Forgive me...

[MoeeTee]

Salaamu Alaikum.

I think I have posted here about my first time praying, feels good to pray it became a habit now.

I went from drinking liquor with non Muslim women, and partying to staying home and working, and praying daily. It's a step I guess.


I have something that is been bothering me, Ever since Philosophy class its been buggin me, forgive me please.

If Allah is The Creator; can Allah create something He cannot destroy?

Why can all Humanity know that Allah exists, why have everyone with guessing? and Believing otherwise?

Maybe this way people who Obey and Dis Obey shall be punished?

Because some people don't know or care if Allah exists, so they do as they please. Some look otherwise, who knows, but do you brothers understand what I'm trying to say?

Or is this a sin for even having the thought/asking? imsad


I hope Allah forgives me and everyone out there just had it in mind.

[Alpha Dude]

Wa alaykum salam,

If Allah is The Creator; can Allah create something He cannot destroy?

This is one of them silly illogical questions, like whether Allah could make a square circle or whether Allah could create a stone that is too heavy for him to lift.

Have a read of this article written by one of the brothers that used to post here, it should make things clearer (different topic but similar explanation):

If Allah is omnipotent, then can He make a rock so big that He can't even lift/move?

"Atheists attempt to use this question to prove that the concept of omnipotence is self-contradictory. But the problem here is a contradiction in terms. This issue becomes even more clear when we examine a related question: "Can God create an uncreated being?" The problem here is that the questioner has already defined the being to be uncreated and then proceeds to ask for something that contradicts that definition. The problem is in the questioner's terms, not any lack in God's potential. The same is true when asking God to make a circle with four sides. Having already provided a definition of a circle that could never include a four-sided figure, such a question is absurd. Something is certainly self-contradictory here, but it is the questioner's terminology and not the omnipotence of God.

The same is true when we come to the case of create a stone which cannot be lifted. Aside from the problem that we are placing an infinite unrestricted being under the finite restricted laws of our universe, the concept of the stone is self-contradictory. Basically, such a stone could not exist because it is conceptually incoherent. When one asks if God could create such a stone, one would normally identify the properties of such a stone. But here we haven't been given absolute properties, but instead we've been given properties of the stone relative to God's properties. The questioner has identified the potential stone as something so big that God couldn't lift, so even though we already know that there is nothing God cannot lift, they have used that as an attribute for the stone. Automatically, the concept of such a stone is nullified. Now, when they ask could God create such a stone, the answer is no, but that doesn't imply a lack of potential on the part of God. Instead, it reflects the fact that the concept of such a stone is illogical, unreal, inadmissible. It is very similar to asking if God can die. Well, death isn't an ability, its the inability to live. The immortal cannot die because that defies His attribute of immortality. Similarly, the omnipotent cannot create a task that He can't complete because such a task is merely a figment of one's imagination and could not exist.

You're basically asking, if God can do anything, can He make it impossible for himself to do something? The question is illogical and self-contradictory because the argument contradicts the premise. Once you have already established that God can do anything, then that's a set attribute and part of His nature. Therefore, He can do anything that is consistent with His nature, anything that is absolute.

Can God make 1=2? Well if 1=2, then it wouldn't be 1! So the idea is self-contradictory, not God.

The question also reminds me of the idea of what happens when an immovable rock meets an unstoppable force? The two things cannot exist in the same universe. Likewise, if God exists then all things which contradict His attributes are imaginary, non-existant and impossible. They are forever bound to the realm of imagination and cannot be brought into existence.

Shaykh Ibn Abil-'Izz (d. 1389CE) also answered this question in Sharhul Aqeedah Tahaawiyyah (p.137), in his discussion of the following verse:

And Allah, over each thing, is omnipotent; all-powerful [al-Baqarah 2:284]

This includes all that is possible. As for what is in intrinsically impossible - such as there being a thing that exists and does not exist at one and the same time - then, this has no reality, nor is its existence conceivable, nor is it termed 'a thing' by agreement of those with intelligence. Included in this category is: [Allah] creating the likes of Himself, making Himself non-existent, and other impossibilites.

This also serves as a reply to the question posed by some: 'Can Allah create a stone that He is unable to lift?' The argument being that if Allah cannot create such a stone, He is not all-powerful; but if He can, then likewise He is not all-powerful. The fallacy of this argument lies in the fact that such an affair is, in itself, impossible and exists only in the minds of certain people. And not all that the mind conjures-up has an existence that is possible, nor is it always termed 'a thing.'

Why can all Humanity know that Allah exists, why have everyone with guessing? and Believing otherwise?

Allah has created us on fitrah, a natural inclination to acknowledge Allah's existence. However, as we grow and become preoccupied with this worldly life, we tend to lose sight of it.

The existence of Allah should be clear enough to anyone that has a sincere, sound and uncluttered mind. A lot of people don't even spend the time to contemplate so how are they going to arrive to the truth? They are far to indulgent in their petty affairs, chasing money, women, etc for them to take the time to realise the truth.

[Ummu Sufyaan]

wa alaykum us-Salaam
get out of your philosophy class for not only did our greatest ulamaa have nothing good to say about it, but it also creates endless confusion upon confusion. it wouldn't be half the problem if it was actually based on solid evidences (as opposed to speculation and theory) but you dont even get that luxary as well.


this information is taken from Umar al-Asqar's "belief in Allah."

[tango92]

wa alaykum us-Salaam
get out of your philosophy class for not only did our greatest ulamaa have nothing good to say about it, but it also creates endless confusion upon confusion. it wouldn't be half the problem if it was actually based on solid evidences (as opposed to speculation and theory) but you dont even get that luxary as well.


this information is taken from Umar al-Asqar's "belief in Allah."

i agree, back in my days of ignorance i always fancied myself as quite the philosopher, but even i knew then that all of it basically bull.

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[MoeeTee]

please don't hate me i do believe in Allah but here and their i think really stupid

[جوري]

It is funny I was thinking today of the most useless courses I took in under-grad and the first thing that came to my head were the two worthless classes of philosophy I had and the countless nonsensical papers I had to write about obsolete philosophers and their obsolete, weak and ineffectual theories which has positively no foundation in truth or reality but almost inevitably came with a funny dressed atheist with bad breath who fancied his short-comings charming!

[tango92]

noone is hating on you, most everyone has these questions. inshallah with a bit of time and a bit of reading youll get your answers

[Raziah]

You have to regert first,to cut off the sin then Allah may forgive you.

[peaceandlove]

If Allah is The Creator; can Allah create something He cannot destroy?

Allah says in Surah Yaseen , Verse

82. Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!

83. So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back.

So If Allah want he can do any this he want , but also you have to know that

Allah does not take human form:
Allah does not perform ungodly acts:
Allah does not make mistakes:
Allah does not forget:
Allah only performs Godly acts:

If Allah want he can do any thing he wants , but remeber Allah wont do ungodly acts because Allahd does not want to do that.

Read this topic that can help you a lot http://islam-faq.blogspot.com/2009/0...-in-islam.html

Why can all Humanity know that Allah exists, why have everyone with guessing? and Believing otherwise? Maybe this way people who Obey and Dis Obey shall be punished?

All humanity knows that there is one GOD , and Allah exists , its in the nature of human being , any person you have little mind and thinking can reach this decision , if you read the stories of disbelievers of Makkah , they believe in Oness of Allah but still they make false GOD ,just becuase of some reason that they might loose their rule ove country or they loose financial benefists etc

Quran says in Suran 39

38. If indeed thou ask them who it is that created the heavens and the earth, they would be sure to say, "Allah". Say: "See ye then? the thingsthat ye invoke besides Allah,- can they, if Allah wills some Penalty for me,remove His Penalty?- Or if He wills some Grace for me, can they keep backhis Grace?" Say: "Sufficient is Allah for me! In Him trust those who puttheir trust."

is this a sin for even having the thought/asking?

Asking question is good for knowlege and if your intentions are good and if you want to calrify any thing.

You might get many bad thinking in mind and you byself know that they are wrong, so just ignore them and donot put effort to remember them and ask Allah for help.

May Allah guide us all to the true path.

[newBro]

Brother MoeTee,
Assalamualaikum,
It is a mercy from Allah that He has not made compulsory on us anything that is beyond our capability. This has been repeated at many places in the Quran. For example, Allah mentions in the last Ayah of Surah Al-Baqarah, [2:286] "Allah never burdens a soul beyond its means...".
This principle is not only for actions but also beliefs. One example of this is that while we will be questioned about whether we believe in the existence of Allah and His Oneness, we will not be questioned about the exact 'nature' of Allah, as it is beyond our minds to comprehend it. Another example is the example of Qadr, i.e. the belief that Allah knows everything that everyone will ever do, and He also knows who will go to Jannah and who to Jahannam. What is required of us is belief that Allah has complete knowledge, but we are not required to understand it fully and logically, because that is beyond the capability of our minds. In fact, we are told not to discuss it, for example:

Dawud :: Book 25 : Hadith 3648
Narrated Mu'awiyah:
The Holy Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) forbade the discussion of thorny questions.

This comes from the principle that is mentioned in other Ahadith, that among the good qualities of a good Muslim is that he leaves whatever does not concern him, and the issues you raised, and the examples I have given above, belong to that category since we don't gain anything in terms of the Akhirah from discussing them, except that maybe we may be deceived due to this.

Here are some Ahadith about this:
Malik :: Book 56 : Hadith 56.7.17
Malik related to me that he heard that someone said to Luqman, "What has brought you to what we see?" meaning his high rank. Luqman said, "Truthful speech, fulfilling the trust, and leaving what does not concern me."

Malik :: Book 47 : Hadith 47.1.3
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Ali ibn Husayn ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Part of the excellence of a man's Islam is that he leaves what does not concern him."

So I suggest that it is better not to ask such questions, and also to try not to think about them, and use the time we save to do deeds that will allow us to improve our Akhirah. One thing I can suggest is reading and understand and pondering over the Quran, which will Inshallah allow you to understand more of what Allah wants from us, and allow you to get nearer to Allah's Mercy Inshallah.

Wassalam

[Seek]

Salam Alaykum brother MoeTee,

I have no clue where you had the idea that you might sin for thinking like that. You may think whatever you want. On the contrary, when you think, you question, you find answers. I always emphasize the idea to ask questions and seek the truth.

Regarding the question "why would God create a rock he can't lift?"

I think this is a question for Christians? Because I believe Allah is the ALMIGHTY God. If he can create, he can destroy. If he can create something, he can make it vanish. Allah never became a Human for him to lift something he created.

And as my brother peaceandlove quoted from the Glorious Quran. Surah Yaseen, verse 83 :

Verily, when He intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!



I'm taking philosophy classes too. Most of these question I would guess to the Christians themselves. I don't see how these questions could be applied to Allah. They are just illogical.

Last point: You are our brother. Allah loves the person who seeks answers and knowledge. It is never bad to question! Come and question us. Inshallah we will answer your questions.

From the Glorious Quran, Chapter 96, verses 1-4 says:

Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth, (1) Createth man from a clot. (2) Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, (3) Who teacheth by the pen, (4)

P.S. That is the message from Allah to his messenger. Read! in another meaning to iqra is to seek knowledge, learn and ask questions.

Salam! :)

[cat eyes]

gosh our brain, our little brains trying to come up with clever questions hehe Allah created our brain so that we may think subhanAllah:)

[Muslimeen]

These are the whisperings of shaitaan. Ignore them, the more you dwell on them the stronger they become. I used to get all sorts of bad thoughts about allah and his Rasul Sallalahu Allaihi Wassalam, until I sort help and started to ingnore them. Soon they disappeared. The sahaba also complained to Rasullulah Sallalahu Allaihi Wassalam about bad thoughts. I don't have the hadith on hand otherwise I would have quoted it. One of the explanations was that shaitan attacks a person who has imaan, so it is a sure sign of imaan, it is like a robber who targets a house in which he is certain there are valuables for him to steal. I also encourge staying away from people or places that would bring such thoughts.

[kite runner]

whether Allah could create a stone that is too heavy for him to lift.

When someone asks us this isn't this comparing Allah to his creation? why would Allah want to lift it, he has other ways of moving things :D