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Amanda
09-06-2009, 04:24 AM
Assalamu alaikum,

I have a question about what to say when praying. After I reverted, my husband (who is Indonesian) bought a book so that I could learn how to pray and what it meant. I've also been checking online, and watching videos and reading stuff about the daily prayers, and I'm a bit confused. In my book, after the niyyat comes a part that goes like this:

Kabirau wal hadulillahi katsirau wasubhanallahi bukrataw waasila inni wajjahtu wajjhiya liladzi-fatharas samawati wal ardlo hanifan musliman wama ana minal musyrikin. Inna sholati wanusuki wamahyaya wamamati lillahi robbil’alamin. Lasyarika lahu wabi dzalika umirtu wa ana minal muslimin.

But, I've never seen it in any of the videos or online resources (except a couple of Indonesian websites, but I can't read them!)... Can someone explain which way is proper?
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Amanda
09-07-2009, 09:07 AM
I see that people are viewing this, but there have been no replies. I'm so confused, can't anyone help me?
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Arain.Faizan
09-07-2009, 11:02 AM
Walykum Assalam sister

well never heared this type of thing yet..
its really very strange to me ...
these pharse should not be recited as it has not any authentic source

well one should recite "Sana" first
then Surah Fatiha (ist surah of Quran)
and then any one surah complete or three ayats atleast which ever he/she please

well right now i have to leave but inshALLAH will share with you the complete method of Salat (Prayers).

Keep me in your prayers
JazakALLAH
:sl:
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AhmadibnNasroon
09-07-2009, 04:31 PM
One of the best books concerning the salah is Shaykh Albanee's "The Prophet's Prayer Described".

It gives a concise breakdown of authentic rulings throughout the salah which can be done. You can read it here...

http://www.qss.org/articles/salah/toc.html

As for the intention, then it is not pronounced as all acts are by intention.
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YusufNoor
09-07-2009, 04:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amanda
Assalamu alaikum,

I have a question about what to say when praying. After I reverted, my husband (who is Indonesian) bought a book so that I could learn how to pray and what it meant. I've also been checking online, and watching videos and reading stuff about the daily prayers, and I'm a bit confused. In my book, after the niyyat comes a part that goes like this:

Kabirau wal hadulillahi katsirau wasubhanallahi bukrataw waasila inni wajjahtu wajjhiya liladzi-fatharas samawati wal ardlo hanifan musliman wama ana minal musyrikin. Inna sholati wanusuki wamahyaya wamamati lillahi robbil’alamin. Lasyarika lahu wabi dzalika umirtu wa ana minal muslimin.

But, I've never seen it in any of the videos or online resources (except a couple of Indonesian websites, but I can't read them!)... Can someone explain which way is proper?
:sl:

Alhumdulillah that Allah Ta'Aala has guided you sister!

i looked for that transliteration, but i could not find it. this site here has supplications from Husnul Muslim. they are transliterated and you can listen to them. it IS a work in progess, but it should suit your needs for now:

http://transliteration.org/quran/Du%60a'/menue.htm

also Kalamullah has this video of Pray as You Have Seen Me Pray:

http://www.kalamullah.com/new-muslims.html

it might seem difficult, but In Sha'a Allah, it will come naturally!

:wa:
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Amanda
09-08-2009, 08:32 AM
Thank you for the links, they were most helpful. Although I didn't find exactly the version I have (although if you google it, you can find it but the websites are in Indonesian so I don't understand the explanation), I believe that it is an opening do'a, which is optional, right? So, it's not necessary, but it's not wrong if I pray that way, as that is how I was taught and how I remember?
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Arain.Faizan
09-08-2009, 08:48 AM
so you have already been provided with the link, that will help you inshALLAH.
JazaALLAH to the brothers who provided these links..
well sister please make it very clear you cannot add or subtract anything at your option religion is what has already been thought no alteration could be entertain anyhow, i am a born muslim in a muslim country , i have never heared this kind of dua or any optional dua before Fatiha, therefore please never listen to these kind of stuff, moreover options may be allowed but only when provided by the Shariah Authentically.

wish you a bless journey in your guided life & hereafter.
keep me in your prayers

:sl:
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Bub
09-08-2009, 08:49 AM
Masha'Allah sister, i was in ur shoe, so go to http://www.mybloop.com/rahma/Islam/salat_doc


http://www.2shared.com/file/7283457/65588db7/Page1.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/7283459/82e0a0b0/Page2.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/7283463/49181a6d/Page3.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/7283469/a9cdf373/Page4.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/7283486/a7f1c36c/Page5.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/7283497/...roduction.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/7283501/...tul_Kursi.html

where i started a thread about prayer, these websites r from brothers and sisters, insha'Allah u will learn it with no problem, might Allah guide you to straight the path
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Amanda
09-08-2009, 09:00 AM
Thanks again for the advice. I know that I cannot just add or subtract things, which is why I asked here if people know of this part. On the first link provided it has several supplications for at the start of the prayer which includes:

Wajjahtu Wajhiya Lilladhī Faţara As-Samawāti Wa 'Illārđa Ĥanīfāan Wa Mā 'Anā Mina Al-Mushrikīna, 'Inna Şalātī Wa Nusukī Wa Maĥyāya Wa Mamātī Lillāhi Rabbi Al-`Ālamīna, Lā Sharīka Lahu Wa Bidhalika 'Umirtu Wa 'Anā Mina Al-Muslimīna.

Which is part of what I was asking about. Just that in the version I was taught there are some words I don't understand before and it is shorter. That is why I am starting to think that it is an optional do'a. Maybe do different schools of thoughts use different do'as?
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Arain.Faizan
09-08-2009, 09:19 AM
well i have links in urdu & Arabic i also do have bukhari in the same languages but let me found some proper link in english so you may understand better, actually it is very sensitive to search for islamic stuff on net due to the un due spamming it is now really have become very very misleading that is why one should avoid to search there until and unless he/she do not have some authentic source, well once again what we can do is to seek guidance from ALLAH , may ALLAH guide us on the right path.

no i havnt learnt anything bout this kinda dua in any kind of school of thoughts, actually this is in arabic but yet em really unable to transiltrate it.
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Amanda
09-08-2009, 09:32 AM
The second site (http://transliteration.org/quran/Du%60a'/menue.htm) has both the transliteration that I quoted before as well as the Arabic, and the English translation (just go to 'what to say at the start of prayer')... maybe that will help you see what do'a it is? Also, I didn't just find this on the internet (I know it can be hard to know what is true and what is misinformation), but it has come from a book my husband bought me after I reverted.
Thank you for your efforts in helping me, brother.
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Arain.Faizan
09-08-2009, 09:47 AM
hmm ...just visited at your link
they are showing many dua's :s
well am really unable to understand where these duas have came from
i request you to please do not go for any dua except...

This one given on 2nd number
How perfect You are O Allah, and I praise You. Blessed be Your name, and lofty is Your position and none has the right to be
here you will recite

Azzubillah himina shaitan nirajim
Bissmillah hir-Rehman nir rahim

after this read ist surah of Quran Surah-e-Fatiha complete

and then any surah from quran ...complete or atleast three ayats (If short)
and you also may go for one ayat if it is long enough.

that is authentic , and also very regular pratice of all the school of thoughts,
well i will inshALLAH ask scholors about the other duas and will update you accordingly inshALLAH..

no worries :)
May ALLAH bless you
JazakALLAH sis, now it is being the source my learning too =D
thanks
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nightingale
09-08-2009, 10:11 AM
:sl:

Sister, I have been reciting the same opening dua "wajjahathu wajihiya..." ever since I started praying.

Please refer to the book "The Prophet's Prayer" by Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani.

The opening supplications are on this link, http://muttaqun.com/prayer/08.html#RTFToC1
but please refer to the book as well. You can find the dua (wajjahathu..) and its translation in the second point.
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Ramadhan
09-08-2009, 10:30 AM
As an Indonesian, we are also taught to start our pray with that opening dua, which is optional;
Kabiraw... Etc
Inni wajjahtu wajjahiyya..etc
Inna sholaati wa nusuki.. Etc
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Amanda
09-08-2009, 01:05 PM
Oh that makes me feel better, to hear that others have also been taught that do'a! Thank you so much for sharing!
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Ramadhan
09-09-2009, 03:17 AM
This is one of the "iftitah" dua, the opening of the shalat, before reading Al Fatihah, that we muslims in Indonesia and Malaysia i think have always been taught:



Allahu Akbaru kabiraw ,
walhamdu lillahi kathiraw
wasubhanallahhi bukratau waasila
Wajjahtu wajhia lillazi
fataras sama wati wal ardh
hanifam muslimaw wama ana minal musyrikin
Inna solati wanusuki wamahyaya wammamati lillahi rabbil'alamin
La syarikalahu wabiza lika umirtu wa ana minal muslimin

In english:
"Allah is ever greatest, Much praise be to Allah. Glory to Him morning and evening. I turn may face to Him who created the heavens and earth, a pure montheist, in submission , and am not of those who associate others with Him. My prayer, worship, life, and death are for Allah, Lord of the Worlds, who has no partner. Thus I have been commanded, and I am of those who submit."
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syilla
09-09-2009, 04:09 AM
more information here :)

http://www.islamawareness.net/Dua/Fortress/016.html
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Amanda
09-09-2009, 07:58 AM
Thank you everyone for sharing. I was starting to worry that I was praying incorrectly, but now I understand that it is a do'a that others use as well. Thank you again.
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Bub
09-09-2009, 08:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amanda
Thank you everyone for sharing. I was starting to worry that I was praying incorrectly, but now I understand that it is a do'a that others use as well. Thank you again.

Might Allah bless u for ur effort to learning how to pray :D
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Arain.Faizan
09-09-2009, 09:19 AM
^Ameen

well we muslim here have always been taught only "Subhana kalla Huma"
but on your query i asked a Mufti he told me yes there are some "praising words" which on the authority of some mufti/scholor you may recite before Al-hamd but the recomended one is only "Subhan kalla huma" ..Wallahul-ilm

Moreover sister, i am really very sorry for any inconvinience caused by me.
thank you for raising this question from which i have learned alot.

JazakALLAH!.
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Amanda
09-09-2009, 09:40 AM
There was no inconvenience at all! I'm glad I asked and was able to learn about the different ways people have been taught to pray (as I had been under the false assumption that all of it would be exactly the same for everyone... I hadn't known that we can include do'a that might be different than someone else), as well as to learn that my way was not wrong. I greatly appreciate that you looked into it for me as well, and were willing to help me out. Thank you for that, brother.
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ardianto
09-09-2009, 05:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amanda
Assalamu alaikum,
Wa alaikum salam.

I have a question about what to say when praying. After I reverted, my husband (who is Indonesian) bought a book so that I could learn how to pray and what it meant. I've also been checking online, and watching videos and reading stuff about the daily prayers, and I'm a bit confused. In my book, after the niyyat comes a part that goes like this:

Kabirau wal hadulillahi katsirau wasubhanallahi bukrataw waasila inni wajjahtu wajjhiya liladzi-fatharas samawati wal ardlo hanifan musliman wama ana minal musyrikin. Inna sholati wanusuki wamahyaya wamamati lillahi robbil’alamin. Lasyarika lahu wabi dzalika umirtu wa ana minal muslimin.
I guess your book is published by Nahdlatul Ulama organization because this Du'a Iftitah is started by "Kabirau.........".
They follow madhab Shafi'i.

But, I've never seen it in any of the videos or online resources (except a couple of Indonesian websites, but I can't read them!)... Can someone explain which way is proper?
There are few versions of Du'a Iftitah (Du'a between Niyyat and Al-Fatihah) and you can chose one version.
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syilla
09-10-2009, 03:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amanda
There was no inconvenience at all! I'm glad I asked and was able to learn about the different ways people have been taught to pray (as I had been under the false assumption that all of it would be exactly the same for everyone... I hadn't known that we can include do'a that might be different than someone else), as well as to learn that my way was not wrong. I greatly appreciate that you looked into it for me as well, and were willing to help me out. Thank you for that, brother.
the most important thing is to follow the prophet's way of salah :)
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Al Mu'minaat
09-27-2009, 02:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amanda
Assalamu alaikum,

I have a question about what to say when praying. After I reverted, my husband (who is Indonesian) bought a book so that I could learn how to pray and what it meant. I've also been checking online, and watching videos and reading stuff about the daily prayers, and I'm a bit confused. In my book, after the niyyat comes a part that goes like this:

Kabirau wal hadulillahi katsirau wasubhanallahi bukrataw waasila inni wajjahtu wajjhiya liladzi-fatharas samawati wal ardlo hanifan musliman wama ana minal musyrikin. Inna sholati wanusuki wamahyaya wamamati lillahi robbil’alamin. Lasyarika lahu wabi dzalika umirtu wa ana minal muslimin.

But, I've never seen it in any of the videos or online resources (except a couple of Indonesian websites, but I can't read them!)... Can someone explain which way is proper?
How to Perform Salaat,
the Islamic Ritual Prayer
Before Salaat

1. Body, clothes and place of prayer must be clean.
2. Perform wudu (ritual ablution) if needed.
3. Women are required to cover their hair.
4. Face the Qibla, the direction of Mecca.
5. Stand erect, head down, hands at sides, feet evenly spaced.
6. Recite Iqama (private call to prayer):
6a. Here are some sample audiofiles of the Athan (call to prayer) Quicktime, they are very similar to Iqama: Real Audio MP3

Allaahu Akbar (4x)
Ashhadu Allah ilaaha illa-Lah (2x)
Ash Hadu anna Muhamadar rasuulullah (2x)
Hayya' alas Salaah (2x)
Hayya' ala Falaah (2x)
[Fajr only] A-Salaatu Khayrun Mina-Naum (2x)
Qad qaamitis Salaah (2x) [Iqama only - not recited in Athan]
Allaahu Akbar (2x)
Laa ilaaha illa-Lah God is great. (x4)
I bear witness that there none worthy of worship except God. (x2)
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God. (x2)
Come to prayer. (x2)
Come to felicity. (x2)
[Fajr only] Prayer is better than sleep. (x2)
[Iqama only] Our prayers are now ready. Our prayers are now ready. (x2)
God is great. (x2)
There is none worthy of worship except God.

7. Express intent to perform Salaat (niyyat):
I intend to offer _____ rakats of the ____ prayer, and face the Qibla for the sake of Allah and Allah alone.
(For example: "I intend to offer the 4 rakats of the Isha prayer and face the Qibla for the sake of Allah and Allah alone.")

Begin Salaat

1. Niyyat: Stand with respect and attention; put the world behind you.
Bring hands to ears, palms forward, thumbs behind earlobes and say (The entire prayer must be recited in Arabic, but for your information we give the English translation next to the Arabic transliteration) :

Allahu Akbar God is great.

2. Qiyam: Place right hand over left, men below navel, women at chest level;
look at the ground in front of you and recite Opening Supplication

3. Fatiha: Recite aloud the Fatiha, the first surah of the Qur'an. MP3 RealAudio

Al-Fatiha

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful (1)

Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, (2) The Beneficent, the Merciful. (3) Owner of the Day of Judgment, (4) Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help. (5) Show us the straight path, (6) The path of those whom Thou hast favoured. Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray. (7)

For the first two rakats at any time of prayer, recite an additional short selection from the Qur'an after al Fatiha.

4. Ruk'u: Hands drop to sides; bend from waist, palms on knees, back parallel to ground; look at feet.

(While bending:) Allahu Akbar
(While bent:) Subhanna rabbiyal 'Azeem (3x)
God is great.
Holy is my Lord, the Magnificent.

5. Qauma: Rise from bending to standing, arms at sides.

While rising:) Sami' allaahu liman hamidah

(Response from congregation:) Rabbanaa wa lakal hamd

(Standing straight, pause:) Allahu Akbar
Allah listens to him who praises Him.

Our Lord, to You is due all praise.


God is great.

6. Sudjood: Prostrate—hands on knees, lower slowly to kneeling position;
touch forehead, nose and palms to ground (but not elbows);
bend toes so tops of feet face the Qibla.

Subhaana rabbiyal 'Alaa (3x)

(Pause:) Allahu Akbar
Glory to my Lord, the Most High.

God is great.

7. Qu'ud: Rise to sitting position, looking at lap. Men turn up heel of right foot,
right toes bent; women keep both feet, soles up, under body.

(Pause:) Allahu Akbar God is great.

8. Sudjood: Prostrate again.

Subhaana rabbiyal 'Alaa (3x)

(Pause:) Allahu Akbar
Glory to my Lord, the Most High.

God is great.

9. Qu'ud: Rise to sitting position;

pause pause

10. To proceed to the second and fourth rakats:
(While rising:) Allahu Akbar God is great. Return to standing position recite al-Fateha

Then recite the Fatiha, (if this is the second rakat of any time of prayer, recite another short portion of the Qur'an); continue the second or fourth rakat with Ruku....

11. To complete every second rakat and the last rakat:
Remain seated and recite At-Tashahhud:1

At Tahiyyaatu lilaahi was Salawaatu wat tayibaatu
As Salaamu 'alaika ayyuhan nabiyyu wa rahmatul laahi wa barakaatuh
As Salaamu 'alainaa wa 'alaa 'ebaadillaahis saaliheen,
(Hands on knees, raise right forefinger:) Ash hadu allaa ilaah ilallaah
Wa ash hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhuu wa rasuuluh
All greetings, blessings and good acts are from You, my Lord.
Greetings to you, O Prophet, and the mercy and blessings of Allah.
Peace be unto us, and unto the righteous servants of Allah.
I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah.
And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger.

To proceed to the third rakat:
(While rising:) Allahu Akbar God is great. Return to standing position recite al-Fatiha

Recite the Fatiha and continue third rakat with Ruk'u....
At the end of any time of prayer (when all rakats have been completed):
Remain seated, recite At-Tashahhud, and then recite the Salawat:


Allaahumma salli 'alaa Muhammadin wa 'alaa ali Muhammadin
Kamaa sallaita 'alaa Ibraaheema wa 'alaa ali Ibraaheema
Innaka hameedun Majeed
Alaahumma baarik 'ala Muhammadin wa 'alaa ali Muhammadin
Kamaa baarakta 'alaa Ibraaheema wa 'alaa ali Ibraaheema
Innaka hameedun Majeed O Allah, bless our Muhammad and the people of Muhammad;
As you have blessed Abraham and the people of Abraham.
Surely you are the Praiseworthy, the Glorious.
O Allah, be gracious unto Muhammad and the people of Muhammad;
As you were gracious unto Abraham and the people of Abraham.
Surely you are the Praiseworthy, the Glorious

To Complete the Prayer: Look over right shoulder (toward the angel recording your good deeds), then the left (toward the angel recording your wrongful deeds); say each time:
As Salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatulaah Peace and blessings of God be upon you.

Say personal prayers with hands cupped and palms up at chest level.
Wipe face with palms.
If praying in a group, stand and greet each other individually,
saying: "May God receive our prayers."

1At-Tashahhud is a recreation of the conversation held between Allah and the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing upon him) during the night of the Heavenly Ascent (Miraj)

I Hope Inshallah.. That Is Of Great Benefit inshallah..
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