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    between a Name/s of Allah and His attribute/s
    Last edited by Ummu Sufyaan; 02-08-2009 at 09:43 AM.
    whats the difference...?

    ...desperate for husnul-khitaam...


    please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.


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    Re: whats the difference...?

    From Shifatullah Al Waaridah Fi Kitab wa Sunnah by syaikh 'Alawi bin Abdul Qaadir As Segaf, Allah's asma'(names) are something which direct to Allah's Dzat(being), characters and action which we call Allahu 'Azza wa Jalla by those, such as yaa Hayiyyul Sittiir, yaa Ghafuurul Waduud.

    Every Asma' are Shifat (Characters and action) while not every Shifat(attributes) could be called as Asma'ul Husna.


    Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.

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    jazakallahu khair. i think i get it.
    but could you post an example of his Sifaat (attribute) also?
    whats the difference...?

    ...desperate for husnul-khitaam...


    please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.


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    Re: whats the difference...?

    Insya Allah I will write it in complete next time and these are the Shifat of Allah, according to Shifatullah Al Waaridah Fil Kitab Wa Sunnah by syaikh 'Alawi bin Abdul Qaadir As Segaf:

    Az Zukhruf (43): 55 Falam ma_ a_safu_nan taqamna_ minhum fa agraqna_hum ajmain

    Az Zukhruf (43):55 So, when they angered Us, We punished them and drowned them every one.

    This is "Asaf," we could pray "Allahumma don't be angry to me, indeed I don't want to make Thee 'asaf.'


    Al A'raf (7):54 Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!

    This is "Istawa", we could pray "Allahumma please protect me, indeed You are mounted at the Throne (Arsy).


    Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.

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    Re: whats the difference...?

    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

    Great Question, uhkti. I am really interested in knowing the answer.

    I dont actually get the answer ahki gave

    Can someone re-explain please

    FiAmaaniAllah
    whats the difference...?


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    Re: whats the difference...?


    The simplest way I could explain it (and I hope someone gives a deeper explanation) is that Allah is His Name, and His Attributes describe the extent of His Capabilities. For example, my name is zanjabeela, and my attributes describe me, those attributes being: Muslimah, woman, student, content, friendly, creative, critical, obsessive, lazy, and paranoid.

    While you may be able refer to Allah by His Attributes, as in "Ya Al Rahman, I seek your everlasting Mercy," you can't really refer to a person by his/her characteristics. As people, (most of) our characteristics are in constant flux...while obviously Allah's is not.

    Don't know how much this helps, but inshaAllah it's one piece of the puzzle.
    whats the difference...?

    Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.

    But at least the wub is back.

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    Re: whats the difference...?

    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

    So you cant mix and match with names and attributes?

    FiAmaaniAllah
    whats the difference...?


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    Re: whats the difference...?

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    AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

    So you cant mix and match with names and attributes?

    FiAmaaniAllah


    umm.. the way i understand is for instant if i think of a school headmaster, i would know by his title what his abilities/powers are. Now, a teacher would not be called a headmaster/mistress because they do not have that authority/power. So the title belongs to the one with the power. In the same way, Allah's attributes are Titles/Names that describe His Power. Each name describes a different attribute of Allah i.e. Ar-Rahmaan - The Compassionate belongs only to Him because He's compassion is unmatched and immeasureable i.e. there is none like Him in thaty respect. But we can't take this title to mean Al-MUntaqim - The Avenger, as that is a totally different attribute, yet like the one before only belongs to Allah SWT. However, the name which our Lord has chosen for Himself as the first is Allah and that describes all His attributes i.e. He who has Godhood and the power to create all entities. That is my personal understanding. May Allah forgive me if I am wrong as all good is from Allah and all bad is from me.

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    source www.salafipublications.com

    Shifatullah Al Waaridah Fil Kitab wa Sunnah
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    Aqidah

    Asmaa was-Sifaat

    General Principles Regarding Allaah's Attributes
    Author: ‘Alawi ibn `Abdil-Qaadir as-Segaf




    The First Principle
    "Affirmation of everything that Allaah affirmed for Himself in His Book, or which His Messenger, sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallaam, affirmed for Him. Without distorting (tahreef), without denial (ta'teel), and without saying how they are (takyeef) and without making any resemblance with the creation (tamtheel)."[1]
    Since Allaah knows better about Himself than anyone else, and His Messenger, sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallaam, knows better than rest of creation about his Lord.


    The Second Principle
    "To deny for Allaah everything which He has denied for Himself in His Book, or which His Messenger denied for Him, whilst believing its fully perfect opposite is confirmed for Allaah, the Most High."[2]
    Since Allaah knows better about Himself than His creation, and His Messenger out of all the people is the one who knows best about His Lord, so denying death for Him includes affirmation of His perfect Life, and denying oppression for Him includes affirmation of His perfect Justice, and denying sleep for Him includes affirmation of His perfect charge/control over everything.


    The Third Principle
    "The attributes of Allaah, the Might and Magnificent, are only to be spoken of in accordance with a text (tawfeeqiyyah). So nothing is affirmed for Him except that which Allaah affirmed for Himself (or which) was affirmed for Him by His Messenger, and nothing is denied for Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, except that which He denied for Himself, was was denied for Him by His Messenger, sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallaam."[3]
    Since there is no one who knows better about Allaah than Allaah, the Most High, (Himself), and there is no one of the creation who knows better about His Creator than Allaah's Messenger, sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallaam.


    The Fourth Principle
    "To halt with regard to vague terms which are not found to be affirmed or denied textually, in wording or meaning, so further explanation is sought. Then if something false is meant by it, then we declare Allaah free of that and reject it, and if something that is true and something that is not to be denied for Allaah, then it is accepted and the correct terminology as found in the text is to be made clear. And one should call for its usage in place of this vague and newly-introduced wording."[4]
    An example of this is the term 'direction.' We halt, neither affirming or denying it, and we ask the one who says it, 'What do you mean by direction?' So if he says, 'I mean a place which contains Him.' Then we say, 'This is something false and Allaah is to be declared free from this, and we reject it.' But if he says, 'That He is unrestrictedly above.' Then we say, 'This is true it is not to be denied for Allaah,' and we accept the meaning from him, and we say, 'However, it is more fitting that you say, 'He is above the heavens,' or 'He is above,' as occurs in the authentic texts.' But as for the term 'direction' then it is vague and a novelty, so it is better to leave it.


    The Fifth Principle
    "Every attribute which is established by an authentic report definitely agrees with sound intellect."[5]


    The Sixth Principle
    "To cut off any hope of reaching the reality of 'how.' As He, the Most High, says:
    And they will never compass anything of His knowledge.[6] [7]


    The Seventh Principle
    "The attributes of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, are affirmed in detail/specifically, whereas denial is done generally."[8]
    So detailed and specific affirmation is, for example, affirming Hearing and Seeing, and the rest of the attributes. As for generalised denial, then like denial of any likeness as in His saying:
    There is nothing like unto Him.[9]


    The Eighth Principle
    "Every name confirmed for Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, is inclusive of an attribute, but the opposite is not the case."[10]
    For example, Allaah's name ar-Rahmaan (the Most Merciful) incorporates the attribute of mercy, al-Kareem (The Munificent) incorporates the attribute of munificence and al-Lateef (the Most Gentle and the All-Perceiving) incorporates the attribute of gentleness and being all-perceiving and so on. However, as for His attributes, (such as) His Will, His Coming, His Ascending-then names are not to be derived from them such as, 'The One who Wills,' 'The Comer,' 'The One who Ascended,' etc.


    The Ninth Principle
    "The attributes of Allaah, the Most High, are perfect, containing no deficiency in any sense at all."[11]


    The Tenth Principle
    "Attributes of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, are dhaatiyyah - those pertaining to His Self, and fi'liyyah - those pertaining to His actions, and there is no limit or end to His actions.
    And Allaah does what He wills."[12] [13]


    The Eleventh Principle
    "The proof from the Book and Sunnah for the establishment of an attribute is either:
    (i) by clearly stating it,
    (ii) or by its being incorporated by the name,
    (iii) or by clear statement of an action or a description proving it."[14]
    Examples of the first are Mercy, Might, Power, His Face, His Hands and His Fingers etc.
    Examples of the second are al-Baseer (The Seeing) which incorporates the attribute of sight, and as-Samee' (The Hearing) which incorporates the attribute of hearing, and so on.
    Examples of the third are (His Saying):
    Ar-Rahmaan rose over the Throne.[15]
    Which proves His having ascended, and (another example is His saying):
    We shall exact retribution from the Mujrimoon.[16]
    Which proves that He exacts retribution, and so on.


    The Twelfth Principle
    "One may seek refuge with Allaah, the Might and Magnificent's, attributes and swear an oath by them."[17]
    From this is his, sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallaam, saying, "I seek refuge of Your Pleasure from Your Wrath, and from Your granting safety from Your punishment .." reported by Muslim (no. 486), and therefore al-Bukhaaree named a chapter heading in the Book of Oaths and Vows, "Chapter: Swearing an Oath by the Might of Allaah and His Attributes and His Words."


    The Thirteenth Principle
    "Speech concerning the attributes is like speech about His Self."[18]
    Since just as His Self is real and does not resemble that of other than Him, then it is characterised by real attributes which also do not resemble the attributes of others, and just as affirming His Self is an affirmation of existence but not of 'how'-then the same is true of the attributes.


    The Fourteenth Principle
    "Speech concerning some of the Attributes is like speech about the rest of them."[19]
    So whoever affirms the attributes of Allaah like Hearing, Seeing and Will, must therefore affirms Allaah's Loving, being Pleased, His Anger and His Hating. Shikhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said, "And whoever differentiates between one attribute and another, despite their being the same with regard to reasons for their being literal or metaphorical-then he is contradicting himself, erroneous in his position, resembling those who believed in a part of the Book and disbelieved in other parts."


    The Fifteenth Principle
    "Whatever is attributed to Allaah and is not something separate from Him, then it is an attribute of His and not something created, and everything that is attributed to Him and is something separate from Him, then it is something created. So not everything which is attributed to Allaah is necessarily an attribute of His."[20]
    Examples of the first are: Allaah's Hearing, Allaah's Seeing, His being Pleased and His Wrath.
    Examples of the second are: The House of Allaah, the She-Camel of Allaah.


    The Sixteenth Principle
    "The attributes of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, and all other matters of 'aqeedah are established by that which is established from Allaah's Messenger, sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallaam, even if it is a single hadeeth, even if it is aahaad."[21]


    The Seventeeth Principle
    "The attributes of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, which are established in the Book and the Sunnah, are known and are explained literally-never metaphorically or figuratively. But as for ;how' they are, then that is unknown."[22] [23]


    The Eighteenth Principle
    "Whatever occurs in the Book or the Sunnah, then it is binding upon every Believer to hold what it entails as his saying and to believe in it, even is he does not understand its meaning."[24]


    The Nineteenth Principle
    "The domain of reports[25] is wider than that of the attributes, and so things related about Him are not necessarily dependant solely upon text, such as 'The Pre-Existing,' that He is a 'thing,' that He 'exists.'"[26]


    The Twentieth Principle
    "No analogy is made regarding the attributes of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent."[27]
    So no analogy is made between His liberality (sakhaa') and His generosity (jood). Nor between His Strength (Jalad) and His Might (Qawwah). Nor His Capability (isti'aanah) and His Power (Qudrah). Nor His Compassion (riqqah) and His Mercy (rahmah) and (ra'fah). Nor His being Aware and His Knowing and so on. Since with regard to the attributes of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, we may not go beyond the principle of halting until a text is found, as has been seen in the third principle.


    The Twenty-First Principle
    "The attributes of Allaah, the Mighty and Magnificent, cannot be enumerated, since every name comprises an attribute as has preceded, and Allaah's names cannot be enumerated since from them are those which Allaah has retained with Himself in the knowledge of the Unseen."


    NOTES
    [1] 'Aqeedatus-Salaf Ashaabul-Hadeeth of as-Saaboonee, p. 4, Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 3/3, 4/182, 5/26, 6/38 and 515.
    [2] Al-'Aqeedatut0Tadmuriyyah, of Ibn Taymiyyah, p. 55, Al-Jawaab Saheeh Liman Baddala Deenal-Maseeh, by him also, 3/139.
    [3] Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 5/26.
    [4] At-Tadmuriyyah, p. 65, Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 5/299, 6/36.
    [5] Mukhtasarus-Sawaa'iq al-Mursalah, 1/141 and 253.
    [6] Soorah Taa haa (20):110.
    [7] Manhaj wa Diraasaat li Aayaatil-Asmaa was-Sifaat, of Muhammad al-Ameen ash-Shanqeetee, p. 26.
    [8] Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 6/37 and 515.
    [9] Soorah Shooraa (42):11.
    [10] Badaa'i'ul-Fawaa'id, 1/162 of Ibnul-Qayyim, Al-Qawaa'idul Muthlaa fee Sifaatillaah wa Asmaa'ihil Husnaa, p. 30 of Ibn 'Uthaymain.
    [11] Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 5/206, Mukhtasarus-Sawaa'iq al-Mursalah, 1/232 and Badaa'i'ul-Fawaa'id, 1/168.
    [12] Soorah Ibraaheem (14):27.
    [13] Al-Qawaa'idul Muthlaa, p. 30.
    [14] Al-Qawaa'idul-Muthlaa, p. 35.
    [15] Soorah Taa Haa (20):5.
    [16] Soorah as-Sajdah (32):22.
    [17] Majmoo'ul-Fatwaawaa, 6/143 and 229, and see Sharhus-Sunnah of al-Baghawee (1/185-187) and some of them differentiate between swearing an oath by an attribute pertaining to an action and one pertaining to His Self, and they say, 'It is not permissible to swear (check?) by an attribute pertaining to an action.'
    [18] Al-Kalaam 'alas-Sifaat of al-Khateeb al-Baghdaadee, p. 20, Al-Hujjah fee Bayaanil-Mahajjah of Qawaamsu-Sunnah (al-Asbahaanee), 1/173, At-Tadmuriyyah (p. 43) and Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 5/330 and 6/355.
    [19] At-Tadmuriyyah, p. 31 and Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 5/212.
    [20] Al-Jawaab as-Saheeh liman-Baddala Deenal-Maseeh,3/145, Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 9/290, Majmoo' Fataawaa wa Rasaa'il ibn 'Utahimain, 1/166.
    [21] Mukhtasarus-Sawaa'iqul-Mursalah, 2/332, 412 and 43.
    [22] For a reply to the doubts and claims of similarity refer to, Ar-Risaalatut-Tadmuriyyah, Munaazaatul-'Aqeedatil-Waasitiyyah, Ar-Risaalatul-Hamawiyyatul-Kubraa and Ar-Risaaltul-Marraakhashiyyah, all of them within Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 3/1-128, 1/160-194, 5/5-121 and 5/133-193, and all of them have also been published separately.
    [23] At-Tadmuriyyah, pp. 43-44, Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 5/36-42, Mukhtasarus-Sawaa'iqul-Mursalah, 1/238 and 2/106 -.
    [24] At-Tadmuriyyah, p. 65, Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa, 5/295 and Daqaa'qut-Tafseer, 5/245.
    [25] I.e., about Allaah and His actions.
    [26] Badaa'I'ul-Fawaa'id if Ibnul-Qayyim, 1/162.
    [27] Sha'nud-Du'aa of al-Khattaabee, p. 111.

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    Re: whats the difference...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah View Post


    That is my personal understanding. May Allah forgive me if I am wrong as all good is from Allah and all bad is from me.

    I should have added that bit to my post earlier. May Allah forgive me if I am wrong; whatever is good is from Allah and whatever bad is all mine. Ameen.

    Thank you for adding that so I could remember it, sis.

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    Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.

    But at least the wub is back.


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