Someone Please Explain

[DigitalStorm82]

"Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the Zalimun [5:29]

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "No human being is
killed unjustly, but a part of responsibility for the crime is
laid on the first son of Adam who invented the tradition of
killing (murdering) on the earth. (It is said that he was
Qabil).

Isn't this like an original sin like Christians?

['Abdul Rahmaan]

"Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the Zalimun [5:29]

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "No human being is
killed unjustly, but a part of responsibility for the crime is
laid on the first son of Adam who invented the tradition of
killing (murdering) on the earth. (It is said that he was
Qabil).

Isn't this like an original sin like Christians?

The concept of original sin in Christianity is based upon the sin of Adam. Adam sinned but was not forgiven. While the concept of original sin in Islam is based upon the sin of Qabil. Qabil sinned but didn't repent.

So, to compare the concept of original sin in both the religions we must focus on the concept of repentance in both the religions instead of focusing on the names.

The concept of repentance in both the religions is difference, so is the concept of original sin.

[DigitalStorm82]

"Say: Shall I seek Lord other than God, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any sin except against himself (only), and no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing" (Quran 6:164)

"Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens shall bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger" (Quran 17:15)

"And no bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden; and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be laden even though he be near of kin, you can warn only those who fear their Lord unseen and perform prayers. And who purifies himself then he purifies for the benefit of his ownself. And to God is the final return." (Quran 35:18)

"If you disbelieve, then God is not in need of you; He likes not disbelief for his slaves. And if you are grateful, He is pleased therewith for you. No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you what you used to do. He is the All-Knower of that which is in the breasts (Of men)" (Quran 39:07)

[GreyKode]

"Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the Zalimun [5:29]

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "No human being is
killed unjustly, but a part of responsibility for the crime is
laid on the first son of Adam who invented the tradition of
killing (murdering) on the earth. (It is said that he was
Qabil).

Isn't this like an original sin like Christians?

I believe this is the exact opposite of the original sin.

Original Sin : We are all to pay for Adam's sin.

This case : The first son of Adam will cary the sin of all those who murder, and this I think this is consistent with the Islamic concept that whoever invents a good action (sunnah) he will get the reward for it and for whomever does it after him, and whomever comes up with an evil innovation will carry a sin for that and the sins of all who do it after him.

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[DigitalStorm82]

so part of our sin goes to Adam?

[zakirs]

so part of our sin goes to Adam?

No it won't

"Say: Shall I seek Lord other than God, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any sin except against himself (only), and no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing" (Quran 6:164)

[DigitalStorm82]

Then how can he say "Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire, and that is the recompense of the Zalimun [5:29]

[Snowflake]

Have you looked at other translations?

[DigitalStorm82]

Yes, they all say the same thing.

[zakirs]

Lets study the entire thing..

From Yusuf Ali's translation:

Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to Allah): It was accepted from one, but not from the other. Said the latter: "Be sure I will slay thee." "Surely," said the former, "Allah doth accept of the sacrifice of those who are righteous. (27)
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds. (28)
"For me, I intend to let thee draw on thyself my sin as well as thine, for thou wilt be among the companions of the fire, and that is the reward of those who do wrong." (29)
The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones. (30)
Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. "Woe is me!" said he; "Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?" then he became full of regrets- (31)

I guess the bold part refers to the speech of the two brothers.So i guess the underlined part is also spoken by the brother.I guess my sin refers to the brother's sin.

:sl:

Sorry if i am wrong anywhere and correct me please.

[zakirs]

I guess my sin refers to raising his hand to slay the other person in self defence.??

Some knowledgeable person , please help and tell me if what i think is right.

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds. (28)

[DigitalStorm82]

but what's in question is the "drawing" and "transferring" of the sin.

[zakirs]

Here the sin of raising hand for self defense to slay is transferred to the aggressor i guess.It is completely different from original sin.Logically seen its not even transfer of sin.And i guess Adam pbuh is not mentioned here.

:sl: May Allah forgive me if i am wrong

[DigitalStorm82]

English Shakir: [5:29]
Surely I wish that you should bear the sin committed against me and your own sin, and so you would be of the inmates of the fire, and this is the recompense of the unjust.


This translation helps a lot vs all others.

[zakirs]

yeah .. you refers to attacker and me refers to defender right ?.. can somebody clear this up ?

[newBro]

Assalamualaikum,
You're forgetting the Hadith :
Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "No human being is
killed unjustly, but a part of responsibility for the crime is
laid on the first son of Adam who invented the tradition of
killing (murdering) on the earth. (It is said that he was
Qabil).

Anyone who kills has sinned. But this sin is not only added to the killer's account, but also to the account of Qaabil. As someone mentioned, it is similar to the hadith that says something to the extent that whoever initiates a good deed in which others follow, then the hasanaat of the latter will also be added to the account of the one who started the deed, without decreasing the hasanaat of those who followed in any way. And the hadith mentioned something similar about the one who initiated an evil deed.

As for the Ayaat, for example:
"And no bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden; and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be laden even though he be near of kin, you can warn only those who fear their Lord unseen and perform prayers. And who purifies himself then he purifies for the benefit of his ownself. And to God is the final return." (Quran 35:18)

Firstly, this is a rule where no such relation, i.e. that of initiator and followers, exists.
Secondly, this Ayat and others with similar meaning to it, refer to 'removing' the sin from the account of the evil-doer and transferring it to someone else's account, so that the evil-doer comes out as if he never did the evil that he did.

Hope this clears up the confusion.
Wassalam