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    Salaam bro' and sis

    I have my self in a two way struggle between committing myself to soccer or becoming a scholar, In The summer im expected to be at Chelsea but haven't made my mind up. I love Soccer yet when i look at some Sheikh's and memorize the Quran I fall in love with Islam and tell myself I'll pursue becoming a scholar. Likewise when I kick a ball or watch soccer more notably Arsenal i tell myself I'll Pursue Soccer:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    I have no clue what to do, Im lost in my own world, plz help

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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

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    Al Habeshi made a good point.
    it boils down to: would you rather spend your life (however long your career as an athlete would be) kicking a ball around or learning and sharing knowledge? which would be more rewarding? to me, it's no contest.
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    format_quote Originally Posted by Kittygyal View Post
    Akhi/Ukthi you don't have to wear shorts whilst playing soccer, you can wear long pants aswel, && also about 'halal' environement these days everywhere you go theres fitna i.e opposite gender, && also you can't play soccer inside like a house nor a 'hall' because it's too stuffy && you need fresh air. look on the bright side can play soccer in a field but people walk pass aswel so there's no 'halal' place were you can play actually if you think about it.


    If there is no halal way to play soccer, then the logical option would be to not play soccer, right?? It isn't like the fate of the Muslim ummah rests in the hands of this one person becoming a professional soccer player!:rolleyes:

    format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks soccer is border line haram, what do footballers wear? Shorts, do they expose their thighs? Yes, are we meanto expose our tighs? Thats the billion dollar question.
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    Man watching football is so boring
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    ^^^Unbelievable. A brother who shares my thoughts.

    Akhee I advise you to become a scholar, or a student of knowledge if you are not capable of being a scholar. Purify your intention and you will be successful bi idhnillah.

    Shaykh 'Uthaymeen (rahimullah) says:

    "There is no comparison between one who has knowledge and one who does not, just as there is no comparison between the living and the dead, and one who hears and one who is deaf, and one who can see and one who is blind.

    Knowledge is light with which one is guided, and with it removes one from the darkness (of ignorance) to the light (of knowledge, i.e. Islaam).

    With knowledge, Allaah raises the ranks of whom He wishes from His creation:

    {Allaah will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge}, [Soorah al-Mujaadalah, Aayah 11]."

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    i say become a soccer player, because u dont play soccer all ur life, by 30-35 ur done, and u continue to pursue becoming a scholar then, and theres no reason why u cant become smarter over time while being a soccer player, its not like u have NO TIME u will actually have extra time, because all u do is train go play football, then u have spare time, ur job isnt getting in ur way at all, u will have enough time to study ur deen and gain knowledge to use after ur done from ur soccer. secondly, u will make a lot of contacts if u go on to become a footballer, think of how much dawah u can make in that field, many many footballers are now converting to Islam, including top big players, and as u know fans love their players, if they see one becomes a muslim they will say wow let me see this faith of Islam, and they will check it out and who knows maybe they will convert. u can spread knowledge while playing soccer and then continue doing it full time after soccer is done, its a win-win situation, u get both, and u get 2 audiences. become a soccer scholar
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    Seeking knowledge when one is young, is like etching on a stone. - al-Hasan al-Basree

    Mabaahith fee Ahkaam al-Fatwa - Page 28

    Anyone who spends his time studying something inferior, abandoning higher studies of which he is capable, is like someone who sows corn in a field capable of growing wheat, or who plants bushes in a soil which could support palm trees and olives.

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    and as i said, many players in england and europe are becomming muslim, so when a team has muslims player in it like arsenal for instance, the ignorant ppl who think all muslims are terrorists will say heyy i got a muslim in my team, they must be ok, and this will start to change ppls view on muslims that were all terrorists and so on football is the place to make dawah!
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar



    Frank Ribery is a Muslim Revert, thought that was interesting, which players are muslim in Arsenal?

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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    Arsenals muslim players include Robin van Persie (converted after marrying morrocan wife)
    and Abou Diaby, i think
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abu GG View Post
    Man watching football is so boring
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    format_quote Originally Posted by sudais1 View Post
    Salaam bro' and sis

    I have my self in a two way struggle between committing myself to soccer or becoming a scholar, In The summer im expected to be at Chelsea but haven't made my mind up. I love Soccer yet when i look at some Sheikh's and memorize the Quran I fall in love with Islam and tell myself I'll pursue becoming a scholar. Likewise when I kick a ball or watch soccer more notably Arsenal i tell myself I'll Pursue Soccer:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    I have no clue what to do, Im lost in my own world, plz help
    Life has no gaurantees. you may live till 20 or 80. What if you were to meet Allah tomorrow, or even next year. Could you justify your actions?
    I dont think it has to be a case of one or the other. If you can afford it how about studying part time? But never put your deen after your other persuits.
    Why Arsenal? United r the best
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    and as i said, many players in england and europe are becomming muslim, so when a team has muslims player in it like arsenal for instance, the ignorant ppl who think all muslims are terrorists will say heyy i got a muslim in my team, they must be ok, and this will start to change ppls view on muslims that were all terrorists and so on football is the place to make dawah!


    No offense, but the logic doesn't make sense if it is haram for him to be in that environment in the first place...
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    hmm people are inappripriately dressed wherever you go in a non-Muslim country. I really dont think playing with men who wear their shorts above their knees is a problem as long as you dont do so yourself.
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    format_quote Originally Posted by Anonymous Tester View Post


    If there is no halal way to play soccer, then the logical option would be to not play soccer, right?? It isn't like the fate of the Muslim ummah rests in the hands of this one person becoming a professional soccer player!:rolleyes:



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    Definitely do scholar. Just play football on the side. :
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    format_quote Originally Posted by united View Post
    hmm people are inappripriately dressed wherever you go in a non-Muslim country. I really dont think playing with men who wear their shorts above their knees is a problem as long as you dont do so yourself.


    Honestly, how is that a justification? As Muslim we should always be striving to minimise our exposure to indecencies, not seeking them out... There are hundreds of professions out there that don't require a person to work in bad environments... we shouldn't be seeking out useless professions and ignoring the haram in them just because people are badly dressed where ever you go!

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    What is the ruling on professional pursuit of football (soccer)?

    Question:
    What is the ruling on professional pursuit of football (soccer)?.

    Answer:
    Praise be to Allaah.

    The word ihtiraaf (professional pursuit) is defined in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (2/69) as follows:

    Ihtiraaf in Arabic means seeking to earn a living, or seeking a profession in order to earn money. A profession is anything in which a person works and becomes known for. So they say “the profession of So and so is such and such,” meaning his habit and practice, which is synonymous to the words craft and work.

    The fuqaha’ of sharee’ah are in agreement with the linguists on this issue, and the word ihtiraaf (professional pursuit) is used to refer to work and to earning a living.

    Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (2/69).

    It is not permissible for anyone to issue a ruling on playing football – let alone taking it as a profession – without knowing the nature of this game at this time and the atmosphere that surrounds it. In this game ‘awrahs are uncovered, prayers are missed, fitnah and desires are provoked, and there is the possibility of harm and injury, as well as the negligence of acts of worship that is involved.

    Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    Playing football nowadays is accompanied by reprehensible things which mean that playing it should be disallowed. These things may be summed up as follows:


    1 – It is proven to us that play continues during the times of prayer, which results in the players and spectators missing prayers or prayers in congregation, or they delay performing prayers until the time for them is over. Undoubtedly any action that interferes with performance of prayers on time or leads to missing prayers in congregation with no valid shar’i excuse is haraam.

    2 – The nature of this game leads to factionalism, stirring up fitnah and hatred. These results are the opposite of what Islam promotes of tolerance, friendship and brotherhood, and cleaning hearts and souls of hatred, resentment and grudges.

    3 – The game involves physical danger for the players as a result of collisions and injuries. Usually the players do not end the game without some of them falling on the pitch unconscious or with broken arms or legs. Nothing is more indicative of that than the fact that there must always be an ambulance present throughout the game.

    4 – The purpose behind allowing sports is to make people become physically active and to train them for fighting and to ward off chronic disease. But playing football nowadays has no such aim. As well as the things mentioned above, it is now also taking people’s money for false purposes, let alone the danger of physical injury and the generation of hatred in the hearts of players and spectators, and the stirring up of fitnah. It has even gone so far that some spectators attack some players, which could go as far as murder, as happened in a match a few months ago. This alone is sufficient reason to disallow it. And Allaah is the source of strength. End quote.

    Fataawa Ibn Ibraaheem (8/116, 117).

    As for playing football just to strengthen the body and give it energy, or to treat some diseases without falling into any of these haraam things, this is something permissible.


    Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    The basic principle concerning such games and sports is that they are permissible if they serve an innocent purpose, as was referred to by Ibn al-Qayyim in his book al-Faroosiyyah and as was mentioned by Shaykh Taqiy al-Deen Ibn Taymiyah and others. If that is done as training for jihad and attack and retreat, or for physical fitness, or to ward off chronic diseases and strengthen the spirit, then it comes under the heading of permissible things, if the one who does it has a sound intention. In all cases it is essential that there be no harm caused to bodies or minds, and that it does not lead to the grudges and hatred that usually occur between players, and that it does not distract them from things that are more important, and that it does not prevent them from remembrance of Allaah (dhikr) or prayer. End quote.

    Fataawa Ibn Ibraaheem (8/118)

    He also said:

    Playing football in this organized manner, making the players into two factions, whether they are paid or not, should not be done, because it involves preventing remembrance of Allaah (dhikr) and prayer. It may also involve consuming wealth unlawfully and may be accompanied by gambling; it is akin to playing chess in some ways.

    But if one or two people play with a ball and play football in an unorganized fashion, there is nothing wrong with that because it does not involve anything haraam. And Allaah knows best. End quote.

    Fataawa Ibn Ibraaheem (8/119)

    In the answer to question no. 22305 we have explained the conditions for it to be permissible to play football. Among the things we said there was the following:

    The third condition: that it should not take up too much of the player’s time, let alone take up all his time or mean that he becomes known among people for that, or it becomes his job, because then there is the fear that the words of Allaah may be true in his case: “Who took their religion as an amusement and play, and the life of the world deceived them. So this Day We shall forget them” [al-A’raaf 7:51]. End quote.

    Thus it is clear that taking football as a profession as it exists nowadays is haraam, because it includes things that are forbidden in Islam, even if playing football is basically permissible.

    This applies especially if we realize what is involved in taking football as a profession, such as travelling to kaafir countries to play against international teams. It is obvious to everyone what kind of kufr, evil and sin is present in those countries, and it is also well known that the players are exposed to the temptations of women and desires because of their fame, stardom and wealth.

    It should also be noted that settling in kaafir countries is haraam, and it is not permissible except in cases of need, subject to certain conditions which have been explained in question no. 38284.

    And Allaah knows best.

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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    arsenal muslim player: kolo habib toure, abou diaby, and robin van persie.



    anonymouse gender i read the post you got from Islam-qa and quite frankly i dont see how what he says makes it haram or not a good thing.

    if the player knows that he is going to miss a prayer because the game will be going on during the game then he can make his prayer before the match since he knows he will not be able to conduct his prayer during his proper time, and this is perfectly ok which companions themselves did.

    football actually does bring lots of peace, sure there is violent sometimes, but u can get violence out of dawah too and in debates, so does that mean we should stop making dawah and discussing topics such as christianity and so on? offcourse not! for instance here in the uae, uae won the gulf cup, yet the opposing fans have all called in congratulating them etc etc so football does bring peace and a kind atmosphere!

    sure playing football can get u hurt, but so can making the hajj! people get killed and injured during hajj so does that mean we should not do it because of the chance of harm? offcourse not! there are many other things which arent haram that also cause harm, driving a car, thats not haram but u have a better chance of getting killed while driving a car than playing football, so i think this point is really desperate.

    the 4th reason he brings up is fans attack players, this hardly ever happens, its once in a blue moon thing, and yes football is becomming expensive, but fans are not FORCED to go watch it, they can watch it at home at much cheaper prices.

    so either way, the 4 reasons arent very strong since there are many non-haram things that can lead to the exact same thing.
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    Re: Soccer Vs Scholar

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari View Post
    if the player knows that he is going to miss a prayer because the game will be going on during the game then he can make his prayer before the match since he knows he will not be able to conduct his prayer during his proper time, and this is perfectly ok which companions themselves did.


    Are you seriously saying it is permissible for someone to pray the prayer before its time because of a soccer game???ffended:

    Isn't it only permissible at time of extreme need??
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    If you dont already know:
    matches are only 90 minutes. two halves of 45mins each with a 15 minute break in between. Are you telling me that it is not possible to pray any salaah in 15 minutes?
    hatred? or competition. Yeh i hate liverpool fans and go on liverpool-fan killing spreees. the beauty of football is that even though each player has a team that team can be changed. each player may also play on an international level where players from different top clubs play alongside each other.
    Physical danger? More people die in car accidents.
    It is a profession as well as a passion. whats wrong with doing a job you enjoy. actually get paid for doing something you enjoy.
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