When Bush, Brown and westerners generally talk about democratically, human rights etc. in the Muslim - what is it that you mean?
Do you actually want democracy in the Muslim world?
In Algeria, Muslims were all ready to try out this new and alien (in the muslim world anyway) system - they went out and they voted like good citizens.
The Islamic parties were the choice of the population and just before they came into power, the army - which western goverments eventually backed - blocked all election results, arrested all political leaders of the winning party, killed many protestors and took power for themselves.
Rather than shun this undemocratic murderous coup, many western governments came to support the actions of the army - is this the type of democracy and human rights you want Muslims to have?
You can chose whom you like as long it serves our interests?
In Palestine, Muslims it seems were once again willing to give YOUR system of goverment a chance - but once again you dont like who they chose and hence economic sanctions, imposed starvation, and political isolation were what the west ordered for Hamas.
In Chechnya, Muslims -rather naively - thought this democracy lark is worth a go.
They went out, they voted - an islamic goverment came into power and what happens?
First sanctions and backing out of deals by Russia which refused to recognise an Islamic goverment, and then the same political isolation from the rest of the world.
Then they are deemed terrorists, the country is bombed back into the stone age, the democratically elected leader is killed and his body paraded on T.V.
This is what has happened to some of the countries that decided to try this "democracy" business - what about those that havent?
Saudi Arabia, a country run by kings and princes that have robbed the wealth of the land whilst keeping the people under lockdown - not even allowing verbal criticism of itself (something bin laden got thrown out of saudi for) - is a major ally for the leaders of the western world.
Leaders like Bush treat this goverment like a friend and partner.
Uzbekistan - a country run by a madman - is another friend and partner. Only yesterday i was reading a letter from which the U.N obtained from a woman inside an Uzbek prison. She and her family were in prison for showing to much "islamicness" - she wore hijab - and her husband was a member of an islamic political movement. She described the situation of the prisons where women are regularly raped and beaten, sometimes in front of family members - their only crime being for wearing islamic dress.
The male prisoners are treated much the same except sometimes they have to watch a family member being abused in front of them.
Craig Murray - former British ambassador to Uzbekistan - wrote about the various torture methods applied by Islam Karimov's regime - including the technique of boiling Muslim dissidents to death.
I could go on about Uzbekistan, but i wont - i just wondered why this despicable country isnt under sanctions and put under isolation like chechnya was and later palestine - why is Islam Karimov an acceptable friend and partner when Aslan Maskhadov - an elected leader - is not?
Theres various other dictators in the Muslim world supported by the West - i'd be here all day if i went into the crimes of all of them.
So whats it all about? Muslims that have tried democray have been punished -countries that have had dictators placed over them have largely been supported.
When you talk about "human rights" and "democracy" for Muslims - don't you feel just that little bit hypocritical?
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Do you actually want democracy in the Muslim world?
In Algeria, Muslims were all ready to try out this new and alien (in the muslim world anyway) system - they went out and they voted like good citizens.
The Islamic parties were the choice of the population and just before they came into power, the army - which western goverments eventually backed - blocked all election results, arrested all political leaders of the winning party, killed many protestors and took power for themselves.
Rather than shun this undemocratic murderous coup, many western governments came to support the actions of the army - is this the type of democracy and human rights you want Muslims to have?
You can chose whom you like as long it serves our interests?
In Palestine, Muslims it seems were once again willing to give YOUR system of goverment a chance - but once again you dont like who they chose and hence economic sanctions, imposed starvation, and political isolation were what the west ordered for Hamas.
In Chechnya, Muslims -rather naively - thought this democracy lark is worth a go.
They went out, they voted - an islamic goverment came into power and what happens?
First sanctions and backing out of deals by Russia which refused to recognise an Islamic goverment, and then the same political isolation from the rest of the world.
Then they are deemed terrorists, the country is bombed back into the stone age, the democratically elected leader is killed and his body paraded on T.V.
This is what has happened to some of the countries that decided to try this "democracy" business - what about those that havent?
Saudi Arabia, a country run by kings and princes that have robbed the wealth of the land whilst keeping the people under lockdown - not even allowing verbal criticism of itself (something bin laden got thrown out of saudi for) - is a major ally for the leaders of the western world.
Leaders like Bush treat this goverment like a friend and partner.
Uzbekistan - a country run by a madman - is another friend and partner. Only yesterday i was reading a letter from which the U.N obtained from a woman inside an Uzbek prison. She and her family were in prison for showing to much "islamicness" - she wore hijab - and her husband was a member of an islamic political movement. She described the situation of the prisons where women are regularly raped and beaten, sometimes in front of family members - their only crime being for wearing islamic dress.
The male prisoners are treated much the same except sometimes they have to watch a family member being abused in front of them.
Craig Murray - former British ambassador to Uzbekistan - wrote about the various torture methods applied by Islam Karimov's regime - including the technique of boiling Muslim dissidents to death.
I could go on about Uzbekistan, but i wont - i just wondered why this despicable country isnt under sanctions and put under isolation like chechnya was and later palestine - why is Islam Karimov an acceptable friend and partner when Aslan Maskhadov - an elected leader - is not?
Theres various other dictators in the Muslim world supported by the West - i'd be here all day if i went into the crimes of all of them.
So whats it all about? Muslims that have tried democray have been punished -countries that have had dictators placed over them have largely been supported.
When you talk about "human rights" and "democracy" for Muslims - don't you feel just that little bit hypocritical?
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