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Hi friends ,
I am new to this forum. I am from India.
I would like to share my experience of meditation with you guys. Few months back, while meditating I was able to see the cosmic form of Shiv in which he created the universe.(Also known as Natraj) . Then i saw goddess kali.

It was few months back and I did not get enough time to meditate since then. In this period , i met a few other guys who have had wonderful experiences in meditation. One of the guys can see shiva and parvati(Shiva's wife ) talking to each other. One more guy , Vijay kumar has seen Christ and Mahavir while meditating. Also at a function at a gurudwara, I heard the granthi saying that guru nanak dev ji and guru arjun dev ji(the fifth sikh guru) can be seen by recitation of the mool mantra.
What does Islam say about meditation.
 
We have more superior form of meditation, which is called "shalat", which we perform 5 (five) times a day.

shalat is not just an "empty" form of meditation like what you have in Hindu.
In shalat, not only we meditate (with utmost concentration), but we also perform types of body movements with health benefits (like yoga), but the core of shalat is that we submit to Allah the One and Only God and praises Him. In shalat we also pray, ask forgiveness and make du'as.

So you see that our meditation is not just an empty act where we hallucinate ourselves into thinking we see someone with a thousand arms with his wife sitting on a cow.
 
How can millions have the same hallucination.
I probably did not know about natraj before seeing it myself while meditating. It was after seeing it that i researched about it on the internet. I was realy surprised to see the images of natraj idols on internet. They were exactly the same shape and size as i saw while meditating. Then i started wondering what's the basis of banning idol worship in Islam. Were the islamic priests not aware of this "Darshan" phenomenon while framing that rule.
 
indian, if you want to be more effective communicating your ideas/opinions here, first you need to explain to us all those hindu terms.
You see, you are writing on Islamic Board discussion forums, that means most of us either don't understand/never heard about those hindu words, and even if they know the meanings, chance is they don't give a slightest bit of interest.

Islam bans idol worships, because we must only worship God.
And there is no God but Allah.
Now think critically for yourself, what can a statue of half elephant-half man do for you?
can he give sustenance? did he create you?
and if you destroy that half elephant-half man, he's unable to defend himself, can he?
 
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Salam indian
How can millions have the same hallucination.
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Did millions have the same hallucination (Can you give a source of this info)? And out of these millions, had each and every one never seen the idol they were hallucinating of?
It was after seeing it that i researched about it on the internet. I was realy surprised to see the images of natraj idols on internet. They were exactly the same shape and size as i saw while meditating. Then i started wondering what's the basis of banning idol worship in Islam. Were the islamic priests not aware of this "Darshan" phenomenon while framing that rule.
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What is "Darshan" phenomenon? Like naidamar said, you have to tell us what you mean by these Hindu terms. And even Hindu scriptures, along with Quran, criticize idol worship

The following verses from the Yajurveda
"na tasya pratima asti
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]

"shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]

"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]

Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:

"Na tasya Pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]
The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:

"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]
We should not worship anything no man, no idol, except Him according to the verse given above. So why do Hindus worship idols?
Peace
 
I'd be seriously worried if I started having visions about Kali who needs to be appeased through human sacrifice :-\

If the goddess were to grant Khudu Karmakar the awesome powers he expected from a virgin's death, the victim had to be willing, had to know what was happening, watch the knife, and not stop it. But even tranquilizers couldn't lull 15-year-old Manju Kumari to her fate. In his police confession, Karmakar says his wife, daughter and three accomplices had to gag Manju and pin her down on the earthen floor before the shrine. In ritual order, Karmakar wafted incense over her, tore off her blue skirt and pink T shirt, shaved her, sprinkled her with holy water from the Ganges and rubbed her with cooking fat. Then chanting mantras to the "mother" goddess Kali, he sawed off Manju's hands, breasts and left foot, placing the body parts in front of a photograph of a blood-soaked Kali idol. Police say the arcs of blood on the walls suggest Manju bled to death in minutes.
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,322673,00.html
 
_ALI_ said:
Salam indian

Did millions have the same hallucination (Can you give a source of this info)? And out of these millions, had each and every one never seen the idol they were hallucinating of?

What is "Darshan" phenomenon? Like naidamar said, you have to tell us what you mean by these Hindu terms. And even Hindu scriptures, along with Quran, criticize idol worship

The following verses from the Yajurveda
"na tasya pratima asti
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]

"shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]

"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]

Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:

"Na tasya Pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]
The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:

"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]
We should not worship anything no man, no idol, except Him according to the verse given above. So why do Hindus worship idols?
Peace
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"darshan phenomenon is seeing the deities, listening to them talking and even communicating to them and asking you problems and taking help " while in deep meditation by the use of mantras(naam). "
The shapeless ,(Nirgun rup) form of god can be reached in a similar way as these deities by the recitation of "aum " mantra.
Infact these deities have become one with the god. Even christ is one of them.
 
And i would also like to tell what's the ultimate goal in any hindu's life.

It is to achieve "paramgati". That is oneness with god.

_Ali_ if you have any doubts, then you can read the "kaivalya Upanishad" . It is a part of the "Yajurveda".
 
brother indian from bombay city i am fascinated by this stuff, how do i meditate to see my future wife and if shes a loud mouth how quick can i abort the mediation?
 
Abdullahii said:
brother indian from bombay city i am fascinated by this stuff, how do i meditate to see my future wife and if shes a loud mouth how quick can i abort the mediation?[/Q UOTE]

lol....
dude meditation is just one way of reaching god. If you have firm belief in allah, he will show his form to you himself. It is he who does everything, we are only puppets.
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Greetings,

Welcome to the forum, indian. :)

It's very interesting to hear your thoughts on meditation. What do you think causes devotees to see aspects of god in deep meditation?

Peace
 
_ALI_ said:
Salam indian

Did millions have the same hallucination (Can you give a source of this info)? And out of these millions, had each and every one never seen the idol they were hallucinating of?

What is "Darshan" phenomenon? Like naidamar said, you have to tell us what you mean by these Hindu terms. And even Hindu scriptures, along with Quran, criticize idol worship

The following verses from the Yajurveda
"na tasya pratima asti
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]

"shudhama poapvidham"
"He is bodyless and pure."
[Yajurveda 40:8]

"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste"
"They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti."
[Yajurveda 40:9]

Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:

"Na tasya Pratima asti"
"There is no image of Him."
[Yajurveda 32:3]
The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:

"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]
We should not worship anything no man, no idol, except Him according to the verse given above. So why do Hindus worship idols?
Peace
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The verses say that the true nature of God is attributless without image. This can only be realised when a person gets rid of the influence of Maya completley, otherwise he is in the pragmatic state where he only see's Brahman (the Supreme creator) as Ishwara on earth, in which he manifests into millions of forms. The Yajur Veda doesn't condemn idol worship, it simply states that it will not fulfil your eventual desire to realise the true nature of God.
 
Charzhino said:
The verses say that the true nature of God is attributless without image. This can only be realised when a person gets rid of the influence of Maya completley, otherwise he is in the pragmatic state where he only see's Brahman (the Supreme creator) as Ishwara on earth, in which he manifests into millions of forms. The Yajur Veda doesn't condemn idol worship, it simply states that it will not fulfil your eventual desire to realise the true nature of God.
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It must be tough for Hindu to realise true nature of God, which is without image, when they built millions of statues everywhere around them that are attributed to god, some have many arms and some sit on a cow and some have elephant head, and worship them.
 
naidamar said:
It must be tough for Hindu to realise true nature of God, which is without image, when they built millions of statues everywhere around them that are attributed to god, some have many arms and some sit on a cow and some have elephant head, and worship them.
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But what i want to say is that these statutes are not built out of imagination like the greek gods zeus etc. "Krishna" has 1000 arms / 1000 heads in his form. Similarly , shiv sits on a cow "nandi" . "Ganesha" has an elephant head. These forms can be seen while meditating or in pure belief and then have been carved into statues.
 
Running is my meditation. Whenever I need to clear my head, I go for a jog.
It's quite refreshing.

czgibson said:
What do you think causes devotees to see aspects of god in deep meditation?
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I've never seen anything resembling any kind of god, probably because I didn't expect to.

My father does the whole deep-breathing-clear-your-mind-close-your-eyes-and-sit-still meditation, and he's never seen anything, either.

If you give people the suggestion, I'm sure that most will see their chosen deity when they are told that they will.
There are people who honestly feel connected to Jesus when they speak in tongues or whatever it is they do.

indian said:
we are only puppets.
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Eeep. I hope not.
 
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indian said:
But what i want to say is that these statutes are not built out of imagination like the greek gods zeus etc. "Krishna" has 1000 arms / 1000 heads in his form. Similarly , shiv sits on a cow "nandi" . "Ganesha" has an elephant head. These forms can be seen while meditating or in pure belief and then have been carved into statues.
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Okaayy......
 
Gubbleknucker said:
Running is my meditation. Whenever I need to clear my head, I go for a jog.
It's quite refreshing.



I've never seen anything resembling any kind of god, probably because I didn't expect to.

My father does the whole deep-breathing-clear-your-mind-close-your-eyes-and-sit-still meditation, and he's never seen anything, either.

If you give people the suggestion, I'm sure that most will see their chosen deity when they are told that they will.
There are people who honestly feel connected to Jesus when they speak in tongues or whatever it is they do.



Eeep. I hope not.
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Who is your dad's guru??? I think he is not taking proper guidance. Mediation has nothing to do with "deep-breathing-clear-your-mind-close-your-eyes-and-sit-still" .
Proper meditation has many forms like nam japna, dhyan, samadhi , awakening of kundlini etc. But sometimes it is confused with sitting idle without thinking anything , closed eyes erect posture etc which is wrong.
 
naidamar said:
It must be tough for Hindu to realise true nature of God, which is without image, when they built millions of statues everywhere around them that are attributed to god, some have many arms and some sit on a cow and some have elephant head, and worship them.
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The supreme God Brahaman in it's absolute form is attributless and impersonal. Brahman is a non-personal concept of God, not the personal, and one must realise Brahman as it is not possible to worship an impersonal God as such an enitity has no attributes in absolute terms. This is where Ganesha and other ideas and forms of a personal God come into play so that they can create a centre point for believers to worship
 
indian said:
Who is your dad's guru??? I think he is not taking proper guidance. Mediation has nothing to do with "deep-breathing-clear-your-mind-close-your-eyes-and-sit-still"
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I don't know what he does, I just know that he meditates an hour a day and has loads of books on the subject.
 
Charzhino said:
The supreme God Brahaman in it's absolute form is attributless and impersonal. Brahman is a non-personal concept of God, not the personal, and one must realise Brahman as it is not possible to worship an impersonal God as such an enitity has no attributes in absolute terms. This is where Ganesha and other ideas and forms of a personal God come into play so that they can create a centre point for believers to worship
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Sounds very similar to Christianity.
 

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