(while an evil torment encompassed Fir`awn's people.) this refers to drowning in the sea, then being transferred from there to Hell, for their souls are exposed to the Fire morning and evening until the Hour begins. When the Day of Resurrection comes, their souls and bodies will be reunited in Hell. Allah says:
(And on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): "Admit Fir`awn's people to the severest torment!'') meaning, more intense pain and greater agony. This Ayah contains one of the major proofs used by the Ahlus-Sunnah to prove that there will be torment in the grave during the period of Al-Barzakh; it is the phrase:
(The Fire, they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon). But the question arises: this Ayah was undoubtedly revealed in Makkah, but they use it as evidence to prove that there will be torment in the grave during the period of Al-Barzakh. Imam Ahmad recorded from `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, that a Jewish woman used to serve her, and whenever `A'ishah did her a favor, the Jewish woman would say, "May Allah save you from the torment of the grave. '' `A'ishah said, "Then the Messenger of Allah came in, and I said, `O Messenger of Allah, will there be any torment in the grave before the Day of Resurrection' He said,
«لَا، مَنْ زَعَمَ ذَلِكَ؟»
(No, who said that) I said, `This Jewish woman, whenever I do her a favor, she says: May Allah save you from the torment of the grave.''' The Messenger of Allah said,
(The Jews are lying, and they tell more lies about Allah. There is no torment except on the Day of Resurrection.) Then as much time passed as Allah willed should pass, then one day he came out at midday, wrapped in his robe with his eyes reddening, calling at the top of his voice:
(The grave is like patches of dark night! O people, if you knew what I know, you would weep much and laugh little. O people, seek refuge with Allah from the torment of the grave, for the torment of the grave is real.)'' This chain of narration is Sahih according to the conditions of Al-Bukhari and Muslim, although they did not record it. It was said, `how can this report be reconciled with the fact that the Ayah was revealed in Makkah and the Ayah indicates that there will be torment during the period of Al-Barzakh' The answer is that the Ayah refers to the souls (of Fir`awn and his people) being exposed to the Fire morning and evening; it does not say that the pain will affect their bodies in the grave. So it may be that this has to do specifically with their souls. With regard to there being any effect on their bodies in Al-Barzakh, and their feeling pain as a result, this is indicated in the Sunnah, in some Hadiths which we will mention below. It was said that this Ayah refers to the punishment of the disbelievers in Al-Barzakh, and that it does not by itself imply that the believer will be punished in the grave for his sins. This is indicated by the Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad from `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, according to which the Messenger of Allah entered upon `A'ishah when a Jewish woman was with her, and she (the Jewish woman) was saying, "I was told that you will be tried in the grave.'' The Messenger of Allah was worried and said:
«إِنَّمَا يُفْتَنُ يَهُود»
(Only the Jews will be tested.) `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, "Several nights passed, then the Messenger of Allah said:
«أَلَا إِنَّكُمْ تُفْتَنُونَ فِي الْقُبُور»
(Verily you will be tested in the graves.)'' `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, "After that, the Messenger of Allah used to seek refuge with Allah from the torment of the grave.'' This was also recorded by Muslim. It could be said that this Ayah indicates that the souls will be punished in Al-Barzakh, but this does not necessarily imply that the bodies in their graves will be affected by that. When Allah revealed something about the torment of the grave to His Prophet , he sought refuge with Allah from that. And Allah knows best. The Hadiths which speak of the torment of the grave are very many. Qatadah said, concerning the Ayah,
[غُدُوّاً وَعَشِيّاً]
(morning and afternoon.): "(This means) every morning and every evening, for as long as this world remains, it will be said to them by way of rebuke and humiliation, O people of Fir`awn, this is your position.'' Ibn Zayd said, "They are there today, being exposed to it morning and evening, until the Hour begins.
(And on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): "Cause Fir`awn's people to enter the severest torment!'') The people of Fir`awn are like foolish camels, stumbling into rocks and trees without thinking.'' Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said, "The Messenger of Allah said:
(When one of you dies, he is shown his place [in Paradise or Hell] morning and evening; if he is one of the people of Paradise, then he is one of the people of Paradise, and if he is one of the people of Hell, then he is one of the people of Hell. It will be said to him, this is your place until Allah resurrects you to go to it on the Day of Resurrection.)'' It was also reported in the Two Sahihs.
(47. And, when they will dispute in the Fire, the weak will say to those who were arrogant: "Verily, we followed you, can you then take from us some portion of the Fire'') (48. Those who were arrogant will say: "We are all (together) in this (Fire)! Verily, Allah has judged between (His) servants!'') (49. And those in the Fire will say to the keepers (angels) of Hell: "Call upon your Lord to lighten for us the torment for a day!'') (50. They will say: "Did there not come to you, your Messengers with (clear) evidences'' They will say: "Yes.'' They will reply: "Then call (as you like)! And the invocation of the disbelievers is nothing but in vain!'')
There are many ahadeeth that confirm the exsistence of torment in the grave. An nawawee said in the "sharh shaheeh muslim": "You should know that Ahlus Sunnah believe in the torment of the grave. The Quran mentions it in many places, such as in the verse: " The fire; they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon." Futhermore, a number of authentic ahaadeth, reported by more than one of the prophets companions, provide further proof of its exsistence. It is not against reason that Allah should return life to a part of the body and torment it. What is accepted by reason and confirmed by Shariah should be accepted and believe in it" (Shaheeh muslim Bisharh an-Nawawee)
There is more i could provide, but this is enough. This is why my beloved brothers and sisters, we should not take are akaal over the nakal. Shaving ones beard and reading the times and guardin instead of the quran and sunnah, leads one to strange conclusions. May Allah guide us all.
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If i was going to meet my new wedded wife on my wedding night, or you would give me news i had a new born son. It would not give me the same satisfaction as sitting in a tent on a cold night thinking of tacticts on how to ambush my enemy. Khalid bin Waleed.
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The muslim enters this world crying and everyone around him smiling. And he dies smiling and everyone around him crying....
I also heard about that 18 year old guy who was unburied after three hours, and let me tell you, I don't want to see it, but I did have a quick peek of it and have seen his face unintentionally on google images but I did not see it clearly but I have seen a picture of his eyes on google images. Creepy!!!
You have no idea how scared I am from that picture, I had a hard time sleeping because of that one quick peek.
May Allah (SWT) protect us from the Torment of The Grave.
I also heard about that 18 year old guy who was unburied after three hours, and let me tell you, I don't want to see it, but I did have a quick peek of it and have seen his face unintentionally on google images but I did not see it clearly but I have seen a picture of his eyes on google images. Creepy!!!
You have no idea how scared I am from that picture, I had a hard time sleeping because of that one quick peek.
May Allah (SWT) protect us from the Torment of The Grave.
Yeh and ameen,
You cant even reject nothin if u've seen the pics, you kno his body was SMOKING when they unburied him, and the was smoke and coming out as if he just got fried, it was on video all over yemen. and the pics were passed around all over to show people its true, and most people completely changed coz that pic is soooo sick, i only looked at it coz my cousin said it was only the dirt
Yeh and ameen,
You cant even reject nothin if u've seen the pics, you kno his body was SMOKING when they unburied him, and the was smoke and coming out as if he just got fried, it was on video all over yemen. and the pics were passed around all over to show people its true, and most people completely changed coz that pic is soooo sick, i only looked at it coz my cousin said it was only the dirt
:eek:
His body was burned? wow that is really scary. This is proof!
From the quick peeks that I have seen I think his face looked flat or something and I hear his hair turned white.
Hearing those descriptions can probably make most people change their bad ways.
I never want to see that pic again even for a second!
^Actualy I do Want To see it , you made me curious
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
I do want to see it , Maybe It Can help My Imaan grow even more
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
Belief in the torments of the grave is part of the Unseen Beliefs we have to do. You cannot see the punishments of the grave as it is not within our realm. It's like when you sleep and have a dream - it is in a different realm.
Belief in the torments of the grave is part of the Unseen Beliefs we have to do. You cannot see the punishments of the grave as it is not within our realm. It's like when you sleep and have a dream - it is in a different realm.
I was Just Goin To say That cause Thats What I Knew Aswell
thats Why I am Curious about the Pics they are talking About
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
Allaahu Aalim what those pictures were, they have been around through email and have been on this forum itself.
But when Islaam teaches us its part of the unseen, we are not supposed to go and believe some next person's story about how they can 'prove' the punishment of the grave. We believe via faith and Imaan, not via physical evidence.
His body was burned? wow that is really scary. This is proof!
From the quick peeks that I have seen I think his face looked flat or something and I hear his hair turned white.
Hearing those descriptions can probably make most people change their bad ways.
I never want to see that pic again even for a second!
yh his hair was white, his body still had smoke floating up, his eyes were out, his nose was to his throat, his mouth...i couldnt tell...and his cheeks were too sick to say.
allahu akbar!
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^Actualy I do Want To see it , you made me curious
lol if u see it you'll lose a week of sleep tho. go ahead and try to find it but i saw it in yemen so i dunno wher to get it.
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Belief in the torments of the grave is part of the Unseen Beliefs we have to do. You cannot see the punishments of the grave as it is not within our realm. It's like when you sleep and have a dream - it is in a different realm.
but sis it was on video, all over the news, photo's, and many many people got it live. how can someone deny this? it was only three hours, 3 hours in the grave, could you think someone human could unbury in 3 hours and start doing sick things a human could never bear to witness? and what about the smoke? on video? how could someone burn someone else and bury them over again and suddenly the parents come to unbury and smoke still comin up? and the white hair? he was 18, and buried with black hair.
Jazakallah khair sis
^ I am not denying that it was the punishment of the grave. Nor do I, for a second, doubt it was. All I am saying is, our faith in such things should not come from 'seeing evidence', rather it should be fixed within our hearts via Imaan.
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^ I am not denying that it wa the punishment of the grave. Nor do I, for a second, doubt it was. All I am saying is, our faith in such things should not come from 'seeing evidence', rather it should be fixed within our hearts via Imaan.
You really want proofs i have pictures of a teenager that was buried and had to be dug up few hours later due to some legal matters and what they pulled out was enough to make anyone's hair stand up.
Ook so i just saw the pic yall were talkin about, an i gotta say its not nearly as bad as the other dude i saw. but it is very sickkkkk.
The dude wit white hair, gray body, wierd face?
yeh well i guess now all i have to do in order to not do no haram (music) is google "subhanallah" in images, whenever i get the urge to listen to somethin bad.
This guy was 18, omani, and unburied after three hours.
the other guy was yemeni, 18, and unburied after three hours.
the yemeni guy is like 50 times worse tho!
Ook so i just saw the pic yall were talkin about, an i gotta say its not nearly as bad as the other dude i saw. but it is very sickkkkk.
The dude wit white hair, gray body, wierd face?
yeh well i guess now all i have to do in order to not do no haram (music) is google "subhanallah" in images, whenever i get the urge to listen to somethin bad.
This guy was 18, omani, and unburied after three hours.
the other guy was yemeni, 18, and unburied after three hours.
the yemeni guy is like 50 times worse tho!
The other day when I was posting in this forum I typed the word "Subhanallah" on google to see if I spelled it right and I went on google images and I got the same picture, but it is just like I said, I only got a quick peek at it. I am really scared of that picture, but wait a second, there are two guys who were found to be punished in the grave? I thought it was just one guy I am so confused.
I don't want to see any of them again, the descriptions of the punishment of the grave enough for me.
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