water from between the ribs and chest?

[themuffinman]

i was listening to the recitation of the quran today and i forgot which surah but it was the 30th sipara/para/juz/chapter well anyway i remember hearing a verse something along the lines of how man is born it said we are born from water from between the back and chest? can sum1 please clarify or is the translation wrong? the translations were in urdu

[Ayesha Rana]

It is referred to in surah Tariq ayah 5-7:
5. So let man see from what he is created!
6. He is created from a water gushing forth,
7. Proceeding between the backbone and the ribs.

It's talking about the sperm in a mans body.

[themuffinman]

yeah i know it talks abt sperm, but isnt sperm produced in the lower reigon? o,0

[Abdu-l-Majeed]

Yes, akhi, the translation is wrong.

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=2602

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[themuffinman]

thank you so much for that =D i knew it mustv been error in the translation in urdu

[Zamtsa]

The translation which is right is between the ribs and the spinal cord right, because Allahu Ta'ala actually talk about the aorta which produces things which gonna be sperm.


assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

[Confused0122]

yea i was wondering that too.. christians are using it against us saying that the prophet s.a.w. said: "As for the resemblance of the child to its parents; if a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets a discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets her discharge first, the child will resemble her." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Number 546) SO The non muslims are saying that the prophet s.a.w. suggested that women have sperm too, and that's scientifically incorrect.. but seriously, can somebody explain this hadith? How does a child resemble someone because of that.

[- Qatada -]

yea i was wondering that too.. christians are using it against us saying that the prophet s.a.w. said: "As for the resemblance of the child to its parents; if a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets a discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets her discharge first, the child will resemble her." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Number 546) SO The non muslims are saying that the prophet s.a.w. suggested that women have sperm too, and that's scientifically incorrect.. but seriously, can somebody explain this hadith? How does a child resemble someone because of that.

:salamext:

Read it carefully, please.

Question: I came across a statement in the Sunnah wherein the Prophet (peace be upon him) says: “Yes indeed. A man’s fluid is thick and white and a women’s fluid is thin and yellow. Whichever of the two ejaculates first will be the one the child would resemble.” Does a woman does actually ejaculate? And isn’t resemblance based on genetic make-up and not on which partner ejaculates first?

Answered by Sheikh Sulaymân al-`Îsâ, professor at al-Imâm University in Riyadh

This is an important question requiring a detailed answer.

The first part of the question regards whether a woman releases a fluid during sexual intercourse the same as a man does. We say if the hadîth is authentic, then it is true and it should be accepted. The hadîth you have mentioned is related in Sahîh Muslim and is of undoubted authenticity.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) states in the hadîth that women has a fluid that is thin and yellow.

Allah says about his Prophet (peace be upon him): “Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire, it is no less than inspiration sent down to him” [Sûrah al-Najm: 3-4]

This issue was discussed by Dr. Muhammad `Ali al-Bârr in his book Human Creation between Medicine and the Qur’an under the heading “Does the woman release a fluid” (page 149).

He writes:

This had been a matter of disagreement. Sheikh al-Fakhr al-Râzî in his wonderful book, al-Mabâhith al-Mashriqiyyah, mentions that Aristotle denied that women have a fluid. Then Galen, the prominent Greek doctor strongly criticized Aristotle for that and proved that women have a fluid that differs in its nature from the fluid of men. It does not come out as an ejaculation but flows on the member and is a white moisture.

Al-Râzî then mentions that Umm Sulaym came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allah, Allah does not shy from the truth. Must a woman have a bath if she has has a sexual release while sleeping?”

He replied: “Yes, if she sees the fluid.” [Sahîh Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

The release of fluid from woman’s vagina is something natural. It takes place during sexual intercourse or while sleeping. It is obligatory for her to have a bath thereafter. During sexual intercourse the woman’s fluid mixes with the man’s.

Dr. al-Bârr continues:

The woman releases two types of fluid. The first is a sticky fluid that flows inside her vagina and has nothing to do with the creation of the fetus. The second is a liquid that is released at a single occasion from the Graafian follicle in the ovary when the follicle is full of a yellow liquid.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The man’s fluid is white and woman’s is yellow.”

Turning our attention to the child resembling one of its parents, this is also confirmed by the prophetic hadîth. The child may sometimes resemble his father, his mother, one of his uncles, his grandparents, or he may closely resemble none of them.

Dr. Muhammad al-Bârr, in the same book (page 164) writes:

In brief, the factors governing the child’s resembling one parent, grandparent, or even coming with new attributes that do not belong to any of his relatives – like what happened at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) when al-Farâzî’s wife gave birth to a black baby while none of their relatives were black – is a very complicated matter. Genetics plays a very complicated role. Some of these genes follow the Mendelian model with respect to dominant and recessive genes and others do not.

Even those genes that submit to such laws might at times not act in accordance with those laws. The gene may or may not be fully expressed.

Modern medicine is still ignorant of many of the determining factors that bring about how much a child will resemble either of its parents. Until now, we do not know the role that may be played by the release of one fluid before the other in how the child will resemble one of his parents. Until and unless this is decisively determined in the future, we have no other choice but to simply believe what our Prophet (peace be upon him) said. He does not say anything except the truth.

In fact, this should encourage medical scholars to investigate these matters and discover new things.

I have given you the answer of Dr. Muhammad al-Bârr, because this is an important issue and I found his answer to be sufficient.

We have to believe in what Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) tell us. We are certain of the fact that Allah says: “Of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you.” [Sûrah al-Isrâ’: 85]

And Allah knows best.

http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...main_cat_id=31

[Confused0122]

Jazak Allah brother

[mazhar_majhu]

that was knowlegeble.......
Jazakallah khair

[Zamtsa]

the X Chromosom belongs to male, when it becomes dominant over the Y Chromosom of female, then when the Chromosom become XX then the child will be man, and when XY then the child will be a girl. So Rasulullah said that they are beating to each other or dominating to each other.


Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

[Whatsthepoint]

the X Chromosom belongs to male, when it becomes dominant over the Y Chromosom of female, then when the Chromosom become XX then the child will be man, and when XY then the child will be a girl. So Rasulullah said that they are beating to each other or dominating to each other.


Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

That's not what the hadith says. It clearly states that timing is a factor.
btw, its XY for males and XX for females.

[Zamtsa]

Yes, XY become male and XX become female. There is a similar Hadits than that, the one discharge first will dominate the next, that's what the scientist haven't found before the 21st century.
X are females chromosom and Y male chromosom.

Don't forget that when you see a similar Hadits then you'll see that word "dominating" as the explanation of the whole process, not about part of the process.

Assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

[Whatsthepoint]

Yes, XY become male and XX become female. There is a similar Hadits than that, the one discharge first will dominate the next, that's what the scientist haven't found before the 21st century.
X are females chromosom and Y male chromosom.

No they haven't. The timing of orgasm has nothing to do with whether the baby will be a boy or a girl or to whom it will resemble, at least according to available data.

[Zamtsa]

Change the word there of discharge into Hadits found in other Sanad, it told about when the male's dominating the female's (it's about Chromosom) then the baby will be male. And when the female's dominating the male's, the baby will be female.

For you to know that this result of research existed and strengthen Al Hadits which was already having Shahih Isnad and content into strengthening the fact that Rasulullah was giving a sign of his prophethood.

The dominating of male and female's happen when the sperm enter the Ovum. It's what the scientist of 21st century had found.
Kafir scientists not Muslims, the Muslim scientists only quoting.

[Whatsthepoint]

Change the word there of discharge into Hadits found in other Sanad, it told about when the male's dominating the female's (it's about Chromosom) then the baby will be male. And when the female's dominating the male's, the baby will be female.

For you to know that this result of research existed and strengthen Al Hadits which was already having Shahih Isnad and content into strengthening the fact that Rasulullah was giving a sign of his prophethood.

The dominating of male and female's happen when the sperm enter the Ovum. It's what the scientist of 21st century had found.
Kafir scientists not Muslims, the Muslim scientists only quoting.

1. Why should I change any words? This hadith says timing is a factor. why does it say that?
2. It's not about whose chromosomes dominate whose, what matters is whether the sperm cell was X or Y. If its X that doesn't mean the female chromosomes dominate, and if its Y it doesn't mean the male chromosomes dominate.

[Zamtsa]

I have found similar Hadits with different Isnad (that's what I mean in the earlier post), that Rasulullah used the word "beat," the male's sperm "beat," of that of women's, so it will become male a baby, but if women's beat the sperm, then the baby will become female.
This Hadits is wellknown.

Agnostic means that there isn't any religion which is above others, now what is Agnostic in Islamic term? It was named Nifaq or Zindiqah. You know that spirituality is started with Heresy (Bid'ah) and end in Hypocrisy (Nifaq) become Munafiqin.

Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the guidance).

[Whatsthepoint]

I have found similar Hadits with different Isnad (that's what I mean in the earlier post), that Rasulullah used the word "beat," the male's sperm "beat," of that of women's, so it will become male a baby, but if women's beat the sperm, then the baby will become female.
This Hadits is wellknown.

Ok, show me the hadiths.
Though, as I said, women have nothing to do with it.

[themuffinman]

the point was already clarified. and once again proven that allah and his messenger know best. so thread should be closed

[Whatsthepoint]

the point was already clarified. and once again proven that allah and his messenger know best. so thread should be closed

No it wasn't.
Besides, this one is Bukhari, arguably the most reliable hadith collection of them all.

[Zamtsa]

1. Why should I change any words? This hadith says timing is a factor. why does it say that?
2. It's not about whose chromosomes dominate whose, what matters is whether the sperm cell was X or Y. If its X that doesn't mean the female chromosomes dominate, and if its Y it doesn't mean the male chromosomes dominate.

Wife have something with it. When the Y chromosom dominate then it will become XY, resulted in that the baby gonna be a boy.
When the X chromosom (belong to the wife) dominate then it will become XX, resulted that the baby gonna be a girl.


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the right guidance).

[Whatsthepoint]

Wife have something with it. When the Y chromosom dominate then it will become XY, resulted in that the baby gonna be a boy.
When the X chromosom (belong to the wife) dominate then it will become XX, resulted that the baby gonna be a girl.


Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the right guidance).

Wive's X doesn't dominate even if it's a girl.

[Zamtsa]

Wive's X doesn't dominate even if it's a girl.

That's your opinion, offcourse your entitle to it.

Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the guidance).

[Whatsthepoint]

That's your opinion, offcourse your entitle to it.

Assalamu manit taba'al huda (May peace be upon who follow the guidance).

eh...
Just show me the hadiths that actually mention any of this.