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format_quote Originally Posted by Mr. Baldy

well see how far this make poverty history campaign goes, and well see if anything changes in the next 10 years, do you even know why africa is so poor?

let me give u a lil history lesson. at the start africa was a wealthy country with an abundance of resources, gold, diamonds, tobacco e.t.c, the western goverments (yes the same goverments that claim they want to help now) went and raped africa taking black slaves who they sed were inferior species. they stlole resources from africa, crippling its economy. later when slavery was abolished racism still lurked, and the emergence of groups such as KKK.

Don't play the race card that easily friend. It has a habit of blowing up in your face. Look, slavery was abhorrent and inhuman, but the West were not the only ones to use it. The Arab states used it earlier (Bilal r.a. being a famous slave). So your logic of calling the West evil for advocating slavery in the past backfires.

now, in the 70's the IMF loaned money to the african nations, pormising low interest rates and long period of time to pay back. a decade later, the IMF shot up interst rates which then crippled the africans even more, and they wanted the money quickly.

And this affects the giving of charity by individuals, how exactly? By your logic, if one government oppresses another country, then citizens of the first country are forbidden to help the oppressed people. That's crazy-talk!

now these governments claim they want to help the african people. let me ask you this would you give the nazis money because they promised they would help the jews?

Eh?

yeah but did u find the arabs being raist even after they converted to islam?

democracy my freind, the government is a reflection of the people

an analogy, the same principle can be applied

format_quote Originally Posted by Mr. Baldy

yeah but did u find the arabs being raist even after they converted to islam?

democracy my freind, the government is a reflection of the people

And people right now want to give charity and aid. What's wrong with that?

format_quote Originally Posted by Nakisai

Than you should know that. it was closed minded poeple who trun the jews away and send them back to their death. and you should know that it has been more musilms in the part of th world dieing every day. and the usa is the only one who trys to help no matter what their reason was


{QUOTE=Mr. Baldy]ive only studied it for 5 yers at a higher level, at skool and privately, i think i know.

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are u trying to tell me that the USA wants to help muslims????????????????????

right ok.

giving charity and aid is fine, if given in a halal way and with halal intentions.

format_quote Originally Posted by Mr. Baldy

are u trying to tell me that the USA wants to help muslims????????????????????

right ok.

giving charity and aid is fine, if given in a halal way and with halal intentions.

Please define 'halal way' and 'halal intentions' to clarify, so that we're all on the same page.

halal way- NOT making a show and dance about it, you should be modest and give as much as you can, you should give so that the right hand does not know what the left hand has given and vice versa.

halal intentions- give for allahs pleasure and mercy, not becaause of peer presure or coz its the cool thing to do.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abubakar

Brothers and Sisters

It would be nice and possibly even correct to act a little less rudely towards each other.

The supposed aim of '8' is to raise consciousness of the plight of the poor in Africa.

This in itself is a good thing, educating people especially about this sort of subject is very important.

If anyone seriously thinks a bunch of multi-millionaires singing and dancing to thousands of intoxicated people is going to do that then you are very optamistic.

We know the answers, cancel all the debt, tear up all the restrictive trade practices and stop chanelling aid through corupt systems.

The last time we had a great, 'we are going to cancell billions of dollars of third world debt' announcement, everyone was happy, we thought at last these ***** have finally started to do something propperly. The result 3 years later less than 1% of the announced debt has been cancelled.

I suggest we come back to this in 6 months and see how many ageing rock stars have had hit albums on the back of this.

Then in 1 year to see if there has actually been any difference for the African poor.

Good points, brother.

format_quote Originally Posted by Mr Baldy

halal way- NOT making a show and dance about it, you should be modest and give as much as you can, you should give so that the right hand does not know what the left hand has given and vice versa.

Okay. But the Western people are notoriously tight (even cheaper than a bunch of Asians in Asda on a Saturday ), so it's sort of necessary evil to give them incentive. I don't agree with making a big song and dance out of it either, and I don't think Muslims should make a big deal out of it, but this is how the West raise awareness. This is just an observation.

halal intentions- give for allahs pleasure and mercy, not becaause of peer presure or coz its the cool thing to do.

Very true.

right, and the way they raise awarness is haram, and anyway, it is haram to give, coz they take fees for handelling and stuff, and islam says 100% of ur zakat/charity must go to the cause.

i must go now, but if u want to discuss this or anything else, my MSN is [email protected] (long time ago)

wa alykum aslaam

format_quote Originally Posted by Mr. Baldy

right, and the way they raise awarness is haram, and anyway, it is haram to give, coz they take fees for handelling and stuff, and islam says 100% of ur zakat/charity must go to the cause.

Of course. What I'm saying is, if (Western) people choose to give charity this way, then can we please let them without pouncing on them? Islam promotes peaceful coexistence, and say what you like about the West's downfalls, Muslims are for the most part allowed to live in peace in the West. I'm not forcing people to donate to this charity if they feel it's dodgy - but if people (not necessarily Muslims) chose to donate, let them. Seriously, the typical Joe West is too miserly otherwise.

.These people have atleast instead of sitting in their chairs or sleeping in their beds are trying to raise money and awareness for people living in poverty.It is moronic to make criticsm of their efforts.its not corruption.its not pornography ,etc.

FINALLY, someone else who understands!
Ok, it is not exactly the most halaal thing to do, but at least they ARE doing something to end poverty! Come on guys (and gals) you gotta give them some respect - at least they are tryin'.

I tend to disagrea aamirsaab, how will this end poverty, or how will this even create awareness? People are already aware but simply ignore. Giving them a free concert might draw lot's of people but they just take the "awareness" part as the price then. To think of it is as a tool to give a sign to the goverments is also quite idealistic. I really doubt any western politician to take a whole lot of people showing up at a free concert as a cerious sign there's something wrong!

Just because some of you people might be against the "concert" which includes dancing/singing it wouldn't hurt to sign up for it. Nobody is forcing anyone to go to the concert. Just by sighning up is a big difference.