Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Jan. 23, 2007
By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
As many as 100,000 French and British citizens have converted to Islam over the last decade, according to a new book by an Israeli historian.
The figures cited by Hebrew University Prof. Raphael Israeli in his upcoming book The Third Islamic Invasion of Europe are representative of the fast-changing face of Europe, which the Islamic history professor says is in danger of becoming "Eurabia" within half a century.
He noted that about 30 million Muslims currently live in Europe, out of a total population of 380 million., adding that with a high Muslim birthrate in Europe, the number of Muslims living in the continent is likely to double within 25 years.
Israeli also cited massive immigration and Turkey's future inclusion in the EU as the primary reasons why the face of Europe will be indelibly changed within a generation.
European concerns over a fast-growing Muslim population is at the center of opposition to Turkey's entry into the EU, he said, as the inclusion of Turkey into the EU will catapult the number of Muslims to 100 million out of a total population of 450 million.
"The sheer weight of demography will produce a situation where no Frenchman or Dutchman could be elected to parliament without the support of the Muslim minority," he said Monday in an interview with The Jerusalem Post.
"Muslims will have a more and more decisive voice in the makeup of European governments."
"With Turkey as a member of the EU, the process will be accelerated, without [Turkey] it will be slower but it will still happen," he added. Turkey has strong relations with Israel.
The historian, who has authored 19 previous books, said that Muslim political power in Europe would directly impact domestic politics, including Europe's immigration policy, with millions of additional Muslims waiting at the door to gain entry to the EU as part of "family reunification" programs.
"Every European with a right mind has every reason to be frightened," Israeli said.
The 50,000 French and 50,000 British who have converted to Islam over the last decade, including many from mixed marriages, did so for personal convictions, romanticized notions of Islam, as well as for business reasons, while others see Islam as the wave of the future at a time when Christianity is on the wane, Israeli said.
He said that Muslims converting to Christianity existed but their numbers were significantly smaller.
Israeli noted that conversions in mixed marriages worked only in one direction since a Muslim woman who marries a Christian is considered an apostate in her community, and faces physical danger.
"It is time one should wake up and realize what is happening in Europe," he concluded.
Israeli's book is due out in London in the coming months.
For years the Jews and the Zionist lobby has been influential within Europe and America and secured help and support for the Israeli state, now they see Muslim becoming politically active within the framework of Islam and engaging in discusisons wiht non-Muslim intellectuals and policy makers and explaining the ideology of Islam and its ruling system the Caliphate. Instead of praising the initiative of Muslims for better community cohesion and harmony via debate and discussion, this author creates more hysteria and fear with comments typical of the BNP and other racist parties.
Its quite ironic that similar things were said about Jews once upon a time no doubt this man has not learnt any lessons from the history of the Jews in Europe in the 1930s.
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100,000 in europe?
wouldnt be suprised if that many in UK alone. seems every masjid i go into isnt complete without at least 1 ginger revert brother and i am assuming there are other non ginger reverts out there as well as us ginger bearded brothers.
also need to remember that there are twice as many revert sisters than brothers in the uk, so for every brother that gets recorded in the masjid there are at least twice as many hiding out in the sisters section or at home.
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OMG,the Islamic Third Army is advancing towards Vienna!!!!!!!!
maybe those converts were actually government agents.
this is really funny ,you know.Europeans in our country ,Bangladesh,are saying more and more minorities should take part in the politics.if they agree with this prof then they will be showing their true faces.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
100,000 in europe?
wouldnt be suprised if that many in UK alone. seems every masjid i go into isnt complete without at least 1 ginger revert brother and i am assuming there are other non ginger reverts out there as well as us ginger bearded brothers.
also need to remember that there are twice as many revert sisters than brothers in the uk, so for every brother that gets recorded in the masjid there are at least twice as many hiding out in the sisters section or at home.
assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
I agree, 100,000 seems to be a very low estimate. We have more then that in Texas and we are always behind the rest of the world.
I would expect the number of Reverts in Europe to be over 10,000,000.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I agree, 100,000 seems to be a very low estimate. We have more then that in Texas and we are always behind the rest of the world.
I would expect the number of Reverts in Europe to be over 10,000,000.
hmm seems a little too many to me. that would mean there would be over 1,000,000 or there abouts in uk out of a uk population of 55,000,000 and we're not 1 out of 55, there arent even that many muslims total in uk.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
hmm seems a little too many to me. that would mean there would be over 1,000,000 or there abouts in uk out of a uk population of 55,000,000 and we're not 1 out of 55, there arent even that many muslims total in uk.
Now it is true that the major of those will be immigrants. But, the UK is making inroads.
France and Spain both have a very large Islamic population. If I recall right France has the fastest rate of reversions in the world.
Statistics show Muslims in France count between about 5 and 6 million, which is about 10 to 12% of the French population. That is the highest percentage of Muslims in a Western European country.
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The signs show, times near. its a blessing from Allah SWT, his mercy that he is calling so many towards his true path. In a time of hysteria, global warfare and widespread corruptions and evils, that sit so smugly inside todays society's.
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alhamdulillah that a lot of people are converting.it's sad to see our brothers and sister not practicing their deen but Allah will replace with them for people who are better than them.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Islam is growing in Europe much faster then here in the US. I would not be surprised if 10,000,000 reverts for all of Europe is not a very low guess.
wonder why it is growing faster in europe than in u.s. - is europe easier to immigrate to?
one of the side effects about 9/11 is that it got a lot of people interested in islam. you always see quite a few books about islam in even in-between-sized towns.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
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That's a VERY HIGH figure....
let me check those christian databases....
Check out France, Spain, Italy and Portugal and you will see the numbers start climbing. It is true up in North West Europe there are not all that many , but when you take all of the European countries, there are a lot.
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I am not convinced by these claims. In general there are only two groups who think Islam is taking over Europe: 1. Those who are scared to death of the thought and want to scare others into doing something, 2. Muslims who want it to happen.
I have some doubts about these dire predictions about this supposed Islamization of Europe. It does not make sense to simple extend the trends from the last 20-30 years, because:
1. Immigration rules are becoming increasingly strict throughout Europe, the number of Muslim immigrants is already declining.
2. There are plenty of Muslims who are as Islamic as I am Christian, namely, not at all. Mosque attendance is dropping for example. It's quite a stretch to claim that all these Muslims that are born in such a secular society will become die-hard Muslims.
3. Muslim birth rates are already dropping for later generations of Muslim immigrants.
Now, unless someone can show me that a great number of former atheist/agnostic/Christian Europeans are converting to Islam, I am not convinced at all.
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kAding
once did the maths, assuming with the non muslims having 2 children be famiy, and the muslims 4 (i know it is not that simple and i know the non muslims have far less than this on average)
from that assumption, i worked out it would take approx 93 years for muslims to become a majority in my city of sheffield and a little longer than that nationally
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format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
wonder why it is growing faster in europe than in u.s. - is europe easier to immigrate to?
one of the side effects about 9/11 is that it got a lot of people interested in islam. you always see quite a few books about islam in even in-between-sized towns.
Interestingly, I always was under the impression Islam was having more success in the United States, since it is already a religious society.
There are so few figures on conversion though, so it's largely guessing really.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk
kAding
once did the maths, assuming with the non muslims having 2 children be famiy, and the muslims 4 (i know it is not that simple and i know the non muslims have far less than this on average)
from that assumption, i worked out it would take approx 93 years for muslims to become a majority in my city of sheffield and a little longer than that nationally
Abu Abdullah
But there is no reason whatsoever to assume Muslims will have (or are having even) so many children. Why do historically Muslims have a higher birth rate? Simple, because most of them come from economically undeveloped countries and regions in which having many kids was the norm. The first generation had a fair amount of kids, though the birth rate dropped steadily for each generation.
Figures from the Dutch National Bureau for Statistics also showed that birth rates for Muslims (and immigrants in general) are only slightly above the national average. Unfortunately the website is down, so I can't show you the graph .
Anyway, this whole 'Muslims are taking over Europe' hype is based on the false assumption that these Muslims live completely isolated from their surroundings. As if immigration legislation, secularization and broader birth rate trends do not apply to them. As if they'll keep reproducing at the same rate as their grandparents did in the countries they came from.
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