Why are christians and Jews close minded?

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Christians make lame excuses on why they think pork is okay and alcohol is okay when it is clearly not. Why don't they realize this?

why do Jews drink alcohol when they are not supposed to?

They also make lame excuses on why they drink alcohol.


Why do these people defend alcohol when it is clearly bad for you?

The bible doesn't even say the wine was alcoholic that Jesus(pbuh) drank
 
Aslaamu`Alaaykum

Why do some Muslims listen to Music , when in Islaam its forbidden?
Well because theyre not practising their faith as theyre meant to, some maybe trying to stop listening to music as it may be there Jihaad ,struggling and striving for Allaahs sake.

These people who do what their faith tells them not to do are doing it, it clearly show they are not following their faith as its meant to be followed and are following only but their Desires!.
Theyre soo in love with the Alcohol, that Shaytaan tricks them into thinking its all good and as if its their only hope as in what makes them happy!

"That is because they followed that which angered Allah, and hated that which pleased Him. So He made their deeds fruitless." [Al-Qur`aan Surah Muhammad verse 28]

"Verily, those who have turned back (have apostated) as disbelievers after the guidance has been manifested to them, Shaitan (Satan) has beautified for them (their false hopes), and (Allah) prolonged their term (age)." [Al Qur`aan Surah Muhammad verse 25]
And there are many more verses inshaAllaah the other brothers and sisters who may post.

Wa`Alaaykum Salaam
 
actually I believe that prophet Mohamed pbuh was the first prophet who declared alcohol haram, because some men used to go do prayers drunk, and this is when it became forbidden. Pork though has always been forbidden.
 
MrKhan89 said:
The bible doesn't even say the wine was alcoholic that Jesus(pbuh) drank
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That doesn't make sense, when the very definition of wine is "a beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume".
Jesus drank wine, not grape juice. Simple, really.
 
@Glo:

Yep, for sure, Jesus - peace be upon him - drank wine. :) This is something you even yourself can not believe lol
 
FYI glo, I don't know why you are defending alcohol,

The bible doesn't say it was a intoxicating drink, so the wine he drank wasn't alcoholic,

so please stop defending alcohol, it makes you more close minded than usual. Btw

we are following what Jesus did, he worshipped god the way we worship 5 times a day and he didn't eat pork and didn't drink alcohol and he fasted as well.
 
MrKhan89 said:
Christians make lame excuses on why they think pork is okay and alcohol is okay when it is clearly not. Why don't they realize this?
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Christians think pork and alcohol (in moderation) are OK because our Scriptures declare them to be so.

Food: Romans 14:14 ("no food is unclean in itself")
Wine: Ecclesiastes 9:7 ("drink your wine with a joyful heart)
Drunkenness: Ephesians 5:18 ("do not get drunk on wine").

The wine Jesus drank probably contained a small amount of alcohol (nothing like the percentage in wine today) - slightly fermented wine was a much safer drinking option than water. It is difficult to make sense of Luke 7:33-34 if the wine Jesus drank was just grape juice. The emphasis in the Bible is avoiding drunkenness and drinking in the presence of those who find drinking unacceptable (and the same with gluttony and eating foods others find unacceptable).
 
You can say whatever you want to! Jesus - Peace be upon him - never drank alcoholic beverages! Not even wine! Btw, the OT says that is not allow to eat pork :) So why do you eat? It is in your scripture!
 
Excuse me but your scriptures have been changed, I even saw a verse in the bible that said " stay away from wine and strong drink" But I think your newer changed scriptures don't say that anymore lol
 
Brasco said:
You can say whatever you want to! Jesus - Peace be upon him - never drank alcoholic beverages! Not even wine! Btw, the OT says that is not allow to eat pork :) So why do you eat? It is in your scripture!
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exactly.................
 
I want to ask Christian brothers and sisters :

1) how do you see drinking (alcohol) as a behavior?
2) what do you think about a drinking prophet ?
3) what do you think about a drinking G-d ?
 
Suzeteo said:
Christians think pork and alcohol (in moderation) are OK because our Scriptures declare them to be so.

Food: Romans 14:14 ("no food is unclean in itself")
Wine: Ecclesiastes 9:7 ("drink your wine with a joyful heart)
Drunkenness: Ephesians 5:18 ("do not get drunk on wine").

The wine Jesus drank probably contained a small amount of alcohol (nothing like the percentage in wine today) - slightly fermented wine was a much safer drinking option than water. It is difficult to make sense of Luke 7:33-34 if the wine Jesus drank was just grape juice. The emphasis in the Bible is avoiding drunkenness and drinking in the presence of those who find drinking unacceptable (and the same with gluttony and eating foods others find unacceptable).
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Excuse me but your scriptures have been changed, I even saw a verse in the bible that said " stay away from wine and strong drink" But I think your newer changed scriptures don't say that anymore lol
 
marwen said:
I want to ask Christian brothers and sisters :

1) how do you see drinking (alcohol) as a behavior?
2) what do you think about a drinking prophet ?
3) what do you think about a drinking G-d ?
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exactly....................
 
MrKhan89 said:
Excuse me but your scriptures have been changed, I even saw a verse in the bible that said " stay away from wine and strong drink" But I think your newer changed scriptures don't say that anymore lol
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I think you are thinking of Numbers 6:3, part of the vow of the Nazarite. Unless all Christians are required to take the vow of the Nazarite (which also involves refraining from shaving and avoiding corpses and graves) this might not be the proof-text you are looking for.
 
Suzeteo said:
I think you are thinking of Numbers 6:3, part of the vow of the Nazarite. Unless all Christians are required to take the vow of the Nazarite (which also involves refraining from shaving and avoiding corpses and graves) this might not be the proof-text you are looking for.
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excuse me, that link that i posted showed all of the things that said strong drink and wine are forbidden, why are you avoiding and making up another lame excuse?
 
What about these two verses?

"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
[Proverbs 20:1]

"And be not drunk with wine."
[Ephesians 5:18]

Alcohol is prohibited in both, christianity and islam and do not get any ideas that one of the Prophets drank alcohol, since this is foolish and baseless.
 
MrKhan89 said:
excuse me, that link that i posted showed all of the things that said strong drink and wine are forbidden, why are you avoiding and making up another lame excuse?
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I had not read the link when I posted, which is why I only referred to the passage you were thinking of in the post I replied to. If you like, I am happy to go through the other texts in the article you linked to and demonstrate that they do not declare alcohol to be forbidden (as I said previously, the Judeo-Christian Scriptures teach that drinking alcohol in moderation is OK). I will simply apply the same method (reading the verse in its co-text) to each passage. In each case either the verse will not be a universal prohibition (e.g. Numbers 6:3) or the verse will only prohibit drinking in excess (as Ephesians 5:18 teaches). Please say if you would find this helpful.
 

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