Is it a Womens fault for being raped?

[S<Chowdhury]

Dressing in a immodest way and then being intoxicated for instance is dangerous behaviour, they become more of desirable target, of course.

But is it really the womens fault that a sick man sinned gravely and violated her? It is, however, perhaps partly her fault that she in particular was chosen over another woman.

I'd say it mostly the Rapist fault, he's the one who's actually gone and committed a grave crime. But the victim to a certain extent had a part to play in getting herself in that risky positions in the first place.

[Cabdullahi]

if you keep it on show expect it to go and as for the thief his neck should be sliced really slow

[Maryan0]

If someone foolishley carries a bag of money in a neighborhood famous for muggings it does not mean they deserve to be robbed. Rape is a violation of the highest order. However women should not put themselves in a situation that leaves them in a position to be raped there are sick people who take advantage of people and women are vulnerable in many ways and should protect themselves. The whole "they asked for it" is insensitive. Nobody asks to be raped, murdered or violated in any way. Rape is a punishable crime in Islam.
salam

[Beardo]

To a certain extent, yes.

I mean, she's obviously trying to show off her beauty and she should know that beauty is attractive to the opposite gender, or in this day and age, even to the same gender Inna Lillah.

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[Asiyaah]

I say it is not her fault. In western culture the media is bombarding women to dress immodestly. Many young women feel this is expected of them. Also rape usually has nothing to do with sex but a man feeling powerful over a victim.

[Cabdullahi]

I say it is not her fault. In western culture the media is bombarding women to dress immodestly. Many young women feel this is expected of them. Also rape usually has nothing to do with sex but a man feeling powerful over a victim.

In the west men are also bombarded to only think about sex through pornography that teaches rape

[zacc]

No it is not any woman's fault for being raped what sort of question is this?????

Have you dealt with women who have have been subjected to this barbaric ordeal???? trust me it is the most hardest of the jobs when you deal with rape, child abuse, domestic violence. What can you say if a woman dresses in a certain type of clothing she is asking for it.

A woman has the right to choose what she wears. I know women who have been abused in muslim countries and it is a sad fact of life that is goes on.

I hope these sick perverts get the justice they deserve when the meet their victim on the day of judgement.

[Cabdullahi]

women who go out to night clubs just wearing undergarments that look like two pieces of dental floss stuck together and milk bladder shields drinking all the alcohol there is despite knowing the risks are not to be blamed not one iota!

[Ummu Sufyaan]

:sl:

I mean, she's obviously trying to show off her beauty and she should know that beauty is attractive to the opposite gender, or in this day and age, even to the same gender Inna Lillah.

believe it or not most women who dress immodestly do so to make themselves feel good, not to say "im an invitation to all" very rarely will you get a woman dressing immodestly to attract the opposite gender-there is a different, though very subtle.

why do you men think the world revolves around you? maybe he should learn how to restrain himself as well no ones putting a gun to his head and telling you to go after her! some men will look at anything that moves :hmm: so you're equally as responsible.

but a woman should be cautious as well the hijab will act as a deterrent (of course that isnt to imply that it is her fault if she gets raped) for example you dont go to narrow alley ways at night-that's just asking for trouble.

women who go out to night clubs just wearing undergarments that look like two pieces of dental floss stuck together and milk bladder shields drinking all the alcohol there is despite knowing the risks are not to be blamed not one iota!

im not saying that risks arent higher or that she should be dressed like that, but how someone acts and how someone esle reacts, are 2 different things.

[Cabdullahi]

that stuff is confusing maybe they shouldn't wear a hoes uniform so that the threat can be eradicated ? sounds like a good idea

[Kinza]

you cant blame someone for the act of another. The women is responsible for the way she dresses just as the man is for his actions. Sure, men might get tempted but its up to them to control themselves (self-control?) because its their problem not the woman's.

[Salahudeen]

I think it's the man's fault, but if you have a women fully covered not exposing any of her body, and a women walking round half naked which 1 is going to appeal to the rapists desire and lure him?

[Italianguy]

NEVER in any way shape or form is it ever a womans fault if she is raped! ....ever!:heated:

God forgive me for what I may become, come a day i catch a rapist in my hands:raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::ragi ng::raging::raging:

[Italianguy]

Does this thread actually have any merit? Or a point? There shouldn't even be a chance for someone to vote yes....or maybe:hmm:


Moddddddddssssss!

[Donia]

In my opinion, I do not believe it is a woman's fault for being raped nor do I believe she is asking for it.
For women who are not Muslims (and even some who are - Astaghfurillah), it is normal nowadays to go out in shorts and a tank top in the summer and that is not considered "revealing" in some cultures. Of course in Islam women are supposed to dress differently but I'm just trying to explain that how some women do not even see a "problem" with the way they are dressed and almost even think they are dressing conservatively and they may not know any better.

Just like a woman should try to guard herself by dressing conservatively and modest to deter such actions as much as she can, a man should guard himself and lower his gaze. If he sees a woman dressed in a way that attracts him, then he should look away.

I know it is usually men as the rapist and women as the victims but there are cases where the roles are reversed also.
The point being that each individual is responsible for their own actions and we will all be judged accordingly.

[-Elle-]

:sl:
this is such a dumb question (no offense to thread starter)


believe it or not most women who dress immodestly do so to make themselves feel good, not to say "im an invitation to all" very rarely will you get a woman dressing immodestly to attract the opposite gender-there is a different, though very subtle.

why do you men think the world revolves around you? maybe he should learn how to restrain himself as well no ones putting a gun to his head and telling you to go after her! some men will look at anything that moves :hmm: so you're equally as responsible.

but a woman should be cautious as well the hijab will act as a deterrent (of course that isnt to imply that it is her fault if she gets raped) for example you dont go to narrow alley ways at night-that's just asking for trouble.



im not saying that risks arent higher or that she should be dressed like that, but how someone acts and how someone esle reacts, are 2 different things.

Very well said, Jazak'Allah kheir.

Believe it or not, many, many women have low self-esteem, which is why they wear what they wear. I am not saying all of them dress like that because of low self-esteem, Allahu 3alam of their intentions, but many of them do.

They need a look or a comment here and there to feel "beautiful". That's usually what they get, and they don't expect anything more, and nothing more should be expected by men.

The image that is projected by the media is their only referral to what "beauty" is; which is why they display themselves the way they do. sub7an'Allah and AlhamdulillAh for hijab, i'll never say that enough.


That does not justify rape whatsoever. It is one of the worst violations which may exist; nothing may ever justify it nor excuse it in the least bit. We have no idea the psychological and emotional effect it has on a woman, or man even,and insh'Allah none of us will ever know it.

[CosmicPathos]

^^ so women have low-esteem and they wear ****ty clothings to increase their esteem eh? Way to go. Maybe in the same way, a rapist commits a crime because he has low-esteem and cannot establish a relationship with women. So he insteads gives in to his carnal desires and spreads his seed without involving in all the baggage that comes in relationships...... of course rape is despicable but please do not give excuses to such women! There are indeed few sisters who suffer this horrendous crime despite them being fully modest and I indeed feel for them.

My opinion does not matter an iota to Allah. I will state what I have come to realize is Islam's opinion. No soul shall burden the sin of another. A male rapist is responsible for his actions. At the same time, a woman, who got raped for being dressed immodest, will be punished, at the very least, for immodest dressing, regardless of whether she got raped or not. Depending on the situation, the Qadi has the permission to apply ta'zirr punishment so that other women do not follow this ****ty woman.

Women who have good conscience, do not dress immodestly. On the contrary, the women who dress immodestly are actually quite confident and take part in pornographic films because they like it. They get money for it and they choose to do it. Very few of them actually realize down the road that they were sinning and get out of that business. Its a two way business. men buy porn. Women participate in porn. Each is punishable for his role, according to Islam.

[Snowflake]

But is it really the womens fault that a sick man sinned gravely and violated her? It is, however, perhaps partly her fault that she in particular was chosen over another woman.

It is your fault if knowing there are burglars about you left your doors and windows open and then your house got burgled? A woman has some responsibility to protect herself. Not all rapes occur because a man wants to yield power over a woman. Some rapes are purely for the sake of wanting to commit the s**ual act with a woman, either because she's taken the rapist's fancy or because he just wants to commit the act. This is a fact and men have admitted to it. A scantily dressed woman who gets raped is stupid and putting herself at risk. A rapist is evil. Both are guilty albeit in different ways.



Also not many people know this. In the British Army, if you steal anything you get 'stuck' (some term for punishment). BUT YOU ALSO GET STUCK FOR ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN! So both the victim and perpetrator are blamed!

Yet, when a muslim woman takes steps to protect herself by concealing herself, it is called oppression! Oh the double standards of the West! :heated:

[Raaina]

^^ so women have low-esteem and they wear ****ty clothings to increase their esteem eh? Way to go. Maybe in the same way, a rapist commits a crime because he has low-esteem and cannot establish a relationship with women. So he insteads gives in to his carnal desires and spreads his seed without involving in all the baggage that comes in relationships......

The difference in that is, one is a crime and the other is not.

How can anyone say a woman is partly to blame if she is jumped upon and dragged into some bushes and raped?

What happend to people being allow to wear what they want?

Not every woman wear's skimpy clothing and not only women in skimpy clothing get raped.

[Cabdullahi]

^^ so women have low-esteem and they wear ****ty clothings to increase their esteem eh? Way to go. Maybe in the same way, a rapist commits a crime because he has low-esteem and cannot establish a relationship with women. So he insteads gives in to his carnal desires and spreads his seed without involving in all the baggage that comes in relationships...... of course rape is despicable but please do not give excuses to such women! There are indeed few sisters who suffer this horrendous crime despite them being fully modest and I indeed feel for them.

My opinion does not matter an iota to Allah. I will state what I have come to realize is Islam's opinion. No soul shall burden the sin of another. A male rapist is responsible for his actions. At the same time, a woman, who got raped for being dressed immodest, will be punished, at the very least, for immodest dressing, regardless of whether she got raped or not. Depending on the situation, the Qadi has the permission to apply ta'zirr punishment so that other women do not follow this ****ty woman.

Women who have good conscience, do not dress immodestly. On the contrary, the women who dress immodestly are actually quite confident and take part in pornographic films because they like it. They get money for it and they choose to do it. Very few of them actually realize down the road that they were sinning and get out of that business. Its a two way business. men buy porn. Women participate in porn. Each is punishable for his role, according to Islam.

^ thats my boi! :D

[Ummu Sufyaan]

:sl:

Very well said, Jazak'Allah kheir.

[...]

wa iyyaki.
can i just clarify what i meant by "making themselves feel good" i didn't mean this as in to satisfy her lack of self esteem (if she dresses like that to gain the wrong attention, she has other issues that need to be addressed then to parade herself in front of a pack of wolves :rolleyes), but rather she dresses like that as it makes her well feel good...like for example even a hijaabi/niqaabi sisters dress the way they do becuase they like they way that their attire makes them feel satisified and good within themselves.
what im getting at is that people need to understand that dressing to please someone and to draw attention is different than dressing up for your own self...although your attire may be attractive and seem that you are indeed trying to draw the attention, it isnt the case in most cases.

if for example a woman goes dressed not so modestly and sits in a guys lap and flirts with him and all, im not saying it should give the green light to rape (let me get that clear), but at the same time she should be cautious about how men are. for example there was this story here a few months ago about a well known sports star who apparently him and four other guys were invited by a woman. later on the woman claims (i dont think she claimed that they raped her), but none the less some serious allegations were made against them. like situations like this, is a no brainier really. i mean what else do you think is going to happen when you invite 5 freaking men to your room. some common sense lady please!!!
again im not saying that what they did is right (i personally have my own reservations about the story itself ), but really, come on...


come on ladies!!! you are far better then to throw yourselves out :shade:

[aadil77]

No - everyone is responsible for their own actions

But women going round like half naked slu*ts on the streets can't say they aren't partly to blaim. After all they're looking to invite mens attention, so sometimes they should expect to get more than they bargain for.

[Caller الداعي]

“If a woman goes out of her home Shaytan will attract attention to her presence.” [At-Tirmidhi]

[Uthman]

I wouldn't say it's a woman's fault. However, since there are rapists out there, it makes sense to take precautions, by dressing modestly for example.

If we were to leave our doors unlocked at night, it wouldn't be our fault if our house gets burgled. But we would have been silly not to have taken precautions against it.

[Raaina]

I'm not sure dressing modestly or not would make any difference.

If there was a man hiding in the bushes with the intention of raping someone and you happen to walk past alone, then it's not going to make a different to the rapist what you are wearing.

Anyway that's just my opinion. As the sister before said, if you go along and invite 5 men to your hotel room, then you are asking for trouble, but i'm sure anyone with a bit of common sense would know that anyway.

But just your average person walking down the street and they get raped, I don't think you can blame the victim.

[Dagless]

women who go out to night clubs just wearing undergarments that look like two pieces of dental floss stuck together and milk bladder shields drinking all the alcohol there is despite knowing the risks are not to be blamed not one iota!

Random questions:

If the woman you have only seen and not spoken to is wearing 2 pieces of dental floss and has some blame, then does a woman lying in front of you wearing nothing have even more blame?

Who decides upon the level of blame? Since everyone is turned on by different things does the woman always have a level of blame? He could say "her hair was too tempting to resist, she should have covered it", or "her feet were too tempting, she should have worn boots", or "I can't resist a woman in boots, she should have worn shoes", or "her eyes did it for me, she should have worn sunglasses; it was her own fault".

If that is the case then do you get a reward for every time you do not rape a semi-naked woman? By part of the blame being hers it stands to reason if you do not act upon it then you get a reward.

However, if it is normal behaviour to not rape a semi-naked woman then you cannot get any reward for not doing it since you are doing nothing above what is expected. This is the same way you don't get reward everytime you don't commit murder when someone annoys you.

[CosmicPathos]

The difference in that is, one is a crime and the other is not.

How can anyone say a woman is partly to blame if she is jumped upon and dragged into some bushes and raped?

What happend to people being allow to wear what they want?

Not every woman wear's skimpy clothing and not only women in skimpy clothing get raped.

thank you so much for making it easier for us to realize what belief in secular values does to human's understanding of what is a crime and what is not. Maybe wearing skimpy clothing is NOT a crime in the UK, but it indeed is a crime in an Islamic emirate and is severely punishable for corrupting the society.

In response to this it might be said that it is reported in a saheeh hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen yet. People with whips like the tails of cattle, with which they strike the people, and women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait. They will not enter Paradise nor even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance may be detected from such and such a distance.”

[aamirsaab]

:sl:
Noone deserves rape.

If you can't keep your dick in your pants when an immodestly dressed women walks by, you need to check yourself into an asylum.

[CosmicPathos]

:sl:
Noone deserves rape.

If you can't keep your dick in your pants when an immodestly dressed women walks by, you need to check yourself into an asylum.

:wa:

Some males have high libido. If they go home and masturbate after they saw an immodestly dressed woman, do they still need to go to an asylum because they got high just after seeing such a woman? I am asking this because some people have this disease at least they "confessed" it at a clinic where I was volunteering.

[aamirsaab]

:wa:

Some males have high libido. If they go home and masturbate after they saw an immodestly dressed woman, do they still need to go to an asylum because they got high just after seeing such a woman?

That's not the same as raping someone.

[CosmicPathos]

That's not the same as raping someone.

of course, I jsut wanted the opinion on this one.

[S<Chowdhury]

:wa:

Some males have high libido. If they go home and masturbate after they saw an immodestly dressed woman, do they still need to go to an asylum because they got high just after seeing such a woman? I am asking this because some people have this disease at least they "confessed" it at a clinic where I was volunteering.

No of course not that would be just silly, as long as there not having the intention to actually go out and rape someone, or they don't have any control over there urges they don't need to be in an asylum. Of course maybe you need some counselling or other form of help but an asylum would be a bit to far, just for going home and masturbating.

[Life_Is_Short]

:sl:

I'd say both equally.

[CosmicPathos]

No of course not that would be just silly, as long as there not having the intention to actually go out and rape someone, or they don't have any control over there urges they don't need to be in an asylum. Of course maybe you need some counselling or other form of help but an asylum would be a bit to far, just for going home and masturbating.

but why counseling too? I mean they are not committing a crime from a secular perspective. Medically, masturbation is also not a disease. So why counseling?


Islamically, its a different story.

[S<Chowdhury]

but why counseling too? I mean they are not committing a crime from a secular perspective. Medically, masturbation is also not a disease. So why counseling?


Islamically, its a different story.

Sorry I mean counselling for those who have this uncontrollable urge to masturbate after seeing every women that walks by who dressed a little immodestly. I would say that is a bit of a problem if they can't control the urge, and needed to masturbate everytime that's a bit of problem.

[cat eyes]

to a certain extent YES. And to all you muslims who are saying that its not the womans fault for not dressing modest, do u dare question the order of Allah??. would u allow your mother and sister to go out half naked? or would u want her to be protected. i suggest you read what your posting for making such nonsense that goes against what islam teaches

[CosmicPathos]

Sorry I mean counselling for those who have this uncontrollable urge to masturbate after seeing every women that walks by who dressed a little immodestly. I would say that is a bit of a problem if they can't control the urge, and needed to masturbate everytime that's a bit of problem.

No .... there is no medical reason to believe that getting a "bonner" after seeing a immodestly dressed woman is indicative of a disease. if anything, it points out that the hormones are functioning quite well. And then to indulge in masturbation is also not indicative of a disease, even if it is after seeing every good looking immodestly dressed woman.

Can you provide more medical evidence why it could be a problem?

[S<Chowdhury]

No .... there is no medical reason to believe that getting a "bonner" after seeing a immodestly dressed woman is indicative of a disease. if anything, it points out that the hormones are functioning quite well. And then to indulge in masturbation is also not indicative of a disease, even if it is after seeing every good looking immodestly dressed woman.

Can you provide more medical evidence why it could be a problem?

No, i guess I'll have to agree ... i wouldn't say its a "disease" but it can become a problem if you "over masturbate" in terms of health of course.

[S<Chowdhury]

we are going of the topic , but i see your point

[Alpha Dude]

Surah Al Ahzab
33:59

Yusuf Ali:
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Pickthal:
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

I think that's a clear enough Quranic ayat telling believing women to cover themselves to safeguard themselves from being harrassed/molested.

I think a lot can be said on this topic and it's not at all a black and white issue. There's many variables.

A rapist is responsible for his own actions and nothing can justify his behaviour. A woman would not intentionally want to be raped.

At the same time, women are told to dress appropriately so as to prevent people from harrassing them. This is a precaution that if not done, a woman is sinful for.

If a guy is intent on raping a girl and is hiding in a bush like in the scenario sister mystical_moon said, then I doubt he would wait for an immodestly dressed girl to go by. He'd probably grab the first girl he sees. In that case, all blame goes to the guy.

However, imagine there's a guy who rapes one girl every few nights. Some nights he doesn't feel like doing anything, but other nights he really wants his desires fulfilled. Imagine it's a night that he doesn't have any rape planned and an immodestly dressed girl walks past. Imagine if the desire stirs in his heart upon seeing this girl and he says 'what the heck, I might as well do this'. Is that girl at fault in this case? Unlike waiting in the bush for her, he wasn't really planning on it but felt the desire arouse DUE to the girl's dress. I'd say the girl has her ownself to blame for this particular rape taking place.

It always helps for a girl to be cautious.

[CosmicPathos]

we are going of the topic , but i see your point

it is actually partially related to your topic. Rape is not always about dominance-submission dynamics. Sometimes its just the only outlet for getting the seed out, albeit an extremely wrong one. Hence, I brought libido and that stuff in.

[Mysterious Uk]

No of course not, rape is wrong no matter who the victim is! Placing blame on the victim of rape is disgusting, the idea that a girl almost 'deserves' rape for dressing immodestly is appalling not to mention ridiculous.

[Alpha Dude]

the idea that a girl almost 'deserves' rape for dressing immodestly is appalling not to mention ridiculous.

I don't think anybody here would say that a girl deserves it.

[Mysterious Uk]

I didn't mean it like that.. I meant by putting blame on a victim of rape, there is a sense of justification for rape.

[S<Chowdhury]

I didn't mean it like that.. I meant by putting blame on a victim of rape, there is a sense of justification for rape.

Yes, we should never justify the rape.

[CosmicPathos]

Yes, we should never justify the rape.

On that note, I think we humans should develop better tools for differentiating between actual rape and willful-sex-turned-rape claims made by women, for better security of the society.

[Clover]

I do not think it is her fault. I think their are a lot of girls who set themselves up, I go to high school where a lot of girls wear clothing I consider in-appropriate because it is meant to provoke men and they know it. They think its funny, I guess it is in a way; but then again, when a guy goes after her I think it is wrong for him at the most.

Men who rape are nothing but pigs, I do not care if the woman was walking naked, a man should know how/when to control himself. A good quote came to mind:
“Born to be wild - live to outgrow it.”-Lao Tzu

[S<Chowdhury]

There shouldn't even be a chance for someone to vote yes....or maybe:hmm:


Moddddddddssssss!

Just to see how people feel about the issue, and the fact is someone actually does believe its totally the womens fault if she dresses immodestly that she should be raped from the poll...... hopefully it was a mistake but then again..... :hmm:

[CosmicPathos]

I do not think it is her fault. I think their are a lot of girls who set themselves up, I go to high school where a lot of girls wear clothing I consider in-appropriate because it is meant to provoke men and they know it. They think its funny, I guess it is in a way; but then again, when a guy goes after her I think it is wrong for him at the most.

Men who rape are nothing but pigs, I do not care if the woman was walking naked, a man should know how/when to control himself. A good quote came to mind:
“Born to be wild - live to outgrow it.”-Lao Tzu

Ok, keeping Islamic teachings aside, is it wrong for a man to stare at a woman walking naked? Does he has the freedom to look as that woman has teh freedom to not wear anything?

[Raaina]

thank you so much for making it easier for us to realize what belief in secular values does to human's understanding of what is a crime and what is not. Maybe wearing skimpy clothing is NOT a crime in the UK, but it indeed is a crime in an Islamic emirate and is severely punishable for corrupting the society.

In response to this it might be said that it is reported in a saheeh hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen yet. People with whips like the tails of cattle, with which they strike the people, and women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait. They will not enter Paradise nor even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance may be detected from such and such a distance.”

I'm sure people in skimpy clothing somehow AREN'T following Islamic rule.
You were comparing someone who wore what is deemed by some as skimpy clothing to make themselves feel good with someone who rapes someone to make themselves feel good.

I don't see how you can compare them equally when one is an illegal offence and the other is not. Thats all I was saying. There was no need for your sarcastic tone.

[sister herb]

Don´t forget that many women become raped also at they homes, by some close relative. At those cases it is usually just same how they are dressed.

:hmm:

[CosmicPathos]

I'm sure people in skimpy clothing somehow AREN'T follwoing Islamic rule.
You were comparing someone who wore what is deemed by some as skimpy clothing to make themselves feel good with someone who rapes someone to make themselves feel good.

I don't see how you can compare them equally when one is an illegal offence and the other is not. Thats all I was saying. There was no need for your sarcastic tone.

Sure, there was a difference. One was violating her own dignity, other was infringing on the rights of another woman.

My "sarcastic" tone was targeted to your comment in which you said "wearing a skimpy clothing is not a crime while rape is a crime." In reality, both are crimes with different severities but they are still crimes.

[Raaina]

Sure, there was a difference. One was violating her own dignity, other was infringing on the rights of another woman.

My "sarcastic" tone was targeted to your comment in which you said "wearing a skimpy clothing is not a crime while rape is a crime." In reality, both are crimes with different severities but they are still crimes.

How is she violating her own dignaty if that is what she chooses to wear?
What happend to people should be allowed to wear what they want?

You said in your previous post wearing skimpy clothing isn't a crime and now you are saying it is...kind of contradicting.

So you were making sarcastic remarks at actual facts of law... is there a point to that? Or is it that you somehow believe they don't apply if the woman is wearing skimpy clothing?

[CosmicPathos]

How is she violating her own dignaty if that is what she chooses to wear?
What happend to people should be allowed to wear what they want?

You said in your previous post wearing skimpy clothing isn't a crime and now you are saying it is...kind of contradicting.

So you were making sarcastic remarks at actual facts of law... is there a point to that? Or is it that you somehow believe they don't apply if the woman is wearing skimpy clothing?

How is a man violating his dignity if he chooses to masturbate in public? Yet you, and majority of humans would consider him to have fallen from his dignity as a sane man. Youtube would be quickly uploaded with videos of such a man.

Where did I say that wearing skimpy clothing is not a crime? If it is not a crime then why would such women go to Hell as the Prophet stated?

No, people should not be allowed to wear what they want if it is against Islamic injunctions, at least in Islamic emirate. Maybe you are talking about your country. This is an Islamic forum and we talk in reference to Islamic principles here.

Those are no where "actual facts of law" in Islam. Maybe of the law in your country.

[Clover]

Ok, keeping Islamic teachings aside, is it wrong for a man to stare at a woman walking naked? Does he has the freedom to look as that woman has teh freedom to not wear anything?

That's a opinion. It is against the law, here at least, for someone to walk out in public nude, it is also illegal for them to be raped. Their is a fine line between looking at a woman who is walking naked, and raping her.

Freedom as in within the nation's laws or within life? A man can do ANYTHING he wants, if a country says its illegal, doesn't mean he can't do it, means if he does, he might be punished because he broke the law of that nation.

[Raaina]

How is a man violating his dignity if he chooses to masturbate in public? Yet you, and majority of humans would consider him to have fallen from his dignity as a sane man. Youtube would be quickly uploaded with videos of such a man.

Where did I say that wearing skimpy clothing is not a crime? If it is not a crime then why would such women go to Hell as the Prophet stated?

No, people should not be allowed to wear what they want if it is against Islamic injunctions, at least in Islamic emirate. Maybe you are talking about your country. This is an Islamic forum and we talk in reference to Islamic principles here.

Those are no where "actual facts of law" in Islam. Maybe of the law in your country.

I wasn't talking about masterbating in public, we were talking about rape.
Since you are obviously not capable of discussing this other then from an Islamic Law point of view DESPITE the fact that NOT EVERYONE on here is Muslim OR lives in a Muslim country, I won't discuss this any further with you, clearly I am out of my area. My appologies.

[CosmicPathos]

That's a opinion. It is against the law, here at least, for someone to walk out in public nude, it is also illegal for them to be raped. Their is a fine line between looking at a woman who is walking naked, and raping her.

Freedom as in within the nation's laws or within life? A man can do ANYTHING he wants, if a country says its illegal, doesn't mean he can't do it, means if he does, he might be punished because he broke the law of that nation.

I never absolved that "fine line." Rather I am asking would that man be sued if he decided to stare at a naked woman?

Well in some countries of Europe, it is allowed to be naked in public. Denmark comes to my mind I think. They had topless women holding "slow down" signs for traffic.

[Clover]

I never absolved that "fine line." Rather I am asking would that man be sued if he decided to stare at a naked woman?

Well in some countries of Europe, it is allowed to be naked in public. Denmark comes to my mind I think. They had topless women holding "slow down" signs for traffic.

If the woman is in public, naked, she is breaking the law, and the man cannot help that. I doubt he could legally be charged with anything at all. He could probably sue the lady in this country.

Well, that is their country.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

The woman is responsible just as much as the man. The woman should dress modestly yes of COURSE...and the man should use his brain and have some common sense...plain and simple. Both are equally responsible.

Think about our sisters who are covered yet been raped in war torn places...so NO it's not all the woman's fault. Covered or not, the guy is s loser for doing it. But because you have other women who don't seem to care about their self respect...some men won't. If you don't respect yourself, how do you expect someone else to respect you?