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Salahudeen
08-16-2009, 03:23 AM
Salaam, I was just wondering is there any mention of dinosaurs in Islamic texts?? did they exist according to Islam or isn't there an opinion on it.
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Woodrow
08-16-2009, 03:54 AM
I can not think of any reason there would have been any need for them to be mentioned. There are thousands of animals living in today's world, but only the 30 or 40 that play a significant role in our lives are mentioned. So be it with dinosaurs they played no significant direct roles in our lives, why should they be mentioned?

The existence or non-existence of dinosaurs would make no differences or be of any contradiction to the Qur'an or Islamic beliefs.
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Ramadhan
08-16-2009, 05:06 AM
I also like the answer given here:
http://islamquest.net/QuestionArchive/784.aspx

What is Islam’s view regarding the existence of dinosaurs?


The Quran is a book of guidance and everything which supports this goal [of guidance] has been mentioned in this Holy Book. The method used in expressing matters is: focusing on the general aspects and less on the details and particulars, and the reason for that may be the unimaginable amount of specific topics and Islamic laws.[1]



In the Quran, even though much has been mentioned about the reality of life, various creatures, classification of living organisms into plants[2] and animals, and the categorization of land animals into quadrupeds (four legged animals) and birds[3], and the categorization of quadrupeds into reptiles, animals that walk on two legs and animals that walk on four legs[4]. Not only have the names of some insects, fish and other creatures been mentioned in the Quran, valuable details about them have been mentioned as well. However as far as dinosaurs and the nature of their life, nothing has been [specifically] mentioned in the Quran and Islam has not expressed any particular viewpoint on this topic. For these types of issues one must refer to the scientist and scholars of the respected fields and derive the Islamic laws and conduct from the basis of their opinions.

Discussions relating to the various types of animals and plants and inanimate objects are all a part of natural sciences as a result the answer must be sought out from natural sciences. Information about dinosaurs must be researched in paleontology books, books regarding extinct animals and zoological museums.



As it has been mentioned in the Quran and in other Islamic sources; much importance has been given to nature, its manifestation and a variety of beings, and they have been referred to as blessings and signs of the One God and His magnificence and dominance; because one of the methodical concepts of theism is paying attention to the existence of livening creatures and the works of God. And this is why the majority of animals that people have seen and are familiar with have been mentioned [in the Quran], so that we can reflect upon their creation.



If science is able to prove the existence and details of prehistoric and extinct animals such as dinosaurs then in actuality this proof itself is one of the numerous signs of God, which paves a new way for understanding the magnitude of the Lord, just as it states in the Holy Quran:

Say, ‘Travel over the land and then observe how He has originated the creation. Then Allah shall bring about the genesis of the hereafter. Indeed Allah has power over all things.[5] In Nemuneh Commentary it explains this verse saying: today, these types of verses can correspond to a more precise and deeper meaning for scientist, meaning that they should go and observe the remainings of prehistoric creatures which can now be found as fossils in the depths of the seas, and in the core of mountains and in between the layers of the earth in order to comprehend some of the mysteries of the origination of life on earth and the supremacy and splendor of God, and realize that He is capable of the restitution of life.[6]



Another point which we must pay attention to is that – Islam is unlike other religions which sometime have teachings which contradict and oppose scientific facts (especially natural sciences and issues relating to creation), which is the primary reason why they have separated their religious discourses from scientific discourses, as well as the methodology of religious livelihood from scientific livelihood, and it is also one of the reasons for many other irrational religious discourses.

The teachings of Islam and the Quran not only have absolutely no type of contradiction with scientific facts, rather from the very time when the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) embraced the divine mission of prophethood, Islam foretold many scientific advancements, inventions and discoveries, and gave value and worth to knowledge, scholars and their respected opinions, and in many instances Islam has used the phenomenon and marvel of creation as evidence and proof of ‘origin and end’ (initiatial creation and resurrection).



Nonetheless, the Islamic laws and rulings for the Nijasat (ritual impurity), Hiliyat (permissibility by Islamic law) and Hurmat (prohibition by Islamic law), of living creatures whose existence has been proven, has been presented as “factual propositions” meaning that the rulings and laws have been presented as universal laws upon the assumption of the subject’s existence. Therefore if dinosaurs did exist or if in the future such a creature with the specifics of a dinosaur comes into existence, even though Islamic legal laws (fiqh) may not have any specific opinion on it, legal scholars can unambiguously derive the Islamic rulings from the principals of Islamic law, just as they have derived rulings for a number of ‘Mustahdatha’ cases (instances without precedence).


[1]For more information, see: “Vicegerency and Religiosity”, Studies in Islamic Political Thought: Dr. Mehdi Hadavi Tehrani – Pages 47-57.

[2]Sura An’aam (The Cattle) – Verse 99: … وَهُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاء مَاء فَأَخْرَجْنَا بِهِ نَبَاتَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ

[3]Sura An’aam (The Cattle) – Verse 38:…وَمَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ فِي الأَرْضِ وَلاَ طَائِرٍ يَطِيرُ بِجَنَاحَيْهِ َ

[4]Sura Noor (The Light) – Verse 45:

وَاللَّهُ خَلَقَ كُلَّ دَابَّةٍ مِن مَّاء فَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى بَطْنِهِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى رِجْلَيْنِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى أَرْبَعٍ

[5]Sura Ankabut (The Spider) - Verse 20

[6]Nemuneh Commentary, Volume 16, Page 238
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Salahudeen
08-16-2009, 12:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I can not think of any reason there would have been any need for them to be mentioned. There are thousands of animals living in today's world, but only the 30 or 40 that play a significant role in our lives are mentioned. So be it with dinosaurs they played no significant direct roles in our lives, why should they be mentioned?

The existence or non-existence of dinosaurs would make no differences or be of any contradiction to the Qur'an or Islamic beliefs.
I was just curious if they were, cos I know Jinn's are mentioned as inhabiting the Earth before humans, and they cause bloodshed. So I was just wondering if there was anything about dinosaurs.

Thanks for answer naidamar
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IAmZamzam
08-26-2009, 03:30 AM
The Koran is silent on the subject and, indeed, why shouldn't it be? What could be gained from that topic in such a book as the Koran? There are certain biblical passages which some say indicate descriptions (in the original language) of dinosaur-like creatures, and the Gospel of Barnabas features a creature that is described in terms making it sound very much like a dinosaur. But what of any of it?
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Al-Yasa
09-01-2009, 03:20 PM
no there is not any mention of it
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sur
09-01-2009, 06:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by squiggle
Salaam, I was just wondering is there any mention of dinosaurs in Islamic texts?? did they exist according to Islam or isn't there an opinion on it.
Since "Islamic Text" mentions huge humans so that "InDirectly" point towards humungous animals too........

What would be a present day cow in front of 90 feet tall Adam(pbuh)??? Just a little bug.... So won't Adam & ppl of his time need animals comparable to their sizes???? i.e, dinos...



Sahih Bukhari:55:543.
"The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall(1 cubit is about 1.5 foot so 60cubit=90 feet). ............ People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation."(So why can't animals follow the same scheme)



Sahih Bukhari:74:246.
"The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height..............Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time."




Sahih Bukhari:55:544.
Allah's Apostle said,.....All of them will look alike and will resemble their father Adam (in statute), sixty cubits tall."

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Also There's mention of Noah's flood that, according to many, was world wide.... It could be the moment of extinction of Dinos....???
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Also there's mention of ppl of Lot, who appeared like "Fallen Trees".... after GOD's retribution......
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Also u can search about tall graves attributed to previous prophets located in different places, even photos of those graves are available...
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Abdu-l-Majeed
09-01-2009, 07:42 PM
Since "Islamic Text" mentions huge humans so that "InDirectly" point towards humungous animals too........

What would be a present day cow in front of 90 feet tall Adam(pbuh)??? Just a little bug.... So won't Adam & ppl of his time need animals comparable to their sizes???? i.e, dinos...
Even if we'd say Adam, a.s., and the people of his time, needed big animals, that doesn't provide a proof dinos existed. Why couldn't exist gigantic cows and sheeps etc.?

But we can't say that this points to big animals, for at least two reasons: the human today uses animals far smaller then he is. And also, the size doesn't matter. The animals could have had the sam size as they have today, but they existed in enough large numbers.

Also There's mention of Noah's flood that, according to many, was world wide.... It could be the moment of extinction of Dinos....???
Or couldn't...

Also u can search about tall graves attributed to previous prophets located in different places, even photos of those graves are available...
Most of these photos are fakes. (Which doesn't change the fact that the generations who lived long before us were taller then we are.)

Also:

Believing that dinosaurs existed

Imaam, can you please tell me if it is impermissible to believe that there were dinosaurs on the earth before Adaam and Eve were created?

Praise be to Allaah.

Allaah created Adam (peace be upon him) on a Friday, the sixth day from the beginning of creation. Some texts mention what was created on the previous five days, in brief and general terms, but as to the details of what was created, Allaah knows best about that. Questions like this, on which no belief or deeds are to be based, are just meaningless distractions that are of no benefit. Faith does not increase or decrease according to whether one believes in dinosaurs or not. It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade us to occupy ourselves with things that cause confusion and are not clear. We also know that people differ in their views as to whether these dinosaurs existed or they are just figments of the imagination. And Allaah knows best.


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Santoku
09-01-2009, 10:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sur
Since "Islamic Text" mentions huge humans so that "InDirectly" point towards humungous animals too........

What would be a present day cow in front of 90 feet tall Adam(pbuh)??? Just a little bug.... So won't Adam & ppl of his time need animals comparable to their sizes???? i.e, dinos...



Sahih Bukhari:55:543.
"The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall(1 cubit is about 1.5 foot so 60cubit=90 feet). ............ People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation."(So why can't animals follow the same scheme)



Sahih Bukhari:74:246.
"The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height..............Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time."




Sahih Bukhari:55:544.
Allah's Apostle said,.....All of them will look alike and will resemble their father Adam (in statute), sixty cubits tall."

===============
Also There's mention of Noah's flood that, according to many, was world wide.... It could be the moment of extinction of Dinos....???
===============


Also there's mention of ppl of Lot, who appeared like "Fallen Trees".... after GOD's retribution......
===============

Also u can search about tall graves attributed to previous prophets located in different places, even photos of those graves are available...
Fascinating so mankind is shrinking, then wht was the average citizen of Ancient Rome 1.48 metres, try comparing that with modern man greater or lesser?
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sur
09-02-2009, 03:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Santoku
Fascinating so mankind is shrinking, then wht was the average citizen of Ancient Rome 1.48 metres, try comparing that with modern man greater or lesser?
Romans were NOT that far back in history..... History of world is much longer...

& some of the graves i talked about earlier...(source)
I don't have any idea about authenticity of these photos...!!!


Mazar of Hazrat Nooh (Noah) in Baqa’a Valley in Lebanon.
Some other scholars say that the Mazar of Hazrat Nooh can be in Jordan OR Lebanon OR Iraq. Allah knows the best.




The Mazar of Hazrat Salih (peace be upon him) is said to be located in Mada'in Salih, in Hijaz, or in the Hadhramawt. According to the local people in the Hadhramawt, Salih was the father of the prophet Hud, corresponding to the biblical Shelah father of Eber. Both Hud and Salih are said to have been giants, thus accounting for the extraordinary length of their tombs. According some scholars this is the Mazar of Hazrat Salih at Hasik.




Mazar Hazrat Yusha’ bin Noon (Joshua b. Nun) (Peace be upon him) in the town of Zayy near the city of al-Salt in Jordan. The tomb itself is roughly 10 meters in length. Some scholars and travelers claim that this is actually the Mazar of the prophet Hosea [Ar. Hoshu'a] (Peace be upon him). Hazrat Prophet Joshua (Peace be upon him) is not mentioned by name in the Quran but Muslim scholars say that he is the "companion" of Hazrat Musa (peace be upon him) mentioned in the holy Qur’an (18:60-65) and he became prophet after Hazrat Musa (Peace be upon him). Scholars on the narratives in the Quran referring to the Israelites' conquest of the Holy Land detail the stories associated with Joshua b. Nun. Ibn Kathir reports that Joshua was a great warrior and lived for 127 years.




The Mazar of Hazrat Imran is located in downtown Salalah in the Dhofar region of western Oman. Some believe that Hazrat Imran was a local Arab prophet, and others believe that the name is a reference to the father of Mary mother of Jesus (Peace be upon him) mention in the Quran, or the father of Hazrat Musa (Peace be upon him) mentioned in the Bible.




The Qabr-e-Anwar of Hazrat Yaqub (Jacob) (Peace be upon him) in Palestine.

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sur
09-02-2009, 04:17 PM
As Hadees of Prophet said Adam was 90 feet tall....

Here's a human foot mark in Sri Lanka... On a mountain called "Adam's Peak".....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam's_Peak

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IAmZamzam
09-03-2009, 04:40 AM
This thread has gone rather off topic....
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