Praying in trousers

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

I know I have asked this before, but I did not get a practical response about it. It's about a hadith which says that we can't wear trousers when praying unless we have an izar or thobe or something hanging over them. My parents don't want me to start wearing Asian or Arab stuff, and, as I said before, there are a lot of chavvy people around where I live that would at the least shout abuse at me.

I can't keep something in my bag and put it on when I pray, that approach just doesn't work.

I know I have asked similar questions before, but this is simply because problem issues have shrunk down to three things:

Islamic clothes
trimming pubes (people think you are gay if you do that)
Not having a proper Quran teacher (or any Islamic teachers)
People not recognising I that I am a Muslim

If you want to answer these things too, go ahead...

**Kittygyal** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

you can pray anywer as long as it aint dirty

like no drunk manz wet himself on d place or it smells or summin

if that place is clean, then woo hoo, yesh you can pray on it

Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

i know that Akhi but what am trying to say is it okay for women to pray on a pavement where other men are walking but thats ONLY thy best place it was

do me a favour remember me in your Du3'ah, shukran!

walikumasslam warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

**chacha_jalebi** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by Kittygyal

Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

i know that Akhi but what am trying to say is it okay for women to pray on a pavement where other men are walking but thats ONLY thy best place it was

do me a favour remember me in your Du3'ah, shukran!

walikumasslam warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

well, thats impossible

lol

there always has to be anova place or summin

lol come on dats a xtreme Q

but in that situation, you can wait until they go

innit

and when they walk by then woo hoo or jus wait and go home and pray

in islam we are told not to go into extremes

so in that situation jus wait for the people to go, and durin a journey the prayer can be shorted

so short it if ur scared sum1 else mite come, but best is to jus go home and pray in that situation

**Kittygyal** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

well, thats impossible

lol

there always has to be anova place or summin

lol come on dats a xtreme Q

but in that situation, you can wait until they go

innit

and when they walk by then woo hoo or jus wait and go home and pray

in islam we are told not to go into extremes

so in that situation jus wait for the people to go, and durin a journey the prayer can be shorted

so short it if ur scared sum1 else mite come, but best is to jus go home and pray in that situation

Assalmualikum warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

well say on Motor way you park aside lol some where like that && other places are dirty && mucky so you ONLY had a pavement there && you never knew people were gonna come so once you go down to Sujood out of no were a man pops out freaky eh

but...but i know salah can be read at home but if you miss it you can do Qathza but why break salah when you initianally never knew someone was going to walk

grr Allah Hu A3lim!, am crashing Fishy Akhi's thread best of all if i step back inshallah sowiee Akhi

do me a favour remember me in your Du3'ah, shukran!

walikumasslam warhmathullahi warbarakathuhu

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

Even if you have regular trousers on, when you prostrate they pull foreward and press on your butt, revealling the shape. They are just as tight, perhaps tighter than, jeans when this happens.

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

I'm also not allowed to pray in public places. And it would probably endanger my saftey to anyway. I used to think that most people were tolerant and would just be interested in what you are doing. But now I realised that that is not true.

**chacha_jalebi** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

I'm also not allowed to pray in public places. And it would probably endanger my saftey to anyway. I used to think that most people were tolerant and would just be interested in what you are doing. But now I realised that that is not true.

yeh bro, so in ur situation, go to a mosque, if its not possible then pray @ home, islam allows you to do this,

islam is simple, its to make us better people, it has the solutions to all our problems! and cover your awrah, wear ur hoody around ur waist, or jumper

**The Ruler** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

But now I realised that that is not true.

depends on what type of people really...i know a non-muslim friend of mine who really respects whenever i speak of prayer and if i miss the basketball club because i go and prau zuhr, she would save a place for me in one of the teams...but there are a few that obviously are like...what on earth are they doing...but yeah...its my religion, its what i do...you cant change it, you got a problem, you need a life, go and get one...you gotta have that attitude. if you are put down or are let down by people, raise your spirits by consoling yourself...it works...yes i know its the first sign of madness, talking to oneself...but i do that often...and it works

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi

yeh bro, so in ur situation, go to a mosque, if its not possible then pray @ home, islam allows you to do this.

I am allowed to pray at home. But I cannot go on trips or anything, since my parents don't want me to pray where other people can see me. They also don't want me to base my day around prayer times, which is what Islam tells us to do.

**The Ruler** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

I am allowed to pray at home. But I cannot go on trips or anything, since my parents don't want me to pray where other people can see me. They also don't want me to base my day around prayer times, which is what Islam tells us to do.

tell them what islam wants you to do...or do they know already

...in this case you can tell them nicely what you have to do and your duties as a muslim and that you have to fulfill them otherwise your life is just pointless

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by +*Glacier*+

depends on what type of people really...i know a non-muslim friend of mine who really respects whenever i speak of prayer and if i miss the basketball club because i go and prau zuhr, she would save a place for me in one of the teams...but there are a few that obviously are like...what on earth are they doing...but yeah...its my religion, its what i do...you cant change it, you got a problem, you need a life, go and get one...you gotta have that attitude. if you are put down or are let down by people, raise your spirits by consoling yourself...it works...yes i know its the first sign of madness, talking to oneself...but i do that often...and it works

I tend to find that all the young people in my area go around in burberry hoodies, sticking their middle fingers up at Muslims as they drive past. If I 'look Muslim', no doubt they will say or do something to me. They are a minority of people, but they are a big enough minority to make me and many other new Muslims scared.

What I mean by public is in the middle of a public place or building, not in a private room.

**The Ruler** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

I tend to find that all the young people in my area go around in burberry hoodies, sticking their middle fingers up at Muslims as they drive past. If I 'look Muslim', no doubt they will say or do something to me. They are a minority of people, but they are a big enough minority to make me and many other new Muslims scared.

no offence but how does a middle finger in the air scary

...i mean its only a middle finger and not a huge monstrous snake with sharp and vicious teeth coming to gobble you up...but yes i do understand the fear...i understand yet it has no rational reason...hatred towards the mslims is expected...i expect hatred from every corner where i live...it is probably like your place where its mostly non-muslims...although i get hatred in sooo many places here, i know we have to stay strong and face these challenges to be able to qualify for our test...and that is what keeps me going...

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by +*Glacier*+

tell them what islam wants you to do...or do they know already

...in this case you can tell them nicely what you have to do and your duties as a muslim and that you have to fulfill them otherwise your life is just pointless

Yes, they already know that I have to pray. And they will let me if it does not interfere with my life. But if I tell them that I will have to be back from York (or some other place) before prayer, they tell me that I cannot arrange my time based on prayers.

**Umar001** · 11-28-2006

Am totally confused, are your parents Muslims?

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

no offence but how does a middle finger in the air scary

...i mean its only a middle finger and not a huge monstrous snake with sharp and vicious teeth coming to gobble you up...

Angry chavs are scary. If I was not inside a car the guy would probably have said 'go home f***in' paki', or something like that. Or even hit me. I read an article in 'Muslim News' which said that an eight-year old was kicked and punched in the face by teenage thugs just because he was a Muslim.

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

Am totally confused, are your parents Muslims?

No, they are atheists. Which means that however much I tell them that I have to pray, it is not going to change their beliefs about it.

**Umar001** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

No, they are atheists. Which means that however much I tell them that I have to pray, it is not going to change their beliefs about it.

Ok well why just not go out much anyway?

I mean your lucky they let you pray at home bro, cos thats where you spend msot of your time so you can do night prayer nad so on.

**The Ruler** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by Fishman

Angry chavs are scary. If I was not inside a car the guy would probably have said 'go home f***in' paki', or something like that. Or even hit me. I read an article in 'Muslim News' which said that an eight-year old was kicked and punched in the face by teenage thugs just because he was a Muslim.

oh right...yeah i read that story too...and i was thinking...cmon a 8 year old

...but yes these things do happen...i'm really running out of ideas...but there is one i can suggest...i may seem stupid but it may work...self defense classes...i mean to be on the safe side...and yes i am serious...no kidding

Originally Posted by ze fish

No, they are atheists. Which means that however much I tell them that I have to pray, it is not going to change their beliefs about it.

never lose hope...you can keep trying...bear in mind that maybe...just maybe one day you might be able to bring a change

**Fishman** · 11-28-2006

Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah

Ok well why just not go out much anyway?

Unfortunately they take me out to places on holiday. Quite often they go to pubs full of alcohol and music, and insist on taking me. At other times they take us on excursions to forts and things, which, whilst not full of haram things, means that I miss most of the daytime prayers.

**Skillganon** · 11-28-2006

Don't worry brother be patient. I know this is quite short, but welcome to the real world.

***love4isl@m*** · 11-28-2006

BrO, just like 2 giv 1 ADVISE:...
pLZ neva eva giv up insha-allah as life is a test &
so plz keep continueing with w@ u can..
And alwayz think positive and hav the right intention,
May allah reward ur efforts and realise ur will 4 islam!!!
Ma3salaama