Google Earth Proves that the Prophet Muhammad (S) is RIGHT!

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Now thats the sort of stuff an agnostic can understand!
Thanks for the link, amazing stuff.

I have often wondered at the skills of the ancients aligning the stones of stonehenge and the pyramids of Egypt being mathmatically perfect.
How they used to combine incredible astronomical calculations with the inability to draw in perspective or putting pictures of ships with blokes 40 feet tall crewing them.

It's this sort of stuff that makes you, under the right circumstances, become a theist!

(Better add an edit here, I for this occassion don not have my Mr Sarcasm hat on, i genuninely find it intriguing)
 
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barney said:
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I have often wondered at the skills of the ancients aligning the stones of stonehenge and the pyramids of Egypt being mathmatically perfect.
How they used to combine incredible astronomical calculations with the inability to draw in perspective or putting pictures of ships with blokes 40 feet tall crewing them.
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Your point would probably be valid if Muhammad SAW was literate.

Sub7anallah.
 
So the letter he wrote in reply to Musaylima the false prophet was written by whom?
 
I'm not sure what letter you're referring to, but if the prophet peace be upon him ever did send a letter to anyone, could it not have been dictated?^o)

And I'm trying to watch the video but it won't load!
 
That's the link I'm using sis. The little circle thing in the middle, the one that shows the video is loading, just keeps turning and turning.. it doesn't start playing.
 
Azy: See the thread about the Prophet (SAW) being literate or not. In one case, it was witnessed that the Prophet(SAW) dictated a letter to a Christian slave who wrote it. This case is no different. There is no evidence of the Prophet(SAW) being able to read or write, heck it was a part of the Quran. People are not stupid, if they saw the Prophet(SAW) saying that he could neither read nor write, and he was, then they would have inquired extensively bout that.
 
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I'm not sure what letter you're referring to, but if the prophet peace be upon him ever did send a letter to anyone, could it not have been dictated?^o)

And I'm trying to watch the video but it won't load!
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And a mathmatical or astrological genius could have dictated the direction of mecca to him too. It's still fairly impressive.
Shakes my unbeleif without a doubt.
 
barney said:
And a mathmatical or astrological genius could have dictated the direction of mecca to him too. It's still fairly impressive.
Shakes my unbeleif without a doubt.
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Barney!
the prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) was uneducated. most Arabs in his time were illiterate.

their knowledge about Mathematics and things like astronomy and caculations nearly equals zero

Don't fool yourself ,, uncover your eyes

I'm reminding you with this verse from Quran:

(And We shall turn their hearts and their eyes away (from guidance), as they refused to believe therein for the first time, and We shall leave them in their trespass to wander blind) alananm-verse110

please don't lose chances
 
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Azy: See the thread about the Prophet (SAW) being literate or not. In one case, it was witnessed that the Prophet(SAW) dictated a letter to a Christian slave who wrote it. This case is no different. There is no evidence of the Prophet(SAW) being able to read or write, heck it was a part of the Quran. People are not stupid, if they saw the Prophet(SAW) saying that he could neither read nor write, and he was, then they would have inquired extensively bout that.
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Volume 3, Book 49, Number 863:

Narrated Al-Bara:

When the Prophet intended to perform 'Umra in the month of Dhul-Qada, the people of Mecca did not let him enter Mecca till he settled the matter with them by promising to stay in it for three days only. When the document of treaty was written, the following was mentioned: 'These are the terms on which Muhammad, Allah's Apostle agreed (to make peace).' They said, "We will not agree to this, for if we believed that you are Allah's Apostle we would not prevent you, but you are Muhammad bin 'Abdullah." The Prophet said, "I am Allah's Apostle and also Muhammad bin 'Abdullah." Then he said to 'Ali, "Rub off (the words) 'Allah's Apostle' ", but 'Ali said, "No, by Allah, I will never rub off your name." So, Allah's Apostle took the document and wrote, 'This is what Muhammad bin 'Abdullah has agreed upon: No arms will be brought into Mecca except in their cases, and nobody from the people of Mecca will be allowed to go with him (i.e. the Prophet ) even if he wished to follow him and he (the Prophet ) will not prevent any of his companions from staying in Mecca if the latter wants to stay.' When the Prophet entered Mecca and the time limit passed, the Meccans went to 'Ali and said, "Tell your Friend (i.e. the Prophet ) to go out, as the period (agreed to) has passed." So, the Prophet went out of Mecca....
 
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Volume 3, Book 49, Number 863:

Narrated Al-Bara:

When the Prophet intended to perform 'Umra in the month of Dhul-Qada, the people of Mecca did not let him enter Mecca till he settled the matter with them by promising to stay in it for three days only. When the document of treaty was written, the following was mentioned: 'These are the terms on which Muhammad, Allah's Apostle agreed (to make peace).' They said, "We will not agree to this, for if we believed that you are Allah's Apostle we would not prevent you, but you are Muhammad bin 'Abdullah." The Prophet said, "I am Allah's Apostle and also Muhammad bin 'Abdullah." Then he said to 'Ali, "Rub off (the words) 'Allah's Apostle' ", but 'Ali said, "No, by Allah, I will never rub off your name." So, Allah's Apostle took the document and wrote, 'This is what Muhammad bin 'Abdullah has agreed upon: No arms will be brought into Mecca except in their cases, and nobody from the people of Mecca will be allowed to go with him (i.e. the Prophet ) even if he wished to follow him and he (the Prophet ) will not prevent any of his companions from staying in Mecca if the latter wants to stay.' When the Prophet entered Mecca and the time limit passed, the Meccans went to 'Ali and said, "Tell your Friend (i.e. the Prophet ) to go out, as the period (agreed to) has passed." So, the Prophet went out of Mecca....
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Assalamualikum
Peace and blessing for all


Let’s see first the meaning of the word unlettered

Not adept at reading and writing; deficient in the knowledge that can be acquired from books.

The adjective unlettered has 2 meanings:

Meaning #1: having little acquaintance with writing (notice the word little)

Meaning #2: lacking general education or knowledge

http://www.answers.com/unlettered&r=67


Unlettered does not mean that one is not able scribble few sentences or read few words
Or is a complete dumb person.

Masha Allah the prophet was very intelligent but he did not have any formal education

Also you must know difference between the holy Quran and Hadiths
The holy Quran is 100% error free, where as many hadiths were rejected because they were found to be unreliable
also any hadith that goes against the holy Quran needs to be rejected and the holy Quran does say the prophet was unlettered

I’m not saying that this hadith is not authentic
(I'm not qualified person or a scholar to do so)

Many times same incidence is reported differently by different narrators

Now let’s analyze the hadith you quote

1 “When the document of treaty was written, the following was mentioned”

The document was already written and it does not say that prophet wrote it

2 " Then he said to 'Ali, "Rub off (the words) 'Allah's Apostle' "
“but 'Ali said, "No, by Allah, I will never rub off your name."


All the terms were already written, only objection was to the words ‘Allah’s Apostle'

There was no need to write any thing only to rub out or cross out the words
‘Allah’s Apostle'



Now it is quite possible the narrator did not see the prophet actually write he may be standing away from him at that time and the holy prophet may have just rubbed out or crossed out the words simply because there was no need to write anything but to the narrator it must have looked like the prophet was writing something.


The evidence that you stated is very poor, out of thousands of hadiths you could only quote one, that to could be explained easily
Surely if the prophet(s) was well read and educated there must be some incidence reported which definitely indicate it?


Also you have failed to quote or may be deliberately choose to ignore the hadith just before it.

The hadiths is

Volume 3, Book 49, Number 862
Narrated Al-Bara bin 'Azib:

When Allah's Apostle concluded a peace treaty with the people of Hudaibiya, Ali bin Abu Talib wrote the document and he mentioned in it, "Muhammad, Allah's Apostle ." The pagans said, "Don't write: 'Muhammad, Allah's Apostle', for if you were an apostle we would not fight with you." Allah's Apostle asked Ali to rub it out, but Ali said, "I will not be the person to rub it out." Allah's Apostle rubbed it out and made peace with them on the condition that the Prophet and his companions would enter Mecca and stay there for three days, and that they would enter with their weapons in cases.

http://tinyurl.com/4b2c9q


Rubbed out!
Rubbed out!
Rubbed out!

Allah knows best
 
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