Assyrian language

[north_malaysian]

Can anybody tell me what the language used by the Assyrians? I've heard one Assyrian + Arabic song and I cant figured out the meaning of the Assyrian part.. it sounded Arabic but I dont know what the heck it was...

[Woodrow]

I do not believe anybody speaks Assyrian anymore, that was the ancient language for the people in the Ethiopia region of today. The current languages commonly spoken there are:

Amharic, English, Tigrigna

There are also at least 80 tribal languages spoken on local levels. But, since you say it sounds like Arabic I would tend to believe the language you are speaking of is

[north_malaysian]

I do not believe anybody speaks Assyrian anymore, that was the ancient language for the people in the Ethiopia region of today. The current languages commonly spoken there are:

Amharic, English, Tigrigna

There are also at least 80 tribal languages spoken on local levels. But, since you say it sounds like Arabic I would tend to believe the language you are speaking of is

Ethiopia? Actually, the Assyrian I'm talking are those of Iraq... if I'm not mistaken in Arabic they refer to themselves as "Ashur" (آشور)

[north_malaysian]

an Assyrian song lyrics i've got from youtube

Hal Eman hatkha bet hoyan
Bshemokh bezmara...
Souguli mokheba qati lewit btkhara
Lenwa homnta bkha leba qati ya mara
Shwiqlokh qati bkhasha gowra Dayem bimara

Btalban mn marya dkhayoukh, parqi mn da dora
Khazyanokh ttielya bshinta khareta tama

Khoban oh gora dakhi monshilokh?
Shewqlokh yakhsier hich la khumilokh

Qoulan khelya ati bkha khabra mushrilokh
Halt seuli at zalima qati wilokh
Prishlukh mni aten ya khayen ya khora
Shwiqlokh qati bkhasha gowra

Dayem bimara
Btalban mn marya dkhayoukh, parqi mn da dora
Khazyanokh ttielya bshinta khareta tama

Khzi ana eka peshli o khzi ate eka!!!
Tliqlan go daha Donyeh... Donyeh nokhreta
Ta qarben kesli mokheba wodli kha chara
Hal eman ana o aten btawakh Bdara???
Qa dan youmane khelyeh shwiqlan la baraa

Hatkha o hamasha o dayem Btoyan bemara
Btalban mn marya dkhayoukh, parqi mn da dora
Khazyanokh ttielya bshinta khareta tama
Btalban mn marya dkhayoukh, parqi mn da dora
Khazyanokh ttielya bshinta khareta tama

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[Woodrow]

I was about 3,000 years off course. The people you speak of are also Assyrians more properly called neo-Syriac today. The language is either Aramaic or Syrian Arabic. I believe you would understand the syrian Arabic, so I suspect it is Aramaic, which sounds very Arabic and does have some Arabic words.

[north_malaysian]

Oh Aramaic... the language of our prophet Jesus...

it sounds like "Levantine Arabic" but it's not Arabic... I could only figure out the meaning like only 1% of it...:blind: Maybe a native Lebanese/Syrian can further explain on the similarities of Aramaic and their dialect...

Thanks, uncle woodrow...:D

[Silver]

Maybe a native Lebanese/Syrian can further explain on the similarities of Aramaic and their dialect...

Aramaic was used by the maronites (catholics) in Lebanon and Syria before the islamic Fath. There are still a lot of priests who can speak aramaic. I think it is still spoken in a few villages.
The arabic we speak in Lebanon: levantine arabic still retains some aramaic words.

I know some words that are similar:
1-Eelah and Al-Eelah or Allah (God)
2-Yeshoo and Yassoo (Jesus)
2-Sloota and Salat (prayer)
3- Deena and Deen (religion)
4- Telmeetha and Telmeez (disciple)
5- Mar and Mar (saint)
6- Saname and Sanam (idol)
7- Aboona and Aboona (Father, priest)
8- Sahdoota and Shahada (martyrdom)
9- Khteeta and Khteeyeh (sin)
10- Jehennem and Jhannam (hell)

[north_malaysian]

Aramaic was used by the maronites (catholics) in Lebanon and Syria before the islamic Fath. There are still a lot of priests who can speak aramaic. I think it is still spoken in a few villages.
The arabic we speak in Lebanon: levantine arabic still retains some aramaic words.

I know some words that are similar:
1-Eelah and Al-Eelah or Allah (God)
2-Yeshoo and Yassoo (Jesus)
2-Sloota and Salat (prayer)
3- Deena and Deen (religion)
4- Telmeetha and Telmeez (disciple)
5- Mar and Mar (saint)
6- Saname and Sanam (idol)
7- Aboona and Aboona (Father, priest)
8- Sahdoota and Shahada (martyrdom)
9- Khteeta and Khteeyeh (sin)
10- Jehennem and Jhannam (hell)

oooh... thanks for the explanation Lara... But are those Maronites, Arabs or Assyrians? I knew that there are many Assyrians living in Iraq, Iran and Turkey... do you have Assyrians living in Lebanon?

[north_malaysian]

I just knew that currently in accordance to Assyrian calendar, it's year 6758!!! Whoa... they're very...very...old community

[Silver]

But are those Maronites, Arabs or Assyrians?

Well, maronites were already living in Lebanon before the arabization of the country. Many consider themselves arabs and many don't and are offended when they are called arabs because they consider themselves superior to arabs.:confused::confused:
They're not assyrians, they call themselves Phoenicians.
But actually noone in Lebanon is a pure "Arab". We have phoenician, canaanite, crusader, arab, turkish descent...but since we speak arabic, most of us identify ourselves as arabs.

[Fishman]

I do not believe anybody speaks Assyrian anymore, that was the ancient language for the people in the Ethiopia region of today. The current languages commonly spoken there are:

Amharic, English, Tigrigna

There are also at least 80 tribal languages spoken on local levels. But, since you say it sounds like Arabic I would tend to believe the language you are speaking of is

:sl:
You may be confusing it with Abyssinian or something.
:w:

[north_malaysian]

Well, maronites were already living in Lebanon before the arabization of the country. Many consider themselves arabs and many don't and are offended when they are called arabs because they consider themselves superior to arabs.:confused::confused:
They're not assyrians, they call themselves Phoenicians.
But actually noone in Lebanon is a pure "Arab". We have phoenician, canaanite, crusader, arab, turkish descent...but since we speak arabic, most of us identify ourselves as arabs.

do Arabs considered non-Arabs who speak Arabic as Arabs?... I wonder why Comoros, Djibouti and Somalia are in Arab League?

[Silver]

do Arabs considered non-Arabs who speak Arabic as Arabs?... I wonder why Comoros, Djibouti and Somalia are in Arab League?

The lebanese are considered arabs because most lebanese do have arab descent and speak arabic and Lebanon was under arab rule. According to the lebanese constitution Lebanon is an arab country.
I don't know about Somalia Djibouti and the Comoros because the people there have african origins and don't even speak arabic so I have no idea why they are in the arab league. Besides Comoros is geographically so far away from the arab countries...so I dunno.

[north_malaysian]

The lebanese are considered arabs because most lebanese do have arab descent and speak arabic and Lebanon was under arab rule. According to the lebanese constitution Lebanon is an arab country.
I don't know about Somalia Djibouti and the Comoros because the people there have african origins and don't even speak arabic so I have no idea why they are in the arab league. Besides Comoros is geographically so far away from the arab countries...so I dunno.

In my country, there are about 500,000 Arabs who are considered as "Malays" under the Federal Constitution because all Muslims who habitually speak Malay Language are considered as "Malays". Most of Malaysian Arabs (about 80% of them) are originated from Hadhramawt region in Yemen, and 99% of them are no longer speaking in Arabic. The remaining are originated from Hejaz, Iraq and Egypt.

And most of Malaysian Malays have Arab ancestry, in fact many Malay scholars claiming that all Malaysian Malays have Yemeni ancestry...

Famous Malaysians of Arab descent

1) Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor Al Masrie (Egyptian origin) - astronaut and surgeon.
2) Datuk Shake (Yemeni origin) - singer
3) Azalina Othman (Yemeni origin) - minister of youth and sports
4) Ning Baizura (Yemeni origin) - singer, actress
5) Syed Sheh Hassan Barakbah (Yemeni origin) - Governor of Penang
6) Syed Sheh Abdullah Shahabudin (Yemeni origin) - Governor of Penang
7) Sharifah Rodziah Barakbah (Yemeni origin) - 1st First Lady of Malaysia
8) Zara Salim Davidson (Yemeni origin) - wife of Perak's Crown Prince
9) Sharifah Amani Al Yahya (Yemeni origin) - actress
10) Tuanku Syed Sirajuddin Jamalullail (Yemeni origin) - King of Perlis
11) Tuanku Syed Putra Jamalullail (Yemeni origin) - King of Perlis
12) Tuanku Syed Mahmud Jamalullail (Yemeni origin) - King of Perlis
13) Tuanku Syed Hamzah Alwi Jamalullail (Yemeni origin) - King of Perlis
14) Tuanku Syed Hamzah Jamalullail (Yemeni origin) - King of Perlis
15) Syed Adney Syed Hussein (Yemeni origin) - footballer
16) Syed Thajudeen (Yemeni origin) - painter
17) Munshi Abdullah (Yemeni origin) - author, translator
18) Syed Hussein Al-Attas (Yemeni origin) - politician
19) Syed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas (Yemeni origin) - Historian
20) Syed Hamid Albar (Yemeni origin) - Home Minister
21) Syed Jaafar Albar (Yemeni origin) - politician
22) Syarif Masahor (Yemeni origin) - Fighter against British colonisation
23) Syed Mokhtar Al Bukhary (Yemeni origin) - Billionaire
24) Syed Nasir Ismail (Yemeni origin) - Speaker of Parliament
25) Joe Hasham (Lebanese origin) - actor
26) Betty Banafe (Yemeni origin) - actress, singer
27) Burhanuddin Helmi (Yemeni origin) - Islamist
28) Meor Abdul Rahman (Yemeni origin) - Martial artist
29) Nur Lydia Ibtisam (Egyptian origin) - Actress
30) Osman Aroff (Yemeni origin) - Chief Minister of Kedah
31) Syed Nahar Syed Sheh Shahabuddin (Yemeni origin) - Chief Minister of Kedah
32) Syed Razak Barakbah (Yemeni origin) - Chief Minister of Kedah
33) Radzi Sheikh Ahmad (Yemeni origin) - Home Minister
34) Sharifah Aini (Yemeni origin) - singer, actress
35) Sharifah Mazlina Syed Abdul Kadir (Yemeni origin) - first Asian woman crossing the Antarctic, lecturer
36) Sheikh Muhammad Tahir Jalaluddin (Hejazi origin) - Islamic scholar
37) Hamdan Sheikh Tahir (Hejazi origin) - Governor of Penang
38) Syed Ahmad Al Hadi (Yemeni origin) - Islamic scholar
39) SM Salim Al Mahros (Yemeni origin) - singer
40) Syed Abdullah Al Edrus (Yemeni origin) - author
41) Syed Ahmad Idid (Yemeni origin) - High Court Judge
42) Syed Azizi Syed Abdul Aziz (Yemeni origin) - anti-government blogger
43) Zeti Akhtar Aziz (Yemeni origin) - Governor of Malaysia's National Bank
44) Imad Al Khair (Lebanese singer) - nasheed singer, calligrapher

[Fishman]

The lebanese are considered arabs because most lebanese do have arab descent and speak arabic and Lebanon was under arab rule. According to the lebanese constitution Lebanon is an arab country.
I don't know about Somalia Djibouti and the Comoros because the people there have african origins and don't even speak arabic so I have no idea why they are in the arab league. Besides Comoros is geographically so far away from the arab countries...so I dunno.

:sl:
When you say 'most Lebanese do have Arab descent' do you mean they moved there during the original Muslim conquest or are they just Arabised Romans?
:w:

[north_malaysian]

:sl:
When you say 'most Lebanese do have Arab descent' do you mean they moved there during the original Muslim conquest or are they just Arabised Romans?
:w:

Intermarriage... It's normal in many Muslim nations...

[Fishman]

Intermarriage... It's normal in many Muslim nations...

:sl:
But surely there weren't enough Arabs in Arabia back then to go round all the Egpytians, Lebanese Syrians etc? Plus they mainly stayed Christian for the first few hundred years, and many of the Muslim Arabs probably wouldn't want to marry outside Islam.
:w:

[north_malaysian]

:sl:
But surely there weren't enough Arabs in Arabia back then to go round all the Egpytians, Lebanese Syrians etc? Plus they mainly stayed Christian for the first few hundred years, and many of the Muslim Arabs probably wouldn't want to marry outside Islam.
:w:

well... have to think about that too... but, hey...Muslims naturally multiply quickly like rabbits

[Silver]

When you say 'most Lebanese do have Arab descent' do you mean they moved there during the original Muslim conquest or are they just Arabised Romans?

Both: Some moved here during the Fath and others became arabised through marriage, they learned arabic and converted to Islam.

[Silver]

But surely there weren't enough Arabs in Arabia back then to go round all the Egpytians, Lebanese Syrians etc? Plus they mainly stayed Christian for the first few hundred years, and many of the Muslim Arabs probably wouldn't want to marry outside Islam.

Some christians converted, many remained christians. Some married arabs... it didn't happen overnight, it took time. Just a few decades ago, the majority of the lebanese were christians, now 70% of the population are muslims.

[north_malaysian]

Some christians converted, many remained christians. Some married arabs... it didn't happen overnight, it took time. Just a few decades ago, the majority of the lebanese were christians, now 70% of the population are muslims.

and there is a very big Christian Lebanese community outside Lebanon, especially in Brazil (I've heard it's like 10,000,000 of them there)

[Silver]

and there is a very big Christian Lebanese community outside Lebanon, especially in Brazil (I've heard it's like 10,000,000 of them there)

Yes...there are about 10 000 000 people of lebanese descent outside Lebanon, they're not all christians though. A lot of them left Lebanon, in the 19th century and WWI...

[malayloveislam]

I think Finniqis are the Amelechites. They were idol worshipers and their religion had reached Arabs in Mecca before prophet Muhammad was born. I heard that Orthodox Jew prayers too sounds like Arabic prayers. Those in Iraq call themselves Kaldani (Chaldean).

source: www.middleeastinfo.org

[north_malaysian]

Yes...there are about 10 000 000 people of lebanese descent outside Lebanon, they're not all christians though. A lot of them left Lebanon, in the 19th century and WWI...

I have a question, do the Lebanese Sunnis and Lebanese Shi'is consider the Lebanese Druzes as Muslims?

[malayloveislam]

Assyrian month is almost the same with Arabic month used in Syria and Lebanon, I just realized that. I'm not sure whether I transcribed them correctly.

Kanun Qaraaya: January (Arabic, Qanun Thaani)
Shavad: February (Sabaath)
Aadar: March (Aazar)
Nisaan: April (Niisaan)
Yaar: May (Ayyaar)
Khaziiran: June (7aziraan)
Tammuuz: July (Tammuuz)
Tdaabaakh: August (Aab)
Eilul: September (Ailul)
Tishrin Qamaya: October (Tishrin Awwal)
Tishrin Kharaya: November (Tishrin Thani)
Kanun Qamaya: December (Qanuun Awwal)