Turkey Joining the Eu, Yay or Nay?

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Basically i wana hear primaraly what the Turks have to say about it. and then everyone else. :P

PS. list your reasons.
 
Your options had no middle ground..and I know you did that on purpose.

I said yay! for a few reasons. But before I list them, I just have to say that it will never happen...ever.

1. Turkey will have to reach utmost democratic normalness before they are accepted. This means that all stupid laws will be removed...like Article 301 and perhaps even the hijab law, environmental laws etc etc etc.

2. Turkey will be the first ever muslim populated nation to become a key player in modern western international affairs.

3. Turkey will be in more of a limelight so the governing and opposing parties will stop being cows and start doing their jobs.

4. Maybe someone will give them a lesson on what secularism is and how it is mean to be implemented.

why it wont ever happen:

1. Turkey will never become a democracy by western social and political standards. ever.

2. Turkey is too busy fighting its own people and its regional enemies to stop and focus on 'flourishing' the nation.

3. Turks will never accept the Armenian 'genocide'.
 
Btw...i took 'yay' as meaning Turkey SHOULD join the EU...not that they WILL join the EU.

Yes, I am Turkish.
 
sevgi said:
Your options had no middle ground..and I know you did that on purpose.

I said yay! for a few reasons. But before I list them, I just have to say that it will never happen...ever.

1. Turkey will have to reach utmost democratic normalness before they are accepted. This means that all stupid laws will be removed...like Article 301 and perhaps even the hijab law, environmental laws etc etc etc.

2. Turkey will be the first ever muslim populated nation to become a key player in modern western international affairs.

3. Turkey will be in more of a limelight so the governing and opposing parties will stop being cows and start doing their jobs.

4. Maybe someone will give them a lesson on what secularism is and how it is mean to be implemented.

why it wont ever happen:

1. Turkey will never become a democracy by western social and political standards. ever.

2. Turkey is too busy fighting its own people and its regional enemies to stop and focus on 'flourishing' the nation.

3. Turks will never accept the Armenian 'genocide'.
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3 questions.
1. DO you think continental European attitudes towards turks will play a role in the eventual entry or rejection. Or is it all real politic?
2. Some people have commented that Europe needs turkey, specifically its army in order to be able to be a superpower on the world stage. Is it possible for Eu to ignore some "issues" and just get turkey for that reason?
3. If its not possible, then why is AKP pushing it? real politic or stupidity?
 
Pomak said:
3 questions.
1. DO you think continental European attitudes towards turks will play a role in the eventual entry or rejection. Or is it all real politic?
2. Some people have commented that Europe needs turkey, specifically its army in order to be able to be a superpower on the world stage. Is it possible for Eu to ignore some "issues" and just get turkey for that reason?
3. If its not possible, then why is AKP pushing it? real politic or stupidity?
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1. Derr? Lol..yes. I think that the EU is aware of the fact that their decisions that might upset the Continental Europeans and create grounds for public uprise. Playing politics through the eyes of the public is today's 'real politic'. (to me anyway)

2. Anything is a possiblity. But, no. The EU may need Turkey's military and will be at an insane advantage if they have the geographical exceptionalism of Turkey. But, bringing in answer 1. and also stating that the EU does not need the military and geographic advantage of a nation who is at war with citizens and people within its own borders. If the EU wanted Turkey to utilise some of Eatern Turkey, perhaps, for economic development or something...can you imagine what will happen??? Kurds will go nuts and rebel. Turks will die. Kurds will hence die. Armenians will be like "we want that land coz it is really ours coz you commited genocide on us but now you have given the land to the EU for your own economic advantage"................

3. Who said the AK party were pushing it. Look. Erdogan is a smart smart smart man. He knows what issues to preoccupy the nation and the media with and he knows how to do it good. If you look at all that this party has achieved, I highly believe that they could have joined the EU by now, or atleast be on the path of acceptance. I think the Ak party has move internal issues on its mind and they are working to fix them in the smartest ways that they know how.
 
Pomak said:
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Sorry.
Plenty of reasons actually, first and foremost being that they don't culturally belong to Europe.
Second is the internal issues of Turkey, Kurds, Armenian genocide, secularists vs religionists, border with Iraq..
Third, the Turkish biorth rates are significantly higher than European ones, if let in, Turkey could become the most powerful country in the European parliament.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Third, the Turkish biorth rates are significantly higher than European ones, if let in, Turkey could become the most powerful country in the European parliament.
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The EU doesn't work that way. Population power does not equal economic power. It may actually mean that Turkey could be the weakest link in the European Parliment.
 
It will never happen.....
Because the west has not forgotten who turkey once used to be, too bad the turks have.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Sorry.
Plenty of reasons actually, first and foremost being that they don't culturally belong to Europe.
Second is the internal issues of Turkey, Kurds, Armenian genocide, secularists vs religionists, border with Iraq..
Third, the Turkish biorth rates are significantly higher than European ones, if let in, Turkey could become the most powerful country in the European parliament.
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ok, how is Turkey less culturally European than .... Bulgaria?(I am Bulgarian btw).
 
sevgi said:
The EU doesn't work that way. Population power does not equal economic power. It may actually mean that Turkey could be the weakest link in the European Parliment.
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Parliament seats are proportionate to population.
Number of seats doesn't equal power though.
 
Pomak said:
ok, how is Turkey less culturally European than .... Bulgaria?(I am Bulgarian btw).
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If nothing else, Bulgaria is a Christian nation, Orthodox but Christian nevertheless.
Western Turkey is fine, quite secular and modern, the problem is the vast east.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Parliament seats are proportionate to population.
Number of seats doesn't equal power though.
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Yes I know that number of seats occupied by nation is prop to pop. :P

But they can find ways around that..i dnt know how, but they can.They did it during the colonialising period of America post Civil war. Anywho. I think you know what I was getting at. Number of seats doesnt equal power is what I was trying to say :)
 
Güven said:
I agree mostly with Sevgi;

but NO i dont want them to join the EU.




I love being an Asian :D
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You dnt agree with me! I want them to join...!

I love being Asian too :P Some call us middle eastern...I got mediterranean once...I felt so...Greek! :P
 
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Given the current economical climate, more countries in the EU certainly would help via increased trading and employment. Both lead to more cash injections into the system and thus lead to consumer confidence, which means banks are back in business and the circle of life...I mean money is in full motion.

Of course, this is assuming that Turkey doesn't end up being dead weight i.e provides no increase in trading or employment. Then we'd be still in a crappy economy just with more people. Which would probably be worse.

Still, fingers (and toes!) crossed.
 

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