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Pure
01-26-2006, 11:39 PM
Camels could help cure humans



Does camel urine actually contain medicinal ingredients?

Horse Urine as a Western Cure

The popular estrogen product called PREMARIN is given to postmenopausal women. This PREMARIN is extracted from HORSE URINE. The name stands for PREgnant MARe urIN. Premarin, has become the third most prescribed drug in the world (just behind Tylenol).

Now if horse urine is used in the most mainstream prescriptions of the 21st Century, then I really wonder how camel would fair, considering it faces such drastic hazards and dreadful weather conditions that are by far more challenging than what a horse in a beautiful green barn would face. A camel's immune system is perhaps the toughest of all domestic animals, so it comes as no suprise why scientists conclude that camel antibodies could fight some of today's harsh diseases.

For a further read:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/1702393.stm

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine)... " (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"
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Mainul_Islam
01-27-2006, 08:12 AM
fixed link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1702393.stm
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Nawal89
01-27-2006, 01:22 PM
Some Arabs i knew drank camel urine every morning with their milk. The imam of the place i used to stay in drank it just like that....I wouldnt have the guts to try it.
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Muezzin
01-27-2006, 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Nawal89
Some Arabs i knew drank camel urine every morning with their milk. The imam of the place i used to stay in drank it just like that....I wouldnt have the guts to try it.
I know what you mean. I don't think I've got the bottle for it either.

(get it? Eh? Eh?... ahh, nuts) :p
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afriend
01-27-2006, 05:24 PM
U funny bro.

Thank you and jazaakallah for the info sister.
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hasib
01-28-2006, 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by Pure
Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. [B]So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine)...(Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"
yes i recall this hadith and wondered.. camel urine :? when i read it..

:w:
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Sabilla
04-09-2006, 05:55 PM
:sl:

Islam Questions & Answers
Question Reference Number: 83423

Title: The benefits of drinking camel urine

Home > Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings > Customs and traditions > Medicine and medical treatments >
Question:

I hope that you can provide me with a scientific answer – if such knowledge is available – about the saheeh hadeeth about drinking camel's urine. May Allaah reward you.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671).

With regard to the health benefits of drinking the milk and urine of camels, they are many, and they are well known to the earlier generations of medical science and they have been proven by modern scientific research.

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

The author of al-Qanoon (the Canon) – i.e. the doctor Ibn Seena (Avicenna) – said:

The most beneficial of urine is the urine of Bedouin camels which are called najeeb. End quote.

Zaad al-Ma'aad (4/47, 48).

In the Emirati newspaper al-Ittihaad (issue no. 11172, Sunday 6 Muharram 1427 AH/5 February 2006) it says:

One of the most important things for which camels are raised is their milk, which is efficacious in treating many illnesses, including hepatitis, and the digestive system in general, various types of cancer and other diseases.

In an article by Dr Ahlaam al-'Awadi, which was published in al-Da'wah magazine, issue no. 1938, 25 Safar 1425 AH/15 April 2004 CE, about the diseases which can be treated with camel's milk, as proven by experience, it says that there are many benefits in camel's milk. There follows some of what was said in the article by Dr. Ahlaam:

Camel's urine is efficacious in the treatment of skin diseases such as ringworm, tinea and abscesses, sores that may appear on the body and hair, and dry and wet ulcers. Camel's urine brings the secondary benefits of making the hair lustrous and thick, and removing dandruff from the scalp. Camel's milk is also beneficial in treating hepatitis, even if it has reached an advanced stage where medicine is unable to treat it. End quote.

In the al-Jazeerah al-Sa'oodiyyah newspaper (issue no. 10132, Rabee' al-Awwal 1421 AH) there is a quotation from the book Al-Ibl Asraar wa i'jaaz (The camel: secrets and wonders) by Darmaan ibn 'Abd al-'Azeez Aal Darmaan and Sanad ibn Mutlaq al-Subay'i:

As for camel's urine, the book suggests that it has numerous uses which are beneficial for man. This is indicated by the Prophetic texts and confirmed by modern science … Scientific experiments have proven that camel's urine has a lethal effect on the germs that cause many diseases.

Among the uses of camel's urine, many women use it to wash their hair, to make it longer, and to make it lighter and more lustrous. Camel's urine is also efficacious in the treatment of swelling of the liver and other diseases such as abscesses, sores that appear on the body and toothache, and for washing eyes. End quote.

Prof. Dr. 'Abd al-Fattaah Mahmoud Idrees says: With regard to the benefits of camel's urine in treating disease, Ibn Seena said in his Qanoon: The most beneficial of urine is the urine of the Bedouin camels known as najeeb. Camel's urine is beneficial in treating al-hazaaz, and it was said that al-hazzaz is a pain in the heart caused by anger and so on. Camel's urine, especially the urine of a young she-camel – is used as a cleansing substance to wash wounds and sores, to make the hair grow, to strengthen and thicken it and to prevent it falling out, and it is used to treat diseases of the scalp and dandruff. In a Master's thesis by an engineer in applied chemistry, Muhammad Awhaaj Muhammad, that was submitted to the faculty of applied chemistry in the al-Jazeerah university in Sudan, and approved by the Dean of science and postgraduate studies in the university in November 1998 CE, entitled A Study of the Chemical Composition and Some Medical Uses of the Urine of Arabian Camels , Muhammad Awhaaj says:

Laboratory tests indicate that camel's urine contains high levels of potassium, albuminous proteins, and small amounts of uric acid, sodium and creatine.

In this study, he explained that what prompted him to study the medicinal properties of camel's urine was what he had seen of some tribesmen drinking this urine whenever they suffered digestion problems. He sought the help of some doctors in studying camel's urine. They brought a number of patients and prescribed this urine for them, for a period of two months. Their bodies recovered from what they had been suffering from, which proves the efficacy of camel's urine in treating some diseases of the digestive system.

It also proves that this urine is useful in preventing hair loss. He says:

Camel's urine acts as a slow-acting diuretic, but it does not deplete potassium and other salts as other diuretics do, because camel's urine contains a high level of potassium and proteins. It has also been proven to be effective against some types of bacteria and viruses. It brought about an improvement in the condition of twenty-five patients who used camel's urine for dropsy, without disrupting their potassium levels. Two of them were cured of liver pain, and their liver function was restored to normal levels, as well as the tissue of the liver being improved. One of the medicines used to treat blood clots is a compound called Fibrinoltics which works by changing a substance in the body from its inactive form, Plasminogen, to its active form, Plasmin, in order to dissolve the substance that causes clotting, Fibrin. One of the components of this compound is called Urokinase, which is produced by the kidneys or from the urine, as indicated by the name "uro".

The dean of the Faculty of Medical Science in the Sudanese al-Jazeerah university, Professor Ahmad 'Abd-Allaah Ahmadaani, has discovered a practical way of using camel's urine to treat dropsy and swelling in the liver. Its success has been proven in treating those who are affected by these diseases. He said in a seminar organized by the al-Jazeerah University:

The experiment began by giving each patient a daily dose of camel's urine mixed with camel's milk to make it palatable. Fifteen days after the beginning of the experiment, the patients' stomachs grew smaller and went back to their normal size.

He said that he examined the patients' livers with ultrasound before the study began, and he found out that the livers of fifteen out of the twenty-five were in a cirrhotic state, and some of them had developed cirrhosis of the liver as the result of bilharzia. All of the patients responded to treatment with camel's urine, and some of them continued, by their own choice, to drink a dose of camel's urine every day for a further two months. At the end of that time, they were all found to have been cured of cirrhosis of the liver. He said: Camel's urine contains a large amount of potassium, as well as albumen and magnesium, because the camel only drinks four times during the summer and once during the winter, which makes it retain water in its body so as to preserve the sodium, and the sodium causes it not to urinate a great deal, because it keeps the water in its body.

He explained that dropsy results from a deficiency of albumen or potassium, and the urine of camels in rich in both of these.

He suggested that the best type of camels for using the urine as a remedy are young camels.

Dr. Ahlaam al-'Awadi, a specialist in microbiology in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, supervised some scientific papers that dealt with her discoveries in the usage of camel's urine for medical treatment, such as the papers by 'Awaatif al-Jadeedi and Manaal al-Qattaan. During her supervision of the paper by Manaal al-Qattaan, she succeeded in confirming the effectiveness of using a preparation made from camel's urine which was the first antibiotic produced in this manner anywhere in the world. Concerning the features of this new product, Dr. Ahlaam said:

It is not costly, and it is easy to manufacture. It can be used to treat skin diseases such as eczema, allergies, sores, burns, acne, nail infections, cancer, hepatitis and dropsy with no harmful side effects.

And she said:

Camel's urine contains a number of healing factors such as antibiotics (bacteria that are present in it, salts and urea). The camel possesses an immune system that is highly equipped to combat funguses, bacteria and viruses, because it contains antibodies. It may also be used to treat blood clots and fibrinolytics may be derived from it, and it may be used to treat dropsy (which is caused by a deficiency in albumen and potassium, as camel's urine is rich in both). Camel's urine may also provide a remedy for abdominal complaints, especially those of the stomach and intestines, as well as asthma and shortness of breath. It caused a noticeable reduction in patients' sugar levels. It is a remedy for low libido, and it aids in bone growth in children and in strengthening the heart muscles. It may be used as a cleansing agent for cleaning wounds and sores, especially the urine of young she-camels. It also helps the hair to grow and become strong and thick, and it helps to prevent hair loss and baldness, and can be used to treat dandruff. Camel's urine may also be used to combat disease by using bacteria extracted from it. It was used to treat a girl who was suffering from an infection behind the ear, that was accompanied by pus weeping from it and painful cracks and sores. It was also used to treat a girl who was unable to extend the fingers of her hands because of the presence of so many cracks and sores, and whose face was almost black with pimples. Dr. Ahlaam said:

Camel's urine may also be used to treat the digestive system and to treat some cases of cancer. She stated that the research that she had undertaken on camel's urine proved that it was effective in destroying micro-organisms such as fungus, yeast and bacteria.

Dr. Rahmah al-'Ulyaani, who is also from Saudi Arabia, carried out tests on rabbits infected with bacteria in the colon. She treated each group of rabbits with a different kind of medicine, including camel's urine. There was a noticeable regression in the rabbits that were treated with other medicines, except for camel's urine, which brought about a clear improvement.

Majallat al-Jundi al-Muslim, issue no. 118, 20 Dhu'l-Qa'dah 1425 AH; 1 January 2005 CE.

Allaah calls upon us to ponder the creation of the camel, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?"

[al-Ghaashiyah 88:17]

This pondering is not limited to the outward form of the camel, or even to the inner workings of its body, rather it also includes that which we have discussed here, which is the benefits of the urine and milk of the camel. Modern scientific research is still discovering for us many of the wonders of this creature.

And Allaah knows best.

:w:
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Al-Mu'min
04-10-2006, 10:16 PM
I prefer a coke.
But if you ask me it's a miracle someone who lived 1400 yrs. ago knew this.
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Muslim Knight
04-11-2006, 02:19 AM
But I thought urine is najis and therefore haraam?
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shudnt_have
04-11-2006, 04:44 AM
^^^ that's what I thought as well..if our wudu is invalied..with the presence of our urine in our buttocks area..then hw is it justified if we purposely drink Urine? astakfiruallah

ALLAHu alim.
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Snowflake
04-11-2006, 08:14 AM
I can't get my head round it either. But then again we can eat camel but not humans. So maybe camel urine is halal. The fact that camels are herbivores may have something to do it too. God knows. :?
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Mawaddah
04-12-2006, 10:15 PM
Well obviously camel urine is an exception then isn't it? Because the hadeeth obviously states that the Prophet advised the people to drink it :sister:
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lolwatever
04-13-2006, 06:11 AM
Yes that's true, Camel urine would be an exception, and it is amazing... let alone such prediction being a miracle, it's just near impossible for anyone who is not a genuine prophet (or anyoen who doesnt hav any imperical evidence) to go out and make such prediction, people would just label me as insane if i went out and said that a few hundred years ago without any proof...

point is, when u look at this and the other views that islam confirmed and affirmed way before anything of the sort was discovered, you just think 'SubhaanAllah'!

and really, when u look at this and consider how Islam has been correct in every case, and that science was not always correct in every assumption it made, it adds further proof that we should use Islam to prove science and not visa versa!

and all this gives us more reason to admire the companions who had pure Iman, unlike many of us silly Muslims nowadays who get swayed with the tiniest little rumour, and when we hear that the rumour about Islam was false we think "ohhh cool, so science does agree with Islam"

salam
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Malaikah
04-20-2006, 11:33 AM
:sl:

interesting lolwatever.. i think this is one of those cases where i will marvel from a distance.. a LONG distance..
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Muezzin
04-20-2006, 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by cheese
:sl:

interesting lolwatever.. i think this is one of those cases where i will marvel from a distance.. a LONG distance..
Just be careful when they lift their legs. It's like a burst fire hydrant.
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hinda
04-20-2006, 06:58 PM
if the prophet (pbuh) said its a cure, then i trust him completely and even my cousin tried it it once, and said it really helped him.
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Snowflake
04-20-2006, 10:55 PM
I think it's an acquired taste.... a bit like caviar. Still if I was lost in a desert, dying of dehydration and a camel came along... I'd jump on him and make him run to civilisation.. if that fails *gulp* It'd have to be "Cheers mate!" :offended:
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Pure
04-21-2006, 05:28 AM
lol its weird but amazing at the same time

reminds of the World wars when the western soldiers would put cloths of their urine in their mouths to protect themselves from the effects of the gases.
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Snowflake
04-21-2006, 01:27 PM
^:giggling:

I think when it comes to survival there wouldn't be much choice but to do the unthinkable :offended:
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IbnAbdulHakim
04-21-2006, 01:29 PM
well lets just hope none of us ever need this cure :rollseyes
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Sister_6038
04-21-2006, 01:30 PM
well when it comes down to it im sure many would drink it....i mean is there anyone who wouldnt?
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Snowflake
04-21-2006, 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Hatshepsut
well when it comes down to it im sure many would drink it....i mean is there anyone who wouldnt?
If anyone has seen the movie 'Alive' they'd know just what is possible in order to survive. I think most would do it.

Originally Posted by Abd'Majid
well lets just hope none of us ever need this cure :rollseyes
A big AMEEN!
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HeiGou
04-21-2006, 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by Muslimah_Sis
I think it's an acquired taste.... a bit like caviar. Still if I was lost in a desert, dying of dehydration and a camel came along... I'd jump on him and make him run to civilisation.. if that fails *gulp* It'd have to be "Cheers mate!" :offended:
Really? I think I would attempt to bleed the camel and drink its blood first. But that is just me. And Muslim dietry laws don't apply to me after all. The Massai are supposed to live on a diet of cow's milk and cow's blood. I think that if I didn't take too much (a) the camel wouldn't mind and so not stomp all over me and (b) I might make it to civilisation.
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- Qatada -
04-21-2006, 04:13 PM
:salamext:

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:


“Allaah has sent down the disease and the cure, and He has made for every disease a cure. So treat sickness, but do not treat it with anything haraam.” (Abu Dawud)


“Allaah did not put your healing in that which He has forbidden to you.” (sahih Bukhari)



...the Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine)... " (Sahih Bukhari)



‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr used to write down whatever he heard from God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings. Some people said to him: ‘You are writing down every-thing coming from the mouth of God’s Messenger. The Messenger is a human being. There are times when he is angered and times when he is pleased.’ ‘Abdullah referred the matter to God’s Messenger, who answered him, pointing to his mouth: Write down, for, I swear by Him in Whose hand is my life, nothing comes out from this except truth.

[Abu Dawud, “‘Ilm,” 3; I. Hanbal, 2.162; Darimi, “Muqaddima,” 43.]


"He (Muhammad) does not speak from whim. It is nothing but Revelation revealed." (53:3-4)

"Say: 'If you love Allah, then follow me (Muhammad) and Allah will love you and forgive you for your wrong actions," (3:31)

"Whatever the Messenger gives you you should accept, and whatever he forbids you you should forgo," (59:7)


"No, by your Lord, they are not believers until they make you their judge in the disputes that break out between them, and then find no resistance within themselves to what you (Muhammad) decide and submit themselves completely," (4:64)



I want you guys to think about them ayah and ahadith seriosly and deeply insha'Allaah..



:wasalamex
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- Qatada -
04-21-2006, 04:22 PM
:salamext:


I seriosly cant believe you guyz. Just imagine if Rasool Allaah sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam was here right now - would you actually say 'no, eww' infront of our beloved Prophet's face?

If we really believe that what Rasool Allaah said is pure revelation, why can't we accept this? Don't we want to go jannah?


The response of the believers, when they are invited to Allah and His Messenger that he may judge between them, is only to say: We hear and we obey; and these it is that are the successful. (24:51)


:wasalamex
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Islamicboy
04-21-2006, 04:26 PM
I accept all the hadeeths i dont know why someone would say they are muslim yet reject what prophet muhammed S.A.W said or disagree with it.
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HeiGou
04-21-2006, 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Islamicboy
I accept all the hadeeths i dont know why someone would say they are muslim yet reject what prophet muhammed S.A.W said or disagree with it.
I am sorry but I do not understand how you can accept all hadith. Do you mean all those classified as Sahih? Surely they are not divine in the same sense the Quran is? Surely you have an obligation to think carefully about how trustworthy any particular one is - and seek professional, educated, pious opinion on that subject - not just accept them all blindly?

Or am i wrong? I thought Bukhari rejected thousands of hadith.

Now admittedly this has nothing to do with the thread subject, so let's see if I can make a tie-in and obey Forum rules.....Hmmm, does anyone here drink camel urine on a regular basis as a prophylatic? Perhaps it was specifically for the illness that those specific men had?
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united
04-21-2006, 06:35 PM
it is said in a hadith that a time will come when people will make haram what is halal, and make halal what is haram.
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united
04-21-2006, 06:38 PM
and if you think about it, whatever thae prophwt (saw) recommended, is sunnah.
so please refrain from speaking against what the prophet (saw) said.
after all we are mere sinners, and the prophet (saw) was the best of mankind. who should know better?
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Pure
04-21-2006, 08:14 PM
If it ever came to survival, you may have no choice but to drink the camel's urine, lol.

The reason why the blood that is “poured forth” is forbidden to us is because of the information that has become well known and well established nowadays among the doctors and those who carry out medical tests and study microscopic creatures, which is that blood is considered to be the optimum environment for the growth of germs. So if a person drinks blood it is as if he has drunk a “farm” for growing germs, in which the germs can multiply and grow, producing lethal poisons which, as is well known, have extremely harmful effects which result in germs invading the human body resulting in the person contracting contagious and lethal diseases.

After hundreds of scientific experiments and huge advancements in modern science, carrying out blood tests and precise scientific research in this field, it has become indisputably clear to all those who are concerned with human health of all nationalities and specialties that the great harm done to health by eating blood or cooking it and using it all boil down to the fact that drinking blood is ingesting a lethal poison. This is clear from the following scientific facts:

Major harm may result from this small amount of blood protein mixed with very harmful and poisonous elements, which means that ingesting it poses a great risk and puts a person in danger. Foremost among these dangers is the poisonous gas with which blood is filled, namely carbon dioxide which flows in venous blood from all parts of the body.

Because the one who drinks blood takes it from the animal when it is full of carbon dioxide, which is a gas that kills by asphyxiation. When a person dies of asphyxiation, it is because of the accumulation of this gas in his blood, the lethal effects of which result in death.

So it is obvious that repeatedly drinking blood which is filled with carbon dioxide, on the part of one who is accustomed to this practice, will lead to harmful results depending on the extent to which this gas is present in the animal’s blood and the extent to which the body of the drinker is susceptible to it.
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Islamicboy
04-21-2006, 09:02 PM
HeiGou are you muslim????
Anyways yes i would drink camel urine
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IbnAbdulHakim
04-21-2006, 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
:salamext:






I want you guys to think about them ayah and ahadith seriosly and deeply insha'Allaah..



:wasalamex

this is enuff, if needed i will defo drink the urine since its recommended by the prophet saws. :)

:sl:

fi-sab and his amazing posts, mashAllah brilliant bro :)
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NJUSA
04-29-2006, 01:01 AM
Like my relationship with black seed oil (eww...) the decision on whether or not to drink urine of any creature would greatly depend on how sick I was, and how badly I wanted to be well.
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Syed Nizam
04-29-2006, 04:56 PM
Assalamualaikum to all my muslim brothers & sisters, greetings to my non-muslim friends.

What is all of this argument about taking camel urine as medicine about? Why must some of us react so violently towards the notion of taking camel urine as medicine? Have it crossed to our mind that we have done a very much gross injustice on our part by judging the normal practise of people in the past with our own sets of standards based on the current norms? Haven't all of us have ever heard that in times of contigency of Darurah, we are allowed to try any other alternative method. Imâm al-Shâfi`î considered the Prophetic prescription of camel urine a life-and-death exception that has the same status as the dispensation for eating carrion meat in case of extreme necessity (and any filthy substance for medication other than intoxicants). Even in the modern day medicine, the medicine is still presribed if the goods it brings overweigh the side effects of it.

So, why the fuss? Why the double standard?

“Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?”
[al-Ghaashiyah 88:17]

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Camels could help cure humans
The benefits of drinking camel urine - Q&A
Library- Islam Q&A

Salon Health & Body | Looking out for No. 1
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Syed Nizam
04-29-2006, 05:00 PM
oopps, i forgot to mentioned that the particular hadith mentioned that the milk to be drink with a certain portion of urine...., exectly just like modern medicine has done.
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Pure
05-02-2006, 07:18 PM
Subhannallah

Thanks for sharing!
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family
05-02-2006, 08:04 PM
wow
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ishkabab
06-22-2006, 12:47 AM
Asslamu Alaikum
ok ok im sorry but i had to ask this question to a trustful person:
http://www.shariahboard.org/
Question 10109
I would like to know if this is true..ive heard from some people that Camel Urine Cures Humans....and people also say that the Prophet saw. has said so him self...is this true..and read this also..Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine)... " (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)" [United States]

Answer :
The events of “Aukal” and “Oraina” indicate that usage of medicines made out ‘haraam’ items, to be permissible. But, according to the Hanafis and the Shafais, the urine of the animals we eat, is considered as defiled and unclean. In this regard the details are that “Tadawi-bil-Haraam” is permitted in a state of pain and suffering, that without using it, the life cannot be saved, or else if there is fear of loss of life, property or honour. Further, if an expert doctor or a Muslim physician says that it is not possible to save the life unless it is used, then in such a case it is correct. But if there is no danger to life and if it is to be used as a treatment to cure the disease, then a few Islamic jurists have given total permission, while there are other jurists, who outrightly deny permission. This is the position of the Hanafis and Shafais. However, Abu Yusuf (RA) holds that if an expert Doctor or Hakeem says without this it is not possible to cure the disease, then in such a case, “Tadawi-bil-Haraam” is correct. The explanation to the event of “Aukal” and “Oriana” is that the Holy Prophet (SAWS) was informed through a “wahi”(revelation) that their cure was through the use of the camel’s urine. Therefore, the Prophet (SAWS) gave them permission to use camel’s urine, as they were in terrible pain and suffering, and this permissible for those who were suffering. Perhaps, the Prophet (SAWS) did not give any express permission to drink camel’s urine, but only to use it externally.

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) Knows Best


Mufti Ghulam Samdani Qasmi


hope this enlightens u guys...:)
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Hashim_507
06-22-2006, 01:00 AM
Maybe camel urine could cure aids/h.i.v, prophet Mohamed (P.H.U.H) hadith is very strong and anything is possible.
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syilla
06-22-2006, 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by Islamicboy
HeiGou are you muslim????
Anyways yes i would drink camel urine
i don't think he would like to share with us...

even horse urine is to be good for you rite?
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shudnt_have
06-22-2006, 07:37 AM
cant we say same thing for the naroctics found in medicines? where it becomes halal b/c of the same reasons if it is urgently and highly needed
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SirZubair
06-22-2006, 10:22 AM
* Glug glug glug...*
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- Qatada -
06-22-2006, 10:49 AM
:salamext:


I seriosly don't know why some people may have something against it, because if something is made permissible for us, then theres nothing wrong with having that insha'Allaah, and if something is made haraam for us - we should avoid it as much as possible insha'Allaah. It's that simple.


:wasalamex
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akulion
09-13-2006, 09:36 PM
and please let us not forget that in the past the substitute for such medicines were not available since there were no chemical factories

so herbal / natural medicine was practiced by ALL people christians, jews, athiests, muslims and everyone else
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Curaezipirid
09-14-2006, 01:47 PM
Alaikumassalam,

This may not be an expression that is acceptible in every Muslim Madhab, but it is readily an formidable external aspect of Australian Aboriginal culture that not many Aborigines give up when entering the Ummah of Islam:

it is that ever animal within which a Human Soul can abide for a time as a form of accepting a small portion of the total fire that is necessary in Allah, can produce substances that are health providing,

in fact that whole of the "bio-dynamic" farming philosophy is based entirely within such comprehension.

For myself as an Australian to eat the meat of a Kangaroo, when such aligns with the location of my birth and also my ancestry; is a form of being forced to accept my self, and that I may need to accept of the fire in the future, but that aspect that is causal to my having manifested too much within a herd animal pattern of behaviour.

So, within such context, I wonder what it is like drinking camel urine? Would it make me think "oops I had temporarily forgotten that hump on my back! better go and clean the toilet!" ???

Mu'asalam
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ishkabab
09-17-2006, 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by ishkabab
Asslamu Alaikum
ok ok im sorry but i had to ask this question to a trustful person:
http://www.shariahboard.org/
Question 10109
I would like to know if this is true..ive heard from some people that Camel Urine Cures Humans....and people also say that the Prophet saw. has said so him self...is this true..and read this also..Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine)... " (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)" [United States]

Answer :
The events of “Aukal” and “Oraina” indicate that usage of medicines made out ‘haraam’ items, to be permissible. But, according to the Hanafis and the Shafais, the urine of the animals we eat, is considered as defiled and unclean. In this regard the details are that “Tadawi-bil-Haraam” is permitted in a state of pain and suffering, that without using it, the life cannot be saved, or else if there is fear of loss of life, property or honour. Further, if an expert doctor or a Muslim physician says that it is not possible to save the life unless it is used, then in such a case it is correct. But if there is no danger to life and if it is to be used as a treatment to cure the disease, then a few Islamic jurists have given total permission, while there are other jurists, who outrightly deny permission. This is the position of the Hanafis and Shafais. However, Abu Yusuf (RA) holds that if an expert Doctor or Hakeem says without this it is not possible to cure the disease, then in such a case, “Tadawi-bil-Haraam” is correct. The explanation to the event of “Aukal” and “Oriana” is that the Holy Prophet (SAWS) was informed through a “wahi”(revelation) that their cure was through the use of the camel’s urine. Therefore, the Prophet (SAWS) gave them permission to use camel’s urine, as they were in terrible pain and suffering, and this permissible for those who were suffering. Perhaps, the Prophet (SAWS) did not give any express permission to drink camel’s urine, but only to use it externally.

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) Knows Best


Mufti Ghulam Samdani Qasmi


hope this enlightens u guys...:)
Any Questions??
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Muslimgirl01
09-17-2006, 08:43 PM
Im confused!!! Isnt animal urine is najis?
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IbnAbdulHakim
09-17-2006, 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Muslimgirl01
Im confused!!! Isnt animal urine is najis?
apparrantly accordin to the clear clear clear hadith its good 4 u... im simply gessin it dont break ur wudhu.

The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671).

hmm naa i gess it aint najis... I GUESS !!

:salamext:
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Littleozzybloke
09-18-2006, 12:07 AM
:grumbling YUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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akulion
09-18-2006, 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Muslimgirl01
Im confused!!! Isnt animal urine is najis?
no it is impure, best to my knowledge - however we have to realze that in the old days there were no factories producing chemicals for use in medicine

so people ALL over the world - christians, jews, muslims, whatever belief relied on NATURAL ingredients to make medicines.

This process usually involved mixing different herbs, fluids, etc together to produce a remedy

So this particular reference in the hadith is to that type of medicine "using natural ingedients" to cure people. Such things may be allowed since there were no alternatives, and it was a question of peoples health.

As mentioned earlier in this thread even today we use natural ingredients in many things:
- premarin was metioned (taken from male horses)
- gelatin (from different animals)
- whale fat used in cosmetics
- monosodium glutomate taken from both plants and animal brains

and i am sure there are many others
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ishkabab
09-18-2006, 02:11 AM
So the conclusion my dear brothers and sisters???.....I say no:D
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Tania
09-22-2006, 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Mazed
apparrantly accordin to the clear clear clear hadith its good 4 u... im simply gessin it dont break ur wudhu.




hmm naa i gess it aint najis... I GUESS !!

:salamext:
Why did they killed the camel herder? His camels helped them to cure their illness.I could not understand who was executed also. :-[
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- Qatada -
09-22-2006, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by Tania
Why did they killed the camel herder? His camels helped them to cure their illness.I could not understand who was executed also. :-[

You can refer to this post insha'Allaah for a better understanding:

http://www.islamicboard.com/483264-post4.html



Peace.
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Tania
09-22-2006, 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah
You can refer to this post insha'Allaah for a better understanding:

http://www.islamicboard.com/483264-post4.html



Peace.
Thank you, i just finished to read , they got the punishment at well.
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Abdelraheem
08-18-2007, 06:38 PM
salam alaykum

so where do they use this daily? user name-nawal was saying her imam took it daily anyone can name places it is used regularly?

BTW I agree it should be taken with milk to make it palatable otherwise its not easy to down, apparently only 150ml per day for two months can cure many serious liver ailments.

such as hepatitis, cirrhosis, dropsy.
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Isambard
08-20-2007, 07:26 PM
Perhaps its just me, but the article talks about *extracts* of horse urine, not urine itself. Yes there is a difference as one is waste with some chemicals in it while the other is simply chemicals w/o the harmful other stuff.
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Amadeus85
08-20-2007, 07:35 PM
I would have to be seriously ill, to try this medical.
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wilberhum
08-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
I would have to be seriously ill, to try this medical.
Yes, seriously ill! That would be mentally ill. :thumbs_do

Some have posted how bad Coke is. :offended:

I know what my choice of drink would be. :D
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Amadeus85
08-20-2007, 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by wilberhum
Yes, seriously ill! That would be mentally ill. :thumbs_do

Some have posted how bad Coke is. :offended:

I know what my choice of drink would be. :D
:okay:
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- Qatada -
08-20-2007, 07:50 PM
And if this insulting of Allaah's Messenger (peace be upon him) continues, then it'll lead to a ban. :)




Peace.
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Amadeus85
08-20-2007, 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by - Qatada -
And if this insulting of Allaah's Messenger (peace be upon him) continues, then it'll lead to a ban. :)




Peace.
Oops i didnt know that muslim prophet Muhammed also drank that. Seriously.
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- Qatada -
08-20-2007, 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by Aaron85
Oops i didnt know that muslim prophet Muhammed also drank that. Seriously.

Did i say he did? It's a Prophetic narration, therefore if you are to say something about the narration - you are indirectly attacking the Prophet.
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Woodrow
08-20-2007, 08:09 PM
Sometimes us humans have strayed from the gifts mankind was given, because of our own perceptions.

Chemicaly and biologically the urine from nearly all herbivores will be harmless to humans, provided it is from a healthy animal. Unless the animal has a UTI or Kidney infection it should be germ free.

I do admit I personally would have some qualms about drinking it, but that is the result of bias, even knowing it would be beneficial.

Thinking back in my younger days, I can not even count how often I drank crystal clear water from a mountain stream, without giving any thought that deer and other critters have probably done their best to replenish the water supply in the same stream. I lived and never got sick.

Perhaps we allow our concept of civilization to sometimes interfere with what is good.
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Isambard
08-20-2007, 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
Sometimes us humans have strayed from the gifts mankind was given, because of our own perceptions.

Chemicaly and biologically the urine from nearly all herbivores will be harmless to humans, provided it is from a healthy animal. Unless the animal has a UTI or Kidney infection it should be germ free.

I do admit I personally would have some qualms about drinking it, but that is the result of bias, even knowing it would be beneficial.

Thinking back in my younger days, I can not even count how often I drank crystal clear water from a mountain stream, without giving any thought that deer and other critters have probably done their best to replenish the water supply in the same stream. I lived and never got sick.

Perhaps we allow our concept of civilization to sometimes interfere with what is good.

Why take the risk though? Better it be refined to avoid nasty parasites or some other illness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5USPtx8IA

This is also a good reason to avoid eating pork lol
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united
08-20-2007, 08:23 PM
but the thing is that no one drinks it for fun
"yay, lets have a cuppa camel urine" i dont thin8k so...
its for medical purposes and some illnesses may be so bad that it may be worth it
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جوري
08-20-2007, 08:25 PM
I have written this before, not all the medications that we have today are synthesized from chemicals in the laboratories for instance, Insulin is synthesized from Ecoli bacteria, protamine sulfate comes from fish testicles, [(provera) progesterone] AKA Premarin, is made from pregnant mare's (horse) urine, Penicillin, derived from a common kind of mold that grows on bread. Vinca alkaloids derived from the common periwinkle plant. menopausal gonadotropins" (i.e., FSH and LH) are filtered by the kidneys from the blood into the urine. Thus, human menopausal gonadotropin (hMG) is a urinary extract that contains substantial amounts of both FSH and LH-- Since menopausal urine contains a high concentration of hMG, extracts of human urine are the most common source of commercial preparations of hMG that are used to induce ovulation and fertility in women.. A quick google search can confirm all previous so I am not sure what is odd about camel's urine? or why it would be for instance different than using pregnant horse urine or worst than that, that of old women?.. anyone has something smart to say please bring it from a scientific journal not from youtube!
with that said I hope this topic is closed.. I don't know how much longer I can tolerate this level of imbecility..
:w:
peace!
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Hashim_507
08-20-2007, 08:25 PM
I love camel milk its very healthy milk to drink; i never try camel urine. I cant imagine myself drinking camel urine its not normal for me.
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Woodrow
08-20-2007, 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by united
but the thing is that no one drinks it for fun
"yay, lets have a cuppa camel urine" i dont thin8k so...
its for medical purposes and some illnesses may be so bad that it may be worth it
Very good points. If you take a look at what many medicines are made of it could cause a very queasy stomach. They are not taken for fun, they are taken for need. Think of a camel as an organic refinery that is transforming various herbs and mineral into a medicinal product.

If some how the same product could be made by running grass through a man made machine we would have no qualms even if it was the same product.
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NoName55
08-20-2007, 09:42 PM
..... with http://www.islamicboard.com/health-s...re-humans.html





few examples of beneficial poisons:
Atropine is a tropane alkaloid extracted from the deadly nightshade which can kill or save a soldier in battle.

digitalis can kill a healthy human but can save a heart attack victim.

Snake venom can kill or save a person too

arsenic too... there are thousands of toxins that are a boon to mankind (in right hands)

This is no different if the source is camel urine or any other animal product, it all depends on situation and who is prescibing any given substance.....




P.S
Question: how many normal helthy people take atropine, foxglove, deadly nightshade, snake venom and arsenic with their daily breakfast?

answer: about as many as drink camel urine

PPS. Special Thanks to Br. Woodrow for his help over the past 2 days!
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