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KashifB
03-01-2009, 09:36 PM
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Some ahadith indicate that the Prophet Muhammad sallalahu alahi wasallam saw people in hell. Does this mean people have already been admitted into hell?

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sshussain
03-02-2009, 05:31 PM
Good Question!!!! :confused::confused:
Its kinda scary :cry:
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suffiyan007
03-02-2009, 05:42 PM
yeah...is really. cause prophet SAW ascended to the heaven by iskrak miraj..to seek allah saw....he saw everything.....really scary when muhammad saw it...so take as the lesson we must do our part in islam as ibadah......
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aadil77
03-02-2009, 05:51 PM
Yeah I was wondering about this as well,since the Prophet witnessed punishment in hell during the Mira'aj

I thought people stay in their graves till and can be punished in them, till the Day of Ressurection??
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Soulja Girl
03-02-2009, 06:38 PM
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^Erm yea, some people also say that Jannah and Jahannam ain't created yet and that Allah SWT will create it on the day of reckoning itself... Allahu A'lam... :hmm:

May Allah protect us all from the fiire of Hell... Ameen!

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Faith.
03-02-2009, 08:03 PM
Ameen!imsad
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KashifB
03-03-2009, 01:28 AM
Maybe the Prophet sallahu alaihi wasallam was shown what was to happen which hasn't happened yet! Does this sentence make sense? :?
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kjra
03-03-2009, 01:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KashifB
Maybe the Prophet sallahu alaihi wasallam was shown what was to happen which hasn't happened yet! Does this sentence make sense? :?
yes i understand what u mean.......the word jhanam makes me shiver.....May Allah protect us from the hell fire. Ameen.
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جوري
03-03-2009, 01:38 AM
the ahadith though I don't have any handy state 'yatabaw'a maqi3dho min an'nar' meaning yes they see their position in hell, and hence when they are beckoned on the day of judgment as per verses, some faces will be radiant and others aren't as they already know where exactly they are headed. there is until the day of judgment 3azhab alqabr (torture of the grave) . however the grave is called 'al barzakh' which is a state between this world and the hereafter. Allah swt knows best but I believe only martyrs dwell in their final paradise whilst in the grave but nobody else, physically in the green birds of paradise until the day of Judgment, but everyone else will be in the barzakh

and Allah swt knows best

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Question and Answer Details

Name of Questioner
Ferozudeen - Singapore

Title
Judging People to Be Dwellers of Paradise or Hell

Question
Some people sometimes judge a certain person to be among the dwellers of Paradise and another to be a dweller of Hell. They may say, “This person will be admitted to Paradise,” or “This one will never be admitted to Paradise; he will surely be thrown into Hell!” Could that be true, or is it only Allah Who is aware of that? May Allah reward you.

Date
10/Jan/2005

Topic
Muslim Belief

Answer

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


Dear questioner, thanks for your interesting question and we implore Allah earnestly to grant us all paradise in the Hereafter.

Man’s abode in the Hereafter is known to no none but Almighty Allah to Whom Alone belong the heavens and the earth. He tortures whomever He pleases and forgives whomever He pleases, and He is Potent over all things. Almighty Allah does not wrong, even of the weight of an atom. If He tortures all the creatures, then it is out of His justice; and if He pardons them all, then it is out of His mercy and favor. No one will be admitted to Paradise and spared Hell due to his own deeds, but it is out of Almighty Allah’s grace and mercy.

Imam Muslim states in his authentic book of Hadith that Abu Hurayrah reported: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Observe moderation in deeds (and if it is not possible, try to be near moderation) and be aware that none among you can attain salvation only by virtue of his own deeds.” They (the people) said, “O Allah’s Messenger! Not even you?” He replied, “Not even me, unless Allah encompasses me with His mercy and grace.” However, Almighty Allah grants His mercy to the pious who work righteous deeds, fear Him, and turn to Him in repentance: those who hasten on to do good deeds.

There are signs through which Muslims can testify to a Muslim’s righteousness. If he always shows goodness, they can testify to his goodness and praise him without judging him to be a dweller of Paradise in the Hereafter. This is because a person may pretend to be righteous while in fact he is an evil person; a person may pretend to be faithful while he is a disbelieving hypocrite; and a person may be judged as an evil one while he is righteous in the sight of Allah. Thus, Almighty Allah alone is the only One Who knows best who the true believers are, as He says: (Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith) (An-Nisaa’ 4:25). Moreover, Allah knows best who the pious among the believers are, as He says: (Therefore ascribe not purity unto yourselves. He is Best Aware of him who wardeth off (evil)) (An-Najm 53:32). On the other hand, it is related that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) stated that whoever dies while there are some Muslims testifying to his righteousness, knowing nothing about him but goodness, will be forgiven by Almighty Allah and his abode in the Hereafter will be good, too.

The eminent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states the following:

People are Allah’s witnesses on earth. It is also said that the tongues of people are the pens of the truth. Once, a funeral procession passed and the people praised the deceased. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said to his Companions, “It has been affirmed to him.” Then another funeral procession passed and the people spoke badly of the deceased, so the Prophet said, “It has been affirmed to him.” `Umar ibn Al-Khattab then asked the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), “What has been affirmed?” The Prophet replied, “You praised this, so Paradise has been affirmed to him, and you spoke badly of this, so Hell has been affirmed to him. You people are Allah’s witnesses on earth.” Moreover, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “There is not a Muslim who dies and the dwellers of four neighboring houses testify that they know nothing about him but goodness but Allah says, ‘I have accepted what you know about him and forgiven what you do not know.’”
Accordingly, it is desirable to praise those who show goodness, especially after their death, for the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Remember the good deeds of your deceased people.” However, it is detestable to praise people in their presence lest they become vain and self-conceited.

There are various signs related to death foreshadowing good abode in the Hereafter. Muslim scholars pointed them out through the related religious texts, some of which we cite as follows:

1. Saying the Shahadah (testimony of faith that there is no deity but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah) upon death, for Al-Hakim and others stated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whose last words were, ‘There is no deity but Allah,’ will be admitted to Paradise.”

2. Dying while having sweat on the forehead, for Buraydah ibn Al-Husayb narrated that Allah’s Messenger said, “The believer dies while having sweat on his forehead.” (Ahmad and At-Tirmidhi).

3. Dying on a Friday night or day, for Allah’s Messenger said, “There is not a Muslim who dies on Friday, by day or night, but Allah safeguards him against the trial of the grave.”

4. Being martyred while fighting in the cause of Allah, dying in the way of Allah, dying of plague, dying of an abdominal disease, and dying of drowning. This is because Imam Muslim states in his authentic Book of Hadith: “Allah’s Messenger asked, “Whom do you consider a martyr?” They (the Companions) replied, “O Messenger of Allah! The one who is slain in the cause of Allah is a martyr.” He said, “(If so,) then the martyrs of my nation are few.” They asked, “O Messenger of Allah! Who are they (the martyrs) then?” He said, “The one who is slain in the cause of Allah is a martyr, the one who dies in the way of Allah is a martyr, the one who dies of plague is a martyr, the one who dies of an abdominal disease is a martyr, and the one who dies of drowning is a martyr.” In addition, the one buried alive is a martyr, for Al-Bukhari and Muslim stated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Five are martyrs: The one who dies of plague, the one who dies of an abdominal disease, the one who dies of drowning, the one who is buried alive and dies, and the one who is killed in the cause of Allah.”

5. The woman who dies in her puerperium [the period after childbirth] because of her baby or even died while being pregnant because of her baby is a martyr, for Imam Ahmad and other compilers of Hadith narrated with authentic chains of transmission that `Ubadah ibn As-Samit reported the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying about martyrs, “The woman who is killed by (the delivery of) her baby is a martyr; her baby will drag her with the umbilical cord to Paradise.”

6. Being killed by fire or as a result of a pleural tumor is a martyr, as stated by the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) while listing the kinds of martyrs.

7. Dying of tuberculosis, as the Prophet stated that whoever dies of tuberculosis is a martyr.

8. There are other kinds of martyrs indicated in the following hadith narrated by Abu Dawud, An-Nasa’i and other compilers of Hadith, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “He who is killed while defending his property is a martyr; he who is killed while defending his religion is a martyr; and he who is killed while defending his blood is a martyr.”

9. Dying while performing sentry duty in the cause of Allah, for Imam Muslim stated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Keeping watch for a day and a night (in the cause of Allah) is better (in reward) than fasting for a whole month and standing in Prayer every night. If a person dies (while performing such a sentry duty), his (meritorious) activity will continue, he will go on receiving his reward for it perpetually, and will be saved from the torture of the grave.” The men and women of security forces and land, sea, or air border patrols must be the happiest with this hadith, regardless of their positions, provided they seek the divine reward through doing these national duties.

10. Dying while performing a righteous deed, for the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “He who dies upon saying ‘There is no deity but Allah,’ seeking Allah’s pleasure, will be admitted to Paradise; and he who dies upon performing a deed of charity will be admitted to Paradise” (Ahmad and other compilers of Hadith).

However, you should be aware, dear questioner, that even if any of the aforementioned signs takes place, one should never be absolutely certain that the concerned person will be admitted to Paradise; one may just regard it as a good omen. On the other hand, if none of these signs happens to the deceased, one should not as well judge him to be a dweller of Hell. All this belongs to the knowledge of the Unseen, known only to Allah, the All-Knowing, the All-Aware.


Moreover, it is detestable to mention the defects of others, for Imam Muslim stated in his authentic book of Hadith that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, “A person said, ‘Allah will not forgive such-and-such (person).’ Thereupon, Almighty Allah said, ‘Who is he who adjures about Me that I will not forgive so-and-so? I have forgiven so-and-so and blotted out his deeds.’” Moreover, Almighty Allah says: (Knowest thou not that unto Allah belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth? He punisheth whom He willeth, and forgiveth whom He willeth. Allah is Able to do all things. ) (Al-Ma’idah 5:40). Almighty Allah also says: (Unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. He forgiveth whom He willeth, and punisheth whom He willeth. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful) (Aal `Imran 3:129). In addition, Almighty Allah says: (And Allah’s is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. He forgiveth whom He willeth, and punisheth whom He willeth. And Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.) (Al-Fath 48: 14) Furthermore, Almighty Allah says: (He punisheth whom He willeth and showeth mercy unto whom He willeth, and unto Him ye will be turned)(Al-`Ankabut 29:21).


Commenting on the latter verse, Imam Ibn Kathir said: The statement of Almighty Allah, (He punisheth whom He willeth and showeth mercy unto whom He willeth) means that He is the Judge and the Manager of everything. He does what He pleases and decrees what He pleases. No one questions His judgment; He is not questioned about what He does but He questions all about what they do. To Him belongs the creation and the decree. Whatever He does is just and fair, for He is the Owner of everything, Who wrongs not even of the weight of an atom. The compliers of the books of the Sunan (Prophetic tradition, plural of Sunnah) state that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “If Allah punishes all the peoples of His heavens and His earth, He will do so without being unjust to them.”

You can also read:

Entering Paradise: Grace or Good Deeds?

How Can a Sin Be a Way to Paradise?

Shall All Muslims Enter Paradise?

Is Paradise Physical?

Can We Meet Our Loved Ones in Paradise?

Types of Martyrs

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to write back!

May Allah guide you to the straight path, and guide you to that which pleases Him, Amen.
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suffiyan007
03-03-2009, 05:29 PM
actually the hell and heaven already made...before Adam and eve were made....
why do we die...? to seek allah...! allah only know where we will put...hell or heaven...so must to good things when we alive.....! make lotsa ibadah...insyaalllah..we will have a nice day in jannah...!:uuh:
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KashifB
03-03-2009, 11:54 PM
I've found a few ahadith from Sahih Bukhari below which indicate, paradise and hell already exist and Prophet Muhammad sallahu alaihi wasallam has been shown them and he saw people inside hell.

Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet led us in prayer and then went up to the pulpit and beckoned with both hands towards the Qibla of the mosque and then said, "When I started leading you in prayer, I saw the display of Paradise and hell on the wall of the mosque (facing the Qibla). I never saw good and bad as I have seen today." He repeated the last statement thrice. (Sahih Bukhari Book #12, Hadith #716)


Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said: "I was shown the hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you." (Sahih Bukhari Book #2, Hadith #28)


Narrated Abu Huraira and 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "If it is very hot, then pray the Zuhr prayer when it becomes (a bit) cooler, as the severity of the heat is from the raging of the hell-fire." (Sahih Bukhari Book #10, Hadith #510)
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Halima
03-04-2009, 02:26 AM
erm can we have a sheikh come in here to answer our question cause i'm reaaaally curious about this and the sooner the better or else we would have a handleful of confused people... thank you!
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saba muslimah
03-04-2009, 06:36 AM
hhmmmmmmmmmm.... dn't hv authentic answer yet... InshaAllah very soon i wil give..!
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- Qatada -
03-04-2009, 04:34 PM
:salamext:


The people who were punished may be getting the punishment of the grave, with their souls only in the places which Allah's Messenger sal Allah alaihi wasalam saw. But after Judgment Day, they will go to hell (unless Allah forgives the believers from them) with their souls AND body.

The same is about the people of paradise, their souls might be in jannah until Judgment Day, but after that day they will enter it with their bodies and souls.


Allahu a'lam.
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KashifB
03-04-2009, 10:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -
:salamext:


The people who were punished may be getting the punishment of the grave, with their souls only in the places which Allah's Messenger sal Allah alaihi wasalam saw. But after Judgment Day, they will go to hell (unless Allah forgives the believers from them) with their souls AND body.

The same is about the people of paradise, their souls might be in jannah until Judgment Day, but after that day they will enter it with their bodies and souls.


Allahu a'lam.
Good point. Is it your view or have you read it somewhere?
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doorster
03-04-2009, 11:19 PM
in an answer to a question, Counsellor Waleed Ahmed Najmeddine stated the following
At the time of death, the soul is taken from the body by the Angel of Death. It is later returned to the body once it has been buried. The grave for each of us will either be a pleasant place to wait for Judgement Day, or it may be a terrible place to wait if we were not righteous believers in this life. When Judgement Day comes, Allah will re-create us as He did the first time.
On a personal note, I ask all you speculators, to ask yourselves about the purpose of The Day of Judgement, if people are already being moved to hell, also to look-up all possible definitions of the word and title "Prophet"

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KashifB
03-04-2009, 11:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
On a personal note, I ask you to ask yourselves about the purpose of The Day of Judgement, if people are already being moved to hell
No one here is saying that people have already been moved to hell. We are simply trying to understand what was meant by the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam in the ahadith I posted.

format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
also to look-up all possible definitions of the word/title "Prophet"
Definitions of the word "Prophet" below:



  1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
  2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
  3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
  4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.
    1. Prophets (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The second of the three divisions of the Hebrew Scriptures, comprising the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the Twelve. Used with the.
    2. Prophet One of the prophets mentioned in the Bible, especially one believed to be the author of one of these books. Used with the.
  5. Prophet Islam. Muhammad. Used with the.
What exactly is your point?
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doorster
03-04-2009, 11:51 PM
does not matter, since I obviously misunderstood your intention/purpose of the thread and I have no intention of contributing to the confusing/speculative mess that this thread is becoming and I'm depressed.

My apology for interrupting the flow.

Peace!
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- Qatada -
03-05-2009, 03:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KashifB
Good point. Is it your view or have you read it somewhere?

:wasalamex


It's the belief of the people of Sunnah.

All of that happens in the grave or in the life of al-Barzakh. As for Paradise and Hell, no one will enter them fully until after the second stage of the reckoning, which is the reckoning in the Hereafter.

But some souls may enter Paradise, and taste some of its delights, as an honour from Allaah, may He be blessed and exalted.


The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“The soul of the believer is a bird hanging in the trees of Paradise, until Allaah restores it to its body on the day when He resurrects him.”

Narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (1/240); classed as saheeh by Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr in al-Istidhkaar (2/614).

Hanging in the trees means moving about and eating.

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his book Haadi al-Arwaah (48):

This clearly shows that souls may enter Paradise before the Day of Resurrection. End quote.


Some souls may also be exposed to the Fire and feel some of its heat and torment.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The Fire, they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon. And on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): ‘Cause Fir‘awn’s (Pharaoh) people to enter the severest torment!’”
[Ghaafir 40:46]

For the one who passes the test in the grave, the reckoning in the Hereafter will be easier for him.

It was narrated that Haani’ the freed slave of ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan said: when ‘Uthman ibn ‘Affaan stood by a grave he would weep until his beard became wet. It was said to him, “You remember Paradise and Hell and you do not weep, but you weep because of this?” He said, “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The grave is the first of the stages of the Hereafter; whoever is saved from it, whatever comes afterwards will be easier for him, but if he is not saved from it, what comes afterwards will be worse for him.’” And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have never seen any scene but the grave is more frightening than it.”

Narrated and classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi (2308); classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.



The second stage of the reckoning will be after the Resurrection in the Hereafter; this is the great reckoning in which the people of Paradise will be distinguished from the people of Hell, and all scores will be settled along people. That Day is called the Day of Reckoning.

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“This it is what you (Al‑Muttaqoon — the pious) are promised for the Day of Reckoning!”
[Saad 38:53]

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/89813/barzakh%20soul
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KashifB
03-05-2009, 05:32 PM
JazakAllah brother
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Hamayun
03-07-2009, 12:27 PM
Could it be that the people in Hell are from another world?

I mean we don't know if Allah swt created other universes with others there before us and they had their day of judgement already?

Just wondering... but Allah knows best about the matters of the unseen.
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KashifB
03-07-2009, 06:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamayun
... but Allah knows best about the matters of the unseen.
Bey shak
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