Question About Signs In Makkah

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

I need some verification on whether there are signs in Makkah that prohibit nonMuslims from entering the city. A friend of mine is doing research and has heard that the pics on the internet are fake, so if anyone has been there and remembers whether they have seen signs similar to the ones below, just let me know asap!

Jazakum Allahu Khair

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

[Al-Hanbali]

Wa 'alaykum salaam,

Yes, these signs are genuine. I remember seeing them.

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

Jazak allahu khair!! really appreciate the quick response

fi aman allah
w'salaam

[crayon]

Yup, I've seen them too, they definitely exist.

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[NazariteofEhyah]

"I need some verification on whether there are signs in Makkah that prohibit nonMuslims from entering the city. A friend of mine is doing research and has heard that the pics on the internet are fake, so if anyone has been there and remembers whether they have seen signs similar to the ones below, just let me know asap!"

I am curious, as to why those signs are there. Anyone know the answer?

[saba muslimah]

"I need some verification on whether there are signs in Makkah that prohibit nonMuslims from entering the city. A friend of mine is doing research and has heard that the pics on the internet are fake, so if anyone has been there and remembers whether they have seen signs similar to the ones below, just let me know asap!"

I am curious, as to why those signs are there. Anyone know the answer?

me too...want to know????

[Vito]

Entry forbidden for Non-Muslims

Non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca by Saudi law.[3][45]

Many religious scholars say this discrimination exists because Mecca was once a city where Muslims - including the prophet Mohammed - were persecuted and driven out. When Mohammed and his followers reclaimed the city, it was declared a sanctuary.[citation needed]
"Non-Muslim Bypass:" Non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca.

The Saudi government uses the following verse as a Qur’an confirmation for this law; however, there are other interpretations to this verse (in particular, People of the Book would usually not be regarded as pagans):[46]

"O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unpure; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will God enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for God is All-knowing, All-wise." -- Qur’an, 9:28

The existence of cities closed to non-Muslims and the mystery of the Hajjs aroused intense curiosity in people from around the world. Some have disguised themselves as Muslims and entered the city of Mecca and then the Grand Mosque to experience the Hajj for themselves. The most famous account of a foreigner's journey to Mecca is A Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina, written by Sir Richard Francis Burton.[47] Burton traveled as a Qadiriyyah Sufi from Afghanistan; his name, as he signed it in Arabic below his frontispiece portrait for The Jew The Gypsy and El Islam was al-Hajj 'Abdullah.[citation needed] Individuals who use fake certificates of Muslim identity to enter may be arrested and prosecuted by Saudi authorities.[48]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca#E...or_Non-Muslims

[S_87]

i love those signs :?

[Hamayun]

Sanctuary for Muslims.

Beautiful! It really is a sanctuary for Muslims.

[Danah]

yup I saw them as well, when u r entering Makkah u see them in your right hand for non-muslims to be like an exit

that bring back the old memories....I want to be there soon:rolleyes:

[kjra]

yup I saw them as well, when u r entering Makkah u see them in your right hand for non-muslims to be like an exit

that bring back the old memories....I want to be there soon:rolleyes:

yes i have seen these aswell!
oh yeh i wanna go bak there aswell :cry: it was such an amazing experience :)

[mazhar_majhu]

Yes thts true tht we have this sign on all higways going towards makkah........
but u know rish arabs how hire non muslims as their drivers enter makkah driving for them...........This is the reason i hate thses saudi arabs who dont value the teachings of our beloved prophet....

[saba muslimah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca#E...or_Non-Muslims

Thanx Brother...

[ragdollcat1982]

Is this prohibition of non Muslims to Mecca would the same if the Vatican started not allowing non Catholics to visit it? I have seen arial shots of it and it is a beautiful city.

[wafi]

Yes thts true tht we have this sign on all higways going towards makkah........
but u know rish arabs how hire non muslims as their drivers enter makkah driving for them...........This is the reason i hate thses saudi arabs who dont value the teachings of our beloved prophet....

r u sure about this ...i lived in my hometown makkah my whole life and i never heard about such incidents.. most of Saudi Arabia citizens have at least one driver to hire and if he is in markkah driver supposed 2 be Muslim its compulsory ..

[Zico]

Assalamu Alaikum

I need some verification on whether there are signs in Makkah that prohibit nonMuslims from entering the city. A friend of mine is doing research and has heard that the pics on the internet are fake, so if anyone has been there and remembers whether they have seen signs similar to the ones below, just let me know asap!

Jazakum Allahu Khair

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

This is true. By the way this picture

is taken from an Anti-Islamic website. Please do not link anything from there. Thank you.

Yes thts true tht we have this sign on all higways going towards makkah........
but u know rish arabs how hire non muslims as their drivers enter makkah driving for them...........This is the reason i hate thses saudi arabs who dont value the teachings of our beloved prophet....

You sound as if you do not live in Saudi Arabia yet your location says other wise. The answer is no, why? Because there are guards that check I.D's of every car and driver that come and go from and to mecca.

[S_87]

Yes thts true tht we have this sign on all higways going towards makkah........
but u know rish arabs how hire non muslims as their drivers enter makkah driving for them...........This is the reason i hate thses saudi arabs who dont value the teachings of our beloved prophet....

thats a gross generalisation and quite racist...

Is this prohibition of non Muslims to Mecca would the same if the Vatican started not allowing non Catholics to visit it? I have seen arial shots of it and it is a beautiful city.

what do you mean? not sure what youre asking :?

[ragdollcat1982]

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what do you mean? not sure what youre asking :?

The Vatican is considered the seat of the Roman Catholic Church a holy place for pilgrims. At present all are welcome to visit Vatican city. If they decided to limit admission to only Catholic would that be the same thing as only Muslims being allowed to enter Mecca?

[جوري]

The Vatican is considered the seat of the Roman Catholic Church a holy place for pilgrims. At present all are welcome to visit Vatican city. If they decided to limit admission to only Catholic would that be the same thing as only Muslims being allowed to enter Mecca?

I think the Catholics should do with their cities as they please no?
Further, I know of Muslims who save for a lifetime for this pilgrimage and unfortunately pass away before making it, as even with the expansion they can only accommodate so many Muslims yearly, and for many (who make mistakes) it is a done deal, they can't simply afford to go back and perform their religious rites over and over until one pilgrimage is done correctly. This is a serious obligation on those who can afford it, it isn't a tourist spot ..

I frankly don't know what Catholics do in the Vatican but certainly if they feel tourism will prohibit proper fulfillment of their religious rites then by all means they should impose all the prohibitions they desire!


all the best

[ragdollcat1982]

I think the Catholics should do with their cities as they please no?
Further, I know of Muslims who save for a lifetime for this pilgrimage and unfortunately pass away before making it, as even with the expansion they can only accommodate so many Muslims yearly, and for many (who make mistakes) it is a done deal, they can't simply afford to go back and perform their religious rites over and over until one pilgrimage is done correctly. This is a serious obligation on those who can afford it, it isn't a tourist spot ..

I frankly don't know what Catholics do in the Vatican but certainly if they feel tourism will prohibit proper fulfillment of their religious rites then by all means they should impose all the prohibitions they desire!


all the best

I am not protesting that non Muslims are forbidden from entering Mecca . I was just asking if it would be the same thing if the Catholic Church decided to allow only Catholics to enter Vatican city. Saudi Arabia is a soverign nation and is entitled to make its own laws.

[جوري]

I am not protesting that non Muslims are forbidden from entering Mecca . I was just asking if it would be the same thing if the Catholic Church decided to allow only Catholics to enter Vatican city. Saudi Arabia is a soverign nation and is entitled to make its own laws.

greetings..

I really don't know, how many pilgrimages or '3omras' Catholics are obligated to make or where in their religious tenets does it state they should be made? I don't recall Jesus (P) ever enforcing a pilgrimage to the Vatican, but if it is something their pontiff prescribes then I suppose they should get a govt. decree to make it so..

I don't believe it would be the same thing, because making pilgrimage has been the case since the time of Abraham, but I haven't come across anything like it in Catholicism (and I attended catholic school) so who knows? but that is my view on the matter..


2:125 Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the Station of Ibrahim as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Ibrahim and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in Prayer).


all the best

[wafi]

I am not protesting that non Muslims are forbidden from entering Mecca . I was just asking if it would be the same thing if the Catholic Church decided to allow only Catholics to enter Vatican city. Saudi Arabia is a soverign nation and is entitled to make its own laws.

first of all , Saudi Arabia didn't make that law ... its only because of religious texts, not for Muslims in general or for Saudi Arabia in particular.. prevention is not a political decision of the Saudi government as others thinks..

Saudi Arabia made that happens just as any Muslim will do if he get hold of mecca, government do not have to just to follow the rules of the religion,its a purely religious decision, which dictated by the imperatives of faith and religious belief, like the people of other religions in their position on some issues they believe in..

I heard that Muslims allowed to enter Vatican .. the fact that the Christians allowed Muslims to enter the Vatican but the muslims cannot allow Christians to enter makkah isn't fair example 'coz Christians are not role models for Muslims to follow anyway ..as Christians have conflicts with Jews.. Muslim is the same to Christians.

i'm a resident of meccaa ... and let me tell you the some of religious reasons for not letting Non-muslims to enter mecca..

1-Mecca a place of worship. Muslim people who are'nt from mecca only come for worship. if Allah does not call for the will of the Muslim pilgrimage, the Hajj pilgrimage as one of the pillars of Islam, no Muslim will have the greed to reside in Mecca or even visited..

2-The greatness of this place and the sacredness and greatness of religious considerations singled out the meaning of God and the ethics of specific provisions and decrees, draws a religious geographic boundaries according to the different geographical districts in Makkah, this is what in English dictionary called (Geo - religious)

(Geo - religious) means that each geography have its own religious rules.

if u follow it no one will prevent you from entering .. simply Makkah is just sacred place with kaaba sorrounded with mountains and mud houses and most of muslims come for ibadah or worship why do non muslims come to such a place..

to make it clear i must mention this >>

geographical boundaries of Mecca are:
A - Area of the Al-Masjid Al-Haram.
B - Area of Mecca.
C - Area of the local Border of Haram Mecca.
D - Area of the international borders Haram Mecca.
E - Area which after the international borders of Haram Mecca.

each of these five got its own conditions and rules..For example: If a Muslim wants to visit Mecca, he must know the border of the region he will enter to carry out this visit..when he arrived to the border, will do the following:

1 undress his normal clothes.
2 hair washing and the removal of the specific locations of the body if required.
3 wear the(Ihram) ritua clothingl .
4 ablution(whoudho'o) and pray two raka'ah.
5 Declaration of the visit .. Is it the intention of Hajj or Umrah?
6 begins with loud voice that's heard by his surroundings (Labaik Allahuma Labik) we call it Talbiah.

anyhow, In the case of violation of these Terms , the resulting penalty for a Muslim depenpds on the condition.

it's clearly that Mecca is not a city open to all or without conditions for the Muslims themselves.

If u wanted to enter you must follow the same terms and provisions and arrangements for the visit. So,its demanded not be opened to all non-Muslim either.

thanks

wafi

[Zico]

first of all , Saudi Arabia didn't make that law ... its only because of religious texts, not for Muslims in general or for Saudi Arabia in particular.. prevention is not a political decision of the Saudi government as others thinks..

Saudi Arabia made that happens just as any Muslim will do if he get hold of mecca, government do not have to just to follow the rules of the religion,its a purely religious decision, which dictated by the imperatives of faith and religious belief, like the people of other religions in their position on some issues they believe in..

I heard that Muslims allowed to enter Vatican .. the fact that the Christians allowed Muslims to enter the Vatican but the muslims cannot allow Christians to enter makkah isn't fair example 'coz Christians are not role models for Muslims to follow anyway ..as Christians have conflicts with Jews.. Muslim is the same to Christians.

i'm a resident of meccaa ... and let me tell you the some of religious reasons for not letting Non-muslims to enter mecca..

1-Mecca a place of worship. Muslim people who are'nt from mecca only come for worship. if Allah does not call for the will of the Muslim pilgrimage, the Hajj pilgrimage as one of the pillars of Islam, no Muslim will have the greed to reside in Mecca or even visited..

2-The greatness of this place and the sacredness and greatness of religious considerations singled out the meaning of God and the ethics of specific provisions and decrees, draws a religious geographic boundaries according to the different geographical districts in Makkah, this is what in English dictionary called (Geo - religious)

(Geo - religious) means that each geography have its own religious rules.

if u follow it no one will prevent you from entering .. simply Makkah is just sacred place with kaaba sorrounded with mountains and mud houses and most of muslims come for ibadah or worship why do non muslims come to such a place..

to make it clear i must mention this >>

geographical boundaries of Mecca are:
A - Area of the Al-Masjid Al-Haram.
B - Area of Mecca.
C - Area of the local Border of Haram Mecca.
D - Area of the international borders Haram Mecca.
E - Area which after the international borders of Haram Mecca.

each of these five got its own conditions and rules..For example: If a Muslim wants to visit Mecca, he must know the border of the region he will enter to carry out this visit..when he arrived to the border, will do the following:

1 undress his normal clothes.
2 hair washing and the removal of the specific locations of the body if required.
3 wear the(Ihram) ritua clothingl .
4 ablution(whoudho'o) and pray two raka'ah.
5 Declaration of the visit .. Is it the intention of Hajj or Umrah?
6 begins with loud voice that's heard by his surroundings (Labaik Allahuma Labik) we call it Talbiah.

anyhow, In the case of violation of these Terms , the resulting penalty for a Muslim depenpds on the condition.

it's clearly that Mecca is not a city open to all or without conditions for the Muslims themselves.

If u wanted to enter you must follow the same terms and provisions and arrangements for the visit. So,its demanded not be opened to all non-Muslim either.

thanks

wafi

THIS!! :thumbs_up

[- IqRa -]

This is real. And it so beautiful!!!

[- IqRa -]

I am not protesting that non Muslims are forbidden from entering Mecca . I was just asking if it would be the same thing if the Catholic Church decided to allow only Catholics to enter Vatican city. Saudi Arabia is a soverign nation and is entitled to make its own laws.

I don't think that would bother many people...