Muslims ask yourself why am I on Fitna Facebook?

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Face-book has become a social media that everyone has and it can really be used for lots of good in promoting the Deen and other good things but unfortunately many Muslims have fallen into the trap of Shaytan by putting them selves out there in a very bad way. Women instead of guarding their modesty and beauty are putting pic's of them selves out there for the world to see and many are looking for attention from the boys and boys are doing the same thing.

Muslims are wasting hundreds of useless hours on Fitna Facebook insted of learning their Deen and forming a relationship with Allah the Almighty and his Quran and the Sunnah. In this video Eddie of TheDeenshow
will be giving a friendly reminder of what to stay away from this Ramadan and more on the matter inshallah.
 
Salam
I closed down my facebook but have you actually use it?

If sister were to put up their pictures, they can restrict to their friends (sisters) and family (mahram). The whole world doesn’t have to see it.

As for wasting time, time can be wasted by many other things. Facebook can be used to contact families on the other side of the world. Who is anyone to criticise someone for using facebook? It is merely a tool that can be used for good or the bad. It comes down to their intention and actions.

I haven't watched the video yet, well do.
 
The following is the best argument I've read against facebook.

In the name of Allāh, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Assalāmu ῾alaykum wa Rahmatullāhi Wabarakātuh

We thank you for seeking clarity on the matter.

In order to understand the issue at hand we must look at the matter from a few different angles. We will also take this opportunity to dispel some misconceptions about the “Facebook” boycott Fatawa.

“Facebook” is a social networking website whose description according to them is “Facebook helps you connect and share with the people in your life.” Moreover, it aims to make new relationships across the borders to give way into a global online community which revolves around the user. Essentially there is nothing wrong in this concept.

However, like every other medium of communication and social interaction, we are required to consider the Pros and Cons while establishing the Sharī῾ah Compliancy.

Telephone is an example of such a medium which is perfectly permissible, however, if the interaction is between two non Mahram (strangers) then it will become impermissible.

Similarly, if the medium of social interaction violates any Shar῾ī rules or make it extremely
difficult to maintain them, then this medium will be impermissible as well.

With regards to Facebook, Pakistan had banned it only for the time it hosted the “Everybody draw Muhammad” event. This ban was lifted afterwards. Our motive for its Boycott was not primarily for hosting this event, rather for being deliberately negligent in taking appropriate measures and removing the page.

According to the Terms and Conditions of Facebook under the title of “Safety” it states,
“7. You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.”[1]

This is further explained in a correspondence to a user who promoted Hitler in order to test the double standards of Facebook. Facebook wrote:

“We do not tolerate hate speech.
Targeting people based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, or disease is a serious violation of our standards and has resulted in the permanent loss of your account.”[2]

This makes it a moral duty of the users to report any page that violates the above. Thereafter it becomes an obligation of “Facebook” to remove those pages. In case of the above mentioned event which was rightfully deemed derogatory and disrespectful by many Muslims, as was prevalent from worldwide protests, even their policy demanded that the page be removed. Their antic is compounded by the fact that there were ample complaints against it, yet Facebook chose to overlook these complaints and reap a generous publicity worldwide through it.

Their bias becomes more apparent when individuals like “Saad Waraich” took these issues head on in the form of their private experiments. A page which was intentionally made to discuss the personality of Hitler was not only removed, but the user was also banned permanently. He was told:

We will not be able to reactivate your account for any reason. This decision is final.
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While “Everybody draw Muhammad” page was allowed under their policy of “Freedom of Speech”, “Hitler page” got purged within hours.[4]

Although such direct discrimination towards Islam is sufficient to render Facebook an abhorrence for us as Muslims, nonetheless its drawbacks are not limited to this bias. Many people have enumerated countless reasons for leaving Facebook. You can perhaps enlighten your friends about these as well.

Facebook, being a social networking site offers all types of media options imaginable. These include many which are impermissible in Islām.

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The website strives on the exchange of pictures and videos which are more often than not of prohibitive nature in Islām.

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The website does not offer any restriction in gender interaction. This means that it is very difficult to safeguard oneself or youth from interacting with a non mahram (strangers). Putting oneself in such danger is like intentionally stepping into Shaitan’s trap. Muftī Taqī Uthmāni Sāheb had mentioned this in his talk as well: “I dont know but I have been informed that young boys and girls have been befriending each other through this site and the moral teachings of religion are being stampeded and trampled upon. So this site should be blocked and banned!”[5] This is exactly what we have observed as well.

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The website offers a poor security for private material. This has been an administrative concern for Facebook for quite some time now. Moreover their new privacy measures which claims to tackle these security issues suggests that many aspects of ones profile now becomes public information.[6] Focusing on such issues, other people including non Muslims, have been contemplating leaving Facebook.[7][8]

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The website’s structure makes the user incapable to deleting information like pictures and videos permanently. This means that should you want to delete any impermissible picture, it will remain accessible through its direct link even after a month or so, and in some cases up to a year later.[9] [10]

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The website also does not allow you to delete your own account. It follows a procedure of requesting a permanent delete, in which you submit a request which deactivates your account. The account still remains with Facebook and is only deleted permanently after 14 days of zero activity on the website. Furthermore, should there be any activity during these 14 days, the website automatically reinstates the account and the request for deletion is revoked.

While we enumerate all these cons to the website, we still face the common reservations to our decision of Boycott. It is also beneficial to skim through some of these concerns and address them as well.

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The website despite the negatives is a means for Da῾wah to over 350 million users
We do not argue that it is a means for da῾wah and propagating the true teachings of Islām. However, we do take note that this noble work of da῾wah should not be tainted with impermissible modes. For example, it is a noble effort to bring the message of Islam to one and all, but that does not mean that we take this effort into the bars and pubs as well. The same people in the bars and pubs can be approached elsewhere.

While we invite towards the pristine religion of Islam, it is incumbent that we keep our actions in conformity with Dīn. While our Noble Prophet salallahu alayhi wasallam exerted his efforts to invite everyone towards the truth, He salallahu alayhi wasallam did not let down his guard and sit among the companies of fusāq and fujār (sinners) to carry out this work.
We iterate that this particular website is “a mean” of propagating Islam and not “the mean”.

There are numerous other ways were we can do the same work of Da῾wah without having to tolerate institutions and organization with a direct bias with Islam. The honour of a Muslim jolts him to shun away any such gathering and company that directly or indirectly reviles and belittles our Noble Prophet salallahu alayhi wasallam.

We also recall the action of Sahābi Sayiduna Abu Bakr radi allahu ῾anhu, when he was asked to stop reciting Quran in order to keep his amnesty among the Quraish. Sayiduna Abu Bakr radiallahu anhu shun away such amnesty and sought the amnesty of Allāh. We too desist ourselves from having the need of such a medium that has no respect for our Nabi salallahu alayhi wasallam. Allah’s religion is Haqq and will prevail with or without such means, hence we chose to make this effort through the means which are Shaī῾ah Compliant.

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It is possible to keep ones Facebook Islamic, and free of unislamic contents.
We do realize that those who are cautious of Allah’s laws can keep their pages free from un-islamic content, however we cannot risk the ummah to fall into this fitna merely because some people can uphold the restrictions of Islam. It has been established from experience that many Muslim users, including some Ahlul ῾ilm who have utilized Facebook, end up loosing recognizance of the laws of hijab, and have many non mahram and even non muslim women communicating in ways inappropriate for a muslim.

We must realize that every page or profile which is established attracts some followers. Over time it does not remain a status “wall”, rather it evolves into a hub inculcating different “friends” to get acquainted and becomes friends through it. That is the essence of a social networking website. Many people may keep their pages islamic, yet may be oblivious to the fact that how many of their followers in their “friends” list started their interaction with other non mahram sisters who were also listed in this person’s friend list. One may argue at length that the action of those “friends” remains their personal action, but we cannot overlook the fact that this hub was the initiating point for their haram interaction. Hence, he will be equally responsible for the haram that will come forth from his own page, whether he realizes it or not.

We cannot allow putting our ummah into such widespread fitna and then expect them to remain safe as well. As the proverbial saying goes, “The essence of fire is to burn, should it not find anything to burn, it will burn itself out.” The essence of every fitna is that it puts a person into a test. How unfortunate are those who put themselves into the fitna and then expect to survive without being tested. It is the duty of the ῾ulamā’ to safeguard the ummah from throwing themselves into these tests and then regret their own loss.

Our opposition to Facebook is also based on their active bias towards Muslims as we have explained before. In light of this we do not find any soft spot for Facebook.

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If we boycott Facebook, then we might as well boycott Youtube, Yahoo and Google.
With regards to Youtube, Yahoo, Google or any other website, we had categorically mentioned in our Fatwa, “…delete Facebook accounts and any other media that deems it acceptable to disrespect our beloved Rasoolullah sallallāhu alayhi wasallam and never to reactivate them again.

Obviously we will carry out appropriate diplomatic measures before resorting to boycotting these sites. Should other measures achieve the desired cooperation then we do not see a need for drastic steps. However, if any of these websites deem it acceptable to disrespect our beloved Rasulullah salallahu alayhi wasallam then we hold the same view of boycotting against them as well.

Having said that, we should point out that Youtube is a website for much fitna. The website is filled with movies, pictures and that is the sole reason for the website. Although some people use it for propagation, we feel that it should be avoided as much as possible.

We strongly advise your friends to reconsider their decision. The glory of Islām lays in the love for Allah and His Messenger salallahu alayhi wasallam.[11] Nabī salallahu alayhi wasallam cautioned the ummah from abstaining from doubtful because one who falls into the doubtful is bound to overstep into harām. If this is the case about doubtful issues, we should gauge the level of caution for the mediums which exposes us to so many vices and sin.

We end our advice with a link to the transcript of the talk of Muftī Taqī Uthmāni Sāheb. We hope that the information provided will help your friends to make a more informed decision about this menace. We ask Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta῾āla to guide us towards the correct understanding of Dīn and its implementation in the footsteps of His Rasūl salallahu alayhi wasallam, Amīn.

Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) on insulting caricatures of Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) & boycotting FaceBook

And Allāh Ta῾āla Knows Best
Wassalāmu ῾alaykum

Faisal bin Abdul Hamid,
Student, Madrasah In῾āmiyyah


Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Dārul Iftā, Madrasah In῾āmiyyah


[1] http://www.facebook.com/terms.php?ref=pf

[2] http://www.techxtramile.com/blog/2010/05/26/double-standards-facebook-violates-freedom-of-speech/

[3] ibid.

[4] "We strongly believe that Facebook users have the freedom to express their opinions, and we don't typically take down content, groups or pages that speak out against countries, religions, political entities, or ideas." – in a statement to AFP (Site accessed 14th July 2010 ) http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=nw20100520065609455C544747

[5] http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/muftiface.htm

[6]“ Under the new regime, Facebook treats that information — along with your name, profile picture, current city, gender, networks, and the pages that you are a "fan" of — as "publicly available information" or "PAI." Before, users were allowed to restrict access to much of that information. Now, however, those privacy options have been eliminated.” ( Site accessed 14th July 2010 ) http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/facebooks-new-privacy-changes-good-bad-and-ugly

[7] http://www.quitfacebookday.com/#why

[8] http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/facebook-rogue/

[9] “The researchers opened accounts with 16 social media sites and uploaded pictures. Then, 30 days later, they returned to see if the image URLs still contained the images. They found that 6 sites, including FaceBook, still had the images accessible.” (Site accessed 14th July 2010 ) http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009/05/21/facebook-keeps-your-deleted-pictures/

[10] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/facebook-does-not-erase-user-deleted-content/4808

[11]None of you is a believer till I am dearer to him than his child, his father and the whole of mankind” .(Muslim)
 
Salam

· The website does not offer any restriction in gender interaction. This means that it is very difficult to safeguard oneself or youth from interacting with a non mahram (strangers). Putting oneself in such danger is like intentionally stepping into Shaitan’s trap. Muftī Taqī Uthmāni Sāheb had mentioned this in his talk as well: “I don’t know but I have been informed that young boys and girls have been befriending each other through this site and the moral teachings of religion are being stampeded and trampled upon. So this site should be blocked and banned!”[5] This is exactly what we have observed as well.


wrong! it has a setting. Either you can block someone or restrict them.

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The website offers a poor security for private material. This has been an administrative concern for Facebook for quite some time now. Moreover their new privacy measures which claims to tackle these security issues suggests that many aspects of ones profile now becomes public information.[6] Focusing on such issues, other people including non Muslims, have been contemplating leaving Facebook.[7][8]

wrong! Again it have a setting and you can STILL make it extremely private. I just asked my sister whether the setting has changed and found out there is no changes. Why is this person who has written this article given false information?

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The website’s structure makes the user incapable to deleting information like pictures and videos permanently. This means that should you want to delete any impermissible picture, it will remain accessible through its direct link even after a month or so, and in some cases up to a year later.[9] [10]

Does this person not fear Allah (swt)....why on earth is this guy giving false information. If you have posted pictures and video on groups and on your profile, you are still able to delete it permanently. The link return the individual back to facebook homepage.


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The website also does not allow you to delete your own account. It follows a procedure of requesting a permanent delete, in which you submit a request which deactivates your account. The account still remains with Facebook and is only deleted permanently after 14 days of zero activity on the website. Furthermore, should there be any activity during these 14 days, the website automatically reinstates the account and the request for deletion is revoked.

Again does this individual not fear Allah (swt)? and are we now getting to point where we have lie to prevent people doing to certain website? Subhallah! Once you delete facebook, your friends and family no longer see your profile, you have disappeared. No one is able to access the profile. But you are able to return to it to activate it for at least 14 days. After that your profile is gone forever.


These were some of things that were wrong. This person obviously hasn't used the site and might have written what other people said. I stopped Facebook because of the poor control of the hate groups however the setting and privacy of facebook is really good. I understand why facebook cant control certain groups because the same idiots keep creating new ones. But I have notice they do delete hate groups especially towards Islam.

You say that was the best article written against facebook. I say it is the worse article written about facebook and full of false information. It is so obviously that this individual has not used facebook. As you dawah? When I used facebook, I corrected so many stupid misconception people had against Islam and Muslims in general. I know that there are some muslims that are still clearing up misconception by people. Again facebook is a tool, you can either use it or good or bad.
 
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Wa alaykum salam,

Done with the temper tantrum, sister? :)

Firstly, be careful of your words. Accusing someone of lying is in itself a sin. The safest option for you is to assume he is mistaken (husn al dhaan). No need to go far as assuming someone has no fear of Allah.

wrong! it has a setting. Either you can block someone or restrict them.
I believe from the words the mufti used, that he meant it in a wider scope. It may be that on the local scope users can choose who to have as friends but despite this, there is no gender based segregation. Hence haram is very easy to fall into.

Can you really disagree with this: "The website does not offer any restriction in gender interaction (if we assume he is talking about the absence of strict segregation). This means that it is very difficult to safeguard oneself or youth from interacting with a non mahram (strangers)." given the raging hormones youth have, coupled with constant bombardment via media of everything related to sex, coupled with the general lack of conscsiousness of Allah and taqwa?

“I don’t know but I have been informed that young boys and girls have been befriending each other through this site and the moral teachings of religion are being stampeded and trampled upon. So this site should be blocked and banned!” Can you also deny this? That there have been several thousand if not million cases where teens/adults have hooked up on FB?

wrong! Again it have a setting and you can STILL make it extremely private. I just asked my sister whether the setting has changed and found out there is no changes. Why is this person who has written this article given false information?
Did you bother to check the references used? [6,7,8]:

[6]“ Under the new regime, Facebook treats that information — along with your name, profile picture, current city, gender, networks, and the pages that you are a "fan" of — as "publicly available information" or "PAI." Before, users were allowed to restrict access to much of that information. Now, however, those privacy options have been eliminated.” ( Site accessed 14th July 2010 ) http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/facebooks-new-privacy-changes-good-bad-and-ugly

[7] http://www.quitfacebookday.com/#why

[8] http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/facebook-rogue/

Plenty of info there to suggest that privacy is indeed a legitimate concern. Sad that you would neglect this and in your fervour to defend something rush to condemnation and accusations.

Does this person not fear Allah (swt)....why on earth is this guy giving false information. If you have posted pictures and video on groups and on your profile, you are still able to delete it permanently. The link return the individual back to facebook homepage.
Again, look at refs [9,10], sister. Even I know this is true due to the numerous news articles that have come out regarding it, despite not being such an avid FB user.

Again does this individual not fear Allah (swt)? and are we now getting to point where we have lie to prevent people doing to certain website? Subhallah! Once you delete facebook, your friends and family no longer see your profile, you have disappeared. No one is able to access the profile. But you are able to return to it to activate it for at least 14 days. After that your profile is gone forever.
I challenge you to show me one statement of lie in that paragraph. Here is how I read it:

"The website also does not allow you to delete your own account." - If you use some sense, you can figure out that he meant you're not allowed delete it completely by the click of a button but have to follow this long complicated procedure. As he further goes on to elaborate upon.

"It follows a procedure of requesting a permanent delete, in which you submit a request which deactivates your account. The account still remains with Facebook and is only deleted permanently after 14 days of zero activity on the website. Furthermore, should there be any activity during these 14 days, the website automatically reinstates the account and the request for deletion is revoked." Show me what is incorrect about this?

You say that was the best article written against facebook. I say it is the worse article written about facebook and full of false information. It is so obviously that this individual has not used facebook. As you dawah? When I used facebook, I corrected so many stupid misconception people had against Islam and Muslims in general. I know that there are some muslims that are still clearing up misconception by people. Again facebook is a tool, you can either use it or good or bad.
The reason I hold that this is a good argument against FB is spelled out in the initial paragraphs of the article. Namely, related to the clear bias they show against Islam as apparent by the dishonour they showed our Prophet, peace be upon him. That is the most important reason and the one I would argue any muslim leave FB for. All the rest are secondary.

Please read the article with an unbiased and open mind.
 
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I doubt very many here remember the days when our telephone numbers were on a party line. I still remember our first phone the number was Oldfield-5493 ring 3 and we shared the line with the Gallaghers, the Mays, the Gingras's and the Petritus's.

How we could accidentally pick up other people's phone calls and how nosy Mrs. Gallagher would listen in on everybody's phone calls. Back then The telephone was very much like the facebook of today. A nice tool to use, but know and understand the limitations and how to secure your privacy and above all resist the temptation to eavesdrop in on other people.
 
Wa alaykum salam,

Done with the temper tantrum, sister? :)

Firstly, be careful of your words. Accusing someone of lying is in itself a sin. The safest option for you is to assume he is mistaken (husn al dhaan). No need to go far as assuming someone has no fear of Allah.

Where did I say he was lying? I said he was giving false information (which BTW i sill stand by) whether he did intentionally or not.
Oh sorry just notice yes I did say lie, actually meant give false information and talk out of ignorance

I believe from the words the mufti used, that he meant it in a wider scope. It may be that on the local scope users can choose who to have as friends but despite this, there is no gender based segregation. Hence haram is very easy to fall into.

Haram is easy to fall into if you are stupid enough not to use the setting and if you have the opposite sex as already "friends" and if you have bad friend on your list (which you can still control by restricting your profile or blocking them completely)

Can you really disagree with this: "The website does not offer any restriction in gender interaction (if we assume he is talking about the absence of strict segregation). This means that it is very difficult to safeguard oneself or youth from interacting with a non mahram (strangers)." given the raging hormones youth have, coupled with constant bombardment via media of everything related to sex, coupled with the general lack of conscsiousness of Allah and taqwa?

I have used facebook for FIVE YEARS. You are able to restrict your profile to certain people whether they are your friends or not. I have used this several times. Half of the people on my facebook cant see my pictures or information like my family can. Whether the individual chooses to talk to the opposite sex is up to them, but the setting is there to prevent it. I hardly see any advisement on facebook. It is up to the person to restrict their sites. Stop trying make life difficult for the youth. I started as a youth using facebook, I can safety say the setting is there for the youth to use .

“I don’t know but I have been informed that young boys and girls have been befriending each other through this site and the moral teachings of religion are being stampeded and trampled upon. So this site should be blocked and banned!” Can you also deny this? That there have been several thousand if not million cases where teens/adults have hooked up on FB?

so? thousands of youth can easily hook over the telephone....are you going to ban telephone now? Like I say over and over again facebook has a setting, it up to the parents and teenagers themselves to use that setting.

Did you bother to check the references used? [6,7,8]:

[6]“ Under the new regime, Facebook treats that information — along with your name, profile picture, current city, gender, networks, and the pages that you are a "fan" of — as "publicly available information" or "PAI." Before, users were allowed to restrict access to much of that information. Now, however, those privacy options have been eliminated.” ( Site accessed 14th July 2010 ) http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/facebooks-new-privacy-changes-good-bad-and-ugly

[7] http://www.quitfacebookday.com/#why

[8] http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/facebook-rogue/

Plenty of info there to suggest that privacy is indeed a legitimate concern. Sad that you would neglect this and in your fervour to defend something rush to condemnation and accusations.

I am speaking as a person that used facebook for five years. I should know the inside and out of facebook. Facebook has really good privacy setting, it up the individual to use it.

Again, look at refs [9,10], sister. Even I know this is true due to the numerous news articles that have come out regarding it, despite not being such an avid FB user.

Yeah I read them so? And you know what those news article contain? stupid teenagers that desperate enough to contact strangers and that hasn't used the privacy setting. What about the thousands of teenagers that do protect themselves like myself. Again Facebook does have a privacy setting, it up to the person to use it. You obviously are not aware of this setting.

I challenge you to show me one statement of lie in that paragraph. Here is how I read it:

"The website also does not allow you to delete your own account." - If you use some sense, you can figure out that he meant you're not allowed delete it completely by the click of a button but have to follow this long complicated procedure. As he further goes on to elaborate upon.


"It follows a procedure of requesting a permanent delete, in which you submit a request which deactivates your account. The account still remains with Facebook and is only deleted permanently after 14 days of zero activity on the website. Furthermore, should there be any activity during these 14 days, the website automatically reinstates the account and the request for deletion is revoked." Show me what is incorrect about this?

His information is still false! Once you deactivate your account, no one , not even your family can see it. so how on earth does that mean it "remains on facebook" when you yourself are the only person to activate your account otherwise no one on facebook can see your profile. It would have disappeared. your profile only returns if you decide to activate before 14 days. Again like I said it is up to the individual to whether they want their profile permanently deleted. The writer fails to mention any activity by the individual themselves not by facebook. I ask you a question how on EARTH does your profile still "remain" when no one can see your profile and members using it cant track you down and the comments you leave disappear and your family and friends cant access you profile. Basically you just disappeared. so what is wrong the procedure facebook has that suit both who choose to leave and those who choose to return?

The reason I hold that this is a good argument against FB is spelled out in the initial paragraphs of the article. Namely, related to the clear bias they show against Islam as apparent by the dishonour they showed our Prophet, peace be upon him. That is the most important reason and the one I would argue any muslim leave FB for. All the rest are secondary.

If you actually followed such groups then you would know that facebook deletes them and does somewhat control them. Like I said the same idiots will create another group. It all depends on whether the masses that report such groups.

Please read the article with an unbiased and open mind.

I still stand by my point. Facebook is a tool, it doesn't make anyone do something like this article states. It is your responsibility to use the setting and if you want to delete your profile again it is your responsibility to follow the procedure. Facebook has the setting and tools for halal uses.
 
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Truth can sound harsh when something has become part of one's everyday life. I don't blame those who go out of their way to defend facebook, or any other such social networking site.

If I wasn't aware of the problems with facebook; I'd probably be criticising anyone speaking against it.

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Truth can sound harsh when something has become part of one's everyday life. I don't blame those who go out of their way to defend facebook, or any other such social networking site.

If I wasn't aware of the problems with facebook; I'd probably be criticising anyone speaking against it.

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I don’t use facebook. I still stand by what I said.
I don’t join people that make everything in this world to be haram. Tell me where I have written that was not true? Does facebook not have a settling? Yes or no?
The only reason it becomes bad use is if you have bad friends, even so does facebook not allow you control that?
 
Facebook is nothing but Fitnah, so it should be avoided completely. For those who say they can control what they do and etc, look at it in this perspective. Why would you even use a website that allowed a disgraceful event against our Prophet:saws1: ? Even though that event never took place but it still has history of dirty pages against Islam. I would not even think about typing facebook on the url.
 
What about you stop using the internet then Ahmed....i mean there loads of anti islamic sites? why would you be on something like the internet that allows disgraceful event against out Prophet peace be upon him and our religion in general? Your argument can be applied to the internet so why are you on it? Just like internet cannot be controlled completely, it is the same with facebook. Thus I don't blame people that are still on it.

It is like people are trying to avoid installing responsibilities into their youths. They rather take everything away from play stations to the facebook. How about controlling facebook, playstations and install some schedule and responsibility toward the youth and children.

Play station: avoid violent games, rent or buy sport games then making sure they are only allowed certain days for certain time.

Internet; put the computer in the sitting room, explore privacy setting in social networking sites and use that setting and teach your youth to use it and to only contact same gender friends. Keep the computer in the sitting room so you are able to see what they do.

Go to education games for younger children and fun without violent again for certain days and time.

Stop trying to restrict everything completely.
 
What about you stop using the internet then Ahmed....i mean there loads of anti islamic sites? why would you be on something like the internet that allows disgraceful event against out Prophet peace be upon him and our religion in general? Your argument can be applied to the internet so why are you on it? Just like internet cannot be controlled completely, it is the same with facebook. Thus I don't blame people that are still on it.

It is like people are trying to avoid installing responsibilities into their youths. They rather take everything away from play stations to the facebook. How about controlling facebook, playstations and install some schedule and responsibility toward the youth and children.

Play station: avoid violent games, rent or buy sport games then making sure they are only allowed certain days for certain time.

Internet; put the computer in the sitting room, explore privacy setting in social networking sites and use that setting and teach your youth to use it and to only contact same gender friends. Keep the computer in the sitting room so you are able to see what they do.

Go to education games for younger children and fun without violent again for certain days and time.

Stop trying to restrict everything completely.

Internet in general can be used for great purposes Islamically and its a necessary tool in this time and age. Facebook rather is usually a leicure, in which people waste time and create fitnah among each other. Us muslims are ready to defend ourselves when being adviced or criticized on things that has doubts.
 
Internet in general can be used for great purposes Islamically and its a necessary tool in this time and age. Facebook rather is usually a leicure, in which people waste time and create fitnah among each other. Us muslims are ready to defend ourselves when being adviced or criticized on things that has doubts.


So? Facebook can be used Islamically as there are Islamic groups on facebook, you can post verse from Quran to non Muslim member in your friends list, you can talk to those that have misconceptions and clear those misconceptions. You can share Islamic events on facebook. I found facebook useful to contact and share information with family members that on the other side of the world including pictures. As for wasting your time, same thing can be said about the internet. Again it is your responsibility to control yourself whether you are on facebook or the internet in general. Facebook can used for many things including work rather than leisure.
 
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Facebook isn't the same as forums, email services or general websites. The internet isn't limited to facebook or similar sites.

As you've chosen to compare facebook to the rest of the internet, which you probably mean the web; let's look at email privacy. No matter what changes occur on the service host by the email providers; the privacy level doesn't fall, on facebook its known to fall, and has been a cause for concern for users in the past.

Emails can be phished, but using any conventional attack will not reveal your credentials, facebook's encryption is the best terms is complete rubbish. I'm sorry if this comes as a shock to you, but kids hack facebook accounts "all the time".

Emails can be checked for authenticity, the same cannot be said for anyone who adds your contact on facebook.

Next: Forums.
As I am making this post on LI, my IP, host, browser details are logged. This allows members of staff to check for web-bots and problematic users.
The same cannot always be said for facebook.

Although forums can be hacked, any information shared is at ones own risk. You shouldn't share personal information over the internet anyway; forums are for discussions, not for sharing personal information.

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What about you stop using the internet then Ahmed....i mean there loads of anti islamic sites? why would you be on something like the internet that allows disgraceful event against out Prophet peace be upon him and our religion in general? Your argument can be applied to the internet so why are you on it? Just like internet cannot be controlled completely, it is the same with facebook. Thus I don't blame people that are still on it.

It is like people are trying to avoid installing responsibilities into their youths. They rather take everything away from play stations to the facebook. How about controlling facebook, playstations and install some schedule and responsibility toward the youth and children.

Play station: avoid violent games, rent or buy sport games then making sure they are only allowed certain days for certain time.

Internet; put the computer in the sitting room, explore privacy setting in social networking sites and use that setting and teach your youth to use it and to only contact same gender friends. Keep the computer in the sitting room so you are able to see what they do.

Go to education games for younger children and fun without violent again for certain days and time.

Stop trying to restrict everything completely.

Asalamu Alekum

You are absolutely right sister, if we go on saying this is haram and this and this then we ll end up saying TV, telephones (as woodrow suggested), internet and playstation as you suggested etc are haram. Everything in life has good and bad, this is life and none can change it. Even in the Hereafter there is good and bad (Paradise and Hell).
It is up to us to choose the good from the bad and we can't just keep stopping everything that has bad in it, rather take the good and leave the bad.
To my brothers and sisters avoid being aggressive at everything or you ll end up being extremists.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said: “The extremist fanatics are doomed.”
So beware of falling in such a category.
Jazakum Allah khiir


 
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If you know anything about facebook; you must know its purpose is stated in their advert below.

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"Facebook helps you connect and share with the people in your life."

This sums up what I said about social networking and sharing personal information.

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It's like anything else, it depends on how you use it. Besides, it's a great social media tool - with many of our teachers using it such as Suhaib Webb, Muhammad AlShareef, and Abu Eesa and they're doing a lot of good with it, masha'Allaah. I don't see any problem in using it. If someone is going to mention its fitnah, they might as well apply the same ruling on the internet itself. It's not very different. So if you can keep yourself away from the bad stuff on the internet, you can do the same on facebook. There's no need to differentiate between the two. Muslims, especially those in the West need to be in tune with the social media of the day and age. If the individual is spiritually sound, he can keep himself away from whatever fitnah is found in life, not just on facebook.
 
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Facebook isn't the same as forums, email services or general websites. The internet isn't limited to facebook or similar sites.

As you've chosen to compare facebook to the rest of the internet, which you probably mean the web; let's look at email privacy. No matter what changes occur on the service host by the email providers; the privacy level doesn't fall, on facebook its known to fall, and has been a cause for concern for users in the past.

Emails can be phished, but using any conventional attack will not reveal your credentials, facebook's encryption is the best terms is complete rubbish. I'm sorry if this comes as a shock to you, but kids hack facebook accounts "all the time".

Emails can be checked for authenticity, the same cannot be said for anyone who adds your contact on facebook.

Next: Forums.
As I am making this post on LI, my IP, host, browser details are logged. This allows members of staff to check for web-bots and problematic users.
The same cannot always be said for facebook.

Although forums can be hacked, any information shared is at ones own risk. You shouldn't share personal information over the internet anyway; forums are for discussions, not for sharing personal information.

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You grossly underestimate the privacy setting on facebook.

Where do you get the idea that kids hack facebook ALL the time?

I and many people never ever had a problem with privacy on facebook. Tbh I just think you lot are sucking on straw.

And how do you think police track down criminal on facebook if same cannot be said for facebook?
 
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If you know anything about facebook; you must know its purpose is stated in their advert below.

facebook_1423117a-1.jpg


"Facebook helps you connect and share with the people in your life."

This sums up what I said about social networking and sharing personal information.

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I guess you missed with people in your life. Facebook allows you to choose who is in your life.

You know what if people choose not to be on facebook then fine. But you have no rights to criticise other people that choose to be on facebook. I choose not to be on facebook but I choose not to look down on those that choose to be on facebook. That is all I have to say.
 
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You grossly underestimate the privacy setting on facebook.

Where do you get the idea that kids hack facebook ALL the time?

I and many people never ever had a problem with privacy on facebook. Tbh I just you lot are sucking on straw.

And how do you think police track down criminal on facebook if same cannot be said for facebook?

The difference between hacking facebook and hacking accounts on it isn't a small one.

As for security on facebook, its not surprising to see that on news topics.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/160545/facebook_hit_by_five_security_problems_in_one_week.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1957...me_serious_privacy_and_security_problems.html
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/11/ye...scores-problems-with-instant-personalization/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7375772.stm
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2253720.ece

Old and new news, yet the problems reappear as if each case is looking at it for the first time. Many people have failed to learn from their mistakes; I'm not saying whether its halal or haram, I'm talking about security problems and the purpose of facebook.

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