Modern Art

Art or not art?

Personally I think it shows no talent at all. In my local art gallery recently there was a blue square....how much did the artist get for something a small child could achieve? Then they make up stuff to say it represents this and that. It's like a group of people standing in a room making up rubbish about a few blobs of paint, each trying to sound intellectual when really they haven't got a clue what they're talking about. Proof of this is they put paintingc by a five yeard old and an elephant in a gallery and people managed to find meanings and discussed how fantastic the art was. :heated: Real talent is of portraits and landscapes that actually show a picture. It's just easy money for laziness. The unmade bed and glass of water, how can they justify that as art????? Come round my house just after I get up in the mornings and pay me thousands to look at my bed then.

I really really hate modern art. I don't know if you can tell at all.

Oh, we can tell.

For the most part I sort of agree with you, though perhaps not for entirely the same reasons. I do find that some Jackson Pollock paintings have an emotional vibe to them that gets to me--for instance, I wouldn't mind waking up to the sight of the energetic-looking "Autumn Rhythm" on my wall--but I don't see how there could be much to say on the matter. You can't exactly discuss or debate such a thing. Either it gives you a vibe or it doesn't. Artistic meaning is inherently subjective, and anything could be read into any work. The way I feel about it is, regardless of what may or may not be intended in an artwork, a painting or sculpture should ideally be as much a labor of the hands as it is of the mind. I am not particularly interested in whether it “makes sense” to anyone; I don’t accept that argument when people use it as a criticism of David Lynch films and I don’t accept it here. Again, the meaning of an artwork is subjective and sometimes purely emotional or intuitive. But yes, when frauds can so easily slip into your midst without being noticed, even when they’re displaying the work of five-year-olds, you’d be a fool not to admit that something is amiss. A man won a prize for an exhibit of lights being turned on and off. This is not good.

The minimalistic concept behind modern art is the kind of thing that must be done sparingly and occasionally if it is to be done at all, and is less and less useful the less and less novelty there still is to it. To make an entire “genre” or career out of it is like making a career of filming movies in which nothing happens but people sitting in a chair and coughing, or walking in circles around a park. The first time or two such a thing could conceivably be seen as a witty or even useful sort of statement; after that, it’s just annoying and ineffectual.

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Modern art is all too often a misnomer as much of it is not art but blatant commercialization to make fast money.

All schools of art were called modern art when they came out. Monet and Cezzane's work received much critiscism as they both came after the Realism period. Monet is now much appreciated.

He tried to capture the effects of early morning twilight and the beauty of hazy days, he often painted the same scene many times at various times and seasons.







I particularly like his work he did at Giverny Gardens





I really love the many paintings he did of the water lilies at Giverny.


He is often called the father of Impressionism, but when he was alive it was called modern art and very poor art as it did not meet the standards of realism.

Cezanne was another impressionist. His work never sold while he was alive and is just now finding a market. I rather like his series he did at Monte Sainte-Victoire



Contemporary Art is seldom liked at the time it is painted, but that which survives gives a good indication of the era it was painted in. Chimes Calligrapy is actually a form of abstract art and each charater is an abstract drawing of an object.. It takes a bit of imagination but look closely at the Chinese character for horse here you can see the 9 forms from the earliest to today and you can see how it began with an early drawing of a horse.

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All very well and good but I think that by "modern art" Laura means stuff more like The Lights Going On and Off.

τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1383625 said:

I love Rothko his paintings hold special meanings for me

There is much of modern art to admire..

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is that a letterbox, a grave or what?

quie frankly i hate art. because im no good at it

I like some of those jeff koons' huge steel statues

tango92 said:

is that a letterbox, a grave or what?

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It looks like a chest or a box.

Yahya Sulaiman said:

All very well and good but I think that by "modern art" Laura means stuff more like The Lights Going On and Off.

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Yep, I mean things like s glass of water. Or the pictures shown by Ahmed Waheed. Are those seriously done by an artist? They show no talent at all, any one of us could have done it/ Monet's work may have been considered modern once but at least it shows obvious talent even if the style is different. Blobs on a piece of paper don't. show effort or talent. It shows an artist rolling around in money probably laughing that galleries have been taken in. :S

LauraS said:

seriously done by an artist? They show no talent at all, any one of us could have done it

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art isnt about talent its about emotion and creativity
art is the way an artist is feeling. What they have put into the painting doesnt have to be cookie cutter perfect or even understandable.
Personally most of my art is fueled by sadness, stress, or anger so i literary put that negative feeling into whatever i am drawing or painting....its mainly one of the reason why i hate most of the things that i have drawn because it was fueld by such negative feelings....
What i am trying to say is instead of just looking at it like a bunch of scribble try to think
"hey i wonder what the artist was feeling or what was going thru there mind" or "what was his idea behind that scribble touching that scribble" becuase that scribble could represent him (the artist) and the other could represent an obstacle in his life.

^^^Yes but I don't believe that picture down there with the blue blobs of paint meant anything to the artist. It just looks like a baby got a brush and started whacking it about the paper. I know they make stuff up as well, I have a few art student friends. Sometimes my friends just want to paint normal pictures of real things but are told they can't, but have things that represent what they'd rather just paint straight out.

Ahmed Waheed- your comments just sum it up. I was made to paint how I felt before just using dots of paint, I just did anything and they were like "Oh! That's how you feel? Lovely!" I was just thinking :mmokay:

I love Salvador Dali's work, but he died in 1989. Probably not modern enough for the purposes of this thread.

I'm a philistine when it comes to modern art. Anyhow...

Modern art I cannot stand - the work of Damien Hirst.

Modern art I like very much - the work of graffiti artist Banksy.

well then look into the artists life it may help understand their art
he was basically somewhat of a nonconformist at one point.....how he was kind of going against what the market considered art.

Highly informed by Nietzsche, Greek mythology, and his Russian-Jewish heritage, Rothko's art was profoundly imbued with emotional content that he articulated through a range of styles that evolved from figurative to abstract. Rothko's early figurative work - including landscapes, still lifes, figure studies, and portraits - demonstrated an ability to blend Expressionism and Surrealism. His search for new forms of expression led to his color field paintings, which employed shimmering color to convey a sense of spirituality.
Rothko maintained the social revolutionary ideas of his youth throughout his life. In particular he supported artist's total freedom of expression, which he felt was compromised by the market. This belief often put him at odds with the art world establishment, leading him to publicly respond to critics, and occasionally refuse commissions, sales and exhibitions.
read more about him here
http://www.theartstory.org/artist-rothko-mark.htm

Read the Vonnegut novel Bluebeard. It is a fascinating story by the best English language novelist who ever lived about a fictitious modern art-ist, and it gives an extremely interesting, sympathetic, and varied insight into why and how he paints the way he does.