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Abdul Fattah
10-10-2008, 04:03 PM
Selam aleykum
A new member on the forum posted a link the other day with some powerpoint presentations. Since one of them was off topic, I would like to create the opportunity here to reply to it.

Astronomers predict that one day we will be hit again by a giant asteroid. It’s not a mater of if but when.
This is wrong Astronomers do not predict that earth will be hit by an asteroid that will destroy us all. So far we haven't tracked an asteroid that is heading to collision with earth so there's no way to predict that with astronomy. They simply consider it possible, that doesn't mean they are sure that it will happen.

The Quran also reveals that this Extinction Level Event will occur and describes it in great detail, but does not disclose when
No, the Qur'an does not say that this type of extinction level will occur. The Qur'an explains that "a" type of Armageddon will take place, but the details that are given are insufficient to jump to conclusion. Brother, I would like to kindly remind you of the dangers of tafsir:

Tafsir by mere Opinion
It is prohibited to indulge in Tafsir by mere opinion. Muhammad bin Jarir reported that Ibn 'Abbas said that the Prophet Peace be upon him said,
(For this, and the previous quotes, see At-Tabari 1:90-91)
[Whoever explains the Qur'an with his opinion or with what he has no knowledge of, then let him assume his seat in the Fire.]
At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa'i and Abu Dawud also recorded this Hadith. At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan".

Explaining what One has Knowledge of, Silence otherwise
The Salaf used to refrain from explaining what they had no knowledge of. For instance, Ibn Jarir (At-Tabari) reported that Abu Ma'mar said that Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said, " Which land will carry me and which heaven will shade me if I said about Allah's Book that which I have no knowledge of? " [6]
Ibn Jarir also reported that Anas narrated that 'Umar bin Al-Khattab read the Ayah,~{And fruits and Abba (herbage, etc.) while standing on the Minbar. He then said, " We know the fruit, so what is the Abba?" He then said, "O 'Umar! This is exaggeration." [7]
This statement means that 'Umar briefly wanted to know the exact nature of the Abba, for it was evident - to him - that it is a plant that grows on earth, just as Allah said, ‘And We cause therein the grain to grow. And grapes and clover plants’ (i.e. green fodder for the cattle) (80:27-28).
Ibn Jarir also recorded that Ibn Abi Mulaykah said that Ibn 'Abbas was asked about an Ayah, "That if any of you is asked about, he will indulge in its Tafsir." without hesitation Ibn 'Abbas refused to say anything about it (meaning with his opinion). This narration has an authentic chain of narrators. He also narrated that Ibn Abi Mulaykah said, "A man asked Ibn 'Abbas about, One Day, the space whereof is a thousand years. Ibn 'Abbas asked him, What is, Day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years~?'
The man said, `I only asked you to tell me.' Ibn 'Abbas said, They are two Days that Allah has mentioned in His Book and He has better knowledge of them.' He disliked commenting on the Book of Allah when he had no knowledge about it."
Al-Layth narrated that Yahya bin Sa`id said that Said bin Al-Musayyib used to talk about what he knows of the Qur'an (At-Tabari 1:86). Also, Ayyub, Ibn 'Awn and Hisham Ad*Dastuwa i narrated that Muhammad bin Sirin said, "I asked 'Ubaydah (meaning, As-Salmani ) about an Ayah of the Qur'an and he said,
"Those who had knowledge about the circumstances surrounding revelation of the Qur'an have perished. So fear Allah and seek the right way."
Ash-Sha`bi narrated that Masruq said, "Avoid Tafszr, because it is narration related to Allah." [8]
These authentic narrations from the Companions and the Imams of the Salaf (righteous ancestors) testify to their hesitation to indulge in the Tafsir of what they have no knowledge of. As for those who speak about what they have linguistic and religious knowledge of, then there is no sin in this case. Hence, the scholars and the Imams, including the ones we mentioned, issued statements of Tafsir and spoke about what they had knowledge of, but avoided what they had no knowledge of.
Refraining from indulging in what one has no knowledge of is required of everyone, just as everyone is required to convey the knowledge that they have when they are asked. Allah said,
‘To make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it’ (3:187);
Also, a Hadith narrated through several chains of narrators says, [9]
(Whoever is asked about knowledge that he knows but hid it, will be tied with a muzzle made of fire on the Day of Resurrection.)

And when the Horn is blown one blow. And the Earth and the mountains are carried and then pounded one pound. Then on that day The Event (Extinction Level Event) has occurred.
Again I would like to give the same warning about being careful with tafsir by personal interpretation. It is not certain that the event described in the Qur'an is the same as "the event" that astronomers consider possible.

The phrase “فَدُكَّتَا دَكَّةً وَاحِدَةً” translated as “pounded one pound” unmistakably describes the impact of a large asteroid with the Earth.
How can you claim that this "unmistakably" refers to a large asteroid? Are asteroids the only things that can "pound"? I think this interpretation as plausible as you may think it is, can very well be mistaken! Again, the tafsir given in the powerpoint is a very dangerous form of tafsir.

Tafsir ibn kathir: (69:13-15) [وَحُمِلَتِ الاٌّرْضُ وَالْجِبَالُ فَدُكَّتَا دَكَّةً وَحِدَةً ]
(And the earth and the mountains shall be removed from their places, and crushed with a single crushing.) meaning, they will be stretched out to the extent of the surface (of the earth) and the earth will change into something else other than the earth.

Modern science confirms that it is only a matter of time before a large asteroid hits Earth
Again, there are no such guarantees and confirmations, only speculations.

The Arabic words “الْوَاقِعَةُ” ,“وَقَعَتِ” and “وَقْعَتِهَا” “waqaat”,
“alwaqiaa” and “waqaatiha” translated respectively as “occurred”, “The Event” and “its occurrence” are all derived from the Arabic root word “وقَع” “waqaa” 1“وقَع على الشيء ومنه يَقَعُ وَقْعاً ووُقُوعاً: سقَطَ” which literally means “fell down!”
1- Lisan Al-Arab
Just because the root word means that, doesn't mean that the derived word means the same, right? Again, one should be careful with this tafsir. Alternatively consider Ibn kathir's:

Al-Waqi`ah (the occurrence), is one of the names of the Day of Resurrection, because that Day is real and will surely come. Allah the Exalted said in other Ayat,
[فَيَوْمَئِذٍ وَقَعَتِ الْوَاقِعَةُ ]
(Then on that Day shall the Waqi`ah occur.)( 69:15) Allah the Exalted said,
[لَيْسَ لِوَقْعَتِهَا كَاذِبَةٌ ]
(There is not, for its occurrence, Kadhibah.) means, when He commands the Day of Resurrection to begin, none can stop it from happening or prevent it from beginning,
[اسْتَجِيبُواْ لِرَبِّكُمْ مِّن قَبْلِ أَن يَأْتِىَ يَوْمٌ لاَّ مَرَدَّ لَهُ مِنَ اللَّهِ]
(Answer the call of your Lord before there comes from Allah a Day which can not be averted.) (42:47),
[سَأَلَ سَآئِلٌ بِعَذَابٍ وَاقِعٍ - لِّلْكَـفِرِينَ لَيْسَ لَهُ دَافِعٌ ]
(A questioner asked concerning a torment about to occur -- upon the disbelievers, which none can avert.)(70:1-2),
[وَيَوْمَ يَقُولُ كُن فَيَكُونُ قَوْلُهُ الْحَقُّ وَلَهُ الْمُلْكُ يَوْمَ يُنفَخُ فِى الصُّوَرِ عَـلِمُ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَـدَةِ وَهُوَ الْحَكِيمُ الْخَبِيرُ]
(And on the Day He will say: "Be!'' -- and it is! His Word is the Truth. His will be the dominion on the Day when the Trumpet will be blown. All-Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the All-Wise, Well Aware.)(6:73) As for the meaning of
[كَاذِبَةٌ]
(Kadhibah) Muhammad bin Ka`b said: "It will certainly occur,'' while Qatadah said, "It shall not be discontinued, taken back or aborted.

Creates large crater and a wave of earth
خَافِضَةٌ رَّافِعَةٌ
Lowering down, raising up.
The Glorious Quran: chapter 56, verse 3 (610 AD)
The impact of this asteroid will create a huge deep crater 10-15 times larger than the object itself. The aftershock of this impact will create a wave of earth that will travel around the globe in all directions wiping out everything in its path. The Arabic words “خَافِضَةٌ” “khafidah” (lowering down) and “رَّافِعَةٌ” “raffiah” (raising up) accurately describe the sequence and effect of the impact of the asteroid and the massive wave of earth that results from this event.
Meteor Crater in Arizona is over one kilometer across and 170 meters deep. It was formed about 50,000 years ago when a large iron meteorite hit the Earth. Scientists estimate that the meteorite weighed one million tons.
Again a tricky tafsir which relies on leniency of personal interpretation. again consider the alternative:
Ibn Kathir:
Allah's statement,
[خَافِضَةٌ رَّافِعَةٌ ]
(Bringing low, exalting.) indicates that Al-Waqi`ah lowers some people to the lowest parts of the Fire, even if they had been mighty in this life. It also elevates others to the highest grades in the residence of eternal delight, even if they were weak in this life. This was said by Al-Hasan, Qatadah and others. Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas:
[خَافِضَةٌ رَّافِعَةٌ ]
(Bringing low, exalting), "It made the near and the far hear it,'' while `Ikrimah said, "It lowered, and thus those who were close heard it, and elevated, and thus those in the distance heard it.'' Ad-Dahhak and Qatadah said similarly.

Shakes entire planet
إِذَا رُجَّتِ الْأَرْضُ رَجًّا
When the Earth is shaken a great shacking.
The Glorious Quran chapter: 56, verse 4 (610 AD)
The huge asteroid that brings about an Extinction Level Event will hit Earth with such force that it will shake the entire planet. The impact will cause every major fault line to fail. Massive earthquakes will occur in all parts of the globe causing unimaginable destruction.
The Arabic word “رُجَّتْ” “rujjat” 1“رُجَّتْ: حُرِّكَتْ حركة شديدة وزُلْزِلَتْ” translated as “shaken” literally means "moved a strong movement and quaked.”
1- Lisan Al-Arab
Agin you're jumping to conclusions assuming that only an astroid could shake earth.
Ibn kathir:

Allah said,
[إِذَا رُجَّتِ الاٌّرْضُ رَجّاً ]
(When the earth will be shaken with a terrible shake.) meaning, it is shaken and moved violently over all of its surface and through its depths. Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Qatadah and others said about Allah's saying:,
[إِذَا رُجَّتِ الاٌّرْضُ رَجّاً ]
(When the earth will be shaken with a terrible shake.) it means "Violently shaken.'' Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said, "The earth will be shaken with all that is in it, just as a sifter is shaken with its contents.'' This is like Allah's saying:
[إِذَا زُلْزِلَتِ الاٌّرْضُ زِلْزَالَهَا ]
(When the earth is shaken with its earthquake.)(99:1) and,
[يأَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُواْ رَبَّكُمْ إِنَّ زَلْزَلَةَ السَّاعَةِ شَىْءٌ عَظِيمٌ ]
(O mankind! Have Taqwa of your Lord! Verily, the earthquake of the Hour is a terrible thing.)(22:1).

Causes massive volcanic eruptions
وَبُسَّتِ الْجِبَالُ بَسًّا
Recent research on “How Asteroids Trigger Volcanoes”1 has shown that an impact of a large asteroid and the resulting earthquakes and surface tremors will trigger volcanic eruptions around the globe. The larger the impact the larger the earthquakes causing larger cracks in the Earth’s crust that allow for an increased magma flow, resulting in more violent eruptions.
1- Dallas Abbott, Lamont-Dohrty Earth Institute and Ann Isley, State University of New York.
The Arabic word “بُسَّتِ” “bussat” 2“وَبُسَّتِ فُتِّتَتْ فَصَارَتْ كَالدَّقِيقِ”
translated as “shattered to pieces” literally means “broken down into small pieces like flour.”
2- Tafsir Al-Tabari
And the mountains are shattered to pieces.
The Glorious Quran: chapter 56, verse 5 (610 AD)
Mt. Pinatubo, Philippines 1991.
Not only asteroids can cause earthquake, another doggy tafsir.
Ibn Kathir:
Allah said:
[وَبُسَّتِ الْجِبَالُ بَسّاً ]
(And the mountains will be powdered to dust,) meaning, relentlessly pulverized. This was said by Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, `Ikrimah and Qatadah and others. Ibn Zayd said: "The mountains will become just like Allah described them,
[كَثِيباً مَّهِيلاً]
(A heap of sand poured out.)(73:14).''

Turns mountains into scattered ash
فَكَانَتْ هَبَاء مُّنبَثًّا
So they become scattered dust.
The Glorious Quran: chapter 56, verse 6 (610 AD)
Volcanic ash blanketing the town of Riobamba, Ecuador. Tungurahua, a volcano in Ecuador's Andes Mountains, unleashed a blast of lava some five miles into the sky. The eruption killed at least three people. Scientists say the volcano may erupt again.
The word “هَبَاء” “habaa” 1“والهَباءُ الغُبار” translated as “dust” 1“الهَباء التراب الذي تُطَيِّرُه الريح فتراه على وجوه الناس وجُلُودِهم وثيابهم يَلْزَقُ لُزوقاً” has the meaning of “the soil which wend blows around and then you see it on people’s faces, skin and cloths and sticks to them.” Also the Arabic word “مُّنبَثًّا” “munbatha” “وبَثَّ : فَرَّق ونَشَر” translated as “scattered” is derived from the word “batha” which literally means “separated and dispersed.”
1-Lisan Al-Arab
The very fine (like flour) particles from the numerous volcanic eruptions will be carried for many miles, settling out as a dust-like layer across the landscape. This is known as an ashfall.
Again your interpretation is not exclusive, many other dooms-day-scenarios could cause all these effects, there's no reason to believe that one explanation is more likely than the other, so for a safer tafsir; Ibn Kathir:
Allah's saying:
[فَكَانَتْ هَبَآءً مُّنبَثّاً ]
(So that they will become floating dust particles.) Abu Ishaq narrated from Al-Harith, from `Ali: "It will become like the rising dust storm that soon fades away leaving no trace of itself behind.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas about Allah's saying:
[فَكَانَتْ هَبَآءً مُّنبَثّاً ]
(So that they will become floating dust particles.) "It describes the rising embers from the fire when it is kindled, but when the embers land, they are extinguished quickly.'' `Ikrimah said, "The floating dust particles that the wind scatters all around,'' while Qatadah said,
[هَبَآءً مُّنبَثّاً]
(floating particles), "Like the dry parts of trees that the wind scatters all about.'' This Ayah is similar to several other Ayat that indicate that the mountains will be moved from their places, demolished and blown off their bases, becoming like carded wool on the Day of Resurrection.

The dust in the air from the impact and from volcanic ash will block the sunlight reducing its visibility making it look like a ball. The dramatic decrease of sunlight reaching the surface will also produces a drastic short-term global reduction in temperature, called impact winter. Plant photosynthesis stops and the food chain collapses. ...
At night the volcanic ash and smoke in the atmosphere will obscure the starlight.
Well since this builds on your previous assumption that the dust was indeed generated partially by an asteroid and partially by volcanic eruptions, your follow up is equally flawed. again it could be from that, or it could be from something completely different, We simply cannot know.

The remainder of the powerpoint is simply classical tafsir which is neutral and doesn't strengthen or weaken the asteroid-theory.
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ihijazi
10-11-2008, 08:44 PM
Alsalam Alaykum

You did not include fact that :

"Early Muslim scholars like Tabari and Qurtubi stated that the companions of Prophet Muhammad indicated that these verses are related to the first blow of the Horn, an event which will mark the end of the human race as we know it. The phrase “فَدُكَّتَا دَكَّةً وَاحِدَةً” translated as “pounded one pound” unmistakably describes the impact of a large asteroid with the Earth. The Quran calls this event Al-Waqia, The Event, and describes it in more detail in chapter 56 “Al-Waqia” “The Event” verses 1-6 (next poster)."

Please include all facts.


Best Regards,
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ihijazi
10-11-2008, 09:02 PM
Here is what Tabari Says:

فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِي الصُّورِ نَفْخَةٌ وَاحِدَةٌ

الْقَوْل فِي تَأْوِيل قَوْله تَعَالَى : { فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِي الصُّور نَفْخَة وَاحِدَة } يَقُول تَعَالَى ذِكْره : { فَإِذَا نُفِخَ فِي الصُّور } إِسْرَافِيل { نَفْخَة وَاحِدَة } وَهِيَ النَّفْخَة الْأُولَى ,


and here is what Qurtubi says:

قَالَ اِبْن عَبَّاس : هِيَ النَّفْخَة الْأُولَى لِقِيَامِ السَّاعَة , فَلَمْ يَبْقَ أَحَد إِلَّا مَاتَ

This is not reserection time.
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ihijazi
10-11-2008, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah
Selam aleykum
Again a tricky tafsir which relies on leniency of personal interpretation. again consider the alternative:
Ibn Kathir:
Allah's statement,
[خَافِضَةٌ رَّافِعَةٌ ]
(Bringing low, exalting.) indicates that Al-Waqi`ah lowers some people to the lowest parts of the Fire, even if they had been mighty in this life. It also elevates others to the highest grades in the residence of eternal delight, even if they were weak in this life. This was said by Al-Hasan, Qatadah and others. Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas:
[خَافِضَةٌ رَّافِعَةٌ ]
(Bringing low, exalting), "It made the near and the far hear it,'' while `Ikrimah said, "It lowered, and thus those who were close heard it, and elevated, and thus those in the distance heard it.'' Ad-Dahhak and Qatadah said similarly.

Alsalam Alaykum,

According to other Sahaba like Ibn Abbass and other Islamic scholars theses events are related to the “Alsaa” ”The Hour” and not “Albath” “The Resurrection”. someone did tafseer based on his opinion and therefore one of them will go to the Hill fire.

Best Regards,
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ihijazi
10-11-2008, 10:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah
Selam aleykum
This is wrong Astronomers do not predict that earth will be hit by an asteroid that will destroy us all. So far we haven't tracked an asteroid that is heading to collision with earth so there's no way to predict that with astronomy. They simply consider it possible, that doesn't mean they are sure that it will happen.

Asteroid hits Earth... Good news: Scientists predicted it. Bad News: Only six hours before it burst into our atmosphere

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...tmosphere.html
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Abdul Fattah
10-11-2008, 11:51 PM
Selam aleykum

format_quote Originally Posted by ihijazi
You did not include fact that:...
I did include it!
The phrase “فَدُكَّتَا دَكَّةً وَاحِدَةً” translated as “pounded one pound” unmistakably describes the impact of a large asteroid with the Earth.
How can you claim that this "unmistakably" refers to a large asteroid? Are asteroids the only things that can "pound"? I think this interpretation as plausible as you may think it is, can very well be mistaken! Again, the tafsir given in the powerpoint is a very dangerous form of tafsir.

Tafsir ibn kathir: (69:13-15) [وَحُمِلَتِ الاٌّرْضُ وَالْجِبَالُ فَدُكَّتَا دَكَّةً وَحِدَةً ]
(And the earth and the mountains shall be removed from their places, and crushed with a single crushing.) meaning, they will be stretched out to the extent of the surface (of the earth) and the earth will change into something else other than the earth.
According to other Sahaba like Ibn Abbass and other Islamic scholars theses events are related to the “Alsaa” ”The Hour” and not “Albath” “The Resurrection”. someone did tafseer based on his opinion and therefore one of them will go to the Hill fire.
I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Are you mocking me because I'm warning you so much for tafsir by opinion? Is this a joke to you?

Asteroid hits Earth... Good news: Scientists predicted it. Bad News: Only six hours before it burst into our atmosphere
Yes but this one didn't destroy the earth. I said:
"Astronomers do not predict that earth will be hit by an asteroid that will destroy us all."
You linked to an article of a predicted asteroid that did not destroy us all, so my counter-argument still stands.
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alcurad
10-12-2008, 12:15 AM
brother ihijazi, the moment the horn is blown, the day of judgment begins. it doesn't matter what happens to the earth afterwords, since all humans would be dead at the blowing of the horn. and the resurrection is part of the day of judgment, not seperate.
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ihijazi
10-12-2008, 12:20 AM
Alsalam Alaykum,

No, and I will soon give you a detailed response on the topic of "Tafsir by Opinion".


Best Regards,
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Woodrow
10-12-2008, 12:29 AM
What do we know?

Very little. We can only be certain of knowing, that there is much we do not know. We all have opinions, they may even be correct, but they are still opinions and can not be considered tasfir even tho they seem to be in agreement with the Qur'an and or Ahadeeth.

Let us all be cautious of expressing our opinions as tasfir or fact. It is best to quote only what is written and allow the individual reader to find accurate tasfir from a scholar or other valid source.
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ihijazi
10-12-2008, 06:33 AM
Alsalam Alaykum,

As Muslims we believe that the Quran is the final revelation from Allah (God) and the greatest miracle given to our Prophet and Messenger Muhammad, Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him (ABPUH). We also believe that Prophet Muhammad (ABPUH) was the final Messenger sent to all mankind and the Quran will continue to be a source of miracles until the end of time. The Glorious Quran consists of 114 chapters (surahs) each containing a varying number of verses (ayat). The meanings and interpretations of many of these verses are either straight forward or well documented in the Sunnah literature. A few verses are classified as allegorical (mutshabhat), and we are forbidden to interpret them, since their meanings are only known to Allah. The remaining verses were left open to the interpretations of the Muslims, and are the source of the Quran’s continuous miracles. Within these verses are words, phrases and meanings related to Allah’s creation in the fields of astronomy, geology, embryology, botany, entomology, archeology, biology, etc. The meanings and interpretations of these verses will vary according to the knowledge of the time, until scientific ideas become well established facts. Science has advanced dramatically in the last 1400 years, and some of the scientific disciplines did not exist even a few hundred years ago. Therefore, we should expect to find great variations in the interpretations of many of these verses found in the old Quranic interpretation literature such as Tafsir: Al-Tabari, Qurtubi and Ibn-Kathir. As science advances Muslims must reinterpret these verses in light of modern knowledge. The reinterpretation must include a carful review of previous interpretations, a correct understanding of the origins and meanings of the Arabic words and phrases, the verses’ relationship to other Quranic verses and an in-depth understanding of the scientific findings. If we do not reinterpret these verses, and we remain with the interpretations of the past, we would have, in effect, eliminated a major source of Quranic miracles.

Best Regards,
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SixTen
10-12-2008, 10:31 AM
This is wrong Astronomers do not predict that earth will be hit by an asteroid that will destroy us all. So far we haven't tracked an asteroid that is heading to collision with earth so there's no way to predict that with astronomy. They simply consider it possible, that doesn't mean they are sure that it will happen.
That is true, evolutionists do believe that statistically, humans would be extinct by the time another asteroid hits us. I believe scientists, consdering the time, do believe an asteroid will "inevitably" end up hitting Earth, although unlikely to be the cause of the human race to be deceased. So your post is correct, the brother looked way into it and overlooked a huge detail - that is - the scientists don't even believe humans would exist to see the day if and when an asteroid hits Earth.
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Abdul Fattah
10-12-2008, 11:57 AM
Selam aleykum

format_quote Originally Posted by ihijazi
The meanings and interpretations of many of these verses are either straight forward or well documented in the Sunnah literature. A few verses are classified as allegorical (mutshabhat), and we are forbidden to interpret them, since their meanings are only known to Allah. The remaining verses were left open to the interpretations of the Muslims, and are the source of the Quran’s continuous miracles.
Brother that is just plain wrong. Personal interpretation is not allowed for any verse! You must always have some source, even for the third kind of verses.

Within these verses are words, phrases and meanings related to Allah’s creation in the fields of astronomy, geology, embryology, botany, entomology, archeology, biology, etc. The meanings and interpretations of these verses will vary according to the knowledge of the time, until scientific ideas become well established facts. Science has advanced dramatically in the last 1400 years, and some of the scientific disciplines did not exist even a few hundred years ago.
Well scientific findings do not always provide a guarantee. And the cases of the tafsir you presented are as such. Just because we know understand the scientific possibility of an asteroid hitting earth, and the ramifications of it, does not give us a guarantee that Allah subhana wa ta'ala will indeed use this method for the day of resurrection. So in this case your scientific findings provide no guarantee once soever; and the tafsir is by mere personal opinion, which is haram.

If we do not reinterpret these verses, and we remain with the interpretations of the past, we would have, in effect, eliminated a major source of Quranic miracles.
Well that does not seem like a big deal to me, far more dangerous is the possibility of fabricating false miracles, which the later will inevitably be falsified and may turn people away from Islam! And if you look at Sites like the one from Harun Yahya, you can find dozens of these fabricated miracles based on doggy science, bad linguistically interpretation and, mere opinion. And it's very sad, because it takes away the spotlight from the genuine miracles that are also mentioned on that page. There is a reason that tafsir is limited to certain rules, and no matter what amount of knowledge we potentially miss out on, we should still respect those rules, end of story.
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ihijazi
10-12-2008, 05:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by SixTen
That is true, evolutionists do believe that statistically, humans would be extinct by the time another asteroid hits us. I believe scientists, consdering the time, do believe an asteroid will "inevitably" end up hitting Earth, although unlikely to be the cause of the human race to be deceased. So your post is correct, the brother looked way into it and overlooked a huge detail - that is - the scientists don't even believe humans would exist to see the day if and when an asteroid hits Earth.
Alsalam Alaykum,

Please read this:

It is not science fiction -- but science for real -- part of a panel in San Francisco, presented by David Morrison, of NASA Ames and retired astronaut Rusty Schweikart. Both urge increased funding to locate such objects 100 years out, and also for a plan to deal with them.

David Morrison, NASA Astrobiologist: "The impactor that did in the dinosaurs was about ten miles across."
Not to sound alarmist, but ask any astronomer -- they'll say it's not a matter of if, but when. Maybe not in this lifetime -- but stretched over ten human generations, you would not like the odds.

or visit:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...cal&id=5042123


Best Regards,
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Abdul Fattah
10-12-2008, 09:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ihijazi
Alsalam Alaykum,

Please read this:

It is not science fiction -- but science for real -- part of a panel in San Francisco, presented by David Morrison, of NASA Ames and retired astronaut Rusty Schweikart. Both urge increased funding to locate such objects 100 years out, and also for a plan to deal with them.

David Morrison, NASA Astrobiologist: "The impactor that did in the dinosaurs was about ten miles across."
Not to sound alarmist, but ask any astronomer -- they'll say it's not a matter of if, but when. Maybe not in this lifetime -- but stretched over ten human generations, you would not like the odds.

or visit:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...cal&id=5042123
Selam aleykum,
That are just reporters who are looking for readers by sensational titles. As long as we have not tracked an asteroid on course to collide with earth, we simply don't know! Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't. My point was, and has always been, that it is not certain. The article contradicts itself, first it implies it is certain, but then again it talks of "odds". I'm afraid you have been mislead by taking their words to literary.
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