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Handwritten in Greek more than 1,600 years ago — it isn't exactly clear where — the surviving 400 or so pages carry a version of the New Testament that has a few interesting differences from the Bible used by Christians today.
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The Gospel of Mark ends abruptly after Jesus' disciples discover his empty tomb, for example. Mark's last line has them leaving in fear.

"It cuts out the post-resurrection stories," said Juan Garces, curator of the Codex Sinaiticus Project. "That's a very odd way of ending a Gospel."
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James Davila, a professor of early Jewish studies at St. Andrews University in Scotland, said the Codex also includes religious works foreign to the Roman Catholic and Protestant canons — such as the "Epistle of Barnabas" and the "Shepherd of Hermas," a book packed with visions and parables.
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Davila stressed that did not mean the works were necessarily considered Scripture by early Christians: They could have been bound with the Bible to save money.
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Read the entire article for yourself: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080721/ap_on_re/britain_ancient_bible

Salam
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Interesting. I wonder about the extent to which this ancient Bible is different from the Bible today.
 
I once checked a 1400 years old Latin version and examined the controversial parts and they were there for the most part.
 
Osman said:
Interesting. I wonder about the extent to which this ancient Bible is different from the Bible today.
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:sl:

big difference,SubahnALLAH..its like they add something new every year..any one can add their 2 cents to it

SubahnALLAH hey have a remix to the bible now

:w:
 
Osman said:
What was there for the most part? Sorry, I didn't get you. :-[
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You know, the verses that some people, muslims too, claim were added long after year 0. I checked a couple and they were there in a 1400 years old manuscript.
 
Greetings,

The oldest version online could be very useful for scholars of early Christianity, alongside all the other variant Bible texts that are extant. The storage and preservation of information that the internet provides never ceases to amaze me.

Not to mention all the cool things you can find out, such as:

ayan333 said:
big difference,SubahnALLAH..its like they add something new every year..any one can add their 2 cents to it
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Really - is that how it works? Cool! There sure are a lot of things I'd like to see put into the Bible. Where do I sign up? :happy:

Peace
 
ayan333 said:
:sl:

big difference,SubahnALLAH..its like they add something new every year..any one can add their 2 cents to it

SubahnALLAH hey have a remix to the bible now

:w:
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They add something new every year? Interesting I hadn't noticed. Care to share with me what "they" added this year? Or even last year?
 
Keltoi said:
They add something new every year? Interesting I hadn't noticed. Care to share with me what "they" added this year? Or even last year?
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r u seriously going to argue and tell me that the bibles been the same through out the years...i havnt found one,not one,wahid,uno.person to who can answer any of my questions,things as simple as whose you GOD

dnt get me wrong...there are some plp out there who do follow christianity,not the christianity were if i ask the two persons who "claim" to be christians who their LORD is,n they tell you two oppostie things..almost garunteed..il ltry to see which version of the bible my neighbors have them compare it to my other neighbors bible n have them settle it

but im not here to argue,simply state my oponion which everyone has a right to express right? and leave it at that

n for the proof of the rencently added things i will glady provide it,actually i would be more then happy to,jus give me a lil time while go up the street to the local church n turn in my "approval to add to bible sheet"...available in stores 2009-2010


i once was told that Islam doesnt permit insulting or talking negatively towards ones relgion although its done to us 24-7,some actually have careers for it but untill then i wnt state the hundreds contridictions it contains n above ive only stated facts,nothing but the truth

till then i guess Isnh ALLAH(If ALLAH (SWA) Wills)

:w:
nice day

hope u find the truth
 
ayan333 said:
r u seriously going to argue and tell me that the bibles been the same through out the years...i havnt found one,not one,wahid,uno.person to who can answer any of my questions,things as simple as whose you GOD

dnt get me wrong...there are some plp out there who do follow christianity,not the christianity were if i ask the two persons who "claim" to be christians who their LORD is,n they tell you two oppostie things..almost garunteed..il ltry to see which version of the bible my neighbors have them compare it to my other neighbors bible n have them settle it

but im not here to argue,simply state my oponion which everyone has a right to express right? and leave it at that

n for the proof of the rencently added things i will glady provide it,actually i would be more then happy to,jus give me a lil time while go up the street to the local church n turn in my "approval to add to bible sheet"...available in stores 2009-2010


i once was told that Islam doesnt permit insulting or talking negatively towards ones relgion although its done to us 24-7,some actually have careers for it but untill then i wnt state the hundreds contridictions it contains n above ive only stated facts,nothing but the truth

till then i guess Isnh ALLAH(If ALLAH (SWA) Wills)

:w:
nice day

hope u find the truth
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No offense, but I really couldn't understand much of that.

From what I did understand, you believe you can look at your neighbors Bible and find a different one from your other neighbor? If you mean you will find a different translation of the Bible I would agree. If you mean you will find something theological in one Bible that isn't in another...then I don't agree and would really like for you post evidence of this.
 
Keltoi said:
No offense, but I really couldn't understand much of that.

From what I did understand, you believe you can look at your neighbors Bible and find a different one from your other neighbor? If you mean you will find a different translation of the Bible I would agree. If you mean you will find something theological in one Bible that isn't in another...then I don't agree and would really like for you post evidence of this.
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im sorry u didnt understand...

translation? noooooo im talking defferent verses n so on.

to say translation would be stupid...the holy Qur'an is translated in every language possible so in no way did i mean that

hopefully i can find it online or ill try to quote it or even scan it so u wnt have to worry about me making stuff up
ok


its funny cuz my Ap gov. teacher,who is a christian herself always points out these things,kinda weird

but got to memorize my Qur'an Homework but dnt worry im on it
Insh ALLAH
 
Greetings,
ayan333 said:
r u seriously going to argue and tell me that the bibles been the same through out the years...i havnt found one,not one,wahid,uno.person to who can answer any of my questions,things as simple as whose you GOD
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If I may rudely interrupt but try to help here:

Perhaps the reason you are so interested in this area is because your religion places great importance on the Qur'an having remained unchanged, whereas Christians do not attach the same claim to the Bible.

In other words, it's a big deal for you, but it isn't a big deal for Christians.

The Bible is a selection of texts drawn from a wealth of different sources, and given that during the time it was created and compiled the flow of information was more limited than it is today, dicrepancies between different texts are inevitable.

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


If I may rudely interrupt but try to help here:

Perhaps the reason you are so interested in this area is because your religion places great importance on the Qur'an having remained unchanged, whereas Christians do not attach the same claim to the Bible.

correct

In other words, it's a big deal for you, but it isn't a big deal for Christians.
right on

The Bible is a selection of texts drawn from a wealth of different sources, and given that during the time it was created and compiled the flow of information was more limited than it is today, dicrepancies between different texts are inevitable. Peace
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cool...try explaining that to all those who believe the current bible was wriiten
by GOD....like ur responce through

hope u didnt take it offensive

peace to all
 
Greetings,
ayan333 said:
cool...try explaining that to all those who believe the current bible was wriiten
by GOD....like ur responce through

hope u didnt take it offensive

peace to all
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Don't worry, of course not. On here, I only really get offended by unnecessary threats of violence or just general rudeness, neither of which you have shown.

In any case, you should know that if a Christian says he believes the Bible was written by god, he understands this very differently to the way you understand your belief that the Qur'an was written by Allah.

If you look at the Bible, very little of it even claims to be the word of god. With the Qur'an, 100% of it is claimed to be the word of god. That's a big difference.

The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be, I would say, but that's another story...

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


Don't worry, of course not. On here, I only really get offended by unnecessary threats of violence or just general rudeness, neither of which you have shown.

If a Christian says he believes the Bible was written by god, he understands this very differently to the way you understand your belief that the Qur'an was written by Allah.

If you look at the Bible, very little of it even claims to be the word of god. With the Qur'an, 100% of it is claimed to be the word of god. That's a big difference.

The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be, I would say, but that's another story...

Peace
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o good
understood

peace
 
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.

Keltoi said:
They add something new every year? Interesting I hadn't noticed. Care to share with me what "they" added this year? Or even last year?
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The changes don’t happen really every year (maybe that was a figure of speech), however, the changes of the Bible DO HAPPEN quite often, and that’s why we have thousands of different version today and every adherents of that particular version, claiming that it is the only accurate word of God. Of course they can make such claims simply because the ORIGINAL manuscripts do not exist anymore according to Christian scholars.

For example, according the link posted, the new discovery shows that the manuscripts found includes the Gospel of Barnabas, which mentioned Muhammad pbuh by name as the last messenger of God (although they are still not sure whether it is part of the original Bible or only belongs to Christian writings and not inspired), also the original manuscripts does not mention anywhere the ascension of Jesus to heaven, the word begotten is not mentioned, the 1st epistle of John 5:7 (trinity) is not to be found, the story of stoning the lady who commits adultery is not found, Mark 16 ends at verse 8, verses 9-20 are missing, and many more…

What is important is that Christian scholars themselves declared that the original manuscripts are not exactly as today’s Bible, what other evidence do you require to prove that today's Bible is NOT the accurate word of God?

Salam
Serving Islam
 
Serving Islam said:
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.



The changes don’t happen really every year (maybe that was a figure of speech), however, the changes of the Bible DO HAPPEN quite often, and that’s why we have thousands of different version today and every adherents of that particular version, claiming that it is the only accurate word of God. Of course they can make such claims simply because the ORIGINAL manuscripts do not exist anymore according to Christian scholars.

For example, according the link posted, the new discovery shows that the manuscripts found includes the Gospel of Barnabas, which mentioned Muhammad pbuh by name as the last messenger of God (although they are still not sure whether it is part of the original Bible or only belongs to Christian writings and not inspired), also the original manuscripts does not mention anywhere the ascension of Jesus to heaven, the word begotten is not mentioned, the 1st epistle of John 5:7 (trinity) is not to be found, the story of stoning the lady who commits adultery is not found, Mark 16 ends at verse 8, verses 9-20 are missing, and many more…

What is important is that Christian scholars themselves declared that the original manuscripts are not exactly as today’s Bible, what other evidence do you require to prove that today's Bible is NOT the accurate word of God?

Salam
Serving Islam
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First of all, the "Gospel of Barnabas" you are referring to has been known to be a medieval forgery for a long time. The Epistle of Barnabas, which is what the article mentioned, is something altogether different.

Barnabas 5:1
For to this end the Lord endured to deliver His flesh unto
corruption, that by the remission of sins we might be cleansed, which
cleansing is through the blood of His sprinkling.

Barnabas 5:2
For the scripture concerning Him containeth some things relating to
Israel, and some things relating to us. And it speaketh thus; He
was wounded for your transgressions, and He hath been bruised for
our sins; by His stripes we were healed. As a sheep He was led to
slaughter, as a lamb is dumb before his shearer.

Barnabas 5:3
We ought therefore to be very thankful unto the Lord, for that He
both revealed unto us the past, and made us wise in the present, and
as regards the future we are not without understanding.

Not exactly what you were looking for was it?

As for the rest, it is an incomplete collection of writings that have been found. I can't say why those aspects are missing, but it at the time this manuscript was written the Christian theological doctrine was already in place. Nothing this codex has or doesn't have changes that fact.
 
Serving Islam said:
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum.



The changes don’t happen really every year (maybe that was a figure of speech), however, the changes of the Bible DO HAPPEN quite often, and that’s why we have thousands of different version today and every adherents of that particular version, claiming that it is the only accurate word of God. Of course they can make such claims simply because the ORIGINAL manuscripts do not exist anymore according to Christian scholars.
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You are still referring to translations. Some translations use the old King James style of speech. Others use a more modern form of speech in the translation. In any event, these different translations do not equal different versions, only different translations.
 
The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the evidence needs to be, I would say, but that's another story...

Let me get this is straight here. If you mean that you need some extra ordinary evidence that the Holy Quran is the word of God I can give plenty of them.
 
Bismillah: Assalamo Alikum

Keltoi said:
You are still referring to translations. Some translations use the old King James style of speech. Others use a more modern form of speech in the translation. In any event, these different translations do not equal different versions, only different translations.
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No I am actually referring to versions of the Bible, NOT translations.

When one Bible contains 73 books, 7 extra books more than the protestant Bible, then we call them different versions, when the same RSV of 1952 and 1971 contradicts each other, we call them versions and not translations, when you read Jehovah’s witness Bible and compare it with the KJV, you will understand what I mean, when you read the Living Bible and compare it with Jimmy Swaggart’s version, then you will realize the huge differences.

The reason for this is that the original Bible itself do not exist today, and so everyone can claim that his Bible is God’s words, but no one can really back up his claim with some evidence, and that’s why Christian Scholars who have done their home work knows well what am talking about.

I can elaborate further on this subject if you wish.

Salam
Serving Islam
 

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