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Güven
09-17-2008, 10:13 PM
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Soo This time I went to another Masjid , They Prayed Differently than The One I Usualy Go ,
They Pray like first 4 rakah's Sunnah Prayer of Isha and The 4 Rakah's Fard Prayer Of Isha Then They Moved To The Taraweeh Prayer Wich was 8 Rakah's!
I Usualy Pray 20 rakah's So This Was My First Time That I prayed 8 rakah's Taraweeh buuut There Was One rakah (before the third rakah and after the second rakah )
Wich was very unusual to me The Imam Recitet Fatiha and all that But then They Went Straight to sudjood so they skipped ruku and did ONE sudjood and went back to Qiyam(standing Position) and then started with The Third Rakah of Taraweeh I Dunno if that Counted as a rakah Or not ? and after Taraweeh They Prayed Two Rakah witr Plus One separate of the first two Rakah Witr.

So my Question Again, is this Correct ?? :)
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Güven
09-18-2008, 07:12 PM
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Na7lah
09-18-2008, 07:19 PM
So This Was My First Time That I prayed 8 rakah's Taraweeh buuut There Was One rakah (before the third rakah and after the second rakah )
Wich was very unusual to me The Imam Recitet Fatiha and all that But then They Went Straight to sudjood so they skipped ruku and did ONE sudjood and went back to Qiyam(standing Position) and then started with The Third Rakah of Taraweeh I Dunno if that Counted as a rakah Or not ?
yep there was probably an ayah of Sajdah
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Ibn Al Aqwa
09-18-2008, 07:26 PM
Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakatuhu

Firstly,it is perfectly legit to pray 8 Rak'ahs and is in accordance with the sunnah. There are hadith that say Rasulullaah (SAWS) prayed 8 rak'ahs and there are hadith that say that in the time of 'Umar (RA) they prayed 20. To make it easier. This is also sunnah as in the hadith in Bukhaari in the final sermon, "follow my sunnah and the sunnah of the khulafaa' ar-Rashideen." And know that there is no set number of rak'ahs in taraweeh, as its all nafl, the Prophet (SAWS) never set a number, so why people claim that is IS 20 or it IS 8, i dont know, probably because they lack knowledge.

So you have massive debates and people getting all emotional,its pointless, they are both sunnah, period. Undebatable.

Check this - http://islamqa.com/en/ref/82152/taraweeh

As for the sujood bit, i didnt get what you was trying to say, you didnt explain it well, sorry, but if it was an ayah of sajdah, then you should have come across a few earlier in taraweeh.
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Güven
09-18-2008, 09:01 PM
Yes I know That Both of them Were Permissible,

and an Ayah Of Sajdah?? Nvr heard That before Can you explain That More Please?
and Srry for my explanation , I Know I am Bad at Explaining Things :)

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Re.TiReD
09-18-2008, 09:05 PM
Verses in the Qur’aan where we should perform Sujood al-Tilaawah
I would like to know the specific ayats in the Qu'Ran where we should prostrate.


Praise be to Allaah.
There are fifteen places in the Qur’aan where we should perform sajdat al-tilaawah (prostration of recitation) when reciting them. It was reported from ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited to him fifteen verses in the Qur’aan where one should prostrate, three of which are in al-Mufassal and two in Soorat al-Hajj. It was reported by Abu Dawood, Ibn Maajah, al-Haakim and al-Daaraqutni, and classed as hasan by al-Mundhiri and al-Nawawi. The fifteen aayat are (interpretation of the meanings):

1 - “Surely those who are with your Lord (angels) are never too proud to perform acts of worship to Him, but they glorify His Praise and prostrate before Him.”
[al-A’raaf 7:206]

2 - “And unto Allaah (Alone) falls in prostration whoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and in the afternoons.”
[al-Ra’d 13:15]

3 – “And to Allaah prostrate all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, of the live moving creatures and the angels, and they are not proud [i.e., they worship their Lord (Allaah) with humility].”
[al-Nahl 16:49]

4 – “Say (O Muhammad): ‘Believe in it (the Qur’aan) or do not believe (in it). Verily! Those who were given knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration.”
[al-Isra’ 17:107]

5 – “… When the Verses of the Most Beneficent (Allaah) were recited unto them, they fell down prostrating and weeping.”
[Maryam 19:58]

6 – “See you not that to Allaah prostrates whoever is in the heavens and whoever is one the earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the mountains, and the trees, and al-dawaab (moving living creatures, beasts, etc.), and many of mankind? But there are many (men) on whom the punishment is justified. And whomsoever Allaah disgraces, none can honour him. Verily! Allaah does what He wills.”
[al-Hajj 22:18]

7 – “O you who believe! Bow down, and prostrate yourselves, and worship your Lord and do good that you may be successful.”
[al-Hajj 22:77]

8 – “And when it is said to them: ‘Prostrate to the Most Beneficent (Allaah)!’ They say, ‘And what is the Most Beneficent? Shall we fall down in prostration to that which you (O Muhammad) command us?’ And it increases in them only aversion.”
[al-Furqaan 25:60]

9 – “[As Shaytaan has barred them from Allaah’s Way] so that they do not worship (prostrate before) Allaah, Who brings to light what is hidden in the heavens and the earth, and knows what you conceal and what you reveal.”
[al-Naml 27:25]

10 – “Only those believe in Our aayaat (verses, signs, etc.) who, when they are reminded of them fall down prostrate, and glorify the Praises of their Lord, and they are not proud.”
[al-Sajdah 32:15]

11 – “… And Dawood guessed that We had tried him and he sought forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allaah) in repentance.”
[Saad 38:24]

12 – “And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Him Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.”
[Fussilat 41:37]

13 – “So fall down in prostration to Allaah, and worship Him (Alone).”
[al-Najm 53:62]

14 – “And when the Qur’aan is recited to them, they fall not prostrate.”
[al-Inshiqaaq 84:21]

15 – “… Fall prostrate and draw near to Allaah!”
[al-‘Alaq 96:19]
Al-Albaani said, in Tamaam al-Minnah (296):

“On the contrary, the hadeeth is not hasan, because it includes two majhool [unknown] narrators. Al-Haafiz said in al-Talkhees, after quoting the opinion of al-Mundhiri and al-Nawawi that it is hasan: ‘’Abd al-Haqq and Ibn Qattaan classed it as da’eef [weak].

It includes ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Munayn, who is majhool, and the one who narrated from him is al-Haarith ibn Sa’eed al-‘Atqi, who is also unknown.’ Ibn Maakoolaa said: ‘ He did not narrate any hadeeth apart from this one.”

Hence al-Tahhaawi was of the opinion that there is no second sajdah in Soorat al-Hajj, towards the end of the soorah. This is also the opinion of Ibn Hazm who said in al-Muhalla:

“Because it is not narrated in any saheeh report that this was the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and there is no scholarly consensus to this effect. But it was reported with a saheeh isnaad that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, the daughter of ‘Abd-Allaah and Abu Darda’ performed sajdah in (the second verse quoted from Soorat al-Hajj).”

Then Ibn Hazm discussed whether the sajdahs for the other aayaat quoted are prescribed in Islam. He mentioned that the scholars are agreed upon the first ten, that performing sujood when reciting these aayaat is prescribed. Al-Tahhaawi also reported this consensus in Sharh al-Ma’aani (1/211), but he said that the sajdah in Soorat Fussilat was prescribed, instead of the sajdah in Soorat Saad. Both scholars narrated ahaadeeth with saheeh isnaads from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning the sajdahs in Saad, al-Najm, al-Inshiqaaq and al-‘Alaq. These last three are from the Mufassal, which is referred to in the hadeeth of ‘Amr mentioned above.

In conclusion, even though the isnaad of the hadeeth is weak, it is supported by the consensus of the ummah which supports most of it, and by saheeh ahaadeeth which support the rest of it, except for the second sajdah in Soorat al-Hajj, for which there is no evidence in the Sunnah or in the consensus of the scholars. But some of the Sahaabah used to prostrate when reciting it, which could be taken as evidence, especially since no one is known to have disputed with them in this regard.

To sum up, the prostration of recitation should be performed when reciting the fifteen verses quoted above. And Allaah knows best.



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Güven
09-18-2008, 11:00 PM
oh JazakAllahu Khair Sis !! , Now I Understand :)

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جوري
09-19-2008, 12:04 AM
I pray isha'a, then tarawee7 (8 raka3as) then ashaf3 (two rak3as) then alwawtr (one rak3a)...

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BlackMamba
09-19-2008, 12:17 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ibn Al Aqwa
Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakatuhu

Firstly,it is perfectly legit to pray 8 Rak'ahs and is in accordance with the sunnah. There are hadith that say Rasulullaah (SAWS) prayed 8 rak'ahs and there are hadith that say that in the time of 'Umar (RA) they prayed 20. To make it easier. This is also sunnah as in the hadith in Bukhaari in the final sermon, "follow my sunnah and the sunnah of the khulafaa' ar-Rashideen." And know that there is no set number of rak'ahs in taraweeh, as its all nafl, the Prophet (SAWS) never set a number, so why people claim that is IS 20 or it IS 8, i dont know, probably because they lack knowledge.

So you have massive debates and people getting all emotional,its pointless, they are both sunnah, period. Undebatable.
Up until the last 100 years,no one did 8 rakats. It was always 20. Hazrat Umar (RA) is the one who made taraweeh something important and he did 20. In the time of the Prohphet, Muhammad(S) would not pray taraweeh every night for fear of it becoming a fard.
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09-19-2008, 11:05 AM
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For those who think taraweeh in 8 is permissable - look at Makkah and Madina...the 2 holiest places, they pray 20...

Nuff said!
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