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    Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

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    August 22, 2007
    BY TOM HUNDLEY


    CHICAGO TRIBUNE

    COLOGNE, Germany -- Never mind that a local brothel claiming to be
    Europe's largest calls itself the Pasha and sports an ersatz arabesque theme.

    Some residents of this ancient city on the banks of the Rhine see the brothel as a shining example of their tolerance. But what irks them is that some Muslims want to build a mosque, complete with a dome and minarets.

    The residents complain that the minarets would clash with the towering spires of the city's celebrated 13th-Century cathedral. But as the debate heats up, it has revealed a cultural schism that goes much deeper than any disagreement over architectural aesthetics.For Cologne's 120,000 Muslims, most of them of Turkish origin, the $20-million mosque is clearly intended to be more than a house of prayer. It is a symbol of the community's growing sense of pride and confidence, a marker of its determination to take what it sees as its rightful place in German society.

    "After 50 years in this country, it is time for us to move out of the mosques in backrooms and abandoned warehouses and to worship in a real mosque," said Mehmet Yildirim, director of the Turkish-Islamic Union for Religious Affairs, the organization behind the construction of the mosque.

    But Cardinal Joachim Meisner, spiritual leader of the city's Catholics and a close friend of Pope Benedict XVI, has said that the proposed mosque leaves him with an "uneasy feeling."

    Monsignor Rainer Fischer, another Catholic clergyman in the city, said: "The idea of building the mosque has brought up a number of issues that have always been there but were submerged.

    "Now they are out in the open."

    These issues include Germany's fears about the rising tide of Muslim immigration across Europe, frustrations over the failure to integrate

    Germany's 2.7 million Turkish immigrants and gnawing doubts about whether the Turks and other Muslim immigrants truly want to integrate into a Western society.

    With Turkey pressing for membership in the European Union, the debate in Cologne has taken on a greater urgency: If Germany is made uneasy by the presence of 2.7 million Turks in its midst, how would Europe integrate an entire nation of 72 million?

    'An enriching contribution'


    The mosque, which would be one of Europe's largest, has been years in the planning.

    The Turkish-Islamic Union held a competition for its design. Out of more than 100 entries, it chose one submitted by Cologne architect Paul Boehm, son of the renowned church architect and Pritzker Prize-winner Gottfried Boehm.

    Paul Boehm's design blends elements of Ottoman classicism with cutting-edge modernity. The main worship area is enclosed in a large glass-and-concrete dome, which is intended to suggest openness and transparency.

    "We wanted something that was clearly a Cologne mosque, something that would be an enriching contribution to the city," said Yildirim, who noted that money to build the mosque was raised entirely from local donations.

    The new mosque would be built on the site of the Turkish-Islamic Union's current mosque, a converted pharmaceutical factory across the street from a gas station and car wash. The location, in a scruffy immigrant section of the city called Ehrenfeld, is less than 2 miles from Cologne's famous cathedral.

    "The architecture is, in my opinion, fantastic," said Fischer, who is the Catholic Church's representative on Cologne's council of religions. "I see it as a bridge between Christian Europe and the style of the Ottomans."
    Fischer said that his only recommendation would be to scale down the size.

    'A symbol of isolation'


    Other cities in Germany, including Berlin, have seen the construction of major mosques in recent years. No one other than the far-right fringe raised any real objection to the Cologne project -- at least not until Ralph Giordano, a respected German-Jewish writer, warned that the mosque was an example of the so-called creeping Islamization of Europe.

    Given the horrors of Germany's 20th-Century history, the country's politicians and commentators tend to tread carefully in debates that raise questions about religious and ethnic tolerance. But Giordano's comments -- and his credentials as a Holocaust survivor -- seemed to be a green light for others to criticize the proposed mosque.

    "The mosque is not a symbol of integration, it's a symbol of isolation, the symbol of an isolated enclave of Oriental culture," said Joerg Uckermann, deputy mayor of the Ehrenfeld district and a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union.

    "I think the minarets are a sign of sharia" -- Islamic law -- "and I do not want that here. This is a Christian city," Uckermann said, openly expressing what many residents would say only in private.

    The ferocity of the opposition has come as a shock to members of the
    Turkish community. It also angers them.

    "They are saying that this is a Christian nation, and there is no space for any other religion? This is against all the principles of freedom and democracy," said Yildirim.

    Cologne Mayor Fritz Schramma said that while he is sympathetic to the fears of residents who believe the Muslim community has not done enough to integrate, he believes that allowing the community to build a prestigious place of worship "will be a step toward open dialogue and integration."

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    this should wake us Muslims up.....but too bad it wont we will continue to be push-overs!

    ban christianity all over the Muslim world

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
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    But Cardinal Joachim Meisner, spiritual leader of the city's Catholics and a close friend of Pope Benedict XVI, has said that the proposed mosque leaves him with an "uneasy feeling."

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    perhaps an IM ceftriaxone and a 7 day course doxy. will take care of that 'uneasy feeling' for him... such uneasy feelings always need to be reported to the CDC thus I can understand his discomfort... what a joke!
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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    we should all become like saudia towards christianity

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    this should wake us Muslims up.....but too bad it wont we will continue to be push-overs!

    ban christianity all over the Muslim world
    That just about the case any way. It surly wouldn't be much of a change to the current condition.

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    we should all become like saudia towards christianity
    I doubt that would be much of a change either.

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    yes it would be a change, since your an ignorant guy you dont know christianity is allowed in the muslim world, but we shud stop that.

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Cologne Mayor Fritz Schramma said that while he is sympathetic to the fears of residents who believe the Muslim community has not done enough to integrate, he believes that allowing the community to build a prestigious place of worship "will be a step toward open dialogue and integration."
    Now it looks like someone wants to be reasonable.

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    yes it would be a change, since your an ignorant guy you dont know christianity is allowed in the muslim world, but we shud stop that.
    Oh Sami, back to your childish insults.
    I'm fully aware of how Christianity is allowed. If you read again, and quit just making assumptions you will notice I said "It surly wouldn't be much of a change to the current condition".

    I know it isn't baned, just suppressed.

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    i don't know what the germans mean by "integration".
    correct me if i'm wrong, but i think even the children of turkish are not recognized as german citizens, even though they were born in germany!
    ugly.
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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    this should wake us Muslims up.....but too bad it wont we will continue to be push-overs!

    ban christianity all over the Muslim world
    A great majority of Malaysian Muslims are comfortable living together with non-Muslims... I dont think Christianity would be banned in this country.
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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia View Post
    ROFL
    perhaps an IM ceftriaxone and a 7 day course doxy. will take care of that 'uneasy feeling' for him... such uneasy feelings always need to be reported to the CDC thus I can understand his discomfort... what a joke!

    Nice! Very tolerant of you.


    FYI...she is simplying the Cardinal has a sexually transmitted disease.

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti View Post
    Nice! Very tolerant of you.


    FYI...she is simplying the Cardinal has a sexually transmitted disease.
    I like 'simplying', I think you should coin it
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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    we should all become like saudia towards christianity
    Well and succinctly stated sir.

    Sami...wherever you are..just stay there..OK?

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia View Post
    I like 'simplying', I think you should coin it
    Purely a typo. But I like it too. Maybe i should have the core of a molar drilled away more often.

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Ridiculous. They're always saying that Muslims ''aren't doing enough''. They complain that the we're isolating ourselves instead of integrating into society. But when we do, they complain again that we are just trying to ''Islamize'' Europe or wherever! No one's ever satisfied with us!

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

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    Plan stirs concerns about integration
    August 22, 2007
    BY TOM HUNDLEY


    CHICAGO TRIBUNE



    These issues include Germany's fears about the rising tide of Muslim immigration across Europe, frustrations over the failure to integrate


    "I think the minarets are a sign of sharia" -- Islamic law -- "and I do not want that here. This is a Christian city," Uckermann said, openly expressing what many residents would say only in private.

    "They are saying that this is a Christian nation, and there is no space for any other religion? This is against all the principles of freedom and democracy," said Yildirim.

    Source


    Say Goodbye to Europe


    As columnist Mark Steyn points out in his must-read new book, America Alone, "What's the Muslim population of Rotterdam? Forty percent. What's the most popular baby boy's name in Belgium? Mohammed. In Amsterdam? Mohammed. In Malmo, Sweden? Mohammed."

    ISLAM, BY all accounts, is the fastest growing religion in Europe. According to projections by the US federal government's National Intelligence Council, the continent's current Muslim population of 20 million will likely double by 2025.


    Jerusalem Post (Israel daily)


    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/ac...dbye+to+Europe

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Well, for those, who have never been to Cologne in Germany, it looks pretty well unique with its architecture, specially with the huge Cathedral in the city centre.
    Now a mosque with minarets will definetely destroy the charme of this architecture.
    I would like to hear muslims opinions, if christians would like to build a huge catherdral in Mekkah ! Then, where would be again the so-called muslim tolerance, while 'westerners' must swallow everything? Pffffft...
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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan28 View Post
    Say Goodbye to Europe


    As columnist Mark Steyn points out in his must-read new book, America Alone, "What's the Muslim population of Rotterdam? Forty percent. What's the most popular baby boy's name in Belgium? Mohammed. In Amsterdam? Mohammed. In Malmo, Sweden? Mohammed."

    ISLAM, BY all accounts, is the fastest growing religion in Europe. According to projections by the US federal government's National Intelligence Council, the continent's current Muslim population of 20 million will likely double by 2025.


    Jerusalem Post (Israel daily)


    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/jpost/ac...dbye+to+Europe
    hmmm, I think, you have to review your info. I was curious, and I google that from Mohamed in Amsterdam. Here is the result from a netherland Webpage:

    Girls names:

    2007 (1e kwartaal)

    1. Sophie
    2. Lotte
    3. Sanne
    4. Lieke
    5. Emma
    6. Eva
    7. Fleur
    8. Noa
    9. Anna
    10. Julia
    11. Isa
    12. Lisa
    13. Iris
    14. Femke
    15. Britt
    16. Anouk
    17. Roos
    18. Amber
    19. Anne
    20. Maud

    2006

    1. Sophie
    2. Sanne
    3. Lisa
    4. Anna
    5. Julia
    6. Emma
    7. Lieke
    8. Fleur
    9. Lotte
    10. Eva
    11. Iris
    12. Anouk
    13. Anne
    14. Isa
    15. Femke
    16. Noa
    17. Roos
    18. Britt
    19. Amber
    20. Maud

    2005

    1. Sanne
    2. Emma
    3. Anna
    4. Iris
    5. Anouk
    6. Lisa
    7. Eva
    8. Julia
    9. Lotte
    10. Isa
    11. Maud
    12. Sophie
    13. Fleur
    14. Lieke
    15. Anne
    16. Amber
    17. Noa
    18. Roos
    19. Marit
    20. Femke

    2004

    1. Sanne
    2. Lotte
    3. Emma
    4. Anne
    5. Iris
    6. Anna
    7. Julia
    8. Femke
    9. Lisa
    10. Amber
    11. Fleur
    12. Britt
    13. Eva
    14. Isa
    15. Anouk
    16. Noa
    17. Maud
    18. Sophie
    19. Naomi
    20. Floor
    and the boys:

    2007 (1e kwartaal)

    1. Daan
    2. Tim
    3. Sem
    4. Jesse
    5. Ruben
    6. Thijs
    7. Stijn
    8. Lucas
    9. Thomas
    10. Milan
    11. Lars
    12. Sven
    13. Luuk
    14. Bram
    15. Julian
    16. Max
    17. Finn
    18. Niels
    19. Jayden
    20. Jasper

    2006

    1. Sem
    2. Daan
    3. Thomas
    4. Lars
    5. Milan
    6. Tim
    7. Thijs
    8. Jesse
    9. Lucas
    10. Sven
    11. Stijn
    12. Ruben
    13. Bram
    14. Luuk
    15. Max
    16. Finn
    17. Niels
    18. Jan
    19. Nick
    20. Tom

    2005

    1. Daan
    2. Sem
    3. Thomas
    4. Tim
    5. Lucas
    6. Lars
    7. Thijs
    8. Milan
    9. Jesse
    10. Bram
    11. Max
    12. Stijn
    13. Niels
    14. Ruben
    15. Luuk
    16. Sven
    17. Nick
    18. Jasper
    19. Daniël
    20. Tom

    2004

    1. Sem
    2. Daan
    3. Thomas
    4. Tim
    5. Lars
    6. Lucas
    7. Bram
    8. Milan
    9. Max
    10. Jesse
    11. Niels
    12. Thijs
    13. Nick
    14. Stijn
    15. Sam
    16. Luuk
    17. Ruben
    18. Tom
    19. Daniël
    20. Jaspe
    Now where is this Mohamed ?

    For the rest, I didn't even google, because I'm pretty sure, there will also be no Mohamed. And for your 'fastest religion in the world' story, use the search function of this forum and you will find out that this also not so true !

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    Re: Mosque project stirs concerns about the integration of Islam in Germany



    Is Germany a Christian country then?

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