format_quote Originally Posted by
YusufNoor
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the politicians in the country are responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Muslims and other innocent people throughout the world. are you looking to participate in their evil? is it that you desire a share of their punishment in the Akhira?
or are you wanting to hitch your camel to the democratic party and work for "gay, lesbian and trans-gender" rights, long term abortion and the eventual banning of religion?
if the Prophet, pbuh, wanted us to work for "universal healthcare, better and more competitive public education and taxing those oil corporations," then he would have informed us.
we should be desiring the Shariah of Allah and propagating Islam.
many scholars will tell you that it is haram to participate in US politics. others will tell you it is OK to vote for the "lessor of 2 evils"
just how much evil do you want to be responsible for on Judgment Day?
do you have hassanats to spare?
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format_quote Originally Posted by
Ummu Sufyaan
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imo, being involved any any sort of politics that does not conform to the quran and sunnah (and yes, i include any type of political party that may exist in Muslim controlled countries) can equal danger to your iman becuase it may entail you to go against the shariah in one way or another.
i dont believe that you can fully and properly implement the shariah or properly practice your iman being apart of a political party (in the west and some countries in the east at-least where no-on really cares which Muslim gets thrown in a dungeon and doesn't get properly trialled). there will always be something that you have to do that may compromise your iman. this is becuase your loyalty will lay either with Islam or anything that opposes it and politics run by other than what islam calls for, may pose a threat to your loyalty towards islam.
See, you guys are portraying exactly the opposite of what I'm trying to explain.
Brother Yusuf, you mentioned gay rights. You don't need to pick a side, Dem or Rep. RATHER, you just form coalitions for or against your opinion on specific political issues.
Like you mentioned gay rights: You may stand against it. That doesn't mean you have to hitch a bandwagon. That's the misconception people have these days: that by enjoining in politics, you have to enjoin it ENTIRELY.
What I am trying to say is that certain things we SHOULD be involved in. I'm not saying we all go out there and rally in the streets. I'm saying we attend city hall meetings, within our own locality, and enjoin our city as loyal residents. We can discuss the social services for our children.
Politics also includes having bake sales to provide updated textbooks, better materials, more useful resources for our children to study in the public schools. It includes providing proper medical care for those less fortunate in our city. It includes volunteering at the senior citizen center and promoting a friendly environment.
What I am trying to say is that as Muslims, we SHOULD be involved in these type of acts. Otherwise, people think we're in our own shells.
For example, at my local Mosque during Ramadan, this non-Muslim woman came in with not-so-modest clothing. The sisters told her she wasn't wearing proper clothing in a very harsh manner and she left. This is highly disappointing, IMO.
@ Sister Ummu Sufyaan: I respect your opinion, as always. But I'm not saying you have to accept it ENTIRELY. You can fight for the rights which are conforming with Shari'ah. That way, you CAN gradually implement the Islamic law into a Western country without necessarily calling it the "Shari'ah." Does that make sense?
I hope I'm not coming off rude. It's actually a discussion moreso for my own benefit. I guess when I made this thread, I just got out of Political Science class and was pumped up with the discussions lol. Felt like the President of the US for a second.