Does England have really a problem with muslims ?

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Today 20 March, 2010 :
"Dozens of people were arrested and several injured after violent clashes between anti-Muslim militants and anti-fascist protesters and police during a demonstration in Bolton. " .. more

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Does England have really a problem with muslims ?
 
Yes, it does. Of course it does. Not every English person, of course. Thats why there were UAF protesters there (although not as many, admittedly).
 
Personally I don't live in England, but I want to go there to visit it some day. So I don't really have a big idea about what looks like to be a muslim in England. However I think, England is the better european country who accepted any kind of religion. Many muslim brothers live there better than in some arabic countries. That's said, I don't deny that some english people have strange feelings against muslims, I mean, that's totally natural, they aren't yet familiarised with seeing muslims working with them and standing near to them in a supermarket. although, many white british who get acquainted with muslims and speaked with them say that it's ok to live with muslims : they are humans no ? except they have slightly a different opinion according to religious beliefs.
Plus, many people in the UAF who protested against the ant-muslim militants are non-muslims, and that's a good thing.
 
It's the media that feeds hatred into the mind of public.
 
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marwen said:
Personally I don't live in England, but I want to go there to visit it some day. So I don't really have a big idea about what looks like to be a muslim in England. However I think, England is the better european country who accepted any kind of religion. Many muslim brothers live there better than in some arabic countries. That's said, I don't deny that some english people have strange feelings against muslims, I mean, that's totally natural, they aren't yet familiarised with seeing muslims working with them and standing near to them in a supermarket. although, many white british who get acquainted with muslims and speaked with them say that it's ok to live with muslims : they are humans no ? except they have slightly a different opinion according to religious beliefs.
Plus, many people in the UAF who protested against the ant-muslim militants are non-muslims, and that's a good thing.
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Oh absoloutely. Islam is quite an alien culture, but most English people are more curious than full of hatred. England is perhaps one of the Islamically tolerant countries in Europe.
 
I think at the moment muslims are under the microscope. I feel that muslims are potrayed in a negative light by the media around the world. This gives people who have hatred towards different religions and cultures ammunition to vent their hatred.

There is a lot of anti-islam feeling but those that are educated and intelligent understand and respect people for who they are regardless of race, religion & colour.
I live in the Uk and I have experienced both end of the spectrum and it is mostly good.
 
honestly guys, if the taliban didnt go and set those bombs of @ 7/7 the people would be far more tolerant of us.

still i think most people recognize most muslims are not violent, but because they are now under threat of taliban they have to take their anger out on those percieved to be in league with the taliban....

oh and english people just generally love racism and violence. just come to a football match someday and youll see
 
tango92 said:
honestly guys, if the taliban didnt go and set those bombs of @ 7/7 the people would be far more tolerant of us.

still i think most people recognize most muslims are not violent, but because they are now under threat of taliban they have to take their anger out on those percieved to be in league with the taliban....

oh and english people just generally love racism and violence. just come to a football match someday and youll see
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The Taliban didn't commit 7/7. Islamists with loose connections to al Queda did. I believe they were responding to the British occupation of Iraq. Which was a response to the belief Saddam had WMD.

Although, 7/7 hardly helped matters in Britain. In the weeks after 7/7, mosques were vandalized, Muslims were hospitalized and Islam was in the bad media spotlight.
 
Not every muslims is a "taliban" or part of al-Qaeda.

Why can't people just understand that?
 
As you mentioned the 7/7 bombs, all I can say is that the people who committed it are CRIMINALS. But the problem with the whole occidental countries is that, when a criminal muslim commit a crime, they say : islamists are terrorist. but when a christian or a jew or an atheist commit a crime, they say : he is a criminal, without mentionning his religion.
I don't know why european people try to recall the islam when a criminal is a muslim, why not they judge him just for his crime.
 
i just love when English/white people yap on about how Muslims want to overrun their country. i mean, hello! does the name 'Captain James Cook' ring a bell...or maybe the name 'Christopher Columbus' does. go read your own history and go look at the state Iraq and Afghanistan are in with all thanks to your soldiers. man, your own history is riddled with racism and slaughtering the masses and other such atrocities...if you want something to whinge about, go whinge about that.
 
Ummu Sufyaan said:
i just love when English/white people yap on about how Muslims want to overrun their country. i mean, hello! does the name 'Captain James Cook' ring a bell...or maybe the name 'Christopher Columbus' does. go read your own history and go look at the state Iraq and Afghanistan are in with all thanks to your soldiers. man, your own history is riddled with racism and slaughtering the masses and other such atrocities...if you want something to whinge about, go whinge about that.
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This sort of unhelpful populist ranting does not serve to bridge the vacum between Muslims and non-Muslims in the UK. Columbus and James Cook are revered by people the world over as pioneering explorers of their time and rightly so. And yes, colonial authorities did subjugate whole populations, which was unacceptable.

But the vast majority of people in the UK, non-Muslims especially, realise that Muslims do not pose an existential threat to them. Muslims are part of the social fabric of this country, and not an external rabble of violence-mongerers and instigators of radicalisation of disaffected young people.
 
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I live in England and i am a muslim. This anti Islamic organisation which did the protest is quite new. England or more accurate the UK does not realy have a major problem with muslims..............as long they dont do acts like 7/7. The right wing is just using this in there advantage as many people are confused and scared of what Islam is all about.

The irony of the protest is that it was done in Bolton where quite a few muslims live.....to create problems- with the UAF showing up it created a even larger public stunt. It clearly shows that there are two views. The rightwing being less popular although many rightwing groups are trying to push it to the mainstream.

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This sort of unhelpful populist ranting does not serve to bridge the vacum between Muslims and non-Muslims in the UK. Columbus and James Cook are revered by people the world over as pioneering explorers of their time and rightly so. And yes, colonial authorities did subjugate whole populations, which was unacceptable.

But the vast majority of people in the UK, non-Muslims especially, realise that Muslims do not pose an existential threat to them. Muslims are part of the social fabric of this country, and not an external rabble of violence-mongerers and instigators of radicalisation of disaffected young people.
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whatever floats your boat, dude.
we can be as tolerant as we can, who ever hates us, will always hate us. and likewise, whoever like us, will always like us. 9/11, etc is just an excuse to vent their (the ones who hate us) anger and hate towards us that's been bottled inside them over the generations.
 
Ummu Sufyaan said:
whatever floats your boat, dude.
we can be as tolerant as we can, who ever hates us, will always hate us. and likewise, whoever like us, will always like us. 9/11, etc is just an excuse to vent their (the ones who hate us) anger and hate towards us that's been bottled inside them over the generations.
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Why do you imagine someone would hate an entire group of people? I don't get it. Like it or not, valid or not - people do, irrational or otherwise have suspicions towards Muslims (and indeed other minority groups). Be it based on a fear of a takeover from within, or contempt of islamic culture or islamic ethics - there is and are reasons.

The only group(s) I actually know that might hate Muslims rather than Islam are White Nationalists/Supremists.
 
Skavau said:
Why do you imagine someone would hate an entire group of people? I don't get it. Like it or not, valid or not - people do, irrational or otherwise have suspicions towards Muslims (and indeed other minority groups). Be it based on a fear of a takeover from within, or contempt of islamic culture or islamic ethics - there is and are reasons.

The only group(s) I actually know that might hate Muslims rather than Islam are White Nationalists/Supremists.
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you got it perfectly right, people are not only suspect of Muslims, but other minorities as well, and who are these people with all this suspicion? white people! as ive said in another post, we need to stop being PC (as many white pundits have also said) and say it like it is, its white people having a problem with Muslims, and with Islam, and with anything that is essentially different.

you will find that many of the bigoted comments and propaganda made against Muslims also happened to be made against the Blacks, Hispanics, and other ethnic minorities. in America they basically say the exact same thing about Mexicans as the Europeans do about Muslims in Europe. its the same pattern, same language, over and over again, and its the same people, white people. white people having a problem with people who arent white, and people who have a somewhat different culture than the white culture.
 
The_Prince said:
you got it perfectly right, people are not only suspect of Muslims, but other minorities as well, and who are these people with all this suspicion? white people! as ive said in another post, we need to stop being PC (as many white pundits have also said) and say it like it is, its white people having a problem with Muslims, and with Islam, and with anything that is essentially different.

you will find that many of the bigoted comments and propaganda made against Muslims also happened to be made against the Blacks, Hispanics, and other ethnic minorities. in America they basically say the exact same thing about Mexicans as the Europeans do about Muslims in Europe. its the same pattern, same language, over and over again, and its the same people, white people. white people having a problem with people who arent white, and people who have a somewhat different culture than the white culture.
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This observation might be striking if perhaps caucasians in Europe and North America did not represent a majority, and therefore would statistically be more likely to be seen to hold contempt and prejudice against minorities. It would also be more apt an observation if we did not observe a trend of majority suspicion against the minority in general, no matter the race or culture.

A simple response is that it is true by definition (an example) that White Nationalists and Supremists will only hold specific contempt for non-whites.
 
The_Prince said:
you got it perfectly right, people are not only suspect of Muslims, but other minorities as well, and who are these people with all this suspicion? white people! as ive said in another post, we need to stop being PC (as many white pundits have also said) and say it like it is, its white people having a problem with Muslims, and with Islam, and with anything that is essentially different.

you will find that many of the bigoted comments and propaganda made against Muslims also happened to be made against the Blacks, Hispanics, and other ethnic minorities. in America they basically say the exact same thing about Mexicans as the Europeans do about Muslims in Europe. its the same pattern, same language, over and over again, and its the same people, white people. white people having a problem with people who arent white, and people who have a somewhat different culture than the white culture.
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I don't think it is only white people. The reason why you might feel is that the host population is white, some of the racism comes from whites hence your comment above.

If you look at the racism towards whites is in a lot of Pakistani people, the simple term 'gora' used to describe any white person is simply ridiculous. I for one have stopped talking in Punjabi if there are any white people around mainly because they will think you are talking about them. Which is totally justified.

The problem with Muslims that the English have seems to come from 3 sources. The media, bnp type people and Muslims themselves. It seems sometimes that the brothers will do anything not to integrate and to distance themselves from the host population. For Allah sake we have Muslim businesses in the UK where some of the staff can't even speak English! Imagine how the English feel when they are treated with such contempt in their own country by us Muslims!
 
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