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Perseveranze
10-18-2010, 11:20 PM
Salaam, I am trying to learn more about my Religion.

I am having some problems regarding anger/hatred and I'm smart enough to realise that it's wrong. I mean, an example is like the stuff that's happening in Palestine, innocent people/muslims dying, it annoys me alot. It fills anger which can turn to hate, I have seen how hate can blind a person, like some people would blame/hate on all Jews for whats happening in Palestine, which I don't think is right.

Anyways, I wanted to know what Islam says about this kind of stuff. What was it like for Muhammed (pbuh), did he ever get angry/hated things, idol worship or anything? Is there a hadith/quran passage that speaks hate/anger?

Thank you for reading.
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Woodrow
10-19-2010, 02:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze
Salaam, I am trying to learn more about my Religion.

I am having some problems regarding anger/hatred and I'm smart enough to realise that it's wrong. I mean, an example is like the stuff that's happening in Palestine, innocent people/muslims dying, it annoys me alot. It fills anger which can turn to hate, I have seen how hate can blind a person, like some people would blame/hate on all Jews for whats happening in Palestine, which I don't think is right.

Anyways, I wanted to know what Islam says about this kind of stuff. What was it like for Muhammed (pbuh), did he ever get angry/hated things, idol worship or anything? Is there a hadith/quran passage that speaks hate/anger?

Thank you for reading.
:sl:

I could probably spend several hours typing a reply for this. But, I won't I will just address a few points. what you see is not so much hate as acts of desperation by a people who have lost everything in the past 50 years and today live as virtual prisoners in there own homeland.

I live among the Lakotah Nation here in the Dakotas, Montana and Wyoming. What I see happening in Palestine is not much different than what happened to the Lakotah Nation. The only difference is the Lakotah have now been so decimated and their past so destroyed, they no longer have the ability to fight. Yet, I do know some people such as the Warrior Clan and the Ghost Dancers who will fight anytime they have any weapon to do so. Last time was in 1973. To see the desperation and sad living conditions among the Palestinians, it is understandable they would hate everybody who they view as invaders and oppressors. Not necessarily right, but very understandable and should be expected. Even a mouse will bite if you mistreat it.

I do not believe the Prophet(PBUH) ever hated anybody as a person, but did hate unjust acts and betrayal of treaties. The Battle of Badr, in the Ahadith (aHadith is the plural of Hadith) is a good example of warfare and the reason this came to be.

The following is from a collection of Ahadith I have on my PC I lost track of where I downloaded it from:

Hadith Sahih Muslim:

313

Narrated 'Urwa: On the day of (the battle) of Al-Yarmuk, the companions of Allah's Apostle said to Az-Zubair, "Will you attack the enemy so that we shall attack them with you?" Az-Zubair replied, "If I attack them, you people would not support me." They said, "No, we will support you." So Az-Zubair attacked them (i.e. Byzantine) and pierced through their lines, and went beyond them and none of his companions was with him. Then he returned and the enemy got hold of the bridle of his (horse) and struck him two blows (with the sword) on his shoulder. Between these two wounds there was a scar caused by a blow, he had received on the day of Badr (battle). When I was a child I used to play with those scars by putting my fingers in them. On that day (my brother) "Abdullah bin Az-Zubair was also with him and he was ten years old. Az-Zubair had carried him on a horse and let him to the care of some men.

314

Narrated Abu Talha: On the day of Badr, the Prophet ordered that the corpses of twenty four leaders of Quraish should be thrown into one of the dirty dry wells of Badr. (It was a habit of the Prophet that whenever he conquered some people, he used to stay at the battle-field for three nights. So, on the third day of the battle of Badr, he ordered that his she-camel be saddled, then he set out, and his companions followed him saying among themselves." "Definitely he (i.e. the Prophet) is proceeding for some great purpose." When he halted at the edge of the well, he addressed the corpses of the Quraish infidels by their names and their fathers' names, "O so-and-so, son of so-and-so and O so-and-so, son of so-and-so! Would it have pleased you if you had obeyed Allah and His Apostle? We have found true what our Lord promised us. Have you too found true what your Lord promised you? "'Umar said, "O Allah's Apostle! You are speaking to bodies that have no souls!" Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is, you do not hear, what I say better than they do." (Qatada said, "Allah brought them to life (again) to let them hear him, to reprimand them and slight them and take revenge over them and caused them to feel remorseful and regretful.")

315

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: regarding the Statement of Allah:--"Those who have changed Allah's Blessings for disbelief..." (14.28) The people meant here by Allah, are the infidels of Quraish. ('Amr, a sub-narrator said, "Those are (the infidels of) Quraish and Muhammad is Allah's Blessing. Regarding Allah's Statement:"..and have led their people Into the house of destruction? (14.29) Ibn 'Abbas said, "It means the Fire they will suffer from (after their death) on the day of Badr."

316

Narrated Hisham's father: It was mentioned before 'Aisha that Ibn 'Umar attributed the following statement to the Prophet "The dead person is punished in the grave because of the crying and lamentation Of his family." On that, 'Aisha said, "But Allah's Apostle said, 'The dead person is punished for his crimes and sins while his family cry over him then." She added, "And this is similar to the statement of Allah's Apostle when he stood by the (edge of the) well which contained the corpses of the pagans killed at Badr, 'They hear what I say.' She added, "But he said now they know very well what I used to tell them was the truth." 'Aisha then recited: 'You cannot make the dead hear.' (30.52) and 'You cannot make those who are in their Graves, hear you.' (35.22) that is, when they had taken their places in the (Hell) Fire.

317

Narrated Ibn Umar: The Prophet stood at the well of Badr (which contained the corpses of the pagans) and said, "Have you found true what your lord promised you?" Then he further said, "They now hear what I say." This was mentioned before 'Aisha and she said, "But the Prophet said, 'Now they know very well that what I used to tell them was the truth.' Then she recited (the Holy Verse):-- "You cannot make the dead hear... ...till the end of Verse)." (30.52)

318

Narrated Anas: Haritha was martyred on the day (of the battle) of Badr, and he was a young boy then. His mother came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! You know how dear Haritha is to me. If he is in Paradise, I shall remain patient, and hope for reward from Allah, but if it is not so, then you shall see what I do?" He said, "May Allah be merciful to you! Have you lost your senses? Do you think there is only one Paradise? There are many Paradises and your son is in the (most superior) Paradise of Al-Firdaus."

319

Narrated 'Ali: Allah's Apostle sent me, Abu Marthad and Az-Zubair, and all of us were riding horses, and said, "Go till you reach Raudat-Khakh where there is a pagan woman carrying a letter from Hatib bin Abi Balta' a to the pagans of Mecca." So we found her riding her camel at the place which Allah's Apostle had mentioned. We said (to her),"(Give us) the letter." She said, "I have no letter." Then we made her camel kneel down and we searched her, but we found no letter. Then we said, "Allah's Apostle had not told us a lie, certainly. Take out the letter, otherwise we will strip you naked." When she saw that we were determined, she put her hand below her waist belt, for she had tied her cloak round her waist, and she took out the letter, and we brought her to Allah's Apostle Then 'Umar said, "O Allah's Apostle! (This Hatib) has betrayed Allah, His Apostle and the believers! Let me cut off his neck!" The Prophet asked Hatib, "What made you do this?" Hatib said, "By Allah, I did not intend to give up my belief in Allah and His Apostle but I wanted to have some influence among the (Mecca) people so that through it, Allah might protect my family and property. There is none of your companions but has some of his relatives there through whom Allah protects his family and property." The Prophet said, "He has spoken the truth; do no say to him but good." 'Umar said, "He as betrayed Allah, His Apostle and the faithful believers. Let me cut off his neck!" The Prophet said, "Is he not one of the Badr warriors? May be Allah looked at the Badr warriors and said, 'Do whatever you like, as I have granted Paradise to you, or said, 'I have forgiven you."' On this, tears came out of Umar's eyes, and he said, "Allah and His Apostle know better."

320

Narrated Usaid: On the day of Badr, Allah's Apostle said to us, "When the enemy comes near to you, shoot at them but use your arrows sparingly (so that your arrows should not be wasted)."

321

Narrated Abu Usaid: On the day of (the battle of) Badr, Allah's Apostle said to us, "When your enemy comes near to you (i.e. overcome you by sheer number), shoot at them but use your arrows sparingly."

322

Narrated Al-Bara' bin 'Azib: On the day of Uhud the Prophet appointed 'Abdullah bin Jubair as chief of the archers, and seventy among us were injured and martyred. On the day (of the battle) of Badr, the Prophet and his companions had inflicted 140 casualties on the pagans, 70 were taken prisoners, and 70 were killed. Abu Sufyan said, "This is a day of (revenge) for the day of Badr and the issue of war is undecided ."



Sahih Muslim gives 465 Ahadith describing Military expedition Muhammad(PBUH) participated in They all give a similar message to what I quoted.

What I learn from this is that as Muslims we are not to blindly hate, but we should protect ourselves and not be afraid to do battle with the wrong doers. We are also to treat our enemies justly and give them opportunity to surrender and not harm them if they repent.
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Perseveranze
10-21-2010, 11:03 PM
:sl:

Thank you for the well informed reply. So is it to say that hate/anger is understandable depending on the situation, however we should never do it blindly?

I do understand the concept of fighting to protect yourself/religion.
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Yanal
10-24-2010, 06:55 PM
Walakum asalam,

Anger is a secret weapon of man to ward of evils but sometimes it results into the destruction of many nobel qualities,it snatches away the wisdom of man and thus he becomes a brute beast devoid of any sense.Anger is lawful in case of religious affairs when its honour is at stake.It is an effective preventive measure to safeguard the dignity of man.Extreme anger is unlawful in Islaam because it creates opposition and bitterness,it is undersirable for the pious man to lose his temper due to jokes,frivolous talks,quarrels,criticism and greed for wealth.The real strenght of a man lies in controlling his wrath.It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira(Alllaah be pleased with him) that Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said : " The strong man is not the good wrestlerlthe strong man is infact,he who controls himself at the time of anger."(Bukhari)

Anger is also unlawful because it detroys the faith of a man.Bahz bin Hakim(Allaah be pleased wth him) reported that Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon himj) said: " Verily anger spoils faith just as aloes spoil honey."(Bukhari)It is a matter of great reward to control ones anger,.

-insha'Allaah I will elaborate on this soon.
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M.I.A.
10-31-2010, 06:37 PM
above all things is god and if you turn to fight or forgive, what happens after that is with god.
there are people quick to anger and there are those that are frightened by violence... we are made as we are and we serve as we are.. and our ends will be as we are.
the reward is with allah and each person will have there own.

note, none of us are constant in character.. thats probably the beauty of it.
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Tyrion
11-02-2010, 08:05 AM
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Sigma
01-25-2011, 08:27 PM
Someone made a post about this on Islamic Life. Hatred is such a strong emotion but the hatred we know in the English language and the Hatred talked about in the Qur'an are different I feel. When "Hating" something for Allah. We do not hate it in the conventional sense.
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Eric H
01-25-2011, 09:16 PM
Greetings and peace be with you Tyrion, thanks for the video, it was very profound, and I can relate to all that was said, even though I am Christian. I truthfully believe we can learn from each other. And sorry, but I can't give you any reps at the moment.

Here are a few quotes that relate to the dangers of anger…..



No man can think clearly when his fists are
clenched.
-- George Jean Nathan.



“Anyone who angers you conquers you


Anger is what makes a clear mind seem
clouded.
-- Kazi Shams.



Two things a man should never be angry at:
what he can help, and what he cannot help.
-- Thomas Fuller.

When a man is wrong and won't admit is, he
always gets angry.
-- Thomas Haliburton.

There was never an angry man that thought
his anger unjust.
-- St. Francis De Sales.





It is wise to direct your anger towards problems -- not people; to focus your energies on answers -- not excuses.”


“Anger is only one letter short of danger”

Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame.

Anger will never disappear so long as thoughts of resentment are cherished in the mind. Anger will disappear just as soon as thoughts of resentment are forgotten.”

For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.”

The angry people are those people who are most afraid”


If you are patient in one moment of anger, you
will escape a hundred days of sorrow.
-- Chinese Proverb.

Anger, if not restrained, is frequently more
hurtful to us than the injury that provokes it.
-- Seneca.

The greatest remedy for anger is delay.
-- Seneca.

Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal
with the intent of throwing it at someone else;
you are the one who gets burned.
-- Buddha.

People who fly into a rage always make a bad
landing.
-- Will Rogers.

Speak when you are angry and you will make
the best speech you will ever regret.
-- Ambrose Bierce.

Consider how much more you often suffer
from your anger and grief, than from those
very things for which you are angry and
grieved.
-- Marcus Antonius.


How much more grievous are the
consequences of anger than the causes of it.
-- Marcus Aurelius.



• Mahatma Gandhi
“The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.”

• Martin Luther King
“Forgiveness is not an occasional act. It is a permanent attitude."


In the spirit of seeking to forgive all transgressions, and to search for an inner peace that transcends all understanding.

Eric
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Muhammad Aseem
03-27-2011, 02:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze
Salaam, I am trying to learn more about my Religion.

I am having some problems regarding anger/hatred and I'm smart enough to realise that it's wrong. I mean, an example is like the stuff that's happening in Palestine, innocent people/muslims dying, it annoys me alot. It fills anger which can turn to hate, I have seen how hate can blind a person, like some people would blame/hate on all Jews for whats happening in Palestine, which I don't think is right.

Anyways, I wanted to know what Islam says about this kind of stuff. What was it like for Muhammed (pbuh), did he ever get angry/hated things, idol worship or anything? Is there a hadith/quran passage that speaks hate/anger?

Thank you for reading.
Hate the KUFR not the KAFIR brother - because every KAFIR is an potential muslim scholar.
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