mathematical miracle verification

[kay106]

Salam,

I have been trying to verify a few mathematical miracles.

When i type جَنَّةٌ (paradise) in a arabic quran search site, such as www.searchtruth.com and www.yaquran.com, it gives me 77. when I type جَهَنَّمَ (hell) it is also 77.

But now I am confused becuase i noticed another form of pardise in arabic, جَنَّاتٍ which isn't being counted in my searches. can someone please tell me the difference with the words جَنَّاتٍ AND جَنَّةٌ i notice that there is an alif on one of them. can some also please inform me of all other different forms of paradise and hell in arabic. and any other good arabic quran search sites, and also where i am going wrong.

thanks a lot:-)

[Questfortruth]

W. Salam

I do not understand this I got similar email long time ago. As far as I understand this has nothing to do with Islam rather a person trying to prove there is a mathematical mircale in Quran. Why does it matter so much? I really think its made up because I never got any reliable source for these emails.

[kay106]

W. Salam

I do not understand this I got similar email long time ago. As far as I understand this has nothing to do with Islam rather a person trying to prove there is a mathematical mircale in Quran. Why does it matter so much? I really think its made up because I never got any reliable source for these emails.

i checked it on those sites and its 77 each. but i am confused about the word with alif in, this wasnt counted in my search.

[asadxyz]

i checked it on those sites and its 77 each. but i am confused about the word with alif in, this wasnt counted in my search.

Dear :sl:
The Holy Quran is not a book of miracles rather a book for human guidance to follow.
Do not try to prove that what this book is not meant for.
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[kay106]

Dear :sl:
The Holy Quran is not a book of miracles rather a book for human guidance to follow.
Do not try to prove that what this book is not meant for.
:w:

The holy quran is a miracle of miracles. It has miracles to support us. We dont believe in it becuase we was brought into, we believe it because there is evidence.

[Malaikah]

can someone please tell me the difference with the words جَنَّاتٍ AND جَنَّةٌ i notice that there is an alif on one of them.

My Arabic is limited but I believe the version with the alif is the plural and the one with out the alif is singular.

[Questfortruth]

The holy quran is a miracle of miracles. It has miracles to support us. We dont believe in it becuase we was brought into, we believe it because there is evidence.

What would you do if Quran contradicts science?

[asadxyz]

The holy quran is a miracle of miracles. It has miracles to support us. We dont believe in it becuase we was brought into, we believe it because there is evidence.

We believe it ONLY BECAUSE the Holy Prophet PBUH told us that it is the message from God.Otherwise there are certain narration like life after death ,Yaum ul Akhir ,there is no way to verify it.
Its sole purpose is not to show miracles but to show a complete guidance from Al-mighty Allah.
:w:

[asadxyz]

What would you do if Quran contradicts science?

No doubt the Holy Quran is NOT a book of science but of guidance.But during its text if it describes some scienctific fact then it is a FACT no matter todays science has discovered it or not.

:w:

[Questfortruth]

Holy Quran is NOT a book of science but of guidance.

The question was intended for brother Kay106. There are muslims that believe there should be third source to prove Quran as right. I believe it is matter of faith either you have it or you don't. No matter how much a person learns about the miracles of a book still will not accept it. There is no god But Allah Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger. The shahada will do more to convince a person then showing them miracles.

[kay106]

can someone please answer my question? 1 person has, but everyone else, please stop changing the subject.

[kay106]

My Arabic is limited but I believe the version with the alif is the plural and the one with out the alif is singular.

This is what someone else has told me also, but need to be sure.

So you you think the word jahannam, the word in arabic in my last post, is also in singular?

[asadxyz]

This is what someone else has told me also, but need to be sure.

So you you think the word jahannam, the word in arabic in my last post, is also in singular?

:sl:
الجنة = singular
جنا ت = Plural
Let me say again.Primary purpose of the Holy Quran is Guidance not trying to find miracles by word counting as "Rashid Khalifa " did and ultimately claimed himself to a "Rasool" and denied two verses 9:28,29 but it was not fitting in his mathematical caculation.
:w:

[kay106]

:sl:
الجنة = singular
جنا ت = Plural
Let me say again.Primary purpose of the Holy Quran is Guidance not trying to find miracles by word counting as "Rashid Khalifa " did and ultimately claimed himself to a "Rasool" and denied two verses 9:28,29 but it was not fitting in his mathematical caculation.
:w:

thanks for your answer, you have correctly said the Quran is for guidance which means to believe in the creator, his books, his messenger, and to surrender to him.
Isn't iman the 1st piller of faith? isnt it the key? so you are saying that it isn't a miracle becuase rashid khalifa, the fool, calimed himself a prophet becuase of numbers. becuase he done that doesn't mean that every one else will and i dont think we should deny such miracles, it is clearly a miracle, becuase how could someone write such a book, revealed in 23 years, memorised by millions, its beauty in elloquence, and now we see a balance of words. dont you see the point? one point i can see is that it has never been changed to the single letter, otherwise there will not be a balance of words.

So is جنة on its own without the Al is singular? and how do you know this? wheres your source?

[kay106]

What would you do if Quran contradicts science?

Quran is far superior to science, science is late!! i would believe in the highest of the highest authority, the all knowing. what would you do? doubt? or are you saying you wouldnt doubt, inside you really are?

please people stop assuming. answer peoples questions, and dont jump to conclusions, like hes some kind of an idiot. we are supposed to be the best of people.

[kay106]

We believe it ONLY BECAUSE the Holy Prophet PBUH told us that it is the message from God.Otherwise there are certain narration like life after death ,Yaum ul Akhir ,there is no way to verify it.
Its sole purpose is not to show miracles but to show a complete guidance from Al-mighty Allah.
:w:

so you believe in something becuase someone said it? that means anyone could claim they are a prophet. Allah supported all prophets with miracles to proove who they are. otherwise how would we know?

when we know for a fact that this person is a messenger from the creator, thats how we verify life after death, only the one who placed us on this earth will know what happens after we die, and only he can inform us of that.

[kay106]

Dear :sl:
The Holy Quran is not a book of miracles rather a book for human guidance to follow.
Do not try to prove that what this book is not meant for.
:w:

what do you think i am trying to proove?

[Questfortruth]

Quran is far superior to science, science is late!! i would believe in the highest of the highest authority, the all knowing. what would you do? doubt? or are you saying you wouldnt doubt, inside you really are?

please people stop assuming. answer peoples questions, and dont jump to conclusions, like hes some kind of an idiot. we are supposed to be the best of people.

huh! ok then

[asadxyz]

so you believe in something becuase someone said it? that means anyone could claim they are a prophet. Allah supported all prophets with miracles to proove who they are. otherwise how would we know?

when we know for a fact that this person is a messenger from the creator, thats how we verify life after death, only the one who placed us on this earth will know what happens after we die, and only he can inform us of that.

Dear :sl:
You are mistaken.Miracle is not essential to prove prophethood.There were many prophets but we do not see their miracles.
Even the Holy Prophet PBUH when claimed that he had received revelation ,he never said "come on I show you the miracles".If read the Holy Quran then examine what arguement did he present to the nation in favor of truthfulness.

قُل لَّوْ شَاء اللّهُ مَا تَلَوْتُهُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلاَ أَدْرَاكُم بِهِ فَقَدْ لَبِثْتُ فِيكُمْ عُمُرًا مِّن قَبْلِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ﴿10:16﴾
(10:16) Tell them: 'Had Allah so willed, I would not have recited the Qur'an to you, nor would Allah have informed you of it. I have spent a lifetime among you before this. Do you, then, not use your reason? *

He presented his previous life and his character which he had shown to his nation in forty years.Did he say ,"that these are miracles which testify my prophethood"?
Even then Prophets were given miracles as secondary proof.Like shaqqul Qamar ,Or mehraaj and many others.Not the primary one. The basic aim of prophets was not showing miracles rather to spread the message of oneness of God.
:w:

[asadxyz]

thanks for your answer, you have correctly said

So is جنة on its own without the Al is singular? and how do you know this? wheres your source?

:sl:
I assume that you know this much arabic which it the "Language of the Holy Quran"
المصباح المنير في غريب الشرح الكبير - (ج 1 / ص

112)
و ( الجَنَّةُ ) بالفتح الحديقة ذات الشجر وقيل ذات النخل والجمع ( جَنَّاتٌ ) على لفظها و ( جِنَانٌ ) أيضا

[kay106]

Dear :sl:
You are mistaken.Miracle is not essential to prove prophethood.There were many prophets but we do not see their miracles.
Even the Holy Prophet PBUH when claimed that he had received revelation ,he never said "come on I show you the miracles".If read the Holy Quran then examine what arguement did he present to the nation in favor of truthfulness.

قُل لَّوْ شَاء اللّهُ مَا تَلَوْتُهُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلاَ أَدْرَاكُم بِهِ فَقَدْ لَبِثْتُ فِيكُمْ عُمُرًا مِّن قَبْلِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ﴿10:16﴾
(10:16) Tell them: 'Had Allah so willed, I would not have recited the Qur'an to you, nor would Allah have informed you of it. I have spent a lifetime among you before this. Do you, then, not use your reason? *

He presented his previous life and his character which he had shown to his nation in forty years.Did he say ,"that these are miracles which testify my prophethood"?
Even then Prophets were given miracles as secondary proof.Like shaqqul Qamar ,Or mehraaj and many others.Not the primary one. The basic aim of prophets was not showing miracles rather to spread the message of oneness of God.
:w:

splitting of the moon, when prophet (pbuh) made dua is that not a miracle to you? Prophet (pbuh) was given thousands of miracles to proove his prophet hood, his biggest miracle was the miracle of the Quran.

[asadxyz]

splitting of the moon, when prophet (pbuh) made dua is that not a miracle to you? Prophet (pbuh) was given thousands of miracles to proove his prophet hood, his biggest miracle was the miracle of the Quran.

yes that was a miracle.May I ask you how many people embraced Islam as a result of this miracle ?
With reference please
I will be happy to know if Quran has presented any miracle as a "proof " of Prophethood.
Wasalaam

[kay106]

yes that was a miracle.May I ask you how many people embraced Islam as a result of this miracle ?
With reference please
I will be happy to know if Quran has presented any miracle as a "proof " of Prophethood.
Wasalaam

for people not to have embraced Islam after clear proofs, are bunch of irrational, illogical, nonsense, piece of craps, rubbish, dont know what more too say.

but most prophets or i think all were given miracles to proove their prophet, otherwise how will people know that he is a prophet? isn't this like trying to saying anyone could say they are a prophet? i agree that the main purpose of the prophets were to inform people about the creator and whats comes after death, and what people needs to do, etc. but again how would people know, if they are saying the truth or not? thats why God supports prophets with miracles, during Musa alaisalams time, the thing which people were fascinated by was magic, when Musa (pbuh) threw his stick in front of the magicians, the magicians knew what magic is and immediately realised, during prophet muhammed (pbuh) time people were deeply into poetry, when the quran was revealed, people realised that this is far superior to what they had, now its an age of science, this is what people are fascinated by, have you seen what scientists have to say about the scientific miracles of the Quran?

Do you know why nature is in a state of peace? observe nature, does it look tanquil, peace, harmony, but why?

[kay106]

can someone please tell me, with evidence, how many places of prostrations are there in the Quran, someone people says 14 others 15, can someone please tell me the truth?

[asadxyz]

for people not to have embraced Islam after clear proofs, are bunch of irrational, illogical, nonsense, piece of craps, rubbish, dont know what more too say.

but most prophets or i think all were given miracles to proove their prophet, otherwise how will people know that he is a prophet? isn't this like trying to saying anyone could say they are a prophet? i agree that the main purpose of the prophets were to inform people about the creator and whats comes after death, and what people needs to do, etc. but again how would people know, if they are saying the truth or not? thats why God supports prophets with miracles, during Musa alaisalams time, the thing which people were fascinated by was magic, when Musa (pbuh) threw his stick in front of the magicians, the magicians knew what magic is and immediately realised, during prophet muhammed (pbuh) time people were deeply into poetry, when the quran was revealed, people realised that this is far superior to what they had, now its an age of science, this is what people are fascinated by, have you seen what scientists have to say about the scientific miracles of the Quran?

Do you know why nature is in a state of peace? observe nature, does it look tanquil, peace, harmony, but why?

:sl:
My dear brother you have evaded my question;I repeat it

I will be happy to know if Quran has presented any miracle as a "proof " of Prophethood for Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

Secondly these unusual acts can happen from Non Prophet persons also even non muslims.If these acts
Happen from Prophets = Mohjzaa
Happen from Walee = Karamat
Happen from a non muslim = Istidraaj.
:w: