Are you a Vegetarian? Are there benefits?

[sabr*]

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

What does Allah say regarding eating fruits and vegetables?

Surah An'am 6:141

It is He Who produceth gardens, with trellises and without, and dates, and tilth with produce of all kinds, and olives and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in variety): eat of their fruit in their season, but render the dues that are proper on the day that the harvest is gathered. But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters.
(Y. Ali translation)

Surah Ra'd 13:4

And in the earth are tracts (diverse though) neighbouring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand!
(Y. Ali translation)

Surah Nahl 16:11

With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily in this is a sign for those who give thought
(Y. Ali translation)

Surah Rahman 55:68-69

68. In them will be Fruits, and dates and pomegranates:
69. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
(Y. Ali translation)


Is not eating meat denying the favors of Allah?

Eating meat during the times of Prophet Muhammad was a delicacy. Now everyone has to have meat with every meal or it isn't considered a meal.

What is the current research on being a Vegetarian?

Lower BMI

As most vegetarian diets are low-fat ones (average vegetarian eats 25% fat less than a typical meat-eater), they usually effect in the lower Body Mass Index of an average vegetarian. This is probably the most visible of all benefits of vegetarianism and the main reason for many people to become a vegetarian.

Lower cholesterol level

Other widely noted benefits of vegetarianism is decreasing the cholesterol level (by 0.5 mmol/l) and subsequently, the decreased chance of suffering from a heart attack. However, due to the complexity of the heart attack issue, it is still sometimes argued that such decrease results from other factors than a vegetarian diet.

Longer average life expectancy

One of the best-known benefits of vegetarianism is, however, not the low probability of having a heart attack, but the longer life expectancy. Vegetarians, on average, live a little longer than the rest of us. Whatever benefits and disadvantages vegetarian diets have, it seems that they give us a little more than they take away.

[Asiyaah]

:sl:

I've been a vegetarian for about 8-9 years now. I do, however, include seafood in my diet. I try my best to only buy eco-friendly seafood.

Thank you for posting quotes from the Qu'ran as well - very interesting :statisfie

Here's a great article that expands on the health benefits:

Health Benefits of Vegetarian Diets

Recently, there has been a renewed interest in vegetarian diets. Today there are countless books, cookbooks, and magazine articles promoting vegetarian diets and providing guidance for those who wish to follow a meatless diet.
A Short Historical Perspective on Vegetarian Diets

In the past, many viewed vegetarianism as strange and faddish but appropriately planned vegetarian diets are now recognized by many, including the American Dietetic Association, as being nutritionally adequate, and providing healthful benefits in the prevention and treatment of chronic diseases (1).

Choosing a nonvegetarian lifestyle has a significant health and medical cost. The total direct medical costs in the United States attributable to meat consumption were estimated to be $30-60 billion a year, based upon the higher prevalence of hypertension, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, gallstones, obesity and food-borne illness among omnivores compared with vegetarians (2).

A large body of scientific literature suggests that the consumption of a diet of whole grains, legumes, vegetables, nuts, and fruits, with the avoidance of meat and high-fat animal products, along with a regular exercise program is consistently associated with lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, less obesity and consequently less heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer, and mortality (1,3, 4). In African-Americans, the frequent consumption of nuts, fruits and green salads was associated with 35-44 percent lower risk of overall mortality (5).

Distinguishing Feature

A vegetarian diet is distinguished from an omnivorous diet by its content of dry beans and lentils. These take the place of meat and fish as the major source of protein. And there are so many different kinds of beans you can choose from - kidney, lima, pinto, cranberry, navy, Great Northern, garbanzo, soy beans, and black-eyed peas. These can be served with rice, added to soups, stews, and salads or a variety of casseroles, and made into different ethnic dishes.

Tofu, or soy bean curd, can be used in dips and spreads, or served with pasta or stir-fried vegetables. Soy protein contains isoflavones, such as genistein and daidzein, that act as phytoestrogens and inhibit tumor growth, lower blood cholesterol levels, decrease the risk of blood clots, and diminish bone loss. These benefits clearly translate into a lower risk of heart disease, stroke, cancer and osteoporosis (6).

Cancer Protection

A major report published by the World Cancer Research Fund in 1997 recommended we lower our risk of cancer by choosing predominantly plant-based diets rich in a variety of vegetables and fruits, legumes and minimally processed starchy staple foods, and to limit the intake of grilled, cured and smoked meats and fish. These methods of preparing meat produce polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and heterocyclic amines which are carcinogenic (11).

Over 200 studies have revealed that a regular consumption of fruits and vegetables provides significant protection against cancer at many sites. People who consume higher amounts of fruits and vegetables have about one-half the risk of cancer, especially the epithelial cancers (7). The risk of most cancers was 20-50% lower in those with a high versus a low consumption of whole grains (8).

About three dozen plant foods have been identified as possessing cancer-protective properties. These include cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower), umbelliferous vegetables and herbs (carrots, celery, cilantro, caraway, dill, parsley), other fruits and vegetables (citrus, tomatoes, cucumber, grapes, cantaloupe, berries), beans (soybeans), whole grains (brown rice, oats, whole wheat), flaxseed, many nuts, and various seasoning herbs (garlic, scallions, onions, chives, ginger, turmeric, rosemary, thyme, oregano, sage, and basil)(9).

These foods and herbs contain of host of cancer-protective phytochemicals such as carotenoids, flavonoids, isothiocyanates, isoflavones, ellagic acid, glucarates, curcurmins, liminoids, lignans, phenolic acids, phthalides, saponins, phytosterols, sulfide compounds, terpenoids, and tocotrienols. These beneficial compounds alter metabolic pathways and hormonal actions that are associated with the development of cancer, stimulate the immune system, and have antioxidant activity (10).

Heart Disease

Regular fruit and vegetable consumption reduces the risk of ischemic heart disease. A recent survey of 47,000 Italians found that persons in the highest tertile of vegetable consumption had a 21and 11% reduced risk of myocardial infarction and angina, respectively, compared with those in the lowest tertile of vegetable consumption (12).

A British study found that daily consumption of fresh fruit was associated with a 24 percent reduction in mortality from heart disease and a 32 percent reduction in death from cerebrovascular disease, compared with less frequent fruit consumption. Daily consumption of raw salad was associated with a 26 percent reduction in mortality from heart disease (13).

In another study, lifelong vegetarians had a 24 percent lower incidence and lifelong vegans (those who eat no eggs or dairy products) had a 57 percent lower incidence of coronary heart disease compared to meat eaters (14). Healthy volunteers who consumed a vegetarian diet (25% of calories as fat) that was rich in green, leafy vegetables and other low-calorie vegetables (tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots, bell peppers, celery, green beans, etc.), fruits, nuts, sweet corn and peas experienced after two weeks decreases of 25, 33, 20 and 21 percent in total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides, and total/HDL cholesterol ratio, respectively (15).

Various factors exist in fruits and vegetables that provide possible protection against cardiovascular disease. These factors include folic acid, dietary fiber, potassium, magnesium, carotenoids, phytosterols, flavonoids, and other polyphenolic antioxidants. Typically, vegetarian diets are also somewhat lower in saturated fat and cholesterol. Vegetarians typically have lower blood cholesterol levels. Plant diets rich in soluble fiber (such as found in dry beans, oats, carrots, squash, apples, and citrus) are useful for lowering serum cholesterol levels.

The many flavonoids in fruits, vegetables, nuts and whole grains, have extensive biological properties that reduce the risk of heart disease. Flavonoids are among the most potent antioxidants. They protect LDL cholesterol from oxidation; inhibit the formation of blood clots; and have hypolipidemic effects and anti-inflammatory action (16). European studies found that those who had the highest consumption of flavonoids had 60 percentless mortality from heart disease and 70 percent lower risk of stroke than the low flavonoid consumers (17,18).

The yellow-orange and red carotenoid pigments in fruits and vegetables are powerful antioxidants that can quench free radicals and protect against cholesterol oxidation. Persons with high levels of serum carotenoids have a reduced risk of heart disease. The recent EURAMIC study found that a high intake of lycopene (the red pigment in tomatoes, pink grapefruit, and watermelon) was associated in men with a 48 percent lower risk of a myocardial infarction compared with a low intake of lycopene (19). Cholesterol synthesis is suppressed and LDL receptor activity is augmented by the carotenoids beta-carotene and lycopene, similar to that seen with the drug fluvastatin (20).

Berries, Beans and Grains

Anthocyanin pigments, the reddish pigments found in fruits, such as strawberries, cherries, cranberries, raspberries, blueberries, grapes, and black currants, are very effective in scavenging free radicals, inhibiting LDL cholesterol oxidation and inhibiting platelet aggregation. Various terpenoids in fruits and vegetables, and tocotrienols in nuts and seeds facilitate lower blood cholesterol levels, by inhibiting HMG-CoA reductase (21). Garlic, onions and other members of the Allium family, contain a variety of ajoenes, vinyldithiins, and other sulfide compounds that have antithrombotic action and may lower blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels.

A number of studies have shown that legumes lower blood cholesterol levels, improve blood sugar control, and lower triglyceride levels. Since beans are good sources of soluble fiber, vegetable protein, saponins, phytosterols and polyunsaturated fat, consuming a diet rich in legumes will lower risk of heart disease.
In the Nurses' Health Study, the highest consumption of whole grains was associated with about a 35-40% reduction in risk of heart disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes. In the Adventist Health Study a regular consumption of whole wheat bread was associated with a 40 to 50% reduced risk of fatal and non-fatal heart disease.

Nut Studies

Epidemiological studies have consistently reported that frequent nut consumption is associated with a 30-60% reduction in the risk of coronary heart disease (22). A number of clinical trials have demonstrated the effectiveness of diets containing almonds, pecans, peanuts, hazelnuts, pistachios, macadamia nuts, or walnuts to significantly lower LDL cholesterol levels by 7 to 16 percent, without much change in HDL cholesterol and triglyceride levels (22).

While nuts are high in fat, they are naturally low in saturated fat and most are quite rich in monounsaturated fat. Nuts also contain a number of vitamins, minerals and other substances important for cardiovascular health, such as potassium, magnesium, vitamin E, folic acid, copper, and dietary fiber. In addition, most nuts contain phytosterols, tocotrienols, and protective polyphenolics such as ellagic acid and flavonoids (23).

Stroke and Diabetes

Data from two prospective studie supports a protective relationship between fruit and vegetable consumption and risk of ischemic stroke (24). Cruciferous and green leafy vegetables and citrus fruits were the most protective. Data from the NHANES study revealed that consuming fruit and vegetables three or more times a day compared with less than once a day was associated with a 27% lower incidence of stroke, a 42% lower stroke mortality, a 27% lower cardiovascular disease mortality, and a 15% lower all-cause mortality (25). In the Adventist Health Study, non-vegetarians had a risk of fatal stroke that was 20-30% higher than the vegetarians. Data from population studies and human trials provide evidence that vegetarian dietary patterns lower blood pressure (26). Lower systolic blood pressures in elderly vegetarians has been reported to be best accounted for by their lower body weight (27). Vegetarians living in northern Mexico, were found to have lower body weights, higher potassium and lower sodium intakes, and lower mean blood pressures than non-vegetarians (28).

Higher consumption of nuts (29) and whole grains (30) has been associated with lower rates of diabetes. In a large prospective study, fruit and vegetable intake was found to be inversely associated with the incidence of diabetes, particularly among women (31). Men and women who reported seldom or never eating fruit or green leafy vegetables had higher mean HbA1C levels than those who had more frequent consumption (32). An increased consumption of fruit and vegetables appears to contribute to the prevention of diabetes.

Summary

The consumption of a generous supply of whole grains, legumes, nuts, fruits and vegetables provides protection against chronic diseases such as cancer, cardiovascular disease and diabetes. A plant-based diet is rich in its content of health-promoting factors such as the many phytochemicals.

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Author: Winston Craig, MPH, PhD, RD.

[sabr*]

:sl:

I've been a vegetarian for about 8-9 years now. I do, however, include seafood in my diet. I try my best to only buy eco-friendly seafood.

اشْهَدُ انْ لّآ اِلهَ اِلَّا اللّهُ وَ اَشْهَدُ اَنَّ مُحَمَّدً اعَبْدُه وَ رسوله

Ašh hadu al-lā ilāha illā-llāhu, wa
ašh hadu anna Muhammadun ‘abduhu wa rasūluhu
I bear witness that none is worthy of worship but Allah, the One alone, without partner, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger


As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhi Zaira:

We share an identical diet. (Since 1980) Alhamdulillah

Thank you for providing the informative post. I enjoy posts that provide enlightenment over feelings and opinions.

[Zarmina]

I try, but it's so hard. Perhaps I need to learn to cook. :)

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[sabr*]

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

اشْهَدُ انْ لّآ اِلهَ اِلَّا اللّهُ وَ اَشْهَدُ اَنَّ مُحَمَّدً اعَبْدُه وَ رسوله

Ašh hadu al-lā ilāha illā-llāhu, wa
ašh hadu anna Muhammadun ‘abduhu wa rasūluhu
I bear witness that none is worthy of worship but Allah, the One alone, without partner, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger


As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhi Zarmina:

In my experience if you can read a cookbook you are able to duplicate anything. There are so many cultural meals that the main meal is based solely on non meat that are delicious.

Example:

Salads

Agourontomatosalata
Greek Salad (American)
Greek Village Salad - authentic
Haricot Bean Salad
Marinated Green Olives - Chakistes Kibrisli Style Cyprus
Quinoa Salad

Soups

Chick Pea Soup
Fasolatha (Bean Soup)
Lentil soup (Fakes soupa)
Salata Pataton - Potato Salad

Beans, Lentils & Pasta

Baked Beans (Fasolia)
Butter Beans with Mint and Tomatoes
Dried beans stewed with tomato (Fasolia xera yachnista)
Lentil Stew
Cannellini and Vegetables
Spaghetti With Tomato Garlic Sauce

Dolmas/Stuffed Grape Leaves

Stuffed Grape Leaves With Rice (Dolmades)
Yum-Yum Dolmas

Vegetables

Arakas Me Anitho: Greek Dilled Peas With Peppers
Briami (vegetables)
Bulgar, Veg Chickpea and Bean Greek Superfood Stew
Eggplant Stuffing
Eggplants with Garlic
Fasolakia Ladera
Green Beans Braised With Mint & Potatoes
Green Beans Hellinika
Kosta's Greek Ambrosia Green Beans
Lathera (The Oily Dish)
Mushrooms Stifado
Roasted Beets with Skordalia
Roasted Potatoes
"Skordy" New Potatoes W/Rosemary Lemon & Olive Oil
Spinach Pie
Vegan Brokolo Me Latholemono (Broccoli With Lemon)
Vegan Moussaka
Vegetable Medley
Yemista Me Ryzi - Greek Stuffed Vegetables

Desserts

Baklava ( Our Favorite dessert)
Dessert Pie with raisins (Stafidopita)
Soy Yogurt Parfait

It makes you hungry. The possibilities are endless. Let us know what plate you prepared and how it tasted. Insha Allah

Jazakillahu Khair

[Asiyaah]

I try, but it's so hard. Perhaps I need to learn to cook. :)

:sl:
Mashallah, it's great that you are trying. :statisfie Maybe start of slow, like having one vegetarian day a week. When I stopped eating meat I was forced to learn how to cook, lol - it really ended up being a blessing. Before I couldn't even make kraft dinner without a disaster :p. Here's a link to easy veggie recipes: http://www.theveggietable.com/recipes/easyrecipes.html.

[جوري]

I like vegetables very much, but I can't imagine passing the summer BBQ's
large steaks smothered with fried onions.
roasted chicken and chicken soups, although recently I discovered this amazing 'vegetarian chicken soup'

really good and the whole family loved it.. if you are sick and can't stand to be in the kitchen for long then just boil water add a bag and let it simmer for 8 mins and voila as close to the real thing as possible.. although if you have had actual chicken soup you'd definitely notice the difference..

:w:

[north_malaysian]

I am a fan of tofu... but it's hard to be a vegetarian even in a country where there are gezillions of vegetarian products and restaurants...

[sabr*]

I like vegetables very much, but I can't imagine passing the summer BBQ's
large steaks smothered with fried onions.
roasted chicken and chicken soups, although recently I discovered this amazing 'vegetarian chicken soup'

really good and the whole family loved it.. if you are sick and can't stand to be in the kitchen for long then just boil water add a bag and let it simmer for 8 mins and voila as close to the real thing as possible.. although if you have had actual chicken soup you'd definitely notice the difference..

:w:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhi Gossamer skye:

Thank you for posting. The thread is asking our brothers and sisters Are you a Vegetarian? Are there benefits? There is a thread regarding favorite Fruits and Vegetables.

[sabr*]

I am a fan of tofu... but it's hard to be a vegetarian even in a country where there are gezillions of vegetarian products and restaurants...

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

To some Allah makes the choices very easy and others the same choices can be considered difficult. Thank you for posting.

[north_malaysian]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

To some Allah makes the choices very easy and others the same choices can be considered difficult. Thank you for posting.

wa alaykum salaam...

thank you to you too..... I admire the vegetarians..... but just cant be one

[CosmicPathos]

I would not want to be an obligate vegetarian as that is not from Islam and the Salaf but I'd like to follow the food habits of the Salaf and include more fruits and vegetables in diet.

[syilla]

I would not want to be an obligate vegetarian as that is not from Islam and the Salaf but I'd like to follow the food habits of the Salaf and include more fruits and vegetables in diet.

not more but mostly :D

[جوري]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhi Gossamer skye:

Thank you for posting. The thread is asking our brothers and sisters Are you a Vegetarian? Are there benefits? There is a thread regarding favorite Fruits and Vegetables.

wa'3lykoum aslaam wr wb

thank you for your advise, masha'Allah you have much good advice to give..
indeed the topic can be ended with two posts, one person agreeing it is beneficial, and another saying that one would be deprived of many nutrients especially long term and would need to supplement with vitamins or some type of meat (like fish) as long term ramifications of a consistent deficiency in the diet can lead to some long term maladies especially neurological ones..

However, I didn't wish to take it that route.. firstly, since we Muslims aren't vegetarians, though I can understand that some would prefer that life style, and two to share a 'vegetarian chicken soup' that I believe would be beneficial and tasty to some who prefer that life style and may not be aware of such a brand existing..

I didn't see any harm in that, but thanks again..

waslaam 3lykoum wr wb

[CosmicPathos]

Muslims are not told to adopt an obligate vegetarian lifestyle. There is no basis for it in Quran and Sunnah. The long list of research that has been provided above regarding the use of vegetables and fruits, I can provide a similar one for moderate use of alcohol! What matters is that a holistic approach is taken to understand these issues, not just one or two or 10 research publications. Probably 100s or 1000s are required as the human body is as complex and fascinating as the cosmos, as some Islamic scholar once commented. And ooh do not tell me that rice is more complex than human body just because rice has 37,000 genes while humans about 23k ish. :P :P Some of my professors had the audacity to claim that "see, humans are not complex!" They stick to the principle of mediocrity.

[north_malaysian]

I wonder how many Muslims can be vegetarians on Eids.. especially Eid Al Adha.. :D

[Woodrow]

I wonder how many Muslims can be vegetarians on Eids.. especially Eid Al Adha.. :D

:sl:

Happens often here.

Many of us here in the USA end up as being semi-vegetarians because of the difficulty in finding halal meat and the often high cost when found. We need more Muslim farmers and every Muslim who migrates to here is a doctor.

Can Malaysia start exporting farmers to us?

[Cabdullahi]

i dont know about you guys but i needs some MEAAAT!

[UmmSqueakster]

I'm a meat minimalist. I don't believe eating meat is haram, but that the current way animals are raised for meat is unethical and unislamic. Thus, I chose to eat less meat, in the hopes that if many people do this, sustainable, humane animal raising operations will become economically feasible.

At present, americans especially demand lots of meat for a low cost. The only way that demand can be met is through factory farm operations that are disgusting.

[north_malaysian]

Can Malaysia start exporting farmers to us?

:wa:

we imported 15,000 cows from Thailand on last year Eid Al Adha... we imported halal meats from Australia..........and 75% of the farmers here are non-Malaysian immigrants...

so.. sad to say that we cannot export farmers there... as we ourselves dont have many...:exhausted

[Shahreaz]

I don't know about other countries but in my country (Bangladesh) there is no vegetarian/non-vegetarian thing. We Muslims eat meat (Cow, Goat), chicken, all kind of fish (specially Hilsa, it's a must for every Bengali, it's our national fish :D), dry fish, green vegetable, etc. And green vegetable is always good for health.

[sabr*]

wa'3lykoum aslaam wr wb

thank you for your advise, masha'Allah you have much good advice to give..
indeed the topic can be ended with two posts, one person agreeing it is beneficial, and another saying that one would be deprived of many nutrients especially long term and would need to supplement with vitamins or some type of meat (like fish) as long term ramifications of a consistent deficiency in the diet can lead to some long term maladies especially neurological ones..

However, I didn't wish to take it that route.. firstly, since we Muslims aren't vegetarians, though I can understand that some would prefer that life style, and two to share a 'vegetarian chicken soup' that I believe would be beneficial and tasty to some who prefer that life style and may not be aware of such a brand existing..

I didn't see any harm in that, but thanks again..

waslaam 3lykoum wr wb

:sl:

Happens often here.

Many of us here in the USA end up as being semi-vegetarians because of the difficulty in finding halal meat and the often high cost when found. We need more Muslim farmers and every Muslim who migrates to here is a doctor.

Can Malaysia start exporting farmers to us?

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhi Gossamer skye:

I agree that if a Muslim follows a vegan dietary fare they would be required to supplement missing nutrients from not eating meat.

Muslims who follow the Sunna are not Vegetarians but because of the points that Akhi Woodrow made in quote that is one of the main reasons many Muslims in developed countries without access to Halal meat adopt a vegan dietary fare with fish.

There are so many unhealthy meat eaters at the Masjid with every health issue you can name. Obesity being the main culprit.


A study on the harmful effects of processed meats are alarming.

(NaturalNews) New research published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute shows that eating processed meats such as sausage, bacon and smoked ham significantly increase the risk of stomach cancer.

Swedish researchers from the Karolinska Institute reviewed 15 previous studies, and found that the risk of developing stomach cancer -- which accounts for one-tenth of total cancer deaths -- increased by 15 to 38 percent if processed meat consumption increased by just 1 ounce per day.

The 15 studies -- which examined more than 4,700 people between 1966 and 2006 -- led researchers to the "unequivocal" conclusion that eating more processed meats leads to a greater risk of stomach cancer, the fourth-most common type of cancer.

"Nobody has carried out this type of analysis into processed meats and stomach cancer," says Susanna Larsson, one of the study's authors. "And our results from a mean value show very clearly that there is an association between increased consumption of processed meat products and stomach cancer."

Mike Adams, author of Grocery Warning, has been sounding the alarm about the dangers of processed meats -- and the dangerous additive sodium nitrite -- for years. "This new evidence adds to the existing body of scientific findings that show processed meats are extremely dangerous to human health. In addition to boosting pancreatic cancer risk by 76 percent and boosting the risk of brain tumors in children by 300 percent, these processed meats are now being shown to heighten the risk of stomach cancer by as much as 38 percent from eating just one ounce per day. These findings should be alarming to both federal health regulators and consumers. Routinely eating bacon, sausage and hot dogs is almost as dangerous to your health as smoking cigarettes," he adds

source: http://www.naturalnews.com/019845.html

[sabr*]

I don't know about other countries but in my country (Bangladesh) there is no vegetarian/non-vegetarian thing. We Muslims eat meat (Cow, Goat), chicken, all kind of fish (specially Hilsa, it's a must for every Bengali, it's our national fish :D), dry fish, green vegetable, etc. And green vegetable is always good for health.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi Shahreaz:

If you read the Sira (History) of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) when they ate meat it was not everyday. It was on special occasions and celebrations. Eating meat was a delicacy during the times of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

Because of the abundance of meat it isn't considered a meal in many cultures if meat is not apart of the meal.

When history is learned it becomes difficult to be mislead by cultural and tribal influences.

Jazakillahu Khair

[Woodrow]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi Shahreaz:

If you read the Sira (History) of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) when they ate meat it was not everyday. It was on special occasions and celebrations. Eating meat was a delicacy during the times of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

Because of the abundance of meat it isn't considered a meal in many cultures if meat is not apart of the meal.

When history is learned it becomes difficult to be mislead by cultural and tribal influences.

Jazakillahu Khair

:sl:

In the past, in the days when a family, raised, slaughtered and butchered their own meat, the quantity eaten was very self limiting and people ate only the amount they actually needed with no waste or over indulgence.

In today's world, there is no sacrifice or work involved in opening and cooking a ready product from a neat, clean, attractive package or worse already cooked from MickyM, BurgarKrud, or Roadkill Fried Chicken.

If people were required to raise and process their own meat, meat consumption would soon drop. but what was eaten would be nutritious and halal. Since that is not possible, perhaps there can be a return of small, local farms. With shared ownership of the livestock.

[Asiyaah]

I found this article to be very informative. The main argument being that a lot of 'halal' meat is not halal as the animals are fed swine-by product in US and Canada.

Halal Food Classification Under the Microscope
By Firas Al-Atraqchi

Eat and drink of that which Allah has provided and do not act corruptly, making mischief on the earth.” Quran(2:60)

Hundreds of halal food stores have cropped up in North America North American Muslims have in recent years seen the number of Islamic-oriented food stores double in number. Drive down Dundas Street in Mississauga, Canada, or take a stroll through Dearborn, Michigan and you will see nearly hundreds of halal food and meat stores festooning the area. New Jersey in 2000, for example, became the first state to pass a consumer protection law that specifically deals with issues of halal food. The law established guidelines that sellers and distributors must follow when labeling foods as halal.Living an Islamic way of life, it seemed, was becoming easier in North America.
That perception may have been shattered by a series of events in late May, which until now were virtually undiscovered and kept under wraps.
Mad Cow Disease in Canada
On May 20, Canadian authorities announced that an eight-year old Alberta cow had fallen to bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), otherwise known as Mad Cow Disease. Canada’s Agriculture Minister, Lyle Vanclief, immediately went into damage control to assert that the Alberta cow would not be allowed into the food chain. Thousands of cows and other livestock were subsequently destroyed throughout Canada while Japan, the United States and other countries slapped an import ban on Canadian meat products.
While scientific research suggests that one in every million cows may develop BSE sporadically when brain proteins become toxic, the outbreak of BSE in Britain in the late 1980s was attributed to improper feeding practices — cows and other livestock were fed the remains of other farm animals.
When humans ingest meat from an animal with BSE, they contract the human form of the disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and suffer paralysis and death.
Since 1997, Canada has banned the feeding of rendered protein products from ruminant animals (cattle, sheep, goats, bison, elk or deer) to other animals. Farm feed that is prohibited to livestock and ruminant animals is marked ‘Do not feed to cattle, sheep, deer or other ruminants’.
The prospect of BSE in Canadian livestock and the quarantine of several thousand heads of cattle have raised alarm bells in Muslim communities throughout Canada. While the halal standard monitored and adjudicated the slaughter of cattle according to strict Islamic principles, there has been to date no formalized mechanism to monitor feeding practices.
Animal Feeding in Islam
A slaughtered animal is considered halal if its feed is also halal
Many Muslims are in fact not even aware that halal classification, according to the Quran, goes beyond merely monitoring the proper method of animal slaughter.
In accordance with strict Islamic law and guidelines, a slaughtered animal is considered halal when its feed is also considered halal; feed therefore plays an important role in halal classification. Feed for animals must be from a vegetable source; no meat feed is allowed.
Furthermore, the now popularly-administered growth hormones are not allowed because they are made with pork-based material. The prevalent method of stunning should be avoided. Blood must also be fully drained from the slaughtered animal.
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a Canadian Islamic scholar, says that the issue of proper feeding of livestock never occurred to him or other Islamic institutions prior to the BSE outbreak.
“This issue provides a challenge for us Muslims to ensure that our Islamic standards are enforced not only in slaughtering animals but also, even more importantly, in the way they are bred and treated,” he told this writer.
Kutty charged that feeding is a central issue and should take precedence over other matters of contention regarding what may be considered halal.
“[Feeding] is far more crucial and important from a shari’ah point of view than the customary issues often raised by the Muslims such as machine slaughter versus hand slaughter; stunning or not stunning or whether one can eat what is slaughtered by people of the book (Christians, Jews, and Sabaeans),” he explained.
California-based Ahmad Sakr, professor emeritus of Food Science and author of “Understanding Halal Food” and “A Muslim Guide to Food Ingredients” recently told soundvision.com that some halal meats may actually not be halal at all, primarily because of what the animal is fed.
“Islam dictates that if an animal has received meat and/or blood while it was halal, it becomes haram and in order to become Halal you have to put that animal in a quarantine area for 40 days before you slaughter it to make it Halal,” Sakr said.
Have Muslim communities taken any steps to monitor feeding practices?
“This is beyond our control, it is a government issue and they regulate feeding practices,” says Ehsan Sairally, Canadian representative of the Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA).
Sairally urged Muslim communities in Ontario not to confuse the issue of BSE with halal, pointing out that BSE has struck only one cow in North America (Alberta) to date. He stressed that Ontario beef and meats were safe and fully halal, citing differing legislation between Ontario and Alberta, where the BSE disease was first detected.
Animal Feed Not Safe in North America
In 2000, New Jersey became the first state to pass a consumer protection law specifically dealing with halal food issues
However, Canada and the United States secretly allow dead animals to be fed to live ones, some quarters charge. A May 27 Washington Post report says that there are loopholes that allow some dead animals to be ground up and fed to livestock. The 1997 ban does not prevent proteins from dead animals to be fed to poultry, hogs and pigs.
On May 28, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) reported that “meat and bone meal potentially containing material from the infected cow was used in the production of dog food. There is no risk to human health from handling this product.”
Three quarantined British Columbia farms under “ongoing animal feed investigation” will have their livestock (60 animals) depopulated (destroyed) because “it could not conclusively be determined that ruminant animals on these premises were not inadvertently exposed to poultry feed”.
“We [Muslims] are allowed only to feed cattle and livestock diets that are natural for them as a species, not bits of animals or diets made of animal fats,” says Sheikh Kutty.
BSE will likely open up a whole new area for debate in Canada’s Muslim community, which have until recently focused exclusively on slaughter methods in determining whether meats are halal.
Firas Al-Atraqchi holds an MA in Journalism and Mass Communication. He is a Canadian journalist with eleven years of experience covering Middle East issues, oil and gas markets, and the telecom industry. You can reach him at firas6544@rogers.com.

[Shahreaz]

I found this article to be very informative. The main argument being that a lot of 'halal' meat is not halal as the animals are fed swine-by product in US and Canada.

Halal Food Classification Under the Microscope
By Firas Al-Atraqchi

Eat and drink of that which Allah has provided and do not act corruptly, making mischief on the earth.” Quran(2:60)

Hundreds of halal food stores have cropped up in North America North American Muslims have in recent years seen the number of Islamic-oriented food stores double in number. Drive down Dundas Street in Mississauga, Canada, or take a stroll through Dearborn, Michigan and you will see nearly hundreds of halal food and meat stores festooning the area. New Jersey in 2000, for example, became the first state to pass a consumer protection law that specifically deals with issues of halal food. The law established guidelines that sellers and distributors must follow when labeling foods as halal.Living an Islamic way of life, it seemed, was becoming easier in North America.
That perception may have been shattered by a series of events in late May, which until now were virtually undiscovered and kept under wraps.
Mad Cow Disease in Canada
On May 20, Canadian authorities announced that an eight-year old Alberta cow had fallen to bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), otherwise known as Mad Cow Disease. Canada’s Agriculture Minister, Lyle Vanclief, immediately went into damage control to assert that the Alberta cow would not be allowed into the food chain. Thousands of cows and other livestock were subsequently destroyed throughout Canada while Japan, the United States and other countries slapped an import ban on Canadian meat products.
While scientific research suggests that one in every million cows may develop BSE sporadically when brain proteins become toxic, the outbreak of BSE in Britain in the late 1980s was attributed to improper feeding practices — cows and other livestock were fed the remains of other farm animals.
When humans ingest meat from an animal with BSE, they contract the human form of the disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and suffer paralysis and death.
Since 1997, Canada has banned the feeding of rendered protein products from ruminant animals (cattle, sheep, goats, bison, elk or deer) to other animals. Farm feed that is prohibited to livestock and ruminant animals is marked ‘Do not feed to cattle, sheep, deer or other ruminants’.
The prospect of BSE in Canadian livestock and the quarantine of several thousand heads of cattle have raised alarm bells in Muslim communities throughout Canada. While the halal standard monitored and adjudicated the slaughter of cattle according to strict Islamic principles, there has been to date no formalized mechanism to monitor feeding practices.
Animal Feeding in Islam

A slaughtered animal is considered halal if its feed is also halal
Many Muslims are in fact not even aware that halal classification, according to the Quran, goes beyond merely monitoring the proper method of animal slaughter.
In accordance with strict Islamic law and guidelines, a slaughtered animal is considered halal when its feed is also considered halal; feed therefore plays an important role in halal classification. Feed for animals must be from a vegetable source; no meat feed is allowed.
Furthermore, the now popularly-administered growth hormones are not allowed because they are made with pork-based material. The prevalent method of stunning should be avoided. Blood must also be fully drained from the slaughtered animal.
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a Canadian Islamic scholar, says that the issue of proper feeding of livestock never occurred to him or other Islamic institutions prior to the BSE outbreak.
“This issue provides a challenge for us Muslims to ensure that our Islamic standards are enforced not only in slaughtering animals but also, even more importantly, in the way they are bred and treated,” he told this writer.
Kutty charged that feeding is a central issue and should take precedence over other matters of contention regarding what may be considered halal.
“[Feeding] is far more crucial and important from a shari’ah point of view than the customary issues often raised by the Muslims such as machine slaughter versus hand slaughter; stunning or not stunning or whether one can eat what is slaughtered by people of the book (Christians, Jews, and Sabaeans),” he explained.
California-based Ahmad Sakr, professor emeritus of Food Science and author of “Understanding Halal Food” and “A Muslim Guide to Food Ingredients” recently told soundvision.com that some halal meats may actually not be halal at all, primarily because of what the animal is fed.
“Islam dictates that if an animal has received meat and/or blood while it was halal, it becomes haram and in order to become Halal you have to put that animal in a quarantine area for 40 days before you slaughter it to make it Halal,” Sakr said.
Have Muslim communities taken any steps to monitor feeding practices?
“This is beyond our control, it is a government issue and they regulate feeding practices,” says Ehsan Sairally, Canadian representative of the Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America (IFANCA).
Sairally urged Muslim communities in Ontario not to confuse the issue of BSE with halal, pointing out that BSE has struck only one cow in North America (Alberta) to date. He stressed that Ontario beef and meats were safe and fully halal, citing differing legislation between Ontario and Alberta, where the BSE disease was first detected.
Animal Feed Not Safe in North America

In 2000, New Jersey became the first state to pass a consumer protection law specifically dealing with halal food issues
However, Canada and the United States secretly allow dead animals to be fed to live ones, some quarters charge. A May 27 Washington Post report says that there are loopholes that allow some dead animals to be ground up and fed to livestock. The 1997 ban does not prevent proteins from dead animals to be fed to poultry, hogs and pigs.
On May 28, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) reported that “meat and bone meal potentially containing material from the infected cow was used in the production of dog food. There is no risk to human health from handling this product.”
Three quarantined British Columbia farms under “ongoing animal feed investigation” will have their livestock (60 animals) depopulated (destroyed) because “it could not conclusively be determined that ruminant animals on these premises were not inadvertently exposed to poultry feed”.
“We [Muslims] are allowed only to feed cattle and livestock diets that are natural for them as a species, not bits of animals or diets made of animal fats,” says Sheikh Kutty.
BSE will likely open up a whole new area for debate in Canada’s Muslim community, which have until recently focused exclusively on slaughter methods in determining whether meats are halal.
Firas Al-Atraqchi holds an MA in Journalism and Mass Communication. He is a Canadian journalist with eleven years of experience covering Middle East issues, oil and gas markets, and the telecom industry. You can reach him at firas6544@rogers.com.

Everyone should watch this documentary Frankensteer: The passionate eye

Frankensteer is a disturbing documentary that reveals how the ordinary cow has been turned into an antibiotic-dependent, hormone-laced potential carrier of toxic bacteria, all in the name of cheaper food. Frankensteer exposes the harsh and sometimes frightening realities of how our beef gets to our tables. According to this compelling documentary, the beef industry, supported by North American government agencies and pharmaceutical companies, has engaged in an on-going experiment to create the perfect food machine. Their goal is to increase speed of production and reduce the cost of manufacture. But there is a price in producing a cheap industrial product. This benign, grazing herbivore has undergone a transformation in how it's raised, fed and slaughtered. And consumers, by and large, are totally unaware of the dangers lurking in their beloved steaks, ribs and, most especially, hamburgers. According to Mike McBane of the Canadian Health Coalition, "When you bring a package of hamburger home from a supermarket, you have to treat it as toxic materialâ ¦" Frankensteer reveals some startling facts: Every year, 50 per cent of the total tonnage of antibiotics used in Canada ends up in livestock. And every year cattle raised in massive feedlots are routinely dosed with antibiotics even if they are not sick

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...02081038592146

[hanif_]

I found this article to be very informative. The main argument being that a lot of 'halal' meat is not halal as the animals are fed swine-by product in US and Canada.

Halal Food Classification Under the Microscope
By Firas Al-Atraqchi

Eat and drink of that which Allah has provided and do not act corruptly, making mischief on the earth.” Quran(2:60)

:sl:

Very informative but getting off topic.

[hanif_]

i dont know about you guys but i needs some MEAAAT!

:sl:

Abdullahi that is the sentiment of all meat lovers. Just like it is difficult for meat eaters requirement of meat it is the same for those who observe Halal only diets without access to Halal meats.

[Esther462]

I love eatting meat but this week I haven't because I'm short of money to go and get halal meat. I've enjoyed eatting veg and fish.

[cat eyes]

:sl:

i was a vegetarian before i reverted as soon as i reverted i started eating meat again.. halal meat of course. i believe that meat needs to be in the diet i mean i was extremely thin when i was a vegetarian..and id never know what to eat for my dinner it was kinda difficult shopping around for food to cook. i lived on vegetables but i felt that my body was exhausted because of the lack of iron and id sleep alot to. i also use to get a lot of infections.. since eating meat that infection i use to get all the time never returned Alhamdulilah.

[UmmSqueakster]

:sl:

i was a vegetarian before i reverted as soon as i reverted i started eating meat again.. halal meat of course. i believe that meat needs to be in the diet i mean i was extremely thin when i was a vegetarian..and id never know what to eat for my dinner it was kinda difficult shopping around for food to cook. i lived on vegetables but i felt that my body was exhausted because of the lack of iron and id sleep alot to. i also use to get a lot of infections.. since eating meat that infection i use to get all the time never returned Alhamdulilah.

wa alaikum assalam,

Although I'm no expert, I think the bolded might have been your problem. I'm sure you know, but just for other people who aren't familiar with vegetarianism, being vegetarian isn't just about eating vegetables. One should eat a balanced diet that includes grains (preferably whole), beans, nuts, fruits, vegetables and dairy (if one is not vegan).

Everyone's body is different. There are whole cultures that thrive on a vegetarian diet (like south india) and others that have adapted to highly animal based (like the inuit). People are naturally ominvorous, and their level of meat consumption will vary depending on culture.

But one thing I think we can agree on is that in general, modern man eats too much meat and that's making us very unhealthy.

[sabr*]

:sl:

i was a vegetarian before i reverted as soon as i reverted i started eating meat again.. halal meat of course. i believe that meat needs to be in the diet i mean i was extremely thin when i was a vegetarian..and id never know what to eat for my dinner it was kinda difficult shopping around for food to cook. i lived on vegetables but i felt that my body was exhausted because of the lack of iron and id sleep alot to. i also use to get a lot of infections.. since eating meat that infection i use to get all the time never returned Alhamdulilah.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhti cat eyes:

The limiting of protein that could have been supplemented with beans high in protein and fish could have solved that issue. But you eat Halal meat so there shouldn't be an issue.

If you read the posts the main reason for Muslims following the vegan dietary fare is the lack of access to halal meat. After a person goes twenty or more years without meat it becomes difficult to eat it.

Meat is no longer a delicacy as in the times of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) now it isn't considered a meal to a meat eater if meat isn't the main course.

[sur]

I love veges & fruits but unfortunately i am not a vegetarian...

There r definitely benefits of adding lots of veges to meals BUT being an exclusive vegetarian.... ammm... most veges r either class-II or class-III proteins.... i.e., they lack some or all essential amino acids which human body cannot produce itself & has to have from outer source......

Meats, all of them, r class-1 proteins & have all "essential AA"... so taking at least some meat, to supply body with all needed raw materials in good quantity, is a good idea...

[sabr*]

I love veges & fruits but unfortunately i am not a vegetarian...

There r definitely benefits of adding lots of veges to meals BUT being an exclusive vegetarian.... ammm... most veges r either class-II or class-III proteins.... i.e., they lack some or all essential amino acids which human body cannot produce itself & has to have from outer source......

Meats, all of them, r class-1 proteins & have all "essential AA"... so taking at least some meat, to supply body with all needed raw materials in good quantity, is a good idea...

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi sur:

Multi-Vitamins can handle any deficiencies the body lacks for the absence of non-Halal meat.

[sur]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):
Akhi sur:
Multi-Vitamins can handle any deficiencies the body lacks for the absence of non-Halal meat.

:wa:
though multi-vitamins do NOT have "amino-acids" in them,,, but yes of course we can take amino acid suppliments to cover up lack of meat.... Even some of vegetables might!!! & egg-whites do have all "essential amino-acids" in them, so we can get all stuff from veges.

A table in above link gives the amino-acids lacking in some vege foods,,,

[sabr*]

:wa:
though multi-vitamins do NOT have "amino-acids" in them,,, but yes of course we can take amino acid suppliments to cover up lack of meat.... Even some of vegetables might!!! & egg-whites do have all "essential amino-acids" in them, so we can get all stuff from veges.

A table in above link gives the amino-acids lacking in some vege foods,,,

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi sur:

Do you know where the following amino acids can be purchased in one supplement, brand and for vegans?

Researched three local Organic stores and received a wealth of information. The amino acids have to be purchased separately. Why a multi-vitamin and amino acid are not combined is beyond me.

I Isoleucine
L Leucine
K Lysine
M Methionine
+ C Cysteine
F Phenylalanine
+ Y Tyrosine
T Threonine
W Tryptophan
V Valine


Jazakillahu Khair

[sur]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi sur:

Do you know where the following amino acids can be purchased in one supplement, brand and for vegans?

Researched three local Organic stores and received a wealth of information. The amino acids have to be purchased separately. Why a multi-vitamin and amino acid are not combined is beyond me.

I Isoleucine
L Leucine
K Lysine
M Methionine
+ C Cysteine
F Phenylalanine
+ Y Tyrosine
T Threonine
W Tryptophan
V Valine


Jazakillahu Khair

:wa:

"Whey-Protein" can be used...

"Whey" is a by-product of cheese making process... It's available at body-building stores etc, just ask for whey protein... Tastes good too... Comes as powder...

or if u like milk, just use lot of milk.... it has ALL of essential Amino Acids. Or a make milk-shakes of WHEY u'll get both.

[coddles76]

Assalamu Alykum,

I would love to be a vegetarian but I can't rid myelf of those weekly Arabian Style BBQ's with Tender Beef and chicken simmering over a charcoal Heated Grill. The taste is just awesome and I love it toooo much ;)

[sabr*]

Assalamu Alykum,

I would love to be a vegetarian but I can't rid myelf of those weekly Arabian Style BBQ's with Tender Beef and chicken simmering over a charcoal Heated Grill. The taste is just awesome and I love it toooo much ;)

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Thank you for you post. But please stay on topic. The majority only adhere to the vegan dietary fare with fish because of the lack of access to Halal meats for years.

[sabr*]

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi sur:

Sukhranallah for the information will visit the health food store on the weekend. Insha Allah

[Abdul Qadir]

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

What does Allah say regarding eating fruits and vegetables?

Surah An'am 6:141

It is He Who produceth gardens, with trellises and without, and dates, and tilth with produce of all kinds, and olives and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in variety): eat of their fruit in their season, but render the dues that are proper on the day that the harvest is gathered. But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters.
(Y. Ali translation)

Surah Ra'd 13:4

And in the earth are tracts (diverse though) neighbouring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand!
(Y. Ali translation)

Surah Nahl 16:11

With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily in this is a sign for those who give thought
(Y. Ali translation)

Surah Rahman 55:68-69

68. In them will be Fruits, and dates and pomegranates:
69. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
(Y. Ali translation)


Is not eating meat denying the favors of Allah?

Eating meat during the times of Prophet Muhammad was a delicacy. Now everyone has to have meat with every meal or it isn't considered a meal.

What is the current research on being a Vegetarian?

Lower BMI

As most vegetarian diets are low-fat ones (average vegetarian eats 25% fat less than a typical meat-eater), they usually effect in the lower Body Mass Index of an average vegetarian. This is probably the most visible of all benefits of vegetarianism and the main reason for many people to become a vegetarian.

Lower cholesterol level

Other widely noted benefits of vegetarianism is decreasing the cholesterol level (by 0.5 mmol/l) and subsequently, the decreased chance of suffering from a heart attack. However, due to the complexity of the heart attack issue, it is still sometimes argued that such decrease results from other factors than a vegetarian diet.

Longer average life expectancy

One of the best-known benefits of vegetarianism is, however, not the low probability of having a heart attack, but the longer life expectancy. Vegetarians, on average, live a little longer than the rest of us. Whatever benefits and disadvantages vegetarian diets have, it seems that they give us a little more than they take away.

Do not read Yusuf Ali's translation of the Quran unless u absolutely must. read Dr Muhsin Kahn's translation. if u cannot understand, then u can just use yusuf Ali or Pickthall's works as a reference...Yusuf Ali and Pickthall are NOT recommended...

[sabr*]

Do not read Yusuf Ali's translation of the Quran unless u absolutely must. read Dr Muhsin Kahn's translation. if u cannot understand, then u can just use yusuf Ali or Pickthall's works as a reference...Yusuf Ali and Pickthall are NOT recommended...

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi Abdul Qadir:

we personally use Dr. Muhsin Kahn's translation when reading with Muslims who are unable to read the arabi'a. The difference between the two translations are minimum. The commentary is the major difference. Getting way off topic. You should have pm me on that. Please stay on topic.

Also please provide your Dalil (Evidence) not opinion, on why Muslim shouldn't use the translation of a respected Muslim Yusuf Ali

[Woodrow]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Thank you for you post. But please stay on topic. The majority only adhere to the vegan dietary fare with fish because of the lack of access to Halal meats for years.

True, although I can only speak for the Muslims in my immediate area, which is my wife and myself. In the USA the majority of Muslims live in only 6 states. In those states there now is much offered for Muslims. However for those of us living in the 44 states that have virtually no Muslim population, halal food is very difficult to come by and we do end up living basically a vegan diet.

Sadly most Muslims that migrate to the USA settle in the densely populated states, and we really need them out here in the boondocks to become farmers of Halal meat.

[sabr*]

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi Woodrow:

What research did you rely upon regarding the majority of Muslims in America living is six states?

Muslim population worldwide:

http://www.islamicpopulation.com/Ame...a_general.html

[sabr*]

سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Bismillā hir Rahmā nir Rahīm
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

If you take fish oil (Omega 3 Fatty acids) as a supplement you now have to be aware of the possible contamination and chemicals used in processing.

Government direction on taking Fish Oil as a supplement:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...t-fishoil.html

Lawsuit on fish oil supplement containing PCB.

http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=20...nformation.htm

Fish Oils May Slow Genetic Aging in Heart Patients:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Wellness/fi...ory?id=9606251

Conclusion: Those who adhere to a the vegan dietary fare require different supplements. Walnuts and Fish contain Omega Acids

[zana]

errrm i dont think i could last as a vegetarial i really do enjoy my meat eating, and they do say eating red meat is healthy

[Santoku]

There are some benefits, but these benefits lie primarily in ensuring that you have a balanced diet. Those of us who are vegetarians and vegans tend to be the sort who do this.

[sabr*]

There are some benefits, but these benefits lie primarily in ensuring that you have a balanced diet. Those of us who are vegetarians and vegans tend to be the sort who do this.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Santoku:

We are not deprived because of the many options available. The benefits are numerous. Just reflecting on the many recipes that assist in maintaining a healthy and balanced diet. The tofu isn't a favorite. Limit the soy intake and enjoy the bean,mushroom and plant based foods.

Jazakumullahu Khair

[UmmSqueakster]

I'm going into month 4 of a primarily vegetarian diet and alhamdulilah, the benefits are great! I'm halfway to my yearly weight loss goal of 40 lbs!

Not all of it is due to being a vegetarian, but I think it's an integral part of the equation. I'm focused on eating lots and lots of fruits and veggies, plenty of beans, a middling amount of whole grains, some milk, yogurt and cheese, very little sugar and salt and then a small portion of meat once a week.

[cat eyes]

Well whats the point in torturing your body i believe that we all need meat in the diet. i use to be vegetarian but i was constantly craving for meat. its like i was never satisfied with the food i was eating

[marwen]

I'm not vegetarian, But I think there is some benefits of being vegetarian :
1) less money spent on food.
2) have always good teeth.

;D

[UmmSqueakster]

Well whats the point in torturing your body i believe that we all need meat in the diet. i use to be vegetarian but i was constantly craving for meat. its like i was never satisfied with the food i was eating

Some people do well on a vegetarian diet, and some do not.

I think that we in modern times forget how unusual it is for us to have easy access to meat each and every day. It wasn't until the modern onset of factory farming that meat became affordable enough to have it at breakfast, lunch and dinner. So even if one does not completely eliminate meat from their diet, they should at least strive to reduce the quantity they eat. Allah (swt) didn't create our bodies to consume so much animal flesh, and we can see in the rise of heart disease, diabetes and cholesterol related health issues that our bodies are in revolt.

[cat eyes]

Some people do well on a vegetarian diet, and some do not.

I think that we in modern times forget how unusual it is for us to have easy access to meat each and every day. It wasn't until the modern onset of factory farming that meat became affordable enough to have it at breakfast, lunch and dinner. So even if one does not completely eliminate meat from their diet, they should at least strive to reduce the quantity they eat. Allah (swt) didn't create our bodies to consume so much animal flesh, and we can see in the rise of heart disease, diabetes and cholesterol related health issues that our bodies are in revolt.

yeh obviously your not going to be eating meat everyday though but i just felt that i was literally torturing myself by not eating meat but i do love my chicken burgers :-[

:D

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhi cat eyes:

Meat has not been part of our diet since 1980. I don't miss it or crave it. The vegan alternatives in your grocery store provide some tasty choices. Many vegans include fish to maintain a balanced diet. Protein is a very important part of a balanced diet that meat provides that can be replaced with fish or bean based meals.

Those processed foods are the ones that keep that extra weight.

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyou...essedfoods.htm

http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/4-m...icle14901.html

[elias]

Sabr62, thank you for this topic; this is a nice thread.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

elias:

May Allah be pleased with our intent. Insha Allah

[desert.rose]

i'am trying to be a vegetarian
but i need time to be a full time vegetarian
try to consume less meat and more vegies ^.^

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

desert.rose:

research the benefits of living a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle. I have outlined in this thread some good sources to review. But also review the deficiencies that vegans encounter from lack of protein in the diet, etc.

The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) ate meat. It was a delicacy during his time. He didn't eat meat with every meal as they do now.

[marwen]

The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) ate meat. It was a delicacy during his time. He didn't eat meat with every meal as they do now.

So why don't we just follow our prophet Salla Allahu Alayhi wa sallam, and eat everything halal : vegetables and meat ?
Unless of course we have health problems or special conditions (poverty) preventing us from eating normal food.

[Rhubarb Tart]

In some countries is quite hard to eat vegetables all the time. Because of the weather, no rain can’t grow vegetables and fruit. I can’t live without some form of meat! I like chicken mainly.

[Rhubarb Tart]

In some countries is quite hard to eat vegetables all the time. Because of the weather, no rain can’t grow vegetables and fruit. I can’t live without some form of meat! I like chicken mainly.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

marwen:

A Muslim adhering to a vegan diet is following the laws of Allah. Choosing not to eat meat is a choice. Eating meat is not Fard (Obligatory), an exception is slaughtering and sacrificing meat for Id and distributing it. The availability of Hilal meat is a issue in many non Muslim countries.

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 7, Book 68, Number 477:

Narrated 'Aisha:

We used to salt some of the meat of sacrifice and present it to the Prophet at Medina. Once he said, "Do not eat (of that meat) for more than three days." That was not a final order, but (that year) he wanted us to feed of it to others, Allah knows better.

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 7, Book 68, Number 480:

Narrated Salim:

'Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "Allah's Apostle said, "Eat of the meat of sacrifices (of 'Id al Adha) for three days." When 'Abdullah departed from Mina, he used to eat (bread with) oil, lest he should eat of the meat of Hadi (which is regarded as unlawful after the three days of the 'Id).

Note: The evidence above is not advocating that the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) only ate meat during Id or that eating meat is only lawful during Id and three days after.
__________________________________________________ ________________________

There are foods you don't eat which is a choice.


Surah An'am

6:141 It is He Who produceth gardens, with trellises and without, and dates, and tilth with produce of all kinds, and olives and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in variety): eat of their fruit in their season, but render the dues that are proper on the day that the harvest is gathered. But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters. (Y. Ali translation)

Surah Ra'd

13:4 And in the earth are tracts (diverse though) neighbouring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand! (Y. Ali translation)

Surah Nahl

16:11 With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily in this is a sign for those who give thought. (Y. Ali translation)

Surah Waqi'ah

56:29 And clustered plantains (bananas), (Picktall translation)

Surah Baqarah

2:61 And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing. (Y. Ali translation)

The Prophet ate what he liked and he left aside what he didn't like.

This post was submitted with the best intentions. Any positive contribution based on Quran and Sunnah is appreciated.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

What are the health benefits of soy?

http://soynutrition.com/SoyHealth.ht...FQksawod6z4khQ

[~Raindrop~]

I couldn't live without chicken- it's my main source of protein as I'm allergic to eggs and nuts.
Anyway, a vegetable pizza compared to a chicken one is...very different. Same with chicken salad compared to a normal 'green' one lol
I tried soya milk once. Alhamdulillah.:skeleton: I think I'll stick to cows and goats milk in the future :hiding:
If Allah SWT has blessed us with meat, why not make the most of it?? :-\

[Argamemnon]

I usually eat brown rice, different types of beans, vegetables, fruit, dried fruit, yoghurt and eggs. Sometimes salmon, chicken or other meat but I'm not a big meat eater. I have also started consuming cinnamon powder (ceylon) and turmeric powder daily.. turmeric powder is apparently the healthiest spice on earth or one of the healthiest. It's almost impossible to eat healthier than I do, but I'm still an emotional wreck most of the time.. :)

[Argamemnon]

Multi-Vitamins can handle any deficiencies the body lacks for the absence of non-Halal meat.

Multi-Vitamins can never replace the nutrients in food that all work together miraculously.

[UmmSqueakster]

22 pounds lost after a 22 week nearly vegetarian diet alhamdulilah. I'm like 30% vegan, 60% vegetarian and 10% omnivorous. Each day it's 1 meal that's vegan, and 2 meals that are vegetarian (mainly butter, milk and honey). Meat is a 2 or 3 times a month treat.

Don't know what I'll do in Ramadan though, as all the iftars we're invited to are carnivore delights. The only vegetarian offerings is usually a limp looking salad :skeleton:

[sabr*]

22 pounds lost after a 22 week nearly vegetarian diet alhamdulilah. I'm like 30% vegan, 60% vegetarian and 10% omnivorous. Each day it's 1 meal that's vegan, and 2 meals that are vegetarian (mainly butter, milk and honey). Meat is a 2 or 3 times a month treat.

Don't know what I'll do in Ramadan though, as all the iftars we're invited to are carnivore delights. The only vegetarian offerings is usually a limp looking salad :skeleton:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

UmmSqueakster:

Saum (Abstaining) in the Islamic Month of Ramadan allows Muslims to reestablish discipline in their nafs (desires, lower self) and diet. Fasting isn't changing your eating from daytime to nighttime. The benefits are boundless spiritually and physically. I am exposed to the identical iftar. I usually gravitate to the iftars that offer vegan options. With all the cooks and recipes during this month you should locate various dietary options. My stomach gets small during this month and I couldn't eat all what I see if I wanted.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Argamemnon:

I agree that multi-vitamins alone will not be sufficient in replacing the nutrients that are in meat. It requires many other natural products to replace or compliment what a person doesn't receive with meat. That would be true for developing countries that don't have any food at all.

http://www.build-muscle-and-burn-fat...y-protein.html

[Sister Unknown]

Wa Alaykum Salam

Well, I don't eat meat at all but I do eat eggs etc..

I don't eat meat because I don't know if it is halal. My mother gets meat from grocery stores. Is this praise?

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

UmmSqueakster:

The obesity witnessed in the Masjid in many cases can be attributed to overeating. The observance of consumption during the iftar is like people are just altering their diet to the evening verses fasting.

Good job in losing the desired weight. It will benefit your health immediately and the long run. Being overweight could contribute to diabetes and high blood pressure.

Alhamdulillah

Thank you for your positive comments.

Jazakumullahu Khair

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Sister Unknown:

Insha Allah that is the primary reason that motivated Muslims observing the vegan or vegetarian diet because of the lack of availability of Hilal meat. The following link will explain the Zabiha process regarding which foods can and cannot be eaten and also on the proper method of slaughtering an animal for consumption, known as Zabihah.

http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~facilit...lStandards.pdf

http://www.zabihah.com/ad.php?id=1

http://hilal-discourse.net/pdf/Zabiha-Final.pdf

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Sister Unknown]

Wa Aalaykum Salam

The second link worked. I read what it says and I'll explore it furher inshAllah. The first link didn't work but that's my computer.

jazzakAllahu Kahyr. May Allah rewar dyou.

[Sister Unknown]

But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters. (Y. Ali translation)

A very good aya. How much do we wate these days?


Abu Umamah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "O son of Adam, if you spend the surplus, it will be better for you; and if you retain it, it will be evil for you. You will not be reprimanded for storing what is enough for your need. First of all spend upon those who are your dependents."

[At-Tirmidhi].


Commentary: The Muslims have been allowed, rather emphatically told and commanded, to possess as much wealth as could meet their personal and family needs. Yet, they have also been advised to spend the spare money on the needy. Man has been told that it is unwise on his part to be niggardly about money because it spawns unfavourable results in this world as well as in the Hereafter. The concentration of wealth within a few hands freezes its vitality and leads to corruption in society. As for the Hereafter, the result of stinginess will be definitely bad as the Qur'an says:

"The things which they covetously withheld shall be tied to their necks like a collar on the Day of Resurrection." (3:180)

Some 'Ulama' are of the opinion that after the payment of the annual Zakat (poor-due), it is not necessary to spend more. But to be accurate, if somebody pays Zakat and yet retains enough money with him, and there are some needy people also in his knowledge, then he will be bound to spend on them. At-Tirmidhi quoted a Hadith in which Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Indeed there is a right (for poor) in the wealth in addition to Zakat."

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Which alternative milks do drink? What are the benefits?

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/0...lk-for-you.htm

http://richricemilk.com/faqs.html

Rice milk has no cholesterol and lactose. Commercial brands are often fortified with Vitamins A and D, some B vitamins, calcium and iron.

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Woodrow]

Here in the USA we are in the midst of one of the largest meat producing regions of the world. But, a very small percentage of it is halal and suitable for eating. We are like the thirsty man on a raft in the sea, "Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink." Many Muslims in the USA are limited to vegetarian or very near vegetarian diets.

Because of this we have learned to eat a very large variety of fruits, nuts and vegetables.

You can not always trust the Halal label in the stores even in stores run by Muslims as the grocer may have been lied to about the source. Even then even if it is known the animal was slaughtered properly it is very doubtful it was cared for or fed properly. We have very few Muslim farmers raising sufficient meat for sales.

We need more wealthy Muslims moving to the USA with sufficient money to make a successful Halal meat farm. Because of the distances from the meat producing regions and the population centers a farmer would need to produce many thousands of pounds of meat per week just to off set costs. Food while a big necessity is a very low profit item for farmers. Here many farms have been abandoned because the farners could not afford the losses.

My friend here was raising beef and it looked promising that between the 2 of us we could provide some halal beef for the North Dakota market. He was raising it properly and I would have been doing the slaughtering. But, after paying nearly $1 per pound for the calves and raising them we ended up with about 30 cents per pound from the sales. But, brought the stores 5 to 10 dollars per pound at retail. A considerable loss of money for both of us. Which is why I have to stick with horses. Can't eat them, but at least they bring in enough income to pay some of the bills.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Woodrow::

Sukranallah!

Very informative. Those who don't observe a vegan or vegetarian diet fail to realize that many practicing Muslims began to observe the vegan or vegetarian diet because of the lack of availability of Hilal meat.

This fact has been presented in the early parts of this thread and is apparently neglected. Review the threads that were created to mirror and create an opposing view to this thread.

Alhamdulillah!

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Woodrow]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Woodrow::

Sukranallah!

Very informative. Those who don't observe a vegan or vegetarian diet fail to realize that many practicing Muslims began to observe the vegan or vegetarian diet because of the lack of availability of Hilal meat.

This fact has been presented in the early parts of this thread and is apparently neglected. Review the threads that were created to mirror and create an opposing view to this thread.

Alhamdulillah!

Jazakumullahu Khair

:sl:

In spite of many Muslims in the USA saying they have no problem in finding Halal meat. I will simply say there is no problem in finding meat that is labeled Halal. The only question is "Can the label be believed?"

Actual verifiable halal meat is harder to find in the USA, than ice cubes in the Sahara. The Chickens and Beef are most often raised on what can best be called an animal factory and not a farm. Both Chicjkens and Cows are not native to the USA. They can not survive well on the natural habitat of the land, to raise them food suppliments have to be added to their diets, quite often these suppliments are animal by products. It gets to be very questionable as to if the animal is halal even if it looks like what is supposed to be a halal animal.

If you do not know the farmer, how the animal was raised and know who slaughtered it. You really have no proof of anything being halal except the label. Sorry, I have little faith in labels and want to know, not think what I eat is halal. I do not want to insinuate everybody who sticks a halal label on their products is wrong, I just say check carefully and so far here in North Dakota the only meat I know for certain is halal is that from people I personally know, which is not available very often, so I end up spending most of the year vegetarian.

People who do not live in areas where halal meat is scarce have difficulty in understanding how difficult it can be to find.

[أحمد]

:sl:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

marwen:

A Muslim adhering to a vegan diet is following the laws of Allah. Choosing not to eat meat is a choice. Eating meat is not Fard (Obligatory), an exception is slaughtering and sacrificing meat for Id and distributing it. The availability of Hilal meat is a issue in many non Muslim countries.

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 7, Book 68, Number 477:

Narrated 'Aisha:

We used to salt some of the meat of sacrifice and present it to the Prophet at Medina. Once he said, "Do not eat (of that meat) for more than three days." That was not a final order, but (that year) he wanted us to feed of it to others, Allah knows better.

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 7, Book 68, Number 480:

Narrated Salim:

'Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "Allah's Apostle said, "Eat of the meat of sacrifices (of 'Id al Adha) for three days." When 'Abdullah departed from Mina, he used to eat (bread with) oil, lest he should eat of the meat of Hadi (which is regarded as unlawful after the three days of the 'Id).

Note: The evidence above is not advocating that the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) only ate meat during Id or that eating meat is only lawful during Id and three days after.
__________________________________________________ ________________________

There are foods you don't eat which is a choice.


Surah An'am

6:141 It is He Who produceth gardens, with trellises and without, and dates, and tilth with produce of all kinds, and olives and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in variety): eat of their fruit in their season, but render the dues that are proper on the day that the harvest is gathered. But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters. (Y. Ali translation)

Surah Ra'd

13:4 And in the earth are tracts (diverse though) neighbouring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand! (Y. Ali translation)

Surah Nahl

16:11 With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily in this is a sign for those who give thought. (Y. Ali translation)

Surah Waqi'ah

56:29 And clustered plantains (bananas), (Picktall translation)

Surah Baqarah

2:61 And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing. (Y. Ali translation)

The Prophet ate what he liked and he left aside what he didn't like.

This post was submitted with the best intentions. Any positive contribution based on Quran and Sunnah is appreciated.

Read the first three ayaat of al Maaidah:

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ أَوۡفُواْ بِٱلۡعُقُودِ*ۚ أُحِلَّتۡ لَكُم بَہِيمَةُ ٱلۡأَنۡعَـٰمِ إِلَّا مَا يُتۡلَىٰ عَلَيۡكُمۡ غَيۡرَ مُحِلِّى ٱلصَّيۡدِ وَأَنتُمۡ حُرُمٌ*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَحۡكُمُ مَا يُرِيدُ (١) يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تُحِلُّواْ شَعَـٰٓٮِٕرَ ٱللَّهِ وَلَا ٱلشَّہۡرَ ٱلۡحَرَامَ وَلَا ٱلۡهَدۡىَ وَلَا ٱلۡقَلَـٰٓٮِٕدَ وَلَآ ءَآمِّينَ ٱلۡبَيۡتَ ٱلۡحَرَامَ يَبۡتَغُونَ فَضۡلاً۬ مِّن رَّبِّہِمۡ وَرِضۡوَٲنً۬ا*ۚ وَإِذَا حَلَلۡتُمۡ فَٱصۡطَادُواْ*ۚ وَلَا يَجۡرِمَنَّكُمۡ شَنَـَٔانُ قَوۡمٍ أَن صَدُّوڪُمۡ عَنِ ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡحَرَامِ أَن تَعۡتَدُواْ*ۘ وَتَعَاوَنُواْ عَلَى ٱلۡبِرِّ وَٱلتَّقۡوَىٰ*ۖ وَلَا تَعَاوَنُواْ عَلَى ٱلۡإِثۡمِ وَٱلۡعُدۡوَٲنِ*ۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ*ۖ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ شَدِيدُ ٱلۡعِقَابِ (٢) حُرِّمَتۡ عَلَيۡكُمُ ٱلۡمَيۡتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحۡمُ ٱلۡخِنزِيرِ وَمَآ أُهِلَّ لِغَيۡرِ ٱللَّهِ بِهِۦ وَٱلۡمُنۡخَنِقَةُ وَٱلۡمَوۡقُوذَةُ وَٱلۡمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَٱلنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَآ أَكَلَ ٱلسَّبُعُ إِلَّا مَا ذَكَّيۡتُمۡ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى ٱلنُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسۡتَقۡسِمُواْ بِٱلۡأَزۡلَـٰمِ*ۚ ذَٲلِكُمۡ فِسۡقٌ*ۗ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ يَٮِٕسَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمۡ فَلَا تَخۡشَوۡهُمۡ وَٱخۡشَوۡنِ*ۚ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ أَكۡمَلۡتُ لَكُمۡ دِينَكُمۡ وَأَتۡمَمۡتُ عَلَيۡكُمۡ نِعۡمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ ٱلۡإِسۡلَـٰمَ دِينً۬ا*ۚ فَمَنِ ٱضۡطُرَّ فِى مَخۡمَصَةٍ غَيۡرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ۬ لِّإِثۡمٍ۬*ۙ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣)

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
O ye who believe! Fulfil your undertakings. The beast of cattle is made lawful unto you (for food) except that which is announced unto you (herein), game being unlawful when ye are on the pilgrimage. Lo! Allah ordaineth that which pleaseth Him. (1) O ye who believe! Profane not Allah's monuments nor the Sacred Month nor the offerings nor those garlands, nor those repairing to the Sacred House, seeking the grace and pleasure of their Lord. But when ye have left the sacred territory, then go hunting (if ye will). And let not your hatred of a folk who (once) stopped your going to the inviolable place of worship seduce you to transgress; but help ye one another unto righteousness and pious duty. Help not one another unto sin and transgression, but keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is severe in punishment. (2) Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine-flesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL-ISLAM. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (3)

You've very kindly mentioned the vegan diet as following the laws of Allah, but you missed out the same for cattle (as mentioned in al Maaidah). Remember one thing; try to give the full picture of any scenario when talking about laws of Allah.

وَلَا تَلۡبِسُواْ ٱلۡحَقَّ بِٱلۡبَـٰطِلِ وَتَكۡتُمُواْ ٱلۡحَقَّ وَأَنتُمۡ تَعۡلَمُونَ

Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. (2:42)

:wa:

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ahmed Waheed:

Apparently you failed to read the entire thread. Those Muslims who eat vegan or vegetarian primary reason is not having access to Hilal meat. There isn't anyone in this thread that has claimed eating Hilal meat is unlawful. The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) ate what he wanted that was lawful which you appear to fail to acknowledge. Let us remind you.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 65, Number 320:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet never criticized any food (he was invited to) but he used to eat if he liked the food, and leave it if he disliked.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 65, Number 314:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

My aunt presented (roasted) mastigures, Iqt and milk to the Prophet . The mastigures were put on his dining sheet, and if it was unlawful to eat, it would not have been put there. The Prophet drank the milk and ate the Iqt only.

[Woodrow]

:sl:



Read the first three ayaat of al Maaidah:

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ أَوۡفُواْ بِٱلۡعُقُودِ*ۚ أُحِلَّتۡ لَكُم بَہِيمَةُ ٱلۡأَنۡعَـٰمِ إِلَّا مَا يُتۡلَىٰ عَلَيۡكُمۡ غَيۡرَ مُحِلِّى ٱلصَّيۡدِ وَأَنتُمۡ حُرُمٌ*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَحۡكُمُ مَا يُرِيدُ (١) يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تُحِلُّواْ شَعَـٰٓٮِٕرَ ٱللَّهِ وَلَا ٱلشَّہۡرَ ٱلۡحَرَامَ وَلَا ٱلۡهَدۡىَ وَلَا ٱلۡقَلَـٰٓٮِٕدَ وَلَآ ءَآمِّينَ ٱلۡبَيۡتَ ٱلۡحَرَامَ يَبۡتَغُونَ فَضۡلاً۬ مِّن رَّبِّہِمۡ وَرِضۡوَٲنً۬ا*ۚ وَإِذَا حَلَلۡتُمۡ فَٱصۡطَادُواْ*ۚ وَلَا يَجۡرِمَنَّكُمۡ شَنَـَٔانُ قَوۡمٍ أَن صَدُّوڪُمۡ عَنِ ٱلۡمَسۡجِدِ ٱلۡحَرَامِ أَن تَعۡتَدُواْ*ۘ وَتَعَاوَنُواْ عَلَى ٱلۡبِرِّ وَٱلتَّقۡوَىٰ*ۖ وَلَا تَعَاوَنُواْ عَلَى ٱلۡإِثۡمِ وَٱلۡعُدۡوَٲنِ*ۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ*ۖ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ شَدِيدُ ٱلۡعِقَابِ (٢) حُرِّمَتۡ عَلَيۡكُمُ ٱلۡمَيۡتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحۡمُ ٱلۡخِنزِيرِ وَمَآ أُهِلَّ لِغَيۡرِ ٱللَّهِ بِهِۦ وَٱلۡمُنۡخَنِقَةُ وَٱلۡمَوۡقُوذَةُ وَٱلۡمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَٱلنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَآ أَكَلَ ٱلسَّبُعُ إِلَّا مَا ذَكَّيۡتُمۡ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى ٱلنُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسۡتَقۡسِمُواْ بِٱلۡأَزۡلَـٰمِ*ۚ ذَٲلِكُمۡ فِسۡقٌ*ۗ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ يَٮِٕسَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمۡ فَلَا تَخۡشَوۡهُمۡ وَٱخۡشَوۡنِ*ۚ ٱلۡيَوۡمَ أَكۡمَلۡتُ لَكُمۡ دِينَكُمۡ وَأَتۡمَمۡتُ عَلَيۡكُمۡ نِعۡمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ ٱلۡإِسۡلَـٰمَ دِينً۬ا*ۚ فَمَنِ ٱضۡطُرَّ فِى مَخۡمَصَةٍ غَيۡرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ۬ لِّإِثۡمٍ۬*ۙ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣)

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
O ye who believe! Fulfil your undertakings. The beast of cattle is made lawful unto you (for food) except that which is announced unto you (herein), game being unlawful when ye are on the pilgrimage. Lo! Allah ordaineth that which pleaseth Him. (1) O ye who believe! Profane not Allah's monuments nor the Sacred Month nor the offerings nor those garlands, nor those repairing to the Sacred House, seeking the grace and pleasure of their Lord. But when ye have left the sacred territory, then go hunting (if ye will). And let not your hatred of a folk who (once) stopped your going to the inviolable place of worship seduce you to transgress; but help ye one another unto righteousness and pious duty. Help not one another unto sin and transgression, but keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is severe in punishment. (2) Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine-flesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL-ISLAM. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (3)

You've very kindly mentioned the vegan diet as following the laws of Allah, but you missed out the same for cattle (as mentioned in al Maaidah). Remember one thing; try to give the full picture of any scenario when talking about laws of Allah.

وَلَا تَلۡبِسُواْ ٱلۡحَقَّ بِٱلۡبَـٰطِلِ وَتَكۡتُمُواْ ٱلۡحَقَّ وَأَنتُمۡ تَعۡلَمُونَ

Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth. (2:42)

:wa:

Perhaps I am overlooking something. I don't think anyone is saying we have to be vegans or vegetarians.
What I am understanding the thread to be saying is it is not forbidden to be either. Especially if halal meat is not available.

At this moment I would love to have a nice slice of roast beef. In all probability the next meat I have will be either goat or chicken. I need to buy my friend some calves to raise, but none will be available until spring.

Am I committing a sin because I have no halal beef to eat? Am I prohibited from being vegan until meat is available?

[أحمد]

:sl:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ahmed Waheed:

Apparently you failed to read the entire thread. Those Muslims who eat vegan or vegetarian primary reason is not having access to Hilal meat. There isn't anyone in this thread that has claimed eating Hilal meat is unlawful. The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) ate what he wanted that was lawful which you appear to fail to acknowledge. Let us remind you.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 65, Number 320:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet never criticized any food (he was invited to) but he used to eat if he liked the food, and leave it if he disliked.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 65, Number 314:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

My aunt presented (roasted) mastigures, Iqt and milk to the Prophet . The mastigures were put on his dining sheet, and if it was unlawful to eat, it would not have been put there. The Prophet drank the milk and ate the Iqt only.

Perhaps I am overlooking something. I don't think anyone is saying we have to be vegans or vegetarians.
What I am understanding the thread to be saying is it is not forbidden to be either. Especially if halal meat is not available.

At this moment I would love to have a nice slice of roast beef. In all probability the next meat I have will be either goat or chicken. I need to buy my friend some calves to raise, but none will be available until spring.

Am I committing a sin because I have no halal beef to eat? Am I prohibited from being vegan until meat is available?

My post comment was: "You've very kindly mentioned the vegan diet as following the laws of Allah, but you missed out the same for cattle (as mentioned in al Maaidah). Remember one thing; try to give the full picture of any scenario when talking about laws of Allah."

I didn't mention about the concept of haram and halal; I stated the obvious, to give the full picture of the scenario, not part of it, as that can be misleading.

My point was to answer a point raised about laws of Allah.

:wa:

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 637:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet said, "The most hated person in the sight of Allah is the most quarrelsome person."

[أحمد]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 637:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet said, "The most hated person in the sight of Allah is the most quarrelsome person."

:sl:

There's a difference between justice to the topic and quarrelling; I hope you understand. Neither my intention was to quarrel, nor are my posts quarrelsome. Ignore my posts if you don't like them.

:wa:

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

OK back on topic and engaging in positive communication.

Nutrition

All of the following nutritional benefits come from a vegan diet full of foods such as fresh fruits and vegetables, whole grains, nuts, beans, and soy products.

1. Reduced saturated fats. Dairy products and meats contain a large amount of saturated fats. By reducing the amount of saturated fats from your diet, you’ll improve your health tremendously, especially when it comes to cardiovascular health.


2. Carbohydrates. Carbohydrates provide energy for your body. When you don’t have enough carbohydrates, your body will burn muscle tissue.

3. Fiber. A diet high in fiber (as vegan eating usually is) leads to healthier bowel movements. High fiber diets help fight against colon cancer.

4. Magnesium. Aiding in the absorption of calcium, magnesium is an often overlooked vitamin in importance to a healthy diet. Nuts, seeds, and dark leafy greens are an excellent source of magnesium.

5. Potassium. Potassium balances water and acidity in your body and stimulates the kidneys to eliminate toxins. Diets high in potassium have shown to reduce the risk of cardiovascular diseases and cancer.

6. Folate. This B vitamin is an important part of a healthy diet. Folate helps with cell repair, generating red and white blood cells, and metabolizing amino acids.

7. Antioxidants. For protection against cell damage, antioxidants are one of the best ways to help your body. Many researchers also believe that antioxidants help protect your body against forming some types of cancer.

8. Vitamin C. Besides boosting your immune system, Vitamin C also helps keep your gums healthy and helps your bruises heal faster. Vitamin C is also an antioxidant.

9. Vitamin E. This powerful vitamin has benefits for your heart, skin, eyes, brain, and may even help prevent Alzheimer’s Disease. A diet high in grains, nuts, and dark leafy greens is full of Vitamin E.

10. Phytochemicals. Plant-based foods provide phytochemicals, which help to prevent and heal the body from cancer, boost protective enzymes, and work with antioxidants in the body.

11. Protein. That protein is good for your body is no surprise. It may be a surprise to learn that most Americans eat too much protein and in forms such as red meat that are not healthy ways of getting protein. Beans, nuts, peas, lentils, and soy products are all great ways to get the right amount of protein in a vegan diet.

Disease Prevention (Management- Allah controls what tomorrow brings)

Eating a healthy vegan diet has shown to prevent a number of diseases. Find out from the list below what you could potentially avoid just by switching to a healthy, balanced vegan way of eating.

12. Cardiovascular disease. Eating nuts and whole grains, while eliminating dairy products and meat, will improve your cardiovascular health. A British study indicates that a vegan diet reduces the risk for heart disease and Type 2 diabetes. Vegan diets go far in preventing heart attack and stroke.

13. Cholesterol. Eliminating any food that comes from an animal and you will eliminate all dietary cholesterol from your diet. Your heart will thank you for that.

14. Blood pressure. A diet rich in whole grains is beneficial to your health in many ways, including lowering high blood pressure.

15. Type 2 diabetes. Not only is a vegan diet a weapon against Type 2 diabetes, it is also "easier to follow than the standard diet recommended by the American Diabetic Association." Read more about it here.

16. Prostate cancer. A major study showed that men in the early stages of prostate cancer who switched to a vegan diet either stopped the progress of the cancer or may have even reversed the illness.

17. Colon cancer. Eating a diet consisting of whole grains, along with fresh fruits and vegetables, can greatly reduce your chances of colon cancer.

18. Breast cancer. Countries where women eat very little meat and animal products have a much lower rate of breast cancer than do the women in countries that consume more animal products.

19. Muscular degeneration. Diets with lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, especially leafy greens, carrots, pumpkin, and sweet potatoes, can help prevent the onset of age-related muscular degeneration.

20. Cataracts. Much the same way muscular degeneration is headed off by a vegan diet, cataracts are also thought to be prevented through the intake of the same fruits and vegetables. Produce high in antioxidants are also believed to help prevent cataracts.

21. Arthritis. Eliminating dairy consumption has long been connected with alleviating arthritis symptoms, but a new study indicates that a combination of gluten-free and vegan diet is very promising for improving the health of those suffering from rheumatoid arthritis.

22. Osteoporosis. Bone health depends on a balance of neither too much or too little protein, adequate calcium intake, high potassium, and low sodium. With a healthy vegan diet, all four of these points set a perfect scenario for preventing osteoporosis.

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Argamemnon]

Perhaps a bit off topic but does anyone know if frozen cooked food retain their nutrients? I know that frozen (raw) vegetables are ok, but what about frozen cooked food? I eat frozen brown rice and beans etc. but if they don't retain their nutrients I might stop doing this inshallah...

[sabr*]

Perhaps a bit off topic but does anyone know if frozen cooked food retain their nutrients? I know that frozen (raw) vegetables are ok, but what about frozen cooked food? I eat frozen brown rice and beans etc. but if they don't retain their nutrients I might stop doing this inshallah...

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Argamemnon

The following thread may provide some insight on your inquiry. Insha Allah

http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_...p_nutrition_fo

[Argamemnon]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Argamemnon

The following thread may provide some insight on your inquiry. Insha Allah

http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_...p_nutrition_fo

wa alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

thanks for the link brother, but unfortunately i couldn't find anything about frozen cooked/prepared food, i might have overlooked it.

[sabr*]

does anyone know if frozen cooked food retain their nutrients? but what about frozen cooked food? ...

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Argamemnon:

Your above inquiry regarded the frozen food retaining nutrients after cooked.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...nutrition.html

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

List some of your favorite vegan recipes or foods you are eating during Iftar.

Falafel

[Snowflake]

I always wondered what falafel was. They look yum, so I just tried to search for a recipe but it seems they can be made with different types of beans. I want to make some. Which beans are the best to use - as in tastiest?

[manaal]

^ Falafel is traditionally made with chick peas.

[جوري]

except in Egypt where they are made of fava beans..

:w:

[manaal]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Thank you for you post. But please stay on topic. The majority only adhere to the vegan dietary fare with fish because of the lack of access to Halal meats for years.

Isn't that self-contradictory? "Vegan" refers to eating only foods from plants and staying away from all animal products including dairy and fish.

"Vegetarians" do eat dairy (milk, cheese, yoghurt).

People who eat fish and no other meat are called "Pescetarians".

I have a question to all Muslim Vegetarians who stay away from meat because they live in a country where you can't get halal meat. Would you do the same if you lived in Muslim country where all the meat is halal? What would you do when you go on hajj? The hadi sacrifce is compulsory for those travelling from abroad for hajj. What about Aqiqa and Udhiya? Are you going to miss out on these important sunnahs.

Personally I feel that a Muslims should not/could not be a strict vegetarian and act as though the world will end if u eat meat (not u bro Woodrow). Be one if you like, but please don't preach your man-made beliefs to others.

Btw. Something that is halaal becomes haraam to a person when eating can be harmful to your life and health. (e.g. those with diabetes eating sugar).

Moderation is the key.

[Woodrow]

Isn't that self-contradictory? "Vegan" refers to eating only foods from plants and staying away from all animal products including dairy and fish.

"Vegetarians" do eat dairy (milk, cheese, yoghurt).

People who eat fish and no other meat are called "Pescetarians".

I have a question to all Muslim Vegetarians who stay away from meat because they live in a country where you can't get halal meat. Would you do the same if you lived in Muslim country where all the meat is halal? What would you do when you go on hajj? The hadi sacrifce is compulsory for those travelling from abroad for hajj. What about Aqiqa and Udhiya? Are you going to miss out on these important sunnahs.

Personally I feel that a Muslims should not/could not be a strict vegetarian and act as though the world will end if u eat meat (not u bro Woodrow). Be one if you like, but please don't preach your man-made beliefs to others.

Btw. Something that is halaal becomes haraam to a person when eating can be harmful to your life and health. (e.g. those with diabetes eating sugar).

Moderation is the key.

:sl:

I doubt if the thread starter was intending to push vegetarianism upon non-vegetarians,my feeling is he was trying to show that it not haram to be a vegetarian by choice.

There are people who are forced to live a vegetarian life to a large degree and are not on a vegetarian diet by choice. Some of us (myself) are so because of the lack of halal meat available. There is another group who can never eat meat and that is those who are severely allergic to meat. Yes, such a condition does exist and some have such severe reactions they can die from eating anything that has even touched meat. Usually those same people are also allergic to dairy products and fish. In it's lesser, and more common form the person is only allergic to one type of meat. Sadly that is usually beef and/or other red meats.

To those who live a vegetarian life style, there should be no problem. Provided they are are willing to make concessions that eating meat at some times is an obligation. A vegetarian diet can be very healthy and a meat diet can be very healthy. The key is moderation, variety and keeping it halal.

[Snowflake]

^ Falafel is traditionally made with chick peas.

except in Egypt where they are made of fava beans..

:w:

Have you both tried the other? I prefer richer flavours.

[Woodrow]

Have you both tried the other? I prefer richer flavours.

Personally I find the ones made with Fava beans to have the richer flavor. But, I am a Fava bean lover. To me they have a very meaty flavor. While genuine Falafel is made with Garbanzos (chick peas) I prefer the ones made with Fava Beans.

[جوري]

Have you both tried the other? I prefer richer flavours.

Personally I find the ones made with Fava beans to have the richer flavor. But, I am a Fava bean lover. To me they have a very meaty flavor. While genuine Falafel is made with Garbanzos (chick peas) I prefer the ones made with Fava Beans.

I have to second Br. Woodrow.. there is no beating the flavor of the fava bean falafel bar none!
It is amazing that poor people's food can taste so good.. al7mdlillah.. Allah swt does provide for everyone according to their means the best there is..

:w:

[manaal]

Have you both tried the other? I prefer richer flavours.

Not tried either... despite living in the middle east!

Some vegetarian dishes I truly love are South Indian Chaat and Thali menus. They are very flavoursome (is that a word?) and packed with variety.

@Bro Woodrow. Yes I do understand the situation for western Muslims. But that's not what the pro-veg posters are saying. If halaal is the problem then what's stopping them from eating fish, shellfish and eggs?

[Woodrow]

@Bro Woodrow. Yes I do understand the situation for western Muslims. But that's not what the pro-veg posters are saying. If halaal is the problem then what's stopping them from eating fish, shellfish and eggs?

The only thing stopping them would be personal choice or an allergy. They might be missing out on some good stuff by not eating Fish, Shellfish and eggs. But, as long as they are not avoiding them as a cultural/religious (following teachings from a religion besides Islam) choice or because of a superstition it would be halal not to eat them.

But I do not think platypus eggs would be halal.

[Snowflake]

Personally I find the ones made with Fava beans to have the richer flavor. But, I am a Fava bean lover. To me they have a very meaty flavor. While genuine Falafel is made with Garbanzos (chick peas) I prefer the ones made with Fava Beans.

Jazak Allah khayr for you input akhi. That's what I wanted to know. I made some for iftari today with a can chick peas that was lying around. I might have missed the authentic flavour by adding some chopped green chillies and red chilli powder to the mix. But they were surprisingly nice and looked like kebabs. I'm definitely going to try making them with fava beans. But which ones would you recommend. Dried or canned? Are canned ones any less tasty?

I have to second Br. Woodrow.. there is no beating the flavor of the fava bean falafel bar none!
It is amazing that poor people's food can taste so good.. al7mdlillah.. Allah swt does provide for everyone according to their means the best there is..

:w:

Jazaki Allah khayr ukhti. I can't wait to try fava beans now. Falafel has shot to the top of my list of what to serve unexpected guests in a hurry. And you're right about 'poor people's food'. Some of the best food I've had was the plain simple food in the villages of Pakistan. Unbeatable!

Not tried either... despite living in the middle east!

Some vegetarian dishes I truly love are South Indian Chaat and Thali menus. They are very flavoursome (is that a word?) and packed with variety.

Aw then I beaten you to it living in the UK ukhti! Jazaki Allah khayr for the link. I try Indian food now and then (not sure which part of India it's from). I made dahi bhalle as well today. They are fried lentil balls in yogurt topped with tamarind sauce. A lot of indian & pakistani food is the same. But when it comes to vegetarian fayre, you can't beat the indians.

Dahi bhalle - truly delicious and healthy too mashaAllah

[manaal]

@ Bro Woodrow : Point taken. May Allah Bless you for your patience and being such a good explainer!

J

Aw then I beaten you to it living in the UK ukhti! Jazaki Allah khayr for the link. I try Indian food now and then (not sure which part of India it's from). I made dahi bhalle as well today. They are fried lentil balls in yogurt topped with tamarind sauce. A lot of indian & pakistani food is the same. But when it comes to vegetarian fayre, you can't beat the indians.

Dahi bhalle - truly delicious and healthy too mashaAllah

You are soooo right about Indian veg dishes!

here's another mid eastern one.... "Baba Ghanoush" - a creamy broiled eggplant dip with lemon and parsley is lovely with toasted pita bread. I have tried but haven't made it my self. If I do, I'd add some thinly sliced green chillies and red onions to ad some kick to it. Ahhhh................

[sabr*]

:sl:

I doubt if the thread starter was intending to push vegetarianism upon non-vegetarians,my feeling is he was trying to show that it not haram to be a vegetarian by choice.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Woodrow:

Your statement is correct. The title of the thread and the posts in the thread provides clearity. Sometimes a thread requires reading before posting.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

manaal

I assume the term pesco-vegetarianism would apply to many who are unable to secure Hilal meats. There are no dietary slaughtering requirements for seafood.

Pesco-vegetarianism -is the practice of a diet that includes seafood and excludes mammals and birds. In addition to fish or shellfish, a pescetarian diet typically includes some or all of vegetables, fruit, nuts, grains, beans, eggs, and dairy.

[Woodrow]

:sl:

One thing I notice is the further away from the equater you go the more prevelant meat eating becomes, until you raech a point where no vegetables are eaten (North of the Artic Circle) although now because of rapid transport that is changing.
An all meat diet seems to be quite unhealthy. If you look at the prevalent illnesses found among Eskimos, Inuits, Lapps etc.

Scurvy

SALMONELLOSIS

Vitamin A toxicity

Lower respiratory distress

Periodontal Disease

It appears for the best health there needs to be a balance between vegitarian and meat diets. Over doing in nearly anything results in health problems. Perhaps moderation in eating is the most beneficial diet.

[IAmZamzam]

As for how vegetarianism relates to our religion, the Koran makes it absolutely clear that there is nothing inherently wrong with eating meat:

And He created the cattle for you; you have in them warm clothing and (many) advantages, and of them do you eat… (Koran 16:5, Shakir)

And that the same goes for other animal-based foods like milk:

Most surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle; We give you to drink of what is in their bellies—from betwixt the feces and the blood—pure milk, easy and agreeable to swallow for those who drink. (Koran 16:66, Shakir)

Allah has given you a place to abide in your houses, and He has given you tents of the skins of cattle which you find light to carry on the day of your march and on the day of your halting, and of their wool and their fur and their hair (He has given you) household stuff and a provision for a time. (Koran 16:80, Shakir)

However, the only diets that are forbidden are “what dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) Allah has been invoked” (Koran 2:173, Shakir), so a vegetarian diet, made out of personal choice or medical necessity, is not haraam either.

As for the health aspects of vegetarianism, they can be quite deceptive. If you can manage to get a really well-designed diet going (and it has to be well-designed in more than just theory, since every human body is different), and keep to it consistently, then it may possibly improve your health, but the task is easier said than done. I’ve tried it myself.

The philosophy behind moral vegetarianism has always been quizzical to me. The idea behind it is to spare living things, but it only results in more living things from a different kingdom being killed instead. Plants are living things too: do these folks simply forget this, or do they discriminate against a plant, thinking it has less right to live than an animal? I say it makes no difference, and so you may as well follow your omnivorous nature.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Yahya Sulaiman:

Can you take the time to read all of my posts regarding this thread to gain some clarity. No one in this thread promoted or made statements that meat is haram. Reread all my posts.

[Woodrow]

Being or not being a vegetarian has no need to become a Religious issue. Unless the person is purporting it to be a commandment to be or that meat was haram. If it is halal to eat something, feel free to eat, it makes no difference if it is meat or vegetable. Halal is halal.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Shabir Ally view on Muslims observing a vegan diet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YdSo...eature=related

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Can we post actual vegan meals we prepared.

(Please post your own photos of the vegan dishes not internet pics)

Real dishes and detail the recipe. Insha Allah

Baked Falafel (Really Chickpea Patties)

The baked Falafel is crunchy on the outside but not like a fried Falafel. (Honesty)

Prep Time: 5 minutes
Cook Time: 20 minutes
Total Time: 25 minutes

Ingredients:

• 1 15-19 oz can chickpeas, drained
• 1 small onion, chopped
• 2 cloves of garlic, chopped
• 1 tablespoons of fresh parsley, chopped
• 2 tablespoons all purpose flour
• 1 teaspoon coriander
• 1 teaspoon cumin
• 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
• salt and pepper
• 2 tablespoons olive oil

Drizzle olive oil evenly in shallow baking dish. Preheat oven to 350.

While oven is preheating, mash chickpeas with mortar and pestle or in food processor. Add onions and garlic and blend.

Add remaining ingredients to make a thick paste-like consistency.

Shape into ping pong size balls and place in preheated baking dish. Bake for 15-20 minutes, turning halfway through cooking.

[sabr*]

manaal;
"Baba Ghanoush" - a creamy broiled eggplant dip with lemon and parsley is lovely with toasted pita bread. I have tried but haven't made it my self. If I do, I'd add some thinly sliced green chillies and red onions to ad some kick to it. Ahhhh................

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

manaal:

Insha Allah I will eat this dish this week. Very appetizing.

[أحمد]

:sl:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Shabir Ally view on Muslims observing a vegan diet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YdSo...eature=related

The speaker gives an interesting view on permissibility of eating meat, balanced with its cruelty level. It is OK to be a vegetarian, as long as the deen isn't dragged into such matters to compare how we can be less cruel by being vegetarians than those who eat meat.

"Benefits of vegetarian diets" is a better way of thinking for anyone going for such a diet, rather than trying to point out cruelties of eating meat. We have to keep in mind that if a diet is cruel or wrong in any manner; Allah knows everything far better than we do, and He doesn't permit cruelty, yet He permits eating meat.

Please try to refrain from bringing deen into this vegetarian matter.

Other than that, keeping the topic on the benefits of vegetables; you have presented some interesting information. Some of it we may agree upon, while some we may not.

As for what is better or worse from an Islamic view; we are given a clear example in the Quran. See 2:57-61.

Diet shouldn't be about competing against the cruelty of eating meats, nor based on the type of attitude as that of Bani Israel. We should be thankful to Allah for what He has given us, rather than trying to persuade each other that a meat diet is animal cruelty. We have to remember at least that eating meat is a Sunah of Rasoolullah :saws1:

:wa:

[أحمد]

:sl:

Nutritional information gives us a rough idea of the benefits of certain foods, as well as providing some understanding to the minimum and maximum amounts of certain nutrients required for a "moderately healthy" diet.

Nutrition Information for Peas:

The following nutrition information is for one serving of peas. That would be about one cup of peas, or 145 grams. This general information is for any variety of raw peas.

Macronutrients:
Water: 114.35 g
Calories: 117
Protein: 7.86 g
Carbohydrates: 20.97 g
Fiber: 7.4 g
Sugars: 8.22 g
Total Fat: 0.58 g
Saturated Fat: 0.103 g
Monounsaturated Fat: 0.0501 g
Polyunsaturated Fat: 0.271 g
Cholesterol: 0 mg

Micronutrients:
Calcium: 36 mg
Iron: 2.13 mg
Magnesium: 48 mg
Phosphorus: 157 mg
Potassium: 354 mg
Sodium: 7 mg
Zinc: 1.80 mg
Vitamin C: 58.0 mg
Thiamin: 0.386 mg
Riboflavin: 0.191 mg
Niacin: 3.030 mg
Pantothenic Acid: 0.151 mg
Vitamin B6: 0.245 mg
Vitamin B12: 0 mcg
Folate: 94 mcg
Vitamin A: 1109 IU
Vitamin E: 0.19 mg
Vitamin K: 36.0 mcg

Phytonutrients:
beta Carotene: 651 mcg
beta Cryptoxanthin: 0 mcg
Lycopene: 0 mcg
Lutein and Zeaxanthin: 3592 mcg

:wa:

[Beardo]

I've been considering vegeterianism, but I probably can't do that until I begin to live on my own. Parents' rules, after all.

though, did you know the average American consumes 20X more meat than an average Japanese person?

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ahmed Waheed:

agreed!

[أحمد]

:sl:

though, did you know the average American consumes 20X more meat than an average Japanese person?

I know the average American consumes too much meat and "junk food", but I haven't researched on the exact figures.

A quarter of the world eats too much, while the other three quarters are left with very little or nothing. Allah teaches us the importance of balance; clearly there's little or no balance in practice here.

:wa:

[Beardo]

^ So true. For example, three square meals is more than enough. Yet, I'm going to go eat ice cream right now because it's super hot. Not necessary. Cold water would suffice. Yet, I choose ice cream.

[Yanal]

I've been considering vegeterianism, but I probably can't do that until I begin to live on my own. Parents' rules, after all.

though, did you know the average American consumes 20X more meat than an average Japanese person?

:sl:

They eat more rice,but good fact.

I am not a vegetarian but I have pondered on about that occasionally.

[manaal]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

manaal:

Insha Allah I will eat this dish this week. Very appetizing.

Find recipe here.

[manaal]

^ So true. For example, three square meals is more than enough. Yet, I'm going to go eat ice cream right now because it's super hot. Not necessary. Cold water would suffice. Yet, I choose ice cream.

Have some pro-biotic yoghurt instead.

[IAmZamzam]

The speaker gives an interesting view on permissibility of eating meat, balanced with its cruelty level. It is OK to be a vegetarian, as long as the deen isn't dragged into such matters to compare how we can be less cruel by being vegetarians than those who eat meat.

Maybe as a general thing it's permissible, but what are you going to do when the pilgrimage rolls around and you have to partake of the beef there?

[IAmZamzam]

If you want to help the starving people of the world, there are charities. You can even help them online at freerice.com. Doesn't cost you a penny--except in terms of the bill for your internet provider, I suppose. And even then there are libraries.

[PouringRain]

I've been considering vegeterianism, but I probably can't do that until I begin to live on my own. Parents' rules, after all.

Will your parents not allow it, or have you tried speaking to them about it? Are they just against vegetarianism in general, or is it because they do not want to have to prepare food differently? Would they be willing to compromise in some way?

My oldest son decided he wanted to be vegetarian, but since he is still very young I told him it was fine provided he keep dairy, eggs, and fish in his diet. (He was 8 when he made this decision. He is 9 now.) (I once knew a girl who was a very strict vegan-- one of those militant types LOL-- and she actually had to start consuming fish once a week by doctors orders, because her internal organs began to shut down..... so I wanted to make sure he eats fish also. Plus the good fats for his developing brain.) I also approved of it for him, because I knew he is one who already eats very well. He loves vegetables. He has been doing very well and making good choices. We do not eat much meat to begin with, but when I do make a dish with chicken (for example) I prepare him a separate dish using fake chicken. It doesn't take any extra effort to put a second pan on the stove or in the oven and add the extra ingredients.

[manaal]

Maybe as a general thing it's permissible, but what are you going to do when the pilgrimage rolls around and you have to partake of the beef there?

I too asked this question earlier in the thread and still waiting for an answer. Sacrifice of cattle is an essential part of hajj pilgrimage if one is performing Hajj Thamaththu. Brother Sabr* if you would care to reply?

[sabr*]

I too asked this question earlier in the thread and still waiting for an answer. Sacrifice of cattle is an essential part of hajj pilgrimage if one is performing Hajj Thamaththu. Brother Sabr* if you would care to reply?

Surah Baqarah 2:196

And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment. (Yusuf Ali translation)

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

manaal:

The sacrifice for Idul Adha can be done on ones behalf when performing Hajj and donated to the needy. The following is a more definitive explanation of the observance. Didn't locate anything that states that a Muslim is obligated to eat sacrificed meat. Only reviewed opinions of those who eat meat pushing the view that if a Muslim chooses not to eat meat is some how making it haram by not eating meat.

Sacrificing during Hajj is essential but not eating the sacrificed meat. That is giving to the poor and needy.

During the performance of Hajj the rite of Ramy al-Jamarat (the Stoning of the Devil) the pilgrims perform animal sacrifices, to symbolize Allah having mercy on Ibrahim (AS) and replacing Isma'il with a ram, which Abraham then sacrificed. Traditionally the pilgrims slaughtered the animal themselves, or oversaw the slaughtering. Today many pilgrims buy a sacrifice voucher in Mecca before the greater Hajj begins, which allows an animal to be slaughtered in their name on the 10th, without the pilgrim being physically present. Centralized butcher houses sacrifice a single sheep for each pilgrim, or a cow can represent the sacrifice of seven people. The meat is then packaged and given to charity and shipped to poor people around the world. At the same time as the sacrifices occur at Mecca, Muslims worldwide perform similar sacrifices, in a four day global festival called Idul Adha.

Idul Adha is celebrated annually on the 10th day of the month of Dhul al Hijjah (ذو الحجة) of the twelfth month of lunar Islamic calender. Idul Adha celebrations start after the Hajj. On the descend from Mount Arafat. The date is approximately 70 days after the end of the month of Ramdan. The l observance of Idul Adha lasts until sunset of the 13th day of Dhu al-Hijjah.

http://www.islam.com/hajj/hajj.htm

A view regarding those not observing Hajj not being obligated to sacrifice.

http://www.---------------/hajj/sacrifice.html

[Muhaba]

don't turn it into religion. If you start wondering what to do about obligatory sacrifices like the ones you have to do during eid-ul-adha, hajj, and on the birth of a child it means you're taking a preference too seriously, like its your religion that you can't act contrary to or you've made meat haraam and making a halal thing haraam isn't allowed in Islam. See Surah Al-Tahrim where the Prophet SAW swore that he wouldn't eat honey and Allah told him to break his swear.

So as long as it's just a preference and you eat meat occasionally, then it shouldn't be a problem. Also, saying slaughtering animals is cruelty to animals means a person is saying he/she is more merciful than Allah who allowed slaughtering animals. So the reason for one's vegetarianism shouldn't be cruelty to animals, etc. imo.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Here we go again with the selective reading. Before posting take the time to review the entire thread. The majority of Muslims I know are not observing a vegan or vegetarian diet by choice but because of the unavailability of Hilal (permissible) meat in the country they reside.

The diet I personality observe can be referred to as peso-vegetarianism which is a diet that includes seafood and excludes other animals. A pescetarian diet typically includes some or all of vegetablies, fruit, nuts, grains, beans, eggs and dairy. Anything Hilal.

The vegetarian philosophy isn't being espoused here. The benefits are being discussed. A practicing Muslim on this thread hasn't demonized the eating of Hilal meat which Allah has permitted and the choice of Muslims who refrain from none Zabiha meat shouldn't be chided for their choice to abstain from eating meat.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

A diet that can lower your lower body mass index (BMI), lower cholesterol, reduced risk of type 2 diabetes, and reduce risk of coronary artery disease.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/slideshow-...FRRqgwodElIJLA

[Strzelecki]

I'm not longer a vegetarian, but was for a few years.
I miss it dearly. :( I still haven't adapted back to meat properly.

[Muhaba]

do vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products like milk and cheese?

[Strzelecki]

Yes.
Vegans don't.

[sabr*]

do vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products like milk and cheese?

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

muhaba:

Vegetarians do not eat meat, fish or poultry, but might eat dairy products such as cheese, eggs, yogurt or milk. Vegetarians are not as predictable in their beliefs, as there are many reasons to become vegetarian that don’t necessarily include altruism as a primary motive. For example, many vegetarians have eliminated meat for the sake of their health. In fact, there are a great many people lumped into the category of vegetarian. Lacto-vegetarians will eat dairy, but not eggs. Ovo-vegetarians will eat eggs, but not dairy. Lacto-ovo vegetarians will eat eggs and dairy products. The reasons for these choices are varied and based on individual beliefs. In some cases they are based on moral choices, and in others on dietary needs or simple preference.
A vegan, on the other hand, is self-committed to upholding a personal standard of living where animals are concerned. The vegan will often go beyond eliminating meat, dairy and animal products, to become an activist for animal rights. Generally, the vegan point of view is that animals are not here to be exploited by man, and that commercialization of animals necessarily involves a fundamental, inhumane component and lack of respect for basic life. Unfortunately, cruel methods are often cheaper methods, and animals raised for meat or dairy products by commercial interests are commonly and routinely kept in abusive conditions and slaughtered inhumanely in the interest of a competitive marketplace.

reference: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...vegetarian.htm

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Muhaba]

Thank you for this informative post, brother Sabr.

[IAmZamzam]

For example, many vegetarians have eliminated meat for the sake of their health.

Like Hitler. Fun little factoid.

[Amoeba]

I don't think I could be a vegetarian. I have an intolerance to many vegetables, particularly green leafy vegetables that leave me in intestinal agony... largely due to gas build-up but also inflammation and irritation. Plus I don't really get much energy out of vegetables because I don't eat very much food full stop, and you need to eat quite a lot of vegetables to get the full benefit out of them. Seeds and beans, those are all much easier and give me much more energy but I still get the bloating and pain from eating them.

The exceptions that I can eat lots of are starch-based grainy foods such as pasta, rice, oats, and (although not a grain) potato. I can eat lots of those without much difficulty. But for some reason or another, other root vegetables besides potato give me trouble.

I can also eat a lot of fruit, but it depends on what fruit I eat. Bananas give me the same problems that most vegetables do, as do dates and figs. Dates can actually be worse than vegetables at times, especially if I have more than one the pain and bloating can start in a matter of minutes. However, seedy fruit such as pomegranates, or citrus fruits are just fine. Olives are also really good. Citrus fruits actually have a counter-active effect on the pain and bloating, so if I do have a banana or something it'll be followed by a lemon or an orange if possible. I also prefer to have citrus right after meat.

My diet is very meat-based because I don't get pain from meat. I eat a lot of chicken, a fair amount of seafood and a teeny tiny bit of red meat such as beef and lamb once every couple of weeks or so. Because I don't eat much it helps if I eat something very compact in energy.

I remember trying to cut down on meat and eat more veggies. Right after ramadan actually... I was doubled over and almost crying a lot. But that wasn't the first time I noticed I couldn't eat much veg.

[Woodrow]

I don't think I could be a vegetarian. I have an intolerance to many vegetables, particularly green leafy vegetables that leave me in intestinal agony... largely due to gas build-up but also inflammation and irritation. Plus I don't really get much energy out of vegetables because I don't eat very much food full stop, and you need to eat quite a lot of vegetables to get the full benefit out of them. Seeds and beans, those are all much easier and give me much more energy but I still get the bloating and pain from eating them.

The exceptions that I can eat lots of are starch-based grainy foods such as pasta, rice, oats, and (although not a grain) potato. I can eat lots of those without much difficulty. But for some reason or another, other root vegetables besides potato give me trouble.

I can also eat a lot of fruit, but it depends on what fruit I eat. Bananas give me the same problems that most vegetables do, as do dates and figs. Dates can actually be worse than vegetables at times, especially if I have more than one the pain and bloating can start in a matter of minutes. However, seedy fruit such as pomegranates, or citrus fruits are just fine. Olives are also really good. Citrus fruits actually have a counter-active effect on the pain and bloating, so if I do have a banana or something it'll be followed by a lemon or an orange if possible. I also prefer to have citrus right after meat.

My diet is very meat-based because I don't get pain from meat. I eat a lot of chicken, a fair amount of seafood and a teeny tiny bit of red meat such as beef and lamb once every couple of weeks or so. Because I don't eat much it helps if I eat something very compact in energy.

I remember trying to cut down on meat and eat more veggies. Right after ramadan actually... I was doubled over and almost crying a lot. But that wasn't the first time I noticed I couldn't eat much veg.

:sl:

I am just curious. Is your family heritage from a far North Country? I have found that the closer to the Equator a people are from, the less meat they eat and the further from the equator the more. People in the extreme north (North of the Arctic circle) became 100% meat eaters with no vegetables in their diet. People from far North climates often can not eat most vegetables.

[sabr*]

Like Hitler. Fun little factoid.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Selective reading and extremism is a choice. The proper thing to do is apply the quote to the referenced article and not the OP. Reading is fundamental. Read every post by OP in thread it may provide clarity on the thread.

reference: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...vegetarian.htm

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Amoeba]

:sl:

I am just curious. Is your family heritage from a far North Country? I have found that the closer to the Equator a people are from, the less meat they eat and the further from the equator the more. People in the extreme north (North of the Arctic circle) became 100% meat eaters with no vegetables in their diet. People from far North climates often can not eat most vegetables.

I do wonder if that has anything to do with it. Most of my family are from the British Isles... but we haven't been able to trace back our family very far, nor very widespread. Most we could find was my great great grandfather's ancestors back to about the 1600s, and they were all mostly Scottish, Irish or North American (non-native N.American most likely). I think there are a few that are also from countries like England or France.

It does make sense that a people of a certain country will be better suited to that climate. In history and even in modern times, Scotland can get harsh winters and short, cool summers that would greatly reduce crop yield and would mean there might be no guarantee of any crop yield at all. Animals like sheep and those big woolly cattle that you get over here would probably have been heavily relied upon not just for their meat but also more sustainable produce like milk (not just for drinking but also cheese making, with cheese being a great food for times of famine), as well as tubers like potatoes. The luxury of having a large variety of affordable fruits and vegetables at our disposal for the less wealthy in this country is a very recent blessing.

It is rather interesting how we are all slightly different even in terms of physiological features between races. It might have been an exaggeration for me to say I could never become vegetarian, I probably could if it were necessary but it wouldn't be healthy for me I don't think. But it is an interesting point you raise as to whether some people can really handle vegetables better than others, depending on what kind of climate and food availability their ancestors were suited to.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

The choices that one makes which are not haram shouldn't evoke negative attitudes because it doesn't agree with someones cultural upbringing and tastes.

[أحمد]

:sl:

I do wonder if that has anything to do with it. Most of my family are from the British Isles... but we haven't been able to trace back our family very far, nor very widespread. Most we could find was my great great grandfather's ancestors back to about the 1600s, and they were all mostly Scottish, Irish or North American (non-native N.American most likely). I think there are a few that are also from countries like England or France.

It does make sense that a people of a certain country will be better suited to that climate. In history and even in modern times, Scotland can get harsh winters and short, cool summers that would greatly reduce crop yield and would mean there might be no guarantee of any crop yield at all. Animals like sheep and those big woolly cattle that you get over here would probably have been heavily relied upon not just for their meat but also more sustainable produce like milk (not just for drinking but also cheese making, with cheese being a great food for times of famine), as well as tubers like potatoes. The luxury of having a large variety of affordable fruits and vegetables at our disposal for the less wealthy in this country is a very recent blessing.

It is rather interesting how we are all slightly different even in terms of physiological features between races. It might have been an exaggeration for me to say I could never become vegetarian, I probably could if it were necessary but it wouldn't be healthy for me I don't think. But it is an interesting point you raise as to whether some people can really handle vegetables better than others, depending on what kind of climate and food availability their ancestors were suited to.

A vegetarian diet may not be healthy for you, for the obvious reasons explained in your post.

For some, a vegetarian diet is healthier, while for others its not. There is a fine balance in everything.

Maybe a doctor can elaborate further on this, :inshallah

:wa:

[IAmZamzam]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Selective reading and extremism is a choice. The proper thing to do is apply the quote to the referenced article and not the OP. Reading is fundamental. Read every post by OP in thread it may provide clarity on the thread.

reference: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...vegetarian.htm

Jazakumullahu Khair

Don't read anything into what I said. It was just a bit of trivia. Here's another, by the way: Hitler had the clap.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi Yahya Sulaiman:

is everything alright over there? Do you have anything on topic to contribute to this thread? Any questions? A point of view on the benefits of the vegan dietary fare? Anything?

[IAmZamzam]

is everything alright over there?

I'm gettin' by, in my own way. Kind of can't wait for the month to be over.

Do you have anything on topic to contribute to this thread?

Anything to say? Let's see...I tried vegetarianism once myself. Couldn't make it work for me. I understand that many if not most people can't. The human body is made for an omnivorous diet, so only some of us can manage to go against this mould and still keep healthy and strong. I felt weak all the time. Hard to get truly feasible protein into your muscle mass without any of it coming from meat. No bother. I'm past that now. As I think I've said, I now see no reason why it should be wrong to eat animals but not plants, which are equally alive. To each his own.

Any questions?

Lots. None that have to do with this topic.

A point of view on the benefits of the vegan dietary fare? Anything?

I don't know enough about that particular fare to comment on it.

[sabr*]

I'm gettin' by, in my own way. Kind of can't wait for the month to be over.

Anything to say? Let's see...I tried vegetarianism once myself. Couldn't make it work for me. I understand that many if not most people can't. The human body is made for an omnivorous diet, so only some of us can manage to go against this mould and still keep healthy and strong. I felt weak all the time. Hard to get truly feasible protein into your muscle mass without any of it coming from meat. No bother. I'm past that now. As I think I've said, I now see no reason why it should be wrong to eat animals but not plants, which are equally alive. To each his own.

Lots. None that have to do with this topic.

I don't know enough about that particular fare to comment on it.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


Akhi Yahya Sulaiman:

it is evident when our brothers or sisters are hurting it is revealed in their posts. Dhikr is the cure!

Surah Baqarah 2:152

152. Therefore remember Me (by praying, glorifying, etc.). I will remember you, and be grateful to Me (for My countless Favours on you) and never be ungrateful to Me.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah Al-A'raf 7:55-56

55. Invoke your Lord with humility and in secret. He likes not the aggressors.

56. And do not do mischief on the earth, after it has been set in order, and invoke Him with fear and hope; Surely, Allah's Mercy is (ever) near unto the good-doers.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah Ar-Ra'd 13:28

28. Those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism), and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah, Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah Ghafir 40:60

60. And your Lord said: "Invoke Me, [i.e. believe in My Oneness (Islamic Monotheism)] (and ask Me for anything) I will respond to your (invocation). Verily! Those who scorn My worship [i.e. do not invoke Me, and do not believe in My Oneness, (Islamic Monotheism)] they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!"
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah Al Imran 3:159

159. And by the Mercy of Allah, you dealt with them gently. And had you been severe and harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about you; so pass over (their faults), and ask (Allah's) Forgiveness for them; and consult them in the affairs. Then when you have taken a decision, put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah Yunus 10:57

57. O mankind! There has come to you a good advice from your Lord (i.e. the Qur'an, ordering all that is good and forbidding all that is evil), and a healing for that (disease of ignorance, doubt, hypocrisy and differences, etc.) in your breasts, - a guidance and a mercy (explaining lawful and unlawful things, etc.) for the believers.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9,Book 93, Number 652

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "(There are) two words which are dear to the Beneficent (Allah) and very light (easy) for the tongue (to say), but very heavy in weight in the balance. They are: 'Subhan Allah wa-bi hamdihi' and 'Subhan Allah Al-'Azim." (See Hadith No. 673, Vol. 8).

Jazakumullahu Khair

[أحمد]

:sl:

The human body is made for an omnivorous diet, so only some of us can manage to go against this mould and still keep healthy and strong.

This is why its good to keep a balance; eating both, vegetarian and non-vegetarian foods.

:wa:

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Does anyone know if a colon cleanse is required for those who don't eat meat?

Should a colon cleanse be performed for everyone to remove toxins from the body?

http://www.webmd.com/balance/natural...s-it-necessary

[أحمد]

:sl:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Does anyone know if a colon cleanse is required for those who don't eat meat?

Should a colon cleanse be performed for everyone to remove toxins from the body?

http://www.webmd.com/balance/natural...s-it-necessary

No; its neither required for omnivores, nor vegans. Some people fast for a number of days during the year, which helps to detoxify and clean out junk from the colon, as well as detox in the liver. Anyone educated in biosciences may give a better explanation :inshallah

As for colon cleansing using powders; those from India or Pakistan maybe familiar with the well known kachoor (white turmeric). Turmeric's an indian favourite in cooking and medicinal herbalism, which is "quite good" for the human digestive system. As long as too much isn't taken, there's not much risk of harm.

:wa:

[sabr*]

:sl:



No; its neither required for omnivores, nor vegans. Some people fast for a number of days during the year, which helps to detoxify and clean out junk from the colon, as well as detox in the liver. Anyone educated in biosciences may give a better explanation :inshallah

As for colon cleansing using powders; those from India or Pakistan maybe familiar with the well known kachoor (white turmeric). Turmeric's an indian favourite in cooking and medicinal herbalism, which is "quite good" for the human digestive system. As long as too much isn't taken, there's not much risk of harm.

:wa:

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


أحمد :


Jazakumullahu Khair

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


Threads that have already been created shouldn't be dupulicated. Especially when the topic has already been addressed and exhausted.
http://www.islamicboard.com/faq.php?..._liforum_rules

Jazakumullahu Khair

Attachment 4193

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

An independent view of the benefits and nutrient deficiencies of both meat and non-meat diets.

The contribution of vegetarian diets to health and disease: a paradigm shift?

Joan Sabaté

1 From the Department of Nutrition, School of Public Health, Loma Linda University, Loma Linda, CA.

Advances in nutrition research during the past few decades have changed scientists’ understanding of the contribution of vegetarian diets to human health and disease. Diets largely based on plant foods, such as well-balanced vegetarian diets, could best prevent nutrient deficiencies as well as diet-related chronic diseases. However, restrictive or unbalanced vegetarian diets may lead to nutritional deficiencies, particularly in situations of high metabolic demand. If some vegetarian diets are healthier than diets largely based on animal products, this constitutes an important departure from previous views on dietary recommendations to prevent disease conditions. Based on different paradigms, 3 models are presented depicting the population health risks and benefits of vegetarian and meat-based diets. This series of models encapsulates the evolution of scientific understanding on the overall effects of these dietary patterns on human health. Recent scientific advances seem to have resulted in a paradigm shift: diets largely based on plant foods, such as well-balanced vegetarian diets, are viewed more as improving health than as causing disease, in contrast with meat-based diets.

Complete text:

http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/3/502S.full

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Woodrow]

One problem I see arising in many industrialized nations is the raising of food has taken a back seat and meat production has become run as a factory and is no longer a farm raised product. The result is meat loaded down with antibiotics, hormones and many other products. The result is a large increase of meat that is not only haram, it is not fit for dog food. This is bringing about an increase in vegetarianism not only among Muslims but among non-Muslims also. Look at the neat packages of meat in the supermarket and then look at the road it came down, to be that neat clean looking package and you will find out it is often not fit to eat.

[sabr*]

One problem I see arising in many industrialized nations is the raising of food has taken a back seat and meat production has become run as a factory and is no longer a farm raised product. The result is meat loaded down with antibiotics, hormones and many other products. The result is a large increase of meat that is not only haram, it is not fit for dog food. This is bringing about an increase in vegetarianism not only among Muslims but among non-Muslims also. Look at the neat packages of meat in the supermarket and then look at the road it came down, to be that neat clean looking package and you will find out it is often not fit to eat.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

We agree ammu Woodrow:

[Ramadhan]

One problem I see arising in many industrialized nations is the raising of food has taken a back seat and meat production has become run as a factory and is no longer a farm raised product. The result is meat loaded down with antibiotics, hormones and many other products. The result is a large increase of meat that is not only haram, it is not fit for dog food. This is bringing about an increase in vegetarianism not only among Muslims but among non-Muslims also. Look at the neat packages of meat in the supermarket and then look at the road it came down, to be that neat clean looking package and you will find out it is often not fit to eat.

I agree.
This is just yet another proof that Islam is the straight true path.
As only the creator of the universe that have knowledge what is good for us and what is bad for us.

through prophet Muhammad SAW, Allah taught us what is allowed to eat and what is not allowed.
For example, cattle fed with meat is definitely haram.
Now in modern days, we know how true it is.
Just have a look at mad cow disease, how it was caused by cows fed with their own brethren carcasses.

There is always wisdom in islamic injunctions, some we know of, many we still don't know.

contrast that to any other religion where "be merry, be joyful, enjoy everything and anything as your sins have been erased" and see the results in a society that practice that mantra.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3, Number 58:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Amongst the trees, there is a tree, the leaves of which do not fall and is like a Muslim. Tell me the name of that tree." Everybody started thinking about the trees of the desert areas. And I thought of the date-palm tree but felt shy to answer the others then asked, "What is that tree, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "It is the date-palm tree."

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Where Adam (آدم) and Hawa ( عليهم السلام) (Peace be upon them) vegetarians?

[Xena]

Salam!
I am a vegetarian! I have been one for almost 10 years now. Do I miss meat? Well I cant even remember the proper taste! Lolz! It is hard sometimes... especially since my family is like hardcore southerners and eat a bunch of bbq and stuff! And I really don't eat healthily :c I am not fat or anything.. probably under nutrition if anything, but I don't really get to eat different foods and I become "discouraged" from eating if there is nothing for me to eat! Like I went to Georgia this summer and lost like 5lbs cause there was only pork and beef there xD. But there are awesome vegetarian dishes... my fave is falafels! Oh my dear! How these are sooooo good!
Xena :]

[sabr*]

Salam!
I am a vegetarian! I have been one for almost 10 years now. Do I miss meat? Well I cant even remember the proper taste! Lolz! It is hard sometimes... especially since my family is like hardcore southerners and eat a bunch of bbq and stuff! And I really don't eat healthily :c I am not fat or anything.. probably under nutrition if anything, but I don't really get to eat different foods and I become "discouraged" from eating if there is nothing for me to eat! Like I went to Georgia this summer and lost like 5lbs cause there was only pork and beef there xD. But there are awesome vegetarian dishes... my fave is falafels! Oh my dear! How these are sooooo good!
Xena :]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


Ukhti Xena:


If you pay for your own food there is no limitations on what you can eat. Name a cuisine and there is a non meat substitute that is tasty. I couldn't even be in the company of the smell of pork. Makes my stomach ache.

Italian, Chinese, American and Especially Middle Eastern.


This is what you could have eaten when exposed to the smell of the barbecue:


Vegetarian Black Bean Burgers with Cornmeal on the barbecue.



Recipe:

• ingredient 2 15 ounce cans black beans, rinsed and drained
• 1/2 cup whole wheat or all-purpose flour
• 1/4 cup yellow cornmeal
• 1/2 cup salsa
• 2 tsp ground cumin
• 1 tsp garlic salt
• hamburger buns

Preparation:

Place beans in food processor; process until fairly smooth. Add flour, cornmeal, salsa, cumin and garlic salt. Process until well combined.


Spoon mixture into 6 balls on a large plate and refrigerate at least 1 hour or up to 4 hours before cooking.

Heat barbecue grill or ridged grill pan over medium heat. Coat grill or pan lightly with oil. Form each ball into a 4-inch patty about 1/2-inch thick. Place the patties on the grill or in pan and cook until browned and heated through, 4 to 5 minutes per side.

http://vegetarian.about.com/od/cooki.../qt/vegbbq.htm

[Aprender]

I'm a vegetarian now. I did it for years while I was in high school and recently I had to do it again.

My doctors weren't sure what happened but whatever they're doing with meat these days wasn't working too well with me. I was very ill for months and my doctors didn't know what was causing it exactly. The only thing was the meat that I was eating. Once I took meat out of my diet, I was healthy again.

So far I enjoy it! :) I feel much better.

[sabr*]

I'm a vegetarian now. I did it for years while I was in high school and recently I had to do it again.

My doctors weren't sure what happened but whatever they're doing with meat these days wasn't working too well with me. I was very ill for months and my doctors didn't know what was causing it exactly. The only thing was the meat that I was eating. Once I took meat out of my diet, I was healthy again.

So far I enjoy it! :) I feel much better.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Aprender:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 582:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "There is no disease that Allah has created, except that He also has created its treatment."

Attribute everything that is good to Allah! Alhamdulillah!

[Aprender]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Aprender:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 582:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "There is no disease that Allah has created, except that He also has created its treatment."

Attribute everything that is good to Allah! Alhamdulillah!

Thank you Sabr*

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

The following are various vitamin and nutrient deficiencies suffered by those who observe a strict Vegetarian Diet:

• Protein
• Minerals (including iron, calcium and zinc)
• Vitamin B12
• Vitamin D.

We are considered Pescetarian because fish is Hilal and apart of our diet.

A list of our daily vitamins and supplements:

Multi-Vitamin
Vitamin D 400
Vitamin C 1000
Vitamin E 400
Niacin 500 (Without an aspirin or the flush free version you will feel like you are burning in head and arms) I know crazy.
The Niacin naturally lowers cholesterol levels

Amino Acids
Prostate Supplement
Kidney and Bladder Supplement
Plenty of water (The Distilled tastes horrible, so spring water)

List yours and do you feel any positive effects?

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

The following describes the types of Vegetarians:

There are three main types of vegetarianism. These are:

• Lacto-ovo vegetarians – people who avoid meat and seafood, but include dairy foods (such as milk and eggs) and plant foods.
• Lacto-vegetarians – people who avoid meat, seafood and eggs but include dairy foods and plant foods.
• Vegans – people who consume only plant foods.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/b...etarian_eating

[Faatin]

It took me like a whole minute to realize that lil ant wasn't real :?

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

The following are various vitamin and nutrient deficiencies suffered by those who observe a strict Vegetarian Diet:

• Protein
• Minerals (including iron, calcium and zinc)
• Vitamin B12
• Vitamin D.

We are considered Pescetarian because fish is Hilal and apart of our diet.

A list of our daily vitamins and supplements:

Multi-Vitamin
Vitamin D 400
Vitamin C 1000
Vitamin E 400
Niacin 500 (Without an aspirin or the flush free version you will feel like you are burning in head and arms) I know crazy.
The Niacin naturally lowers cholesterol levels

Amino Acids
Prostate Supplement
Kidney and Bladder Supplement
Plenty of water (The Distilled tastes horrible, so spring water)

List yours and do you feel any positive effects?

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Hormones in U.S. Beef Linked to Cancer Risk


http://www.naturalnews.com/028438_beef_hormones.html

[Woodrow]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Hormones in U.S. Beef Linked to Cancer Risk


http://www.naturalnews.com/028438_beef_hormones.html

The meat production in the USA and many other "modern" countries is very scary. Even if the meat is slaughtered in a zabiah manner, we can not be certain the animal was raised in a Halal manner.

An advantage of being vegetarian in some countries, is you know your food is halal.

[Sunnie Ameena]

I think I am going to eat just fish and seafood and vegetables and leave poultry and beef alone.

[sabr*]

I think I am going to eat just fish and seafood and vegetables and leave poultry and beef alone.

Sister Sunnie:

review all the pros and cons to adopting any change in diet. Review our entire thread for the information. The nutritional deficiencies of vegetarians.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/151943...-today_health/

We attempt to provide all views not just the ones we adopt. Research! Research! Research!

[seeker1287]

I have been a vegetarian for the past 23 years. Gave it up early and never looked back. I gave it up simply because it "felt right" and I prefer eating veg - no moral or health-conscious reasons. Since then, I have only felt more and more comfortable with the diet and it just seems natural to me. I do sometimes drink milk, eat yoghurt and cheese as I feel that it would be too card to get some forms of protein and calcium, etc. without dairy products.

[al yunan]

Assalamu Alaikum to all,
After more than one hour reading through this thread all that I've figured out is that brother Sabr must be Greek, due to those vegetable recipes.
The truth is, to find Halal anything to eat is a challenge.
Should you think, but what could be wrong or not Halal with a few veggies ?
Poisons used in agriculture and food processing, but I don't want to start a new Was Was run.
To me the best one can do is to rely on their "Bismillah" before eating as to what we eat Allahu Alam.
May Allah S.W.T protects from the evils of this world.
Masalam

[sabr*]

Assalamu Alaikum to all,

After more than one hour reading through this thread all that I've figured out is that brother Sabr must be Greek,
due to those vegetable recipes.

The truth is, to find Halal anything to eat is a challenge.

Should you think, but what could be wrong or not Halal with a few veggies ?

Poisons used in agriculture and food processing, but I don't want to start a new Was Was run.

To me the best one can do is to rely on their "Bismillah" before eating as to what we eat Allahu Alam.
May Allah S.W.T protects from the evils of this world.
Masalam

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

al yunan:

we have never read any of your posts until you posted in this thread. Unaware you are Greek. We enjoy middle eastern dietary fare. The history of the Moors provides how many recipes were received in Greece, etc.

If you read the entire thread you would have realize we follow the commands of Allah in his last revelation and
the Sunna of Nabi Muhammad ibn Abdullah (

) from over 1432 years ago who was given the revelation to mankind.


PS: Pronouncing Bismillah over haram, non halal, and Non-Zabiha doesn't make the meat halal (lawful,permissible)

Zabiha


The process of slaughtering a halal animal according to the Islamic method. The following should be observed:

• The name of God (Allah) is to be pronounced as a reminder that we do not have the right to take the animal’s life except by the permission of God to meet our need for food.
• A sharp blade and skill in slaughtering is required to minimize pain and unnecessary suffering for the animal. This is accomplished by a quick cut to sever the veins and arteries of the neck of the animal, without cutting the nervous system or spinal cord. The massive bleeding makes the animal unconscious in seconds. Leaving the spinal cord intact allowing for convulsions that result from the contraction of the muscles in response to the lack of oxygen in the brain cells. This will allow for the maximum drainage of blood, carrying away in part the waste and micro-organisms, thereby improving the meat's taste, shelf-life and healthiness.

[al yunan]

Walaikum Salam adelfe Sabr,
If you noted my name Al Yunan (Arabic for the Greek) or seen some of my posts you would know that I'm A MUSLIM GREEK so I think you maybe jumped the gun. So Inshallah I'll forget the rest.
Masalam
Noureddin bin Butrus Al Yunan

[al yunan]

PS: Pronouncing Bismillah over haram, non halal, and Non-Zabiha doesn't make the meat halal (lawful,permissible)

Walaikum Salam Sabr,
I don't believe I mentioned that reciting "Bismillah" would make the food whatever it was Halal. (in this case vegetables)
My reference was to Tawakal Allah S.W.T as we dont realy know what we eat in relation to Healthy or wholesome, again in reference to the chemicals Poisons I mentioned.
English is not my first or second language but I don't think it's that bad that I could be so grossly misunderstood.
Also what does that "We" mean when you refer to following the comands of Allah S.W.T........... ?
Masalam

PS: Very Greek of you by the way to change your post.

[sabr*]

I have been a vegetarian for the past 23 years. Gave it up early and never looked back. I gave it up simply because it "felt right" and I prefer eating veg - no moral or health-conscious reasons. Since then, I have only felt more and more comfortable with the diet and it just seems natural to me. I do sometimes drink milk, eat yoghurt and cheese as I feel that it would be too card to get some forms of protein and calcium, etc. without dairy products.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi seeker1287:

how do you get your protein? Do you eat a heavy dose of:

Tempeh — 1 cup — 41 g
Lentils — I cup — 18 g
Chickpeas — I cup — 12 g
Tofu — 4 oz — 9 g
Peanut butter — 2 tbsp — 8 g
Soymilk — I cup — 7 g
Brown rice — 1 cup — 5 g
Whole wheat bread — 2 slices — 5 g
Broccoli, cooked —

Jazakumullahu Khair

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):


Did you know that Kellogg's corn flakes was originally developed in 1894 by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg,
the superintendent of the Battle Creek Sanitarium, as a way to promote the benefits of a vegetarian diet.

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home...popularity-247

[al yunan]

Walaikum Assalam brother Sabr,

I too have been Sabr waiting for your reply !

Masalam

[sabr*]

Walaikum Assalam brother Sabr,

I too have been Sabr waiting for your reply !

Masalam

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

al yunan:

you clarified your position so it was no need to respond. If you desire to contribute something positive to the
thread we invite it and thank you in advance. If you are attempting to engage us in a debate you haven't
read this entire thread.

Your time is too valuable to waste. We know you can find something edifying within the forum.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

A practicing Muslim can not embrace the Vegan philosophy. The Vegan philosophy is primarily about dietary habits but Vegans embrace philosophies that are opposed
to the fundamental principals of Islam. The proper slaughtering of animals are a right
permitted by Allah. If a Muslim chooses to eat it or not meat is his right but he is unable
to say it is wrong to properly slaughter an animal outlined by Allah in the Quran and eat it by other Muslims.
_____________________________________________

The Official definition of a Vegan and philosophy which is opposed to Islam:

"Vegetarians do not eat meat, fish, and poultry. Vegans are vegetarians who abstain from eating or using all animal products, including milk, cheese, other dairy items, eggs, wool, silk, and leather. Among the many reasons for being a vegetarian are health, ecological, and religious concerns, dislike of meat, compassion for animals, belief in non-violence, and economics."

"Veganism, or strict vegetarianism, is the conscious choice to refrain from eating or otherwise using any animals or animal-derived products. There are as many reasons to be vegan as there are vegans, but generally one chooses a vegan lifestyle for either health reasons or compassion for animals, or both."

"If you want to prevent violence toward animals, the single most effective action you can take is to go vegan. A vegan, or "strict vegetarian," is someone who avoids purchasing or consuming animal products or products tested on animals."

(This philosophy is in opposition of Islam) Allah has made fish lawful without slaughtering)

Allah has made lawful everything in the sea: (Except eel, some also include crab because
it is a scavenger and crawls on land)

Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 5:96

أُحِلَّ لَكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَحْرِ وَطَعَامُهُ مَتَاعًا لَّكُمْ وَلِلسَّيَّارَةِ وَحُرِّمَ عَلَيْكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَرِّ مَا دُمْتُمْ حُرُمًا وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ الَّذِيَ إِلَيْهِ تُحْشَرُونَ (5:96)

Ohilla lakum saydu albahri wataAAamuhu mataAAan lakum walilssayyarati wahurrima AAalaykum saydu albarri ma dumtum huruman waittaqoo Allaha allathee ilayhi tuhsharoona

5:96 (Y. Ali) Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food,- for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel; but forbidden is the pursuit of land-game;- as long as ye are in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. And fear Allah, to Whom ye shall be gathered back.
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Al-An'am (The Cattle) 6:121

وَلاَ تَأْكُلُواْ مِمَّا لَمْ يُذْكَرِ اسْمُ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَإِنَّهُ لَفِسْقٌ وَإِنَّ الشَّيَاطِينَ لَيُوحُونَ إِلَى أَوْلِيَآئِهِمْ لِيُجَادِلُوكُمْ وَإِنْ أَطَعْتُمُوهُمْ إِنَّكُمْ لَمُشْرِكُونَ (6:121)

Wala takuloo mimma lam yuthkari ismu Allahi AAalayhi wainnahu lafisqun wainna alshshayateena layoohoona ila awliyaihim liyujadilookum wain ataAAtumoohum innakum lamushrikoona

6:121 (Y. Ali) Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. But the evil ones ever inspire their friends to contend with you if ye were to obey them, ye would indeed be Pagans.

Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) 5:3

حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالْدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَا أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالأَزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِي مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لِّإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ (5:3)

Hurrimat AAalaykumu almaytatu waalddamu walahmu alkhinzeeri wama ohilla lighayri Allahi bihi waalmunkhaniqatu waalmawqoothatu waalmutaraddiyatu waalnnateehatu wama akala alssabuAAu illa ma thakkaytum wama thubiha AAala alnnusubi waan tastaqsimoo bialazlami thalikum fisqun alyawma yaisa allatheena kafaroo min deenikum fala takhshawhum waikhshawni alyawma akmaltu lakum deenakum waatmamtu AAalaykum niAAmatee waradeetu lakumu alislama deenan famani idturra fee makhmasatin ghayra mutajanifin liithmin fainna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun

5:3 (Y. Ali) Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

(Ḏabīḥah (ذَبِيْحَة) is the prescribed method of slaughtering all animals excluding fish and most sea-life per Islamic law. This method of slaughtering animals consists of using a well sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, wind pipe and jugular veins but leaves the spinal cord intact.)

The primary reason that practicing Muslims that posted on this thread and stated the reason for not
eating meat was because of the lack of access to halal Ḏabīḥah meat.

[Pure Purple]

I know it is not compulsory for a muslim to eat non veg ,we wont get essential protein which only found in non veg.It is sunnah , but what should I do I don't like non veg I tried many times I hardly eat it that to in a very small quantity and only chicken. imsad

[sabr*]

I know it is not compulsory for a muslim to eat non veg ,we wont get essential protein which only found in non veg.It is sunnah , but what should I do I don't like non veg I tried many times I hardly eat it that to in a very small quantity and only chicken. imsad

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhti Rahila:

It isn't compulsory for a Muslim to eat meat. If you decide you don't desire to eat meat the verbal
persuasion shouldn't force your dietary habits. You worship Allah and not the tribal and cultural enforcement.

Now a practicing Muslim can't embrace the vegan philosophy which is opposed to what Allah has made lawful which is the slaughtering of meat for consumption.

You are able to replace the proteins not received via meat with beans, etc.

Read the entire thread for the Dalil (Evidence) regarding the times a practicing Muslim who doesn't consume meat needs to observe slaughtering Meat during the Id's (Festivals). Slaughtering meat for the purpose of providing it to theneedy is the objective. Nabi Muhammad (

) didn't consume certain foods but didn't say anything negative regarding it.

The Dalil (Evidence) is within the thread based on Sahih.

[Starrynight]

I've been a vegetarian since I was a kid. As long as you get protein (eggs, peanut butter, nuts, etc. all have this) and take vitamins then you will be fine. The "bad" side effects only come when people don't have a balanced vegetarian diet. I'd advise reading up on it before becoming a vegetarian to anyone who is interested. For me, the moral rewards make the small pains of being a vegetarian so worth it.

[DippedinJannah]

Now a practicing Muslim can't embrace the vegan philosophy which is opposed to what Allah has made lawful which is the slaughtering of meat for consumption.

Brother sabr, I am not sure I understand you.

I think a Muslim could certainly be vegan personally. Even sacrifice on the Hajj is optional.

But if you mean, could a Muslim say "all mankind should be vegan/vegetarian" then I would agree with that. He or she could certainly adopt it personally.

[DippedinJannah]

I eat more vegetarian food now because I often go out to eat in normal American restaurants. It's part of my job - we frequently have lunch meetings, breakfast meetings, etc. Because there is no way to know if the meat is halal (and 99.9% of the time it would not be), I usually order the vegetarian offering.

[sabr*]

Brother sabr, I am not sure I understand you.

I think a Muslim could certainly be vegan personally. Even sacrifice on the Hajj is optional.

But if you mean, could a Muslim say "all mankind should be vegan/vegetarian" then I would agree with that. He or she could certainly adopt it personally.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi DippedinJannah:

A practicing Muslim can refrain from eating anything he doesn't want to consume. But a practicing Muslim is unable to
declare they adopt the vegan philosophy. (Which is killing an animal for human consumption is abominable)

We are considered Pescitarians (fish, vegetables, nuts dairy which is halal and doesn't require slaughtering).

Many practicing Muslims who don't have access to Dhabiha (method of slaughter) and are unsure if the meat
is Halal they adopt eating food that doesn't require slaughtering.

The question of the thread is Are you a Vegetarian? Are there benefits? We are not promoting a vegan diet but
a Halal diet. Insha Allah

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

During the time of Nabi Muhammad (

) meat was a delicacy. The early Muslims were poor and if you
review the sira (history of Nabi Muhammad

) meat was eaten and slaughtered on special occasions
and Id.


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Aniseed (anisun)--Among its many properties, the seed of anise soothes internal pains,
increases menstrual flow, promotes secretion of milk and semen, and dissolves intestinal gas.
It may be applied in tea form to the eyes to strengthen eyesight. In nature, snakes coming out of
winter hibernation seek out the anise plant and rub their eyes against it, because their vision becomes
weak over winter.


Apple (tuffah)--Sour apples are more cooling than sweet ones. It is claimed that apples
strengthen the heart.


Asparagus (hiyawn)--Hot and moist, asparagus opens obstructions of the kidneys and
eases childbirth. It is said that asparagus will kill dogs that eat it.


Banana (mawz)--Hot in the first degree, banana has little use as a food, except for people
with a very cold intemperament, who should eat it with honey.

Barley (sha’ir)--Barley ranks below only wheat as a desirable food. It is the first recommendation
for hot intemperament diseases. Barley is soaked in water, which is drunk for coughs and sore throats.
The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) always gave a soup made from barley to anyone suffering from the pain of fever. '


Basil, Sweet (rayhan)--Smelling basil stren gthens the heart. Sleep is promoted by rubbing the
head with basil and water.


Bread (khubz)--The best bread is made of the finest whole grain flours and is baked in a circular stone oven.
Bread should be allowed to cool somewhat before being eaten, or it will make one excessively thirsty.
Stale bread clogs the bowels. Bread containing substantial bran is digested quickly, but is very nourishing.
The softer the bread, the easier the digestion and the greater the nourishment. Bread crumbs produce gas.
Breads made from barley and pea flours are slow to be digested and must have salt added to them.
Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.): "Do not cut bread with a knife, but give it due honor by breaking it with the hands,
for Allah has honored it."


Butter (zubdah)--Butter is mildly hot and moist. Useful to alleviate constipation, butter
is also mixed with honey and dates to make a food that removes the food cravings of pregnant women.


Cauliflower (qunnabit)--This vegetable is hard to digest, and it is said to harm the vision.


Chamomile (babunaj)--Hot in the first degree, chamomile is mild. Its main use is to promote
urination and menstrual flow.


Carrot (jazar)--Sexual urges arise from eating carrot, which is hot in the second degree.
It also is used to increase menstrual flow and urination.


Coconut (narjil darja'i)---The best type is very white, which is hot and moist.
The nature of coconut is that it increases sexual powers and relieves pain in the back.


Coffee Bean (qahwah)--Coffee is a corrective for dysentery, relieves thirst, and is said to
produce wisdom. It should be used sparingly.


Coriander Seed (habb al-suda)--The most respected books of traditions state
that the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) said, "Make yours the seeds of coriander, for it is a cure of
all diseases except swelling [cancer], and that is a fatal disease." It is also reported that
Allah informed the Prophet, "She has been given every-thing." And then Allah revealed
that "she" is coriander. Coriander alleviates flatulence and resolves fevers. It is effective
in the treatment of leukoderma, and it opens the subtlest networks of the veins.
Excess moisture in the body is dried up by coriander, and it increases milk flow, urine, and menses.
It is particularly useful when a person has a cold. The oil of coriander is a treatment for baldness
and scalp problems, and prevents gray hair. The smoke of the burning seeds is an insect repellent.


Chicken (dajaj)--Light on the stomach and easy to digest, chicken is the best of fowl meats.
It corrects and balances all the essences, is a food that is good for the brain, and improves the complexion.
However, overconsumption of chicken leads to gout. The best chicken is a hen that has never laid an egg.


Cinnamon (darchini)--Cinnamon is hot in the third degree. Its volatile oil is a great medicine for indigestion.
It forms an ingredient in spice blends used as the basis of cooking in almost three-fourths of the world.


Citron (utrujj)--The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) is reported to have said, "The citron is like a true believer: good to taste
and good to smell." Citron strengthens the heart, dispels sadness, removes freckles, satisfies hunger, and slows
the flow of bile. The wife of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) used to treat blind persons with citron dipped in honey.
Citron is best taken about ten minutes after the conclusion of meals.


Cucumber (qitta')--Ripe cucumbers dispel heat and are diuretic.
Eating dates with green cucumber is said to cause weight gain.


Cumin (kammun)--Cumin is very hot. It is reported to be the only spice or
herb that travels through the stomach unaffected by digestion, until it reaches the liver.
Cumin soaked in water, which is then drunk, is excellent for colic.


Dates, Dried (tamr)--The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) is reported to have said,
"A house without dates has no food." Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) used to plant date trees himself.
Dates should be eaten with almonds to annul any adverse effects. Fresh dates were the food eaten by
Mary (r.a.), at the time of her delivery of the infant Jesus (a.s.). Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.),
"He who finds a date, let him break his fast on that. If he finds no date, let him break it on water.
For verily that is purity."


Eggplant (badhinjan)--The dark variety of eggplant causes production of bile.
Small amounts of it help piles. Eggplant's tendency to produce bile is corrected by eating it with meat dishes.


Eggs (baydah)--The best eggs are those of chickens, eaten soft, not hard-boiled.
Egg white relieves pain of sunburn, aids healing of burns, and prevents scarring.
Eggs are aphrodisiac.


Endive (hindiba')--The effects of endive change according to the season.
Endive at the earliest time is best, and at the end of the growing season, virtually useless.
The Hadith states: "Eat endives and do not belch, for verily there is not one day that drops
of the water of Paradise do not fall upon them [endives]."


Fenugreek (hulbah)--It is reported the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) once said:
"If my people knew what there is in fenugreek, they would have bought and paid its weight in gold.
" Fenugreek is hot and dry. As a tea it aids menstrual flow and is useful in colic and as a cleansing enema.
Fenugreek strengthens the heart.


Fig (tin)--Fresh figs are preferred to dried. Although quite nourishing, they are very hot.
The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) is reported to have said, "If you say that any fruit has come from Paradise,
then you must mention the fig, for indeed it is the fruit of Paradise. So eat of it, for it is a cure for piles
and helps gout."


Fish (samak)--Fresh-water fish are best, and those which feed on plant life, not mud and effluvia.
Uncooked fish is hard to digest and produces imbalance of phlegm.


Garlic (thawm)--Garlic is hot in the third degree. It is used to dispel gas,
promote menses, and expel afterbirth. It is excellent to correct cold intemperament, for dissolving phlegm,
and the oil is used to treat insect bites. The eating of raw garlic and then visiting the mosque has been forbidden
by the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.).


Ghee (clarified butter) (samn)--Ghee is the most fatty of all condiments.
It is to be considered a medicinal additive to foods. Mixed with honey, ghee is said to be
an antidote to poisons.


Ginger (zanjabil)--Ginger is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an (76:17).
It is hot in the third degree, and is best for softening phlegm. It also aids digestion
and strengthens sexual activity.


Henna (hinna)--One Hadith reports that nothing is dearer to Allah than henna.
The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) recommended it for many conditions: bruises, pain in the legs,
infection of nails, burns, and to beautify the hair. Henna is noted for its great heat and its ability
to excite the passions of love. The perfume made from henna flowers is considered to be one of
the finest in the world. The dyeing of hands, nails, and feet is a common practice in the East,
especially for weddings and feasts.


Honey ('asal)--Allah has said: "There comes forth, from within [the bee], a beverage of many
colors in which there is a healing for you." Mixed with hot water, and taken in several small doses,
honey is considered the best remedy for diarrhea.


The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) once said, "By Him in whose hand is my soul, eat honey.
For there is no house in which honey is kept for which the angels will not ask for mercy.
If a person eats honey, a thousand remedies enter his stomach and a million diseases
will come out. If a man dies and honey is found within him, fire will not touch his body
[i.e., he will be immune from the burning of hell]." The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) himself used to
drink a glass of honey and water each morning on an empty stomach.


Honey is considered the food of foods, the drink of drinks, and the drug of drugs.
It is used for creating appetite, strengthening the stomach, and eliminating phlegm;
as a meat preservative, hair conditioner, eye salve, and mouthwash. The best honey is
that produced in the spring; the second best is that of summer, and the least quality is
produced in winter.


Lentils ('adas)--All lentils produce dryness. Small amounts should be eaten,
as a side dish, for in quantity they are generally bad for the stomach. Hadith say
that the eating of lentils produces a sympathetic heart, tears in the eyes, and removes pride.


Lettuce (khass)--Although cold, lettuce is considered the best nourishment of all vegetables.
It softens a hard constitution and helps those who suffer delirium. It contradicts the sexual energy
and dries up semen. Excess consumption of lettuce weakens the eyesight.


Marjoram, Sweet (marzanjush)--The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) is reported to have said
that sweet marjoram is most excellent for anyone who has lost the sense of smell.


Meat (lahm)--Allah has said in the Qur'an (52:22): "And we will aid them with fruit
and meat, such as they desire." The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) reportedly said that one who does
not eat meat for forty consecutive days will waste away, whereas to eat meat for forty
consecutive days will harden the heart. In other words, one should moderate the intake of meat.


The most desirable of all meats is mutton, which is hot and moist in temperament.
The best mutton is that of a male yearling; the best cut is a shoulder roast. Mutton should be
cooked in some liquid, or it tends to dry out.

Beef fat mixed with pepper and cinnamon acts as a tonic medicine. The meat of pigs is forbidden to eat.
The consumption of horse flesh as a food is disputed. Avicenna said the flesh of camels, horses, and asses
are the worst of all meats. Also prohibited for human consumption are beasts of prey, animals that possess
canine teeth, and birds with hooked talons.


Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.): "Do not cut up meat with a knife upon the dish, for that is
the way of non-Muslims. But grasp it in your fingers and so it will taste better.
" And, he said: "One sheep is a blessing; two sheep are two blessings; three sheep are wealth."


Melon (battikh)--Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.): "Whenever you eat fruit, eat melon,
because it is the fruit of Paradise and contains a thousand blessings and a thousand mercies.
The eating of it cures every disease." Generally, the sweeter a melon, the greater its heat.
Green varieties tend to be cold; the yellow, hot. The Prophet took melons with fresh dates.
Melon purifies the bladder and the stomach, and improves the spinal fluid and eyesight.
Melons should not be eaten first in a meal. Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.): "None of your women
who are pregnant and eat of watermelon will fail to produce offspring who are good in countenance
and good in character."


Milk (laban)--Allah has mentioned milk to us, saying,
"Rivers of milk the taste whereof does not change" (Qur'an 47:15). And again He said, "Pure milk, easy and
agreeable to swallow for those who drink" (Qur'an 16:66). The Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) is said to
have remarked that milk is irreplaceable and that he himself loved milk.


Milk is composed of fat and water and milk solids (cheese).
Together, these components are well suited to the constitution of humans.
However, we should not take the milk of animals whose pregnancy lasts longer
than that of humans. The milk of cows is best, for they feed off grasses.

Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.): "Drink milk, for it wipes away heat from the heart
as the finger wipes away sweat from the brow. Furthermore, it strengthens the back,
increases the brain, augments the intelligence, renews vision, and drives away forgetfulness."


A milk diet is the best treatment there is for dropsy; however, anyone with fever must avoid milk.



Mint (nana)--The most subtle and refined of pot herbs, mint is heating and drying.
Mint strengthens the stomach, cures hiccups, and encourages sexual activity.
Placed in milk, mint will prevent it from turning to cheese.


Myrtle (as)--Cold in the second degree, myrtle is most used to stem diarrhea.
Smelling the oil will cure headache caused by overheating. Myrtle tea with quince added is
used for coughs.


Narcissus (narjis)--One Hadith says, "Smell a narcissus,
even if only once a day or once a week or once a month or once a year or once a lifetime.
For verily in the heart of man there is the seed of insanity, leprosy, and leukoderma.
And the scent of narcissus drives them away."


Olives and Olive Oil (zayt and zaytun)--The older olive oil is, the hotter it becomes.
Olive oil is an excellent treatment for the skin and hair, and it delays old age.

Allah has said of the olive tree: "And a tree that grows out of Mount Sinai which produces
oil and a condiment for those who eat. For olive oil is the supreme seasoning.
" Allah has also called it the Blessed Tree (Qur'an 24:35).


Green olives are the most nourishing, and counteract autointoxication.
Black olives cause the spleen to overproduce bile and are hard on the stomach.
Olive leaves can be chewed as treatment for inflammation of the stomach, skin ulcerations, and eruptions of herpes and hives.


Onion (basal)--Quite hot, the onion is a good corrective for all excess wetness.
Onion improves the flavor of foods and eliminates phlegm. Raw onions cause forgetfulness.
An excess of cooked onions causes headache and forgetfulness.


Parsley (karafs)--A Hadith states that eating parsley just before sleep
will cause one to awaken with sweet breath and will eliminate or prevent toothache.
Parsley stimulates sexual activity.


Peach (khu'kh)--Peaches generate cold, relax the stomach, and soften the bowels.
A good laxative, peaches should be eaten before, rather than after, a meal.


Pistachio (fustaq)--It is said that to eat the heart of a pistachio nut with egg yolk
will make the heart grow strong. The reddish skin stems diarrhea and vomiting.


Pomegranate (rumman)--Sweet pomegranates are preferred over the sour. The juice stems coughs.
All kinds of pomegranates settle palpitations of the heart. Hazrat Ali (r.a.) said that the light of Allah is in
the heart of whoever eats pomegranates. It is also reported that one who eats three pomegranates in the
course of a year will be inoculated against ophthalmia for that year.


Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.): Pomegranate "cleanses you of Satan and from evil aspirations for forty days."



Quince (safarjal)--It is said that to eat quince on an empty stomach is good for the soul.
Cold and dry, quince is astringent to the stomach, and it checks excessive menstrual flow.
A few seeds placed in water will, after a few minutes, form a mucilage which is an excellent
remedy for cough and sore throat, especially in the young. Quince is also excellent for pregnant women,
gladdening their hearts. The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) said: "Eat quince, for it sweetens the heart.
For Allah has sent no prophet as His messenger without feeding him on the quince of Paradise. For
quince increases the strength up to that of forty men."


Rhubarb (rawand)--Rhubarb is hot and dry, and best when picked fresh.
It opens blockages of the liver and resolves chronic fever.


Rice (aruzz)--Next to wheat, rice is the most nourishing of whole grain foods.
It is said eating rice increases pleasant dreams and the production of semen.
Eating rice cooked in fat from sheep's liver is better and more effective than a major purging.


Saffron (zafaran)--Hot and dry, saffron is excellent for the blood and strengthening to the soul.
It eases pains in the joints, but can cause great increase in the sex drive of young men.


Salt (milh)--Hot and dry in the third degree, salt, when taken moderately, is beautifying to the skin,
giving it a soft glow. Salt causes vomiting when purging, and stimulates the appetite.
Excessive use causes the skin to itch.


The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) recommended beginning and ending each meal with a pinch of salt. He said:
"From the one who begins a meal with salt, Allah wards off three hundred and thirty kinds of diseases,
the least of which are lunacy, leprosy, bowel troubles, and toothache. The rest is pre-scribed in the supreme
knowledge of Allah."


Senna (sana)--The best species of henna is that from the blessed city of Medina, where it grows plentifully.
The chief property of senna is that it strengthens the heart without harshness. Its nobility has caused it to be
referred to by the hakims as the Glory of Drugs. Its uses are many--in purgative infusions, decoctions, pills,
enemas, and powders. Senna causes the bile to flow, and reaches to the very depths of the joints to balance
the essences therein. The most effective use is as a tea, which can be made even more efficacious by adding violet
blossoms and crushed red raisins. The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) recommended senna most highly, making a statement
similar to the one about coriander: that it cures every disease except death itself.


Spinach (asfanakh)--Spinach is cold and moist, causing irritation to the chest and throat.
Still, it softens the bowels.


Sugar (sukkar)--Sugar is cold and moist. It is most often used in combination with other
medicinal herbs, which carry the effects to the furthest point of an organ. Eating too much
sugar creates disease of moisture.


Thyme (sa'tar)--In the time of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.), it was customary to fumigate
houses by burning frankincense and thyme. Thyme is cold and dry in the third degree.
An excellent digestive aid to heavy foods, thyme beautifies the complexion, annuls intestinal gas
, and benefits coldness of the stomach and liver. When drunk as an infusion, it is said to kill tapeworms.


Vermicelli (itriyyah)--This food is hot and excessively moist, thus hard to digest.
For those with very strong constitution, it provides excellent nourishment.


Vinegar (khall)--The Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) was reported to have once
remarked that vinegar was the seasoning of all the prophets who came before him.
Vinegar is both cold and hot, nearly balanced between the two. Mixed with rose water,
it is an excellent remedy for toothache and headache. Vinegar dissolves phlegm.
Another Hadith states that a house containing vinegar will never suffer from poverty.


Walnut (jawz)--Walnut is the hottest of nuts. Although hard to digest, when eaten
with raisins it is the best remedy for winter cough. Avicenna said that walnuts cure
the effects of poisons.


Water (ma')--The Prophet (s.a.w.s.) reportedly said: "The best drink in this world
and the next is water." Water is moist and, because of this, slightly cooling.
It extinguishes thirst and preserves the innate moisture of the body.
It assists digestion of foods and absorption of nutrients. Said the Prophet (s.a.w.s.):
"When you have a thirst, drink [water] by sips and do not gulp it down ....
Gulping water produces sickness of the liver."


Wheat (hintah)--Wheat is somewhat hot, and balanced between dryness and moisture.
The eating of raw wheat produces intestinal worms and gas. Wheat flour should be ground during the daytime.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

WASH YOUR FRUITS AND VEGETABLES!

The most contaminated fruits and vegetables:

We know that pesticides are definitely dangerous to human health.
We also know that one of the best things we can do to avoid pesticides is
to consume organic food. However, this isn’t always possible due to several
restraints: availability, price, etc.

There’s another thing we can do, however, to reduce our pesticide exposure:
avoid the fruits and vegetables that are the most contaminated.

When organic is not available, eat fruits and vegetables with consistently low pesticide loads.

It’s been shown that you can lower your pesticide exposure simply by avoiding
the top 12 most contaminated types of fruit and vegetables, and eating the least
contaminated instead.

Eating the 12 most contaminated fruits and vegetables will expose a person to
nearly 20 pesticides per day, on average. Eating the 12 least contaminated will
expose a person to a fraction over 2 pesticides per day.

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The Black List
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So, what are the most contaminated fruits and vegetables? Here’s the black list, according to the most recent data analysed:

---> The top 4 are fruits, in the following order:

#1 (Most Contaminated): Peach
#2: Strawberry
#3: Apple
#4: Nectarine

---> The other highly contaminated fruits in the top 12 are:

#5 Pears
#6 Cherrie
#7 Red raspberries
#8 Imported grapes (Chile, Mexico, etc.)

Some of these fruits, such as peaches and nectarines and raspberries,
can contain up to 45 different pesticides!

Overall, studies show that those fruits have a high chance of being
contaminated with a good number of different pesticide residues.

As for the vegetables, those that are the most likely to expose you to pesticide residues are:

#1 Celery
#2 Spinach
#3 Potatoes
#4 Sweet Bell Pepper

Those vegetables have a high chance of containing pesticide residues, some of them containing several!

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The Least Contaminated Produce
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---> Now, for the “good” vegetables, here’s the top, least contaminated, in order of purity:

- Sweet corn
- Avocado
- Cauliflower
- Asparagus
- Onions
- Peas
- Broccoli

---> The least contaminated fruits are:

- Pineapples
- Mangoes
- Bananas
- Kiwi
- Papaya


Very few mangoes and pineapple have pesticide residues on them,
and when they do they usually contain only one type.
Bananas do often contain pesticide residues, but rarely multiple ones.

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Conclusion
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To avoid pesticides, the best thing is to consume organic foods.
When that is not possible, select the foods that have the least pesticides on them,
and avoid those on the “black list.”

---> Other importance tricks to help reduce our pesticide exposure:

* Peel non-organic fruits, whenever possible*: That means pears, apples, etc.
I know many nutritionists say that the peel contains the most vitamins, but it isn’t quite true.
The peel of fruits is indigestible, so even though it may contain many vitamins,
they are not assimilated as well as the vitamins in the flesh of the fruits.

*Wash your produce with a non-toxic soap*. You can buy a non-toxic soap
for washing produce in most health food stores. Use this soap to wash your
non-organic peaches, or other fruits if you happen to buy them.

http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/art...tedfruits.html

Jazakumullahu Khair

[Wyatt]

I used to be a vegetarian. I am looking to get back into it quite soon too and I can't wait. When I used to be one, I really didn't enjoy how much it offended everyone. If I said I was a vegetarian, it would practically be asking people to tell me why I was wrong for doing so as if they watched their diet at all. ;D

I focus on foods that aren't specifically meant to substitute meat.

To know I'm eating an animal irks me a bit because I know the animal had to go through a lot of pain to end up on my plate. It's a dark thought. I'm not an animal rights activist even though I appreciate it. Radical groups like PETA give a bad name to people who care. :hmm:

However, the slaughter of some carrots and abuse wheat goes through to become my soup is perfectly fine for my dastardly tastes. :raging:

[جوري]

I like eating animals.. I just want to eat animals that graze not ones raised in a slaughter house...

[Mikayeel]

I cant even imagine being a vegetarian! I dont deny the benefits of fruits and vegetables, but on their own they are an incomplete diet. Fair enough meat back in the prophet (saw) days was a delicacy but that doesn't meant we cant have it at all.

I think a diet consisting of healthy meats (chicken breast, lean beef steak, venison, rabbit etc.) in moderation, along with plenty of vegetables and fruits is much more easier to follow.

I have only quickly looked through the thread, but to the vegetarian members on the forum, what benefits are there of being a vegetarian? Because the only real reason i can think of is that people totally dislike the taste of meat and have no option apart from being vegetarian.

[~Raindrop~]

To think that the last time I posted in this thread I was a fully-fledged chicken lover... meaning I used to love eating it every day :( And now I'm a vegetarian. o_O No more chicken.

I have only quickly looked through the thread, but to the vegetarian members on the forum, what benefits are there of being a vegetarian? Because the only real reason i can think of is that people totally dislike the taste of meat and have no option apart from being vegetarian

Health benefits. For me, at least. :ermm:

[Mikayeel]

:sl:

^ but sister. Why stop eating something you love? When it does not directly harm your health if eaten in moderation? In fact good meats have health benefits, think of salmon for example. If it did in anyway harm our health then the Quran for starters would have mentioned it, also the prophet (saw) for one would have commanded us to stay away from it, and would not have consumed it himself. I agree that if you were to eat lamb everyday it wouldn't be a good idea for obvious reasons.

Like i said previously, plants have obvious health benefits. But that doesn't automatically make 'non-plant' unhealthy. Quite the contrary really, there are plenty of meat sources that are considered healthy.

[sabr*]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

A practicing Muslim can refrain from eating anything he doesn't want to consume. But a practicing Muslim is unable to
declare they adopt the vegan philosophy. (Which is killing an animal for human consumption is abominable)

We are considered Pescitarians (fish, vegetables, nuts dairy which is halal and doesn't require slaughtering).

Many practicing Muslims who don't have access to Dhabiha (method of slaughter) and are unsure if the meat
is Halal they adopt eating food that doesn't require slaughtering.

The question of the thread is Are you a Vegetarian? Are there benefits? We are not promoting a vegan diet but
a Halal diet. Insha Allah

[Banu_Hashim]

:sl:

The following is some information from an interesting American scientific paper on vegetarianism. I didn't know too much on the health benefits myself, so I decided to research it.

Here are the highlighted points: -

* Vegetarians tend to have lower weight, total serum cholesterol levels, and blood pressures than omnivores.
* Vegetarians have lower mortality than the population at large, attributable primarily to lower death rates from ischemic heart disease and certain cancers.
* Clinical nutritional deficiencies are uncommon even among strict vegetarians, although obtaining essential nutrients requires planning and, in some cases, vitamin supplementation.
* At present, vegetarians appear to make up less than 2% of the population, but substantial public health and environmental benefits would likely result from a more widespread adoption of vegetarianism.

My opinion: Meat in moderation is good for you as is increasing the amount of fruits and vegetables and the variety of foods you intake. I would never, however, opt for total vegetarianism; my palate would not allow!

[جوري]

* At present, vegetarians appear to make up less than 2% of the population

That statistic alone renders the two first statements null and void and lacking statical power.. Also Many vegetarians whose diet consists of pastas, and breads and cheeses and rice, cakes and pies and I've known quite a few in my day tend to be more overweight than those say on the Dukan diet or the Atkin diet.. When I gave up meat out of disgust from the way they were raised I actually weighed alot more than I do now, I stand at 123lbs and I eat more proteins in the form of meat fish, chicken, the occasional kebab etc...

One should have a balanced diet. I don't even know that being a vegetarian is consistent with being Muslim for we're not to make unlawful that which Allah swt made lawful unless one has a specific health concern.

and Allah swt knows best

:w:

[CosmicPathos]

Vegan philosophy is illogical. You refrain from eating animals cuz you dont want to hurt them. But you kill thousands of bacteria every time you inhale in. Why not stop breathing, preferring your death over killing other poor little nifty bacterial animals.

[syed1]

To know I'm eating an animal irks me a bit because I know the animal had to go through a lot of pain to end up on my plate.

That is why we muslims, when slaughtering the animal have to make sure that the knife is sharpened and a proper method is followed so as to cause 'instant' death to the animal, and hence, minimize the pain or 'suffering' that the animal would go through.

[~Raindrop~]

Why stop eating something you love? When it does not directly harm your health if eaten in moderation? In fact good meats have health benefits..

It wasn't through choice.. chicken/meat is harmful to me right now, as is most green leafy veg and any sort of peel. Hope I'll go back to normal soon inshaAllah, although it's been a couple of months now so I dunno.. :(
I've managed to be strong in the face of (chicken :X) temptation and it's worked so far, lol.

Would I do this out of choice? Never.

[Mikayeel]

^ :sl:

Forgive me for thinking that it was through choice. Inshallah you will regain your health so that your able to have the things you love.

[~Raindrop~]

^It's no big deal, I think I'm used to it now.

Ameen thumma Ameen to your dua.

[~ Sabr ~]

Bumpty bump

I could never go veggie, love my chicken too much! And fish!

[omma987]

As-Salāmu `Alaykum

I'm new member here. For some time I have doubts over is the vegan food is halal? I mean, it be vegetarian or vegan generally permitted under Islamic law? I do not see nothing wrong with being a vegan or vegetarian. Indeed, any opinion would help me...

[Muhaba]

^If you have a preference for a certain type of diet, then there is nothing wrong with it. But if you're becoming a vegetarian despite having a desire for meat and dairy items and are forcing yourself to not eat those, that means you're making something haram (forbidden) for yourself which Allah has made halal. And that is not allowed. The Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم swore not to eat honey though it was something he loved. Allah made him break the swear. O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Allah has already ordained for you [Muslims] the dissolution of your oaths. And Allah is your protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise. (66:1-2)

In the commentary to this verse it says:
This is not, in fact, a question but an expression of disapproval. The object is not to ask the Holy Prophet (upon whom be Allah's peace) why he had done so, but to warn him that his act to make unlawful for himself what Allah had made lawful is not approved by Allah. This by itself gives the meaning that nobody has the power to make unlawful what Allah has made lawful; so much so that the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) himself also did not possess any such power. Although the Holy Prophet did not regard this as unlawful as a matter of faith nor legally but only forbade himself its use, yet since he was not an ordinary man but Allah's Messenger, and his forbidding himself something could have the effect that his followers too would have regarded it as forbidden, or at least reprehensible, or the people of his community might have thought that there was no harm in forbidding oneself something his Allah had made lawful, Allah pointed it out to him and commanded him to refrain from such prohibition. See commentary of Surah 66 - http://www.tafheem.net/tafheem.html

[_E_3]

i am veggie i have been for a number of years now
I would never go back to eating meat again
I would love to go vegan

[insann]

No benifets. They just try to be different. Somebody actually admitted. Look even fighters who are veges never became champions though they work really hard and their bodies is not ripped.

[rehan125]

i am both veg and non veg both is good for health
Benefits of Fruits and Vegetables

[Muhaba]

^I love all food too that is halal. more than I should actually.

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I am part-time vegetarian as in my city is difficult to find halal meat. Here is one halal restaurant and one halal shop but prices........ :nervous:

Sometimes I eat just only beans, potatoes and carrots.

[ardianto]

Salam alaykum

I am part-time vegetarian as in my city is difficult to find halal meat. Here is one halal restaurant and one halal shop but prices........ :nervous:

Sometimes I eat just only beans, potatoes and carrots.

Waalaikum salam

Sometime I didn't eat meat, fish or egg for a day.

[Muhaba]

Salam alaykum

I am part-time vegetarian as in my city is difficult to find halal meat. Here is one halal restaurant and one halal shop but prices........ :nervous:

Sometimes I eat just only beans, potatoes and carrots.

I know! It's sad how Muslims take advantage of every other Muslim needs to make more money! Astagfirullah. You'd think that they'd try to make halal meat available more easily (cheaply) in nonmuslim countries but instead they make it more expensive and thus more difficult for people to get halal meat.

Egg and dairy products (milk, yogurt, and cheese if it's halal) are good alternatives. Also you can get fish.

[specs]

I don't think I could live without chicken burgers or fish burgers!! lol
I'm not a healthy person when it comes to food.. I LOVE meat! :hmm:

[aymericdp]

Salam alaykum

I personally very much agree with another poster who was saying that a lot of the so-called halal meat might come from ill-treated animals. That is, IF you can figure out where that meat actually comes from... I avoid eating meat because of this. Just saying the animal has been sacrificed in a halal way doesn't mean the animal was raised in a halal way. Now, whether this is a valid basis to disqualify the meat is for scholars to tell. Sadly I have never read any fatwa about this really important issue.
As for the health benefits, I think that adopting a vegetarian lifestyle means that you are already concerned about what you eat and have a certain knowledge of what a proper, balanced diet should be, so it would make sense that vegetarians be less prone to metabolic disorders. I don't think this can be explained only by the absence of meat though. The key is moderation, as in everything...