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Quixotic
1) Not having small pox, due to it being wiped out by vaccines i think is very important in 'spiritual development'
There is wonder and amazement in science; it offers far better explanations of everything, with more depth, beauty and 'spiritual development' than any and all holy books combined.
Science does have a lot to say on what you call things lacking a material body, mathematics, physics, the mind, many things which don’t have a physical existence. Again all of it much more in depth and broad than any holy book offers.
Even the scientific principals of questioning and testing has lead to many gains in society, such as freedom of speech, equality for women, freedom of religion, the right to protest and disagree with government. This questioning has lead to a much higher standard of morals by those who do question, not under the threat of punishment, but purely for the sake of doing the right thing because it is right.
And above everything it offers a way of finding the truth, not just assuming you already know what is true.
The truth is very important to me.
2) So if they are all as accurate as each other, it hesitates they are all wrong as they all disagree. So why choose one over another?
I am well read on the subjects, just not convinced by any of their arguments do due lack of evidence, logic or sound reasoning.
3) I don’t know what you mean? What specifically would you like me to state? I think I have been fairly specific in my statements, and where they are general, they are true for the general case too.
(Note: I say 'spiritual' because it is a very vague statement and I’m not sure what you mean - plus it infers some sort of soul / spirit, for which there is no evidence or reason to believe)
I don't have much time today to dance around all this crap, probably not until the weekend is over and even then I wouldn't wish to labor over a protracted message that seems to convey no meaning!...I skimmed over your post, as it is predictable for the most part...
There is No choosing between science and religion.. the two live harmoniously together and the two are very much twined...
very quickly, to give the anaology of someone who works dilligently, because work is needed, to butter his bread, to foster his family, to construct a purpose for his life to acquire a respected social status in his community.. but if he doesn't take any time to vacation, on the account vacations are wasteful and non-conducive to progress and don't in fact butter bread and are a waste of money.. but if he doesn't address his need to relax, his work will suffer, his family will suffer his body will suffer...
I happen to have have been privilleged as to spend the last 12-13 years of my life doing science, I do know that science doesn't have the answer to
everything!.. I'd refrain on speaking on behalf of the entire scientific community, and just keep that ebullience as far as you are concerned....
I also happen to be a woman and know that it wasn't science that granted me my freedom to vote, or obligation to learn or aspire, but it was/is my religious duty.. so that is another area where I'd refrain from speaking so freely!
as for 'spirituality'... how can I explain that to an android? there is no scientific measure.. anymore than there is a measure for your 'feelers' being hurt or eleated by some of the posts shared here. It is however innate to all of us and will not be denied although you can chanel it to the station of your choosing!
The same way we are born knowing how to cry or suckle without being taught, that it is a measure to express some primal needs and emotions
Enjoy atheism to the fullest.. it is freeing from obligations!
cheers