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jyry
What would you say to people who may ask a question "Is Islam peaceful religion at all?"
Here is something that I have learned about Islam.
Telling a lie is accebtable in Islam, if it protects person himself, keeps peace among family or ecpecially protects Islam. A muslim can tell a lie to another muslim too and a muslim man can tell a lie to his wife ("A tagiya").
Taqiya is a Shi'a concept which isn't a part of mainstream Sunni Islam, and it is prohibited by Allah in the Qur'an and by the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) in the Sunnah.
"O You who believe! Have taqwa (God Consciousness) with Allah, and be among the truthful." (Qur'an Surat al- Tawbah 9:119)
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=430
Even Mohammed himself order to lie in Quran.
No, he never. You'll have to bring proof for that.
When Islam meets with defeat, they can make a a peace ("hudna"). If Islam is winning, there is no place for "hudna". You can find these two cases from Quran. It sounds peculiar, isn't it?
Muslims are permitted to make peace treaties with other nations.
When you read Quran (a bundle of orders), it is said clearly: If it is necessary, Islam must be brought to
everywhere on earth with outrage.
Please prove that by quoting from the Qur'an, thanks. :)
People who defends Islam being a peaceful religion always talks about writings that talk about time of Mecca. In Mecca Mohammed was weak and was gathering others. Mohammed hadn't a chance to take the risk of being violent. He needed a lot of supporters. Who would have supported a violent religion? Well, Islam is not only religion it's also way to rule.
He was told by God to remain patient, and when he entered Medinah for safety for him and his followers - the polytheists continued to pursue them to eradicate them from the face of the earth. So permission was given to fight back.
If you feel that innocent people shouldn't have the right to defend themselves, then i think that's unjust of you.
Time of Mecca was peaceful, but when Mohammed became a leader, laws of Medina became above all! If there is possibility for interpretation in Quran, law of Medina is above the other law. Peaceful verses were overruled by laws of Medina. ("mansukh")
Mecca wasn't peaceful, the polytheist pagans tortured, rape and killed many muslims. Yet the muslims remained patient upon their faith until they found a way to practise their religion freely in Medinah. However, like explained before - the polytheists continued to wage war against them.
Are there any moral laws in Islam at all?
to mention just a few:
Equality
The Prophet said: 'There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for a fair-skinned person over a person with dark skin, nor for a dark-skinned person over a person with fair skin. Whoever is more pious and God-fearing is more deserving of honour.' (Musnad Ahmad)
Sincerity
The Prophet said: 'Actions will be judged according to their intentions.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)
Mercy
The Prophet said: 'Show mercy to those on earth so that He who is in heaven will have mercy on you.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
Gentleness
The Prophet said: 'Whoever is deprived of gentleness is deprived of all good.' (Sahîh Muslim)
Forgiveness
The Prophet said: 'Whoever suffers an injury done to him and forgives (the person responsible), Allah will raise his status to a higher degree and remove one of his sins.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
Virtue
The Prophet said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
Justice
The Prophet said: 'The most virtuous
jihâd is when one speaks a word of truth before an unjust ruler.' (Sunan Abî Dawûd, Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)
Civility
The Prophet said: 'The Muslim does not slander, curse, speak obscenely, or speak rudely.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)
more:
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...-muhammad.html
If other than muslim doesn't approve of Islamic rules (Quran), you have to fight against them. There are no place for friends ("auliya") If you take other than muslim for your "auliya", you become also similar.
In the Qur'an, God mentions;
Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
[Qur'an 60:8-9]
Muslims have to fight to get Islam in power. If there are muslims who tend to be peaceful and moderate, they have to deny Quran and they become like others (than muslims). Only way to act like this is to leave Islam. Otherwise you need to obey Quran, words of Mohammed (or Allah).
Doesn't the US have to fight to get in power? Doesn't any nation need to fight a force which is opposing them?
Muslims who are more peaceful are more peaceful because of Qur'an, yet they stand up for their rights when need be - that's how the muslim should be.
"In west, facade of muslim fundamendalism is religion of peace, because they are waiting more muslim immigrants: increasing number and increasing political strenght. When this happens, be aware!" (Walid Shoevat, former muslim, present christian)
No, muslims just want to live in certain lands because they want to practise their religion freely, while being law abiding citizens.
How peaceful is Islam? Are you only being polite for non-muslims and waiting to get enough strenght to start "Holy War"? Or do you think that Islam is one among other religion and everybody can believe in what ever - you don't mind it?
No, we're not. We believe that people have the right to follow the religion they choose to;
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. [Qur'an 2:256]
If someone would give an order "start Holy War" now, what would you do? Watching beside and seeing what happens? Taking a part of war helping muslim to win a war or non-muslim to end the war?
Living in a non muslim state while having a visa means that we are to live at peace with the people. Killing innocent people is not permitted in Islam, therefore how could people have a 'holy war' within a nation where there is no war zone or leader?
It is actually very interesting. Every laws, rules and orders, that Mohammed said on Medina, are very violent and those laws are above others. When Islam was born it was tied into goverment and it is not kept only as religion but it is also being part of community. Some groups in Islam keep jihad as physical jihad, some keep it only as mental jihad - battle inside person itself.
Ji had is real, but it is done in the right circumstances. Not what you see of innocents being killed, that isn't a part of Islam.
They are lots of muslims who have left Islam, because they kept it as a violent religion that doesn't fit nowadays world.
That's because they never properly understood the religion in the first place, or they followed their desires instead of the true guidance.
I haven't lived among muslims so I have no subjective experiences of Islam. Only knowledge I have learned from several books and so on (including Quran). I haven't study Islam for years like I was studying bible from perspective of Jehovah's witness or studying Christianity from perspective being an christian and so on.
I'm glad you're still open minded and willing to read more about Islam from Muslims :)
here's a good link to start from;
http://islamreligion.com
So, I would like to hear what nowadays muslims think about Islam. Of course this will be a view of modern muslim, who is capable of using internet and so on...
Thanks for asking. :)
Peace.