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Very useful threads and links for those looking into Islam
Have a look at the Qur'an in English translation
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/Surai.htm
The so called scientific claims are in reality somewhat spurious , I have read the quran and see medical and astronomical facilicies with the greatest of respect gynacologically for example:
The Quran implies that semen production takes place in the kidney or back area:
"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7
Dr. William Campbell explains why this passage is incompatible with modern medical knowledge relating to the production of semen:
Here we find that Man is made from a 'gushing fluid' that issues from the adult father during the 'now' of the reproductive act, from a specific physical place 'between the loins and the ribs.' (other translations have backbone instead of loins) Since the verse is speaking of the moment of adult reproduction it can't be talking about the time of embryonic development. Moreover, since 'sulb' is being used in conjunction with 'gushing fluid', which can only be physical; and 'tara'ib' which is another physical word for chest or thorax or ribs, it can't be euphemistic.
Therefore, we are left with the very real problem that the semen is coming from the back or kidney area and not the testicles.
Dr. Bucaille, as a physician recognizes this problem only too well, so he wiggles and squirms (as he accuses the Christian commentators of doing) and finally after quoting the verse as we have seen it translated above says, 'This would seem more to be an interpretation than a translation. It is hardly comprehensible'. This is the second time he has called the Qur'an obscure or hardly comprehensible when there was a problem.
Therefore, let us look at the translations which I have been consulting. Those made by Muslims are:
Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Egyptian, 1946 with a preface from 1938
'He is created from a drop emitted—proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.'
Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall, English, 1977 (translation probably 1940)
'He is created from a gushing fluid that issued from between the loins and ribs.'
Muhammad Zafrulla Khan, Pakistani, 1971
'He is created from a fluid poured forth, which issues forth from between the loins and the breastbones.'
Muhammad Hamidullah, French, 1981 (10th Edition, completely revised)
'Il a été créé d'une giclée d'eau sortie d'entre lombes et côtes.'
He was created from a spurt of water coming out between the loins and ribs.
Made by a non-Muslim: D. Masson, French 1967
'Il a été créé d'une goutte d'eau répandue sortie d'entre les lombes et les côtes.'
He was created from a drop of spread out water coming out between the loins and the ribs.
That these five translations are exactly equal is perfectly obvious to every reader even if he does not know French or the original Arabic.
Dr. Bucaille's Translation
What would Dr. Bucaille like to suggest? He writes, 'Two verses in the Qur'an deal with sexual relations themselves... When translations and explanatory commentaries are consulted however, one is struck by the divergences between them. I have pondered for a long time on the translation of such verses (In plain English that means there is 'an improbability or a contradiction, prudishly called a "difficulty"' <sic>), and am indebted to Doctor A. K. Giraud, Former Professor at the Faculty of Medicine, Beirut, for the following:
"(Man was fashioned from a liquid poured out. It issued (as a result) of the conjunction of the sexual area of the man and the sexual area of the woman."
'The sexual area of the man is indicated in the text of the Qur'an by the word
sulb (singular). The sexual areas of the woman are designated in the Qur'an by the word
tara'ib (plural).
'This is the translation which appears to be most satisfactory.'
When compared, however, with the five translations quoted above, it is clear that Dr. Bucaille's suggestion is not a translation, nor even a paraphrase. It is an 'explanation' and 'interpretation' which rests on the following
basic assumptions:
a. That the word 'sulb' can stand for the male sexual area. Though no examples of such a usage from the 1st century of Islam have been given.
b. That the phrase '(as a result) of the conjunction' can be found in the two Arabic words 'min bain' which literally mean 'from between'.
c. That the word 'tara'ib' can mean 'the sexual areas of the woman'.
This last word occurs exactly one time in the Qur'an and you cannot establish a meaning with one usage. The dictionaries of Wehr, Abdel-Nour, and Kasimirski mention (a)the chest, (b)the upper part of the chest between the breasts and the clavicles, and (c)the ribs, and Abdel-Nour includes (d)the euphemistic extension to the breasts. It can also include the neck up to the chin and speak poetically of the area for a woman's necklace.
No dictionary includes the female genital area, and Dr. Bucaille has given no examples from literature to support his idea. He seems to be fulfilling his own complaint against others. He is trying "to camouflage (his problems) with dialectical acrobatics" (Campbell,
The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science [Middle East Resources 1992, ISBN 1-881085-00-7], pp. 182-184).
To avoid attributing a scientific error to the Quran, some Muslims claim that the Quran is not referring to the production of semen. Rather, they claim that the Quran is referring to the area that supplies the testes with the necessary blood supply to produce semen. Typical of such a Muslim response is the following proposed by the Learner:
1The moon is within all seven heavens koran 71:16 This means that the first heaven, including stars and the sun is closer to earth then the moon! This means that the earth would be burnt till ashes if the sun and the stars were so close the earth!!!
The Qur'an is telling us that the stars are very small, and they are inside the sky, or at least the equivalent distance that the sun is from the earth. The lowest heaven means the closest part to the earth.
Nevertheless, the Qur'an's reference to seven heavens has been hailed by numerous Muslims as a great scientific insight. Harun Yahya, a popular Muslim apologist well known for his creationist, anti-evolution booklets and assertions that the Qur'an has scientific miracles, looks at this. In his
Miracles of the Qur'an, he claims that the Qur'an is giving us insightful scientific instruction on what scientists only discovered in the 20th century: that the earth's atmosphere has seven layers (i.e., the stratosphere, ionosphere, exosphere, etc). However, Yahya completely ignores that the Qur'an also says, to be consistent with such a claim,
that stars we see are to be found in the lowest levels of our atmosphere!
But we find even more errors regarding stars that ought to be of interest to astronomers. We read that this god has, "
...set out constellations in the heavens... And moreover we have guarded them from every accursed Satan. But any that gains a hearing by stealth, is pursued by a fiery comet..." (Qur'an 15:16-19; see also 37:6-7; 67:5).
The Qur'an is telling us that stars and comets chase after evil spirits. It seems strange in any case, that these evil spirits (that Islam teaches are there to cause man mischief) are also
millions of light years away, letting themselves be chased by enormous stars and comets, when they could be perfectly safe on earth.
The Qur'an tells us about the prophet Abraham. Like Jews and Christians, they believe he was an historical character. Muslims assert that the Qur'an is the most accurate historical record of all prophets. After telling us that Abraham survived the flood that was in Noah's time (Qur'an 37:79-83), we read that, "
Then did he cast a glance at the Stars, and he said, "I am indeed sick at heart." So they turned away from him and departed" (37:88-90). Because Abraham felt sick, the stars all fled from his presence.
The sun moves around the earth.
The Qur'an talks of the earth in terms
as if it were stationary,
with the sun and stars moving around the earth (Qur'an 2:258;
21:33; 36:40; 52:49; 53:1). "
It is he who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in it's rounded course" (21:33).
We know today that the sun is far bigger than the earth, and is drawing the round earth in it's orbit.
Recently discovered Science in the 1400 yr old Qur'an
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...old-quran.html
The Miracle and the Challenge of the Qur'an
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...nge-quran.html
Scientific proof that islam is the truth
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39647
Scientists Declare Scientific Miracles of the Qur'an!
1The moon is within all seven heavens koran 71:16 This means that the first heaven, including stars and the sun is closer to earth then the moon! This means that the earth would be burnt till ashes if the sun and the stars were so close the earth!!!
The Qur'an is telling us that the stars are very small, and they are inside the sky, or at least the equivalent distance that the sun is from the earth. The lowest heaven means the closest part to the earth.
Nevertheless, the Qur'an's reference to seven heavens has been hailed by numerous Muslims as a great scientific insight. Harun Yahya, a popular Muslim apologist well known for his creationist, anti-evolution booklets and assertions that the Qur'an has scientific miracles, looks at this. In his
Miracles of the Qur'an, he claims that the Qur'an is giving us insightful scientific instruction on what scientists only discovered in the 20th century: that the earth's atmosphere has seven layers (i.e., the stratosphere, ionosphere, exosphere, etc). However, Yahya completely ignores that the Qur'an also says, to be consistent with such a claim,
that stars we see are to be found in the lowest levels of our atmosphere!
But we find even more errors regarding stars that ought to be of interest to astronomers. We read that this god has, "
...set out constellations in the heavens... And moreover we have guarded them from every accursed Satan. But any that gains a hearing by stealth, is pursued by a fiery comet..." (Qur'an 15:16-19; see also 37:6-7; 67:5).
The Qur'an is telling us that stars and comets chase after evil spirits. It seems strange in any case, that these evil spirits (that Islam teaches are there to cause man mischief) are also
millions of light years away, letting themselves be chased by enormous stars and comets, when they could be perfectly safe on earth.
The Qur'an tells us about the prophet Abraham. Like Jews and Christians, they believe he was an historical character. Muslims assert that the Qur'an is the most accurate historical record of all prophets. After telling us that Abraham survived the flood that was in Noah's time (Qur'an 37:79-83), we read that, "
Then did he cast a glance at the Stars, and he said, "I am indeed sick at heart." So they turned away from him and departed" (37:88-90). Because Abraham felt sick, the stars all fled from his presence.
The sun moves around the earth.
The Qur'an talks of the earth in terms
as if it were stationary,
with the sun and stars moving around the earth (Qur'an 2:258;
21:33; 36:40; 52:49; 53:1). "
It is he who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in it's rounded course" (21:33).
We know today that the sun is far bigger than the earth, and is drawing the round earth in it's orbit.
http://www.islamicboard.com/health-s...les-quran.html
Amazing Clips of Scientists converted to Islam talking about Miracles in The Qur'an
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=39357
Embryology in the Qur'an
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...ogy-quran.html
Life on Earth in the Qur'an
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=39341
The Creation of the Universe in the Qur'an
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=39337&page=2
The Miracles of the Quran
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=44126
The Amazing Qur'an
http://saif_w.tripod.com/explore/i4wm/03.htm
The Consistency of the Qur'an
http://www.islamic.org.uk/I4WM/consiste.htm
Who Wrote the Holy Qur'an?
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...oly-quran.html
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http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...man-green.html
I truely offer these for discussion in peace and with respect, I do hope I get peoplke to discuss these issues with
Blessings