Scientist find reamins of "giants" (Allah (swt) created Adam 60 cubits tall)

[S.Belle]

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of "Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adam, his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day

60 cubits= 90 feet !!!!!!!


so after reading this hadith I wondered this is the truth without a doubt......but where are the remains of these tall people and if they have been found why have not scientists made this as public as they have made dinosaur remains?
So i did some research and I was shocked please look!!!



(it does contain eerie sounds so mute if you dont want to hear)

According to a news report by a Russian newspaper Prauda on
Dec. 1, 2005, a group of Russian scientists lead by Ernst Muldashev has
been investigating the existence of giants in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt
since the beginning of 2005 and made major discoveries. Russian
researchers have reportedly discovered the footprints of giants in
Syria and even graves of gigantic people

Ernst Muldashev gave several examples of giants' graves that the team
has found. One is the grave of Abel, located in the vicinity of
Damascus, the capital of Syria. The grave was about 6 meters long and
1.8 meters wide. There are many giant's graves in other places of
Syria, and one of which was alleged to be the grave of a 7.5-meter man.

The Russian scientists' discovery is not isolated. In both eastern and
western cultures, besides legends, there are also many historical
records about giants in every nation. Archaeological discovery in
recent years have also supported that.
According to June 2, 2005 report of Thai Travel Guide,
the Dec. 26, 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean sent an ancient giant to
the surface of water. A 3.1-meter giant's body was found in Thailand PP
Island. Evidence from multiple archaeological discoveries in America in
recent years has shown that giants 3 to 5 meters tall did exist in
history.

What's interesting is, besides giants, archaeologists have also
discovered that many giant animals existed in the past. BBC.com
reported on Dec. 1, 2005, that researchers discovered a giant water
scorpion, about 1.6 meters long and 1 meter wide. The investigation
shows that it lived more than 330 million years ago.

[CosmicPathos]

Sister, these are fake pictures. No such skeletons have been found, its a myth purported by people who lie! and Islam has no place to accept lies.

[Tyrion]

Pretty sure these are fake. :p

[S.Belle]

ok ok bros even if these photos are fake how come scientists havent found the remains of huge skeletons and if they have I wonder why they are not sharing the news with the public like they do dinosaurs

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[FS123]

We don't really need these things to strengthen our imaan. Neither Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) nor Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) needed these, yet those are best examples of the best imaan.

As for the signs, following verse might be relevant:

Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.

(Quran 2:164)

Perhaps, best signs are always right in front of us :)

PS: sis, this post is not meant to be critical, if it sounds that way, then I apologize.

Regards,

[S.Belle]

We don't really need these things to strengthen our imaan. Neither Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) nor Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) needed these, yet those are best examples of the best imaan.

As for the signs, following verse might be relevant:


Perhaps, best signs are always right in front of us :)

PS: sis, this post is not meant to be critical, if it sounds that way, then I apologize.

Regards,

No u are just giving you opinion it is fine I understand what you are saying but I am just wondering where are the skeletons..lol.
That hadith is true and I believe it but how come scientists aren't sharing (if they have found them....u know what I mean..??)

[FS123]

ok ok bros even if these photos are fake how come scientists havent found the remains of huge skeletons and if they have I wonder why they are not sharing the news with the public like they do dinosaurs

Well they are fake, originally they came from a photoshop competition somewhere between 2003 and 2005, I don't know the exact date. As for the skeletons, Quran doesn't mention the height of Adam (pbuh), which is the infallible source in Islam. It is mentioned in the hadiths, which is subject to interpretation and authentication issues.

But lets say for example, we assume the hadith is true, it may not be possible to find his remains because it will be like search needle in a hay stack. Dinasours were numbered in millions and thus their bones are easier to find by chance. But in desert that is much more difficult, hence, in middle east dino remains are rarely found. Sand berry them deep, so if Adam (pbuh) was in that area or his immediate progeny then chances are very dim. But there is a giant foot on a hill of sri lanka, which may or may not belong to Adam (pbuh) and using the size of that foot measure height, it will come between 16 to 20 feet.

[S.Belle]

Oh bro no I'm not talking about finding the remains of Adam i am talking about the remains of the skeletons that came after him

his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day

^^ that sounds like it is saying (correct me if I am wrong) that the offspring of Adam was extremelly tall, and over time the size of his offspring decreased
so if that is true wouldnt they find remains that are talller than the average human height today?
and brother I have read this hadith many many times it seems authentic and not weak

[FS123]

Oh bro no I'm not talking about finding the remains of Adam i am talking about the remains of the skeletons that came after him

his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day

^^ that sounds like it is saying (correct me if I am wrong) that the offspring of Adam was extremelly tall, and over time the size of his offspring decreased
so if that is true wouldnt they find remains that are talller than the average human height today?
and brother I have read this hadith many many times it seems authentic and not weak

Miniaturization can happen very fast as observed in dinos; it can take few generations. So depending on the rate of change, location, and size of population; it can be difficult to find as I explained previously.

"I have read this hadith many many times it seems authentic and not weak"
That is debatable, authentic doesn't necessarily mean free of fault. But I don't want to get into this debate, different scholars in the past have different opinion on the issue. The only religious source that is free from fault 100% is Quran, i think we can agree on that.

[marwen]

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of "Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adam, his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day

:sl:
I just want to understand, what does the underlined part mean.

And please, if it's possible, can someone mention how strong is this hadeeth (sahih, weak, etc.)

J.A.K

[S.Belle]

What Does The Narration “Allah created Adam In His/his Image” Mean?
Question: I have heard a hadtih mentioned several times but not sure about its authenticity and meaning. The hadith mentions that Allah (swt) created Man in his image (or in the image of his face). Can you please explain this?
Answer: Walaikum assalam
I pray you are well and in the best of health.
The hadith “Allah created Adam in His/his image (`ala suratihi)” was narrated from Abu Hurayrah by both Bukhari and Muslim. To understand this narration, one must first recall a fundamental aspect of Islamic belief, namely the transcendence of Allah Most High and His complete dissimilitude from created things. This is decisively conveyed within the Qur’an itself when it states, “There is nothing whatsoever like Him,” (42: 11) and also by the foremost theological texts of our tradition.
Therefore, the scholars looked at the Qur’anic verses and prophetic traditions that outwardly indicated similitude between Allah and created things in the backdrop of this principle. In respect to the narrative in question, as well as similar narratives, the scholars had two approaches:
1. Confining the meaning to Allah Most High,
2. Interpreting the outwardly problematic part of the text in a suitable and methodologically sound manner.
Among the interpretations that the scholars gave for this narrative were:
1. That the word “image” here refers to “attributes”, such as hearing, seeing, knowledge, and so forth. Thus, Adam (Allah bless him) was created possessing attributes that Allah has also described Himself with, although the attributes of the former, as is evident, are contingent and relative while the attributes of Allah are eternal and absolute.
2. That the word “image” is understood based on another variant of this narration, narrated by Imam Muslim, whereby the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) said, “When one of you attacks [or “strikes” as per another narration] his brother then avoid his face for Allah created Adam in his image.” The attached particle “his” is interpreted as referring back to “brother” and not to “Allah”.
3. That what is meant by Adam (Allah bless him) being created in “his image” is a direct creation that did not take place through the passage of embryological stages. Further, it indicates that Adam (Allah bless him) was characterized by the same “image” or form on earth as he was in paradise, without any change until his death.
[Bajuri, Tuhfat al-Murid; Bayhaqi, Kitab al-Asma’ wa’l Sifat]
And Allah alone knows best
Wasalam
Salman

source
http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/...is-image-mean/

[marwen]

^ good explanation. Jazakum Allahu Khayran sister.

[CosmicPathos]

Well they are fake, originally they came from a photoshop competition somewhere between 2003 and 2005, I don't know the exact date. As for the skeletons, Quran doesn't mention the height of Adam (pbuh), which is the infallible source in Islam. It is mentioned in the hadiths, which is subject to interpretation and authentication issues.

But lets say for example, we assume the hadith is true, it may not be possible to find his remains because it will be like search needle in a hay stack. Dinasours were numbered in millions and thus their bones are easier to find by chance. But in desert that is much more difficult, hence, in middle east dino remains are rarely found. Sand berry them deep, so if Adam (pbuh) was in that area or his immediate progeny then chances are very dim. But there is a giant foot on a hill of sri lanka, which may or may not belong to Adam (pbuh) and using the size of that foot measure height, it will come between 16 to 20 feet.

do you know that Quran has reached us in the same way just like hadith has reached us? Through multiple narrations of transmissions? If you want to reject all ahadith, you have to logically reject the authenticity of Quran too.

[FS123]

do you know that Quran has reached us in the same way just like hadith has reached us? Through multiple narrations of transmissions? If you want to reject all ahadith, you have to logically reject the authenticity of Quran too.

How did you reached that conclusion that i reject all hadith? I simply don't see them equal to Quran for two main reasons:
(1) Allah has declared Quran as the furqan.
(2) Allah has promised to protect Quran and not any other religious source. I've complete faith in the promise of Allah. Doesn't mean I reject other source, just that I'm cautious with them.

Lastly, it is not the same for Quran. Quran was completed and compiled directly under Prophet Mohammad (pbuh); Prophet (pbuh) on the last Ramadan recited the complete Quran 2 times; Quran has rhythm and poetic form which makes it easier to memorize; and complete Quran is much shorter than all the text for hadith even in just one 1 hadith book, for example, sahih bukhari.

Process of transmission is not exactly same, details makes it different.

[CosmicPathos]

How did you reached that conclusion that i reject all hadith? I simply don't see them equal to Quran for two main reasons:
(1) Allah has declared Quran as the furqan.
(2) Allah has promised to protect Quran and not any other religious source. I've complete faith in the promise of Allah. Doesn't mean I reject other source, just that I'm cautious with them.

Lastly, it is not the same for Quran. Quran was completed and compiled directly under Prophet Mohammad (pbuh); Prophet (pbuh) on the last Ramadan recited the complete Quran 2 times; Quran has rhythm and poetic form which makes it easier to memorize; and complete Quran is much shorter than all the text for hadith even in just one 1 hadith book, for example, sahih bukhari.

Process of transmission is not exactly same, details makes it different.

In the very Quran that you call Furqaan, Allah has also told us to follow the Prophet. How can you follow the Prophet by just reading the Quran? Hadith is a necessity in order to know what Prophet did, and by inference, necessary for us to follow him (pbuh).

Regarding how I know that you rejected the hadith, this hadith of adam being tall is a saheeh hadith. if you are rejecting a saheeh hadith, it appears you reject all saheeh hadith.

[FS123]

In the very Quran that you call Furqaan, Allah has also told us to follow the Prophet. How can you follow the Prophet by just reading the Quran? Hadith is a necessity in order to know what Prophet did, and by inference, necessary for us to follow him (pbuh).

This will go around in circles, so here is the heart of the matter? Do you consider saheeh hadith infallible too?

Regarding how I know that you rejected the hadith, this hadith of adam being tall is a saheeh hadith. if you are rejecting a saheeh hadith, it appears you reject all saheeh hadith.

Interesting logic, but false. I already explained in previous post.

[Snowflake]

What Does The Narration “Allah created Adam In His/his Image” Mean?
Question: I have heard a hadtih mentioned several times but not sure about its authenticity and meaning. The hadith mentions that Allah (swt) created Man in his image (or in the image of his face). Can you please explain this?
Answer: Walaikum assalam
I pray you are well and in the best of health.
The hadith “Allah created Adam in His/his image (`ala suratihi)” was narrated from Abu Hurayrah by both Bukhari and Muslim. To understand this narration, one must first recall a fundamental aspect of Islamic belief, namely the transcendence of Allah Most High and His complete dissimilitude from created things. This is decisively conveyed within the Qur’an itself when it states, “There is nothing whatsoever like Him,” (42: 11) and also by the foremost theological texts of our tradition.
Therefore, the scholars looked at the Qur’anic verses and prophetic traditions that outwardly indicated similitude between Allah and created things in the backdrop of this principle. In respect to the narrative in question, as well as similar narratives, the scholars had two approaches:
1. Confining the meaning to Allah Most High,
2. Interpreting the outwardly problematic part of the text in a suitable and methodologically sound manner.
Among the interpretations that the scholars gave for this narrative were:
1. That the word “image” here refers to “attributes”, such as hearing, seeing, knowledge, and so forth. Thus, Adam (Allah bless him) was created possessing attributes that Allah has also described Himself with, although the attributes of the former, as is evident, are contingent and relative while the attributes of Allah are eternal and absolute.
2. That the word “image” is understood based on another variant of this narration, narrated by Imam Muslim, whereby the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) said, “When one of you attacks [or “strikes” as per another narration] his brother then avoid his face for Allah created Adam in his image.” The attached particle “his” is interpreted as referring back to “brother” and not to “Allah”.
3. That what is meant by Adam (Allah bless him) being created in “his image” is a direct creation that did not take place through the passage of embryological stages. Further, it indicates that Adam (Allah bless him) was characterized by the same “image” or form on earth as he was in paradise, without any change until his death.
[Bajuri, Tuhfat al-Murid; Bayhaqi, Kitab al-Asma’ wa’l Sifat]
And Allah alone knows best
Wasalam
Salman

source
http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/...is-image-mean/

Jazakillah khayr. That explains the image. But then what about the length? Na udhu billah. Surely that is wrong.


Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits,

[FS123]

Jazakillah khayr. That explains the image. But then what about the length? Na udhu billah. Surely that is wrong.


Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His own image with His length of sixty cubits,

IMO, it could be wrong or it could be right. None of us were there, rather then saying it right or wrong, I prefer to stay neutral over this issue. Second, there is the issue of interpretation, it could be figurative.

[Snowflake]

IMO, it could be wrong or it could be right. None of us were there, rather then saying it right or wrong, I prefer to stay neutral over this issue. Second, there is the issue of interpretation, it could be figurative.

We can definitely say it's wrong in the sense of our understanding of measurements. Allah's Throne alone extends over the heavens and earth (ayatul Kursi). Perhaps there was a mistake made in the typing, and the word 'His' should have been 'his' referring to Adam, not Allah.

[FS123]

We can definitely say it's wrong in the sense of our understanding of measurements. Allah's Throne alone extends over the heavens and earth (ayatul Kursi). Perhaps there was a mistake made in the typing, and the word 'His' should have been 'his' referring to Adam, not Allah.

Yup.


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[titus]

Bones can decompose in a matter of years, or survive for millions depending on the conditions (type of soil, amount of moisture, types of fauna, etc.). If Adam did exist and was as tall as you believe it is most likely that his bones do not exist whole any more.