Nazi ------> Religion ??

Hi all, i'm Atheist, i want to know if you think if Nazi is a religion. Or a part of deformed christianity like terrorists are actually a deformed islam.

Thanks

Richard LeFénéant

I do not think Naziism is a religion at all. It is an atheistic political philosophy in the same way that Communism is an atheistic political philosophy. Naziism cannot claim justification from the Christian scriptures though Muslim terrorists try to do that with the Quran. Am I right?

Nazi = Religion?
I think that this was made up by enemies of religion as an excuse. Nazism wouldnt appear without Enlightment, XVIII century philospohies, without Nietzsche and Schopenhauer, without rejecting religion and creating man made ideologies like communism and natiionalism.Nazis have killed hundreds of priests, they have created own pagan vision of world, so now equating nazism with religion is something rude in my opinion.

Maplesyrop said:

like terrorists are actually a deformed islam.

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Its true, but bear in mind that there have been T's in the past that were not Muslim ....

Maplesyrop said:

Hi all, i'm Atheist, i want to know if you think if Nazi is a religion. Or a part of deformed christianity like terrorists are actually a deformed islam.

Thanks

Richard LeFénéant

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Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

let's go with religion, a George Bush kind of Christianity! there are eerie similarities:

Pre-emptive Invasion (Poland/Lowlands/Holland-Belgium-France as compared to Afghanistan and Iraq) for "Homeland" security!

Gestapo as compared to the "Patriot" Act!

using Jews as scapegoats in order build an empire as compared to using Muslims as scapegoats to build an empire!

all done while singing patriotic/religious songs!

imagine how everyday Americans will feel when all this is over!

oh, and "terrorists are actually a deformed islam." and by "deformed Islam" you meant CIA, British and Israeli Intelligence, right?

Hi, this may look like a foolish question at first, but it's actually quite challenging to answer. Originally nazism referred to a political view. But then later on the name was adapted to refer to specific concepts and ideologies in general, not necessarily linked to the original political party of Adolf Hitler.

If you ask me what is the difference between a religion and a ideology;
1. Religion is a set of multiple ideas and concepts whereas an ideology generally refers to only one main concept.
2. Religion refers to very specif ideas and concepts (metaphysical, human nature, morality, cosmos,...) whereas the term ideology is allot more general, and loose.
3. Believing in a religions is based on faith, believing in an ideologies is based on reason and deduction (albeit it possibly flawed deductions)

ASeeker said:

Muslim terrorists try to do that with the Quran. Am I right?

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Are we forgetting about the Crusades??? And do you have no knowledge of what the I.R.A are and what they were fighting for??? :?

I feel sorry for you. You must live somewhere really remote and primitive to have such a lack of general knowledge...

I will pray for you. May Allah help you overcome your ignorance and stupidity and grant you some intelligence my Brother.

Think!!! before you open your mouth to make spiteful comments

Hamayun said:

Are we forgetting about the Crusades??? And do you have no knowledge of what the I.R.A are and what they were fighting for??? :?

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The IRA were fighting for a political goal. The Protestant/Catholic conflict was similar to the Sunni/Shiite conflict in Iraq I suppose. Those are two separate issues however.

Definatly a religion.
Deity The Fuhrer/ greater german god (wotan/christ hodgepodge)
Holy Book Mein Kampf
Symbology Swastika
Pilgramage Nurenberg rally
Ideology Superiority of the national socialist system over all others
Hymns : various and many
Martyerdom For the fatherland

Prayers were directed to and oaths sworn on hitler, his face adorned each house like christs pictures adorn a catholics.


Juche, Maoism ,Soviet communism. All religions.

Aaron85 said:

they have created own pagan vision of world

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that sounds like a religion... a Neo-Pagan religion...

Can someone explain the usage of Swastika by the Nazis...

When I was a kid I used to think that the Buddhists, Hindus and Taoists are Nazis as they also use the swastika symbol.

Swastika was a neolitic symbol adapted by Greeks Hindus and many others. It was a lucky sign which was supposed to bring fortune on the owner.


It was also a part of Wotan the god of wars worship, hence its Germanic use.

barney said:

Definatly a religion.
Deity The Fuhrer/ greater german god (wotan/christ hodgepodge)
Holy Book Mein Kampf
Symbology Swastika
Pilgramage Nurenberg rally
Ideology Superiority of the national socialist system over all others
Hymns : various and many
Martyerdom For the fatherland

Prayers were directed to and oaths sworn on hitler, his face adorned each house like christs pictures adorn a catholics.


Juche, Maoism ,Soviet communism. All religions.

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have you ever been to any modern day Nazi (neo-Nazis) websites lately? one American site in particular (some sort of southern baptists) they say they are chosen people of god Jesus (every one else was created to serve the nation of god and that bad bad guy Lincoln took away their god given rights

Hitler was at some levels a catholic, he was bats though so i doubt he knew what he was really, he used emplaced religion when and as it suited him. He had a division of Muslim Waffen SS troops, the "Handschar", ferocious and brutal as the Totenkopft. Masses of warcrimes.

National Socialism diddnt follow a organised big 3 religion foremost, they followed National Socialism, and this system ticks all the boxes of a religion itself.


Heres the Whermachts uniform belt buckle. God Is With Us.

barney said:

Swastika was a neolitic symbol adapted by Greeks Hindus and many others. It was a lucky sign which was supposed to bring fortune on the owner.


It was also a part of Wotan the god of wars worship, hence its Germanic use.

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Hindu brahmins I've met claim descent from Aryan nation (as did Hitler) which took over India and made slaves and un-touchables out of dark-skinned inhabitants

it is is a nice thread for the progeny of Nazi collaborators who helped their Catholic brethren to annihilate Jews . now if they can prove that Nazism is a different faith to their ever loving Catholicism its all good and well!

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Hitler was at some levels a catholic, he was bats though so i doubt he knew what he was really, he used emplaced religion when and as it suited him. He had a division of Muslim Waffen SS troops, the "Handschar", ferocious and brutal as the Totenkopft. Masses of warcrimes.

National Socialism diddnt follow a organised big 3 religion foremost, they followed National Socialism, and this system ticks all the boxes of a religion itself.


Heres the Whermachts uniform belt buckle. God Is With Us.

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i knew it was not going to be long before it turned on Islam!

He had a division of Muslim Waffen SS troops

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what country were they from? what were they hoping to get in return for helping Germany? (he also had men from England and Poland too)

It depends on individual perspective. Im pretty sure they were opposing factions within the Nazi rank and file themselves when it came to actually defining in pretty succint and concise words exactly what Nazism is.

Conceptually, i don't think we can quite say conclusively that Nazism was an ideology and not a religion. Remember, for a lot of people, the Fuhrer, was quite literally, God. This was the prevailing attitude all the way till the end of the Third Reich amongst many German people who saw him as somewhat of a Messianic figure rather than an international megalomaniac of colossal proportions.

Nazism, in practical terms, id say was both an ideology and a religion. Mein Kampf became like the Bible and Hitler became a Christ-like individual to the German masses. If Boleshevism eschewed the notion of religion, then Nazism was the diametric opposite of that, extolling Christian values (albeit it selectively to suit political interests). Id say it was a a very complex conflation of religion, ideology and a dangerous doctrine of expansionism and militarism.

All those perlious religious, ideological and doctrinaire elements fused together resulted in possibly the most nefarious regime of recent history. Although, i believe unswervingly that the most heinous and demonic international regime is that of the zionist israeli entity, and it's benefactors in the US.

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Remember, for a lot of people, the Fuhrer, was quite literally, God. This was the prevailing attitude all the way till the end of the Third Reich amongst many German people who saw him as somewhat of a Messianic figure rather than an international megalomaniac of colossal proportions.

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Thats the first time I've heard that. I don't know of any examples where Hitler was granted Godlike status even in Nazi Germany. I don't think he portrayed himself as a God even in the propaganda, let alone that Germans believed it. Don't forget, the overwhelming majority of Germans were Christians back then. Claiming God-like status would only have complicated the matter for him from a political perspective.

Anyway, concerning the original post, I think it is rather pointless to call a political doctrine a religion. There might be some characteristics that are shared between the two, but that does not mean that such a doctrine is religious. In fascism there were no references to the super natural, in fact a people's rights and destiny were very much approached from a 'natural'/'scientific' perspective.

Why is that "turning on Islam".??? There are lots of things i like about islam and I have muslim freinds. Your making out that I'm islamophobic, which i find offensive so please dont plunge on every post just because Skye does.
I bring it up to show that Hitler was a user of religion for his ends. In the admonishment of Catholoicism and its hand in the work of the Nazi's I cant hardly exclude mentioning Muslim involvement?

The Handschar were bosnian muslims and some catholics, they wore fez's and were a mountain division (22000 men). There was some hope from them that Hitler would give Bosnia over to the ummah.

KAding said:

Thats the first time I've heard that. I don't know of any examples where Hitler was granted Godlike status even in Nazi Germany. I don't think he portrayed himself as a God even in the propaganda, let alone that Germans believed it. Don't forget, the overwhelming majority of Germans were Christians back then. Claiming God-like status would only have complicated the matter for him from a political perspective.

Anyway, concerning the original post, I think it is rather pointless to call a political doctrine a religion. There might be some characteristics that are shared between the two, but that does not mean that such a doctrine is religious. In fascism there were no references to the super natural, in fact a people's rights and destiny were very much approached from a 'natural'/'scientific' perspective.

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I read a book not too long ago on Nazi Germany, and the author cited an element of society, which did percieve Hitler at least as a demi-God in certain senses.

Hitler didn't claim God like-status, but i believe even if he did, it would not have compounded his political situation, because remember, he was at the helm of a regime that used fear, intimidation and repression to sustain itself until it was forcefully ousted. So, yes claiming God like status might not have endeared him to the vast majority of Germans, but he certainly had the means to brutally beat the point into everyone if he needed to. As an autocrat, he did just that.

He had a division of Muslim Waffen SS troops, the "Handschar", ferocious and brutal as the Totenkopft. Masses of warcrimes.

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no mention of Englanders or poles! why? no mention of country of origin of "muslim" troops or their reasoning

if you don't like it Tough! its an open forum and I'll post as I see fit until one of your mates bans me again.