is Allah fair ? Yes!

[Sorrow Embrace]

ok the only reason i joined these forums is to ask a question
regarding allah
first of all .. this is post of mere question and not intend to insult anyone's belief
the examples might be harsh .. but also are facts
second as my profile says am muslim " kind of "
i was muslim since birth but since few years a question poping in my head which
i found no answer for anywhere
this could be long but i'll try to make it as short as i can

the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom ?
he certinally claim that ... and i certinally don't see this through life
the way i see it
i see poor ... i see rich
i see weak ... i see strong
i see healthy .. i see sick
there's beauty .. and there's ugly
there's happiness and there's sadness .. the list goes on forever
where is the wisdom and fairness in that ?

what sets the people from the first class above .. over the second class ?
in what rights people must work for their whole life for simplest things
that other got before they were born ?

what makes the person with happy life more special to have a good life
and what makes the person too ****ed to get bad life with poor resources ?
the same thing could be applied for all above ...

but on the outcome allah will judge eventally all of us for all i know with no regard
for our situations in life .. and the path some are " forced " to take

for example : a rich person allah have adviced honest marriage and to thank allah for his blessings on him
but a poor person who wouldn't afford marriage ? what did allah advice ? to fast
that's right .. by the way am an arab and i know what am talking about
a person who can't afford marriage god adviced him to fast " doesn't make sense to me "
but supposedly fasting reduce the lust
however this is a mere example

so god gave the rich the means to enjoy life .. while given the poor .. an extra duty replacing
one of life's joy

there's no wisdom in that ... if there's i certinaly don't see it

moving on ..
a person who lives hard life .. eiather is poor .. sick .. ect ect
have harsh life which sometimes is forced to ask these kind of question
which i view them as questions with no answer and will lead eventally to believe in god's existence .. but ain't worth of worship .. " the state i reached "

this is not question i came up with yesterday or so
this is the result of years in search for question that allah did not answer
by all means am 22 now .. this question been with me since i was 16
any one with suitable explaination please share .. it's most welcome AND needed
now please before attempt to answer this .. read below
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it's not that this the first time am asking such thing so i got answers which i consider
flawed and non realistic or not rational here they are so i don't get the same answers i dismissed in the past

answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life

dismissed for : person with happy life and comfortable one is easier for him to thank god for his blessing and all
but what about a person with hard life who the life had forced to question the order of things
and to question allah's wisdom coz there's no answers enough
that person might be forced to say : why the hell i should work hard to get what i want and always not enough .. while other people born with life of luxury
and come up with the conclusion allah is not fair
such questions are poisoned but once asked there's no turning back and the answers so far
aren't convicing ... to point it simple
it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
than to have patience of person with bad life

answer 2 : life can't go on if we're all rich or poor there must be people who have money to give other people's to do jobs these people don't do

dismissed for : simply what makes the person with money better than the cleaners of the streets ? why are those who meant to clean .. and the others are meant to be rich to pay for it ?
again .. no wisdom .. no explination

answer 3 : allah gives who ever he wants

dismissed for : being the most stupid answer ever coz it doesn't answer anything but further prove my theory of allah ain't fair .. which i hate to say but forced to

answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them

dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

answer 5 : world is a test

dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests
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so people .. any person with answers beside the above listed .. is very welcome
as much as i doubt there's any .. but nothing gained nothing lost
and thanks in advance

[aadil77]

and answer 6: muslims who go through more tests and difficulty will be rewarded for their perseverence more than others in the hereafter

[Woodrow]

:sl:

Life is not fair nor just. Hardships are unequal, some live a life of luxury with no need to even lift a finger, others starve to death even after never having as much as a minute of rest.

We live in a physical world with physical limitations and physical hardships.

Yet, it is all necessary. We live a human existence and all of these apparent injustices bring about both the worse and best in humanity. The human traits of compassion and charity could never exist if there was no need for them. Self help would never be needed if we all had all of our physical needs handed to us. None of us could ever understand justice if we did not experience injustice. We would have no experience of love if we did not ever see hatred. Life is a very complex cycle and full of pain with moments of pleasure. All of these are needed if we each are to experience being human, and it is only by experiencing being human can we ever hope to rise above our limitations and come to understand the value of eternal bliss.

Yes Allaah(swt) is fair and just, he has given each of us the opportunity to learn and grow and truly earn our final destination.

[Sorrow Embrace]

so allah allows suffering of some people with injustice ... so can other experince justice ?
and the vicitms of injustice ... their life ? decisions ? after the injustice done to them ? losing the faith ?
that doesn't matter ? it doesn't count that allah allowed the suffering of these people before the lost their faith in him ?
so they're just tools to allah ?

the final destination is false concept since our fates already sealed by allah
a vicitm of injustice or other bad things in life is easily driving away from having faith in allah
due the damage done to them
apart .. allah is not human .. how could he possiably understand human feelings ?
and the results left by these things he premit or do to them

we do not choose our path .. but the path choose us
am guy of facts and reasoning ... i see no reason in creating suffering and injustice
coz the people under such situation no longer have the choice
as person if you were opressed by another human being .. normally you'd hold hatred for that person
but in this case .. you eiather follow god's will blindly without actually " understand it "
or you hate god for what he's done to you and be in hell forever

it seems both path are not really choices ... but forcing of certain choice
it's like .. it's my way or the hell way

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[Sorrow Embrace]

and answer 6: muslims who go through more tests and difficulty will be rewarded for their perseverence more than others in the hereafter

actually my friend i already posted that in the flawed answers
coz the harder the test .. the harder to success at it
and since none of us choose the diffuaclty of their test allah did
so you see my point

it's truth harder tests means greater reward .. but also greater chance of failing

[aadil77]

so allah allows suffering of some people with injustice ... so can other experince justice ?
and the vicitms of injustice ... their life ? decisions ? after the injustice done to them ? losing the faith ?
that doesn't matter ? it doesn't count that allah allowed the suffering of these people before the lost their faith in him ?
so they're just tools to allah ?

How old are you, 10? You're either deliberately being ignorant or you have poor comprehension skills

Allah allows suffering and injustice because He wills, just as He allows the opposite. I'm not gonna repeat this again, people who have suffered more will be rewarded more than others.

the final destination is false concept since our fates already sealed by allah
a vicitm of injustice or other bad things in life is easily driving away from having faith in allah
due the damage done to them
apart .. allah is not human .. how could he possiably understand human feelings ?
and the results left by these things he premit or do to them

Unfortunately if you wish to remain a muslim will have to accept that the 'final destination' does exist. We have been given the ability to change our fate. A victim of injustice will not be driven away from having faith unless they are stupid - only the opposite. If you are going through 'bad things' you are naturally going to pray to Allah more for Him to help you, because no one else can help you.

Allah is not human but He knows everything, I'm suprised you don't know this - you should go to madrasa more often. Allah knows everything we think, everything we feel and everything we are going to do.

we do not choose our path .. but the path choose us
am guy of facts and reasoning ... i see no reason in creating suffering and injustice
coz the people under such situation no longer have the choice
as person if you were opressed by another human being .. normally you'd hold hatred for that person
but in this case .. you eiather follow god's will blindly without actually " understand it "
or you hate god for what he's done to you and be in hell forever

Suffering and injustice make you appreciate the blessings of Allah more, people who are ignorant and rich have no care or any idea of how much they have been blessed by Allah - only suffering can make you realise that.

Allah is Al-Mighty, you have to accept what He wills, many prophets went through suffering and injustice and now they will be rewarded with jannah

This life is temporary, the few years you go through hardship will be made up by eternal jannah

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


I think you have to understand what 'Test' actually implies. :)


It does not mean to have a hard time. Rather, that is only one type of test.

Another type of test is to actually have a time of ease. Will you be thankful to Allah during that time? Or will you do sins during that time because you feel you don't need to remember Allah?



Allah tests us in times of Distress and times of Ease and Prosperity. It's how we react to those tests which shows if you are truly sincere and reliant on Allah.



In regard to your question about why some are more higher in rank than others;

أَهُمْ يَقْسِمُونَ رَحْمَتَ رَبِّكَ ۚ نَحْنُ قَسَمْنَا بَيْنَهُم مَّعِيشَتَهُمْ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۚ
وَرَفَعْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ فَوْقَ بَعْضٍ دَرَجَاتٍ لِّيَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُهُم بَعْضًا سُخْرِيًّا ۗ وَرَحْمَتُ رَبِّكَ خَيْرٌ مِّمَّا يَجْمَعُونَ

Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord? It is We who have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of this world and have raised some of them above others in degrees [of rank] that they may make use of one another for service. But the mercy of your Lord is better than whatever they accumulate.

[Quran - az-Zukhruf 43:32]

I know of people who are rich, but they are disabled. Then there are others who are poor - but they are strong in health. And I know that both groups go through hardships in life [see surah Balad 90:4] - yet they are both tested in their own ways. Each thinking his hardship is more harder than the other persons.


What we have to do is see our life, and use that to relieve other peoples hardships to please Allah [who gave us all the good in the first place]. This is a sign that you are grateful to Allah, and for that He will reward you insha' Allah.


So you should have 2 main characteristics during Tests;

Sabr [Patience] during Hardship, and Shukr [Thankfulness] during Ease.

You will notice that those who do not know Allah do not be Patient during hard times, and they do not be thankful to Him during the easy times.


:)

[Woodrow]

:sl:

The value of hardships can only come from living them and discovering the rewards they bring. The uselessness of ease can only come from experiencing it and discovering what all we lost as a result of enjoying it.

One can not be taught life, one has to live it. May you live a good life and have the wisdom to discover what true values are and what true fairness is.

You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.

Pain, injustice, sorrow and unfairness are only our interpretations of what we needed most at the moment. Our needs are not always what we want.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Sorrow Embrace;

the harder the test .. the harder to success at it
and since none of us choose the diffuaclty of their test allah did
so you see my point

I seem to remember reading that Allah will never place a burden on anyone, greater than they can bear.

If we are to believe in Allah, then We have no choice, other than to believe that Allah is merciful and just.

In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God.

Eric

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you brother Woodrow,

Woodrow;1404060]:sl:

The value of hardships can only come from living them and discovering the rewards they bring. The uselessness of ease can only come from experiencing it and discovering what all we lost as a result of enjoying it.

One can not be taught life, one has to live it. May you live a good life and have the wisdom to discover what true values are and what true fairness is.

You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.

Pain, injustice, sorrow and unfairness are only our interpretations of what we needed most at the moment. Our needs are not always what we want.

I am an old man too, although I might not be just as old as you, ;D but I agree with your reply, and if only we could understand the difference between needs and wants.

In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God

Eric

[Neelofar]

Allah is the fairest! What we want and need are 2 completely different things - a quote I came across highlights this brilliantly (although I'm not sure of it's source), "You are not aware of the consequences that would result (if you were granted what you desire) because what you seek might be to your detriment. (O soul) be conscious that your Master is more aware about your well-being than you are"

To add to this, Eric is also right, on no soul does Allah place a burden heavier than it can carry. Allah tests those he loves, he tests them to protect them, correct them, direct them, inspect them and perfect them.

Inshallah Allah guides you towards the right path of islam and keeps you steadfast in prayer, ameen.

[Sorrow Embrace]

How old are you, 10? You're either deliberately being ignorant or you have poor comprehension skills

Allah allows suffering and injustice because He wills, just as He allows the opposite. I'm not gonna repeat this again, people who have suffered more will be rewarded more than others.



Unfortunately if you wish to remain a muslim will have to accept that the 'final destination' does exist. We have been given the ability to change our fate. A victim of injustice will not be driven away from having faith unless they are stupid - only the opposite. If you are going through 'bad things' you are naturally going to pray to Allah more for Him to help you, because no one else can help you.

Allah is not human but He knows everything, I'm suprised you don't know this - you should go to madrasa more often. Allah knows everything we think, everything we feel and everything we are going to do.



Suffering and injustice make you appreciate the blessings of Allah more, people who are ignorant and rich have no care or any idea of how much they have been blessed by Allah - only suffering can make you realise that.

Allah is Al-Mighty, you have to accept what He wills, many prophets went through suffering and injustice and now they will be rewarded with jannah

This life is temporary, the few years you go through hardship will be made up by eternal jannah

sorry mate .. got nothing to say to like of you ...
i been attacked personaly or mocked for these question you consider stupid
you answers show lack of knowledge yet you mocking me ?

yes people can be driven out of faith at certain times
anyway am here for civilized discussions .. if you want to mock some one i advice some one else
got no time for you

[Sorrow Embrace]

:salamext:


I think you have to understand what 'Test' actually implies. :)


It does not mean to have a hard time. Rather, that is only one type of test.

Another type of test is to actually have a time of ease. Will you be thankful to Allah during that time? Or will you do sins during that time because you feel you don't need to remember Allah?



Allah tests us in times of Distress and times of Ease and Prosperity. It's how we react to those tests which shows if you are truly sincere and reliant on Allah.



In regard to your question about why some are more higher in rank than others;

أَهُمْ يَقْسِمُونَ رَحْمَتَ رَبِّكَ ۚ نَحْنُ قَسَمْنَا بَيْنَهُم مَّعِيشَتَهُمْ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۚ
وَرَفَعْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ فَوْقَ بَعْضٍ دَرَجَاتٍ لِّيَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُهُم بَعْضًا سُخْرِيًّا ۗ وَرَحْمَتُ رَبِّكَ خَيْرٌ مِّمَّا يَجْمَعُونَ

Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord? It is We who have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of this world and have raised some of them above others in degrees [of rank] that they may make use of one another for service. But the mercy of your Lord is better than whatever they accumulate.

What we have to do is see our life, and use that to relieve other peoples hardships to please Allah [who gave us all the good in the first place]. This is a sign that you are grateful to Allah, and for that He will reward you insha' Allah.


So you should have 2 main characteristics during Tests;

Sabr [Patience] during Hardship, and Shukr [Thankfulness] during Ease.

You will notice that those who do not know Allah do not be Patient during hard times, and they do not be thankful to Him during the easy times.


:)

apporicate the time you took to answer and this answer is good
alas also not complete .. you see this is the problem .. no answer is complete
there's always doubt

you mention that poor are strong and rich are disabled or disased
but keep in mind disase does not know rich or poor
disability don't only come to rich people .. for the poor as well

i heard it before and sorry to say but it's not convincing but i thank you for the try

[Sorrow Embrace]

:sl:

The value of hardships can only come from living them and discovering the rewards they bring. The uselessness of ease can only come from experiencing it and discovering what all we lost as a result of enjoying it.

One can not be taught life, one has to live it. May you live a good life and have the wisdom to discover what true values are and what true fairness is.

You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.

Pain, injustice, sorrow and unfairness are only our interpretations of what we needed most at the moment. Our needs are not always what we want.

hello to you
yes i can take the words of older people sometimes as granted coz we have saying
" a person older than you with one day .. have the knowledge of year more than you "

but i never been person to follow blindly .. and isn't that the purpose of our mind that we were given ?
had i want to follow and believe without actually understanding i wouldn't have asked such things
but to believe the mind must be presuaded before the spirit

like you mentioned .. good can come out of bad events
you didn't reliazed it though till you saw the good of it right ?

until that good happens they're only bad things
it's logical thinking

[Sorrow Embrace]

Allah is the fairest! What we want and need are 2 completely different things - a quote I came across highlights this brilliantly (although I'm not sure of it's source), "You are not aware of the consequences that would result (if you were granted what you desire) because what you seek might be to your detriment. (O soul) be conscious that your Master is more aware about your well-being than you are"

To add to this, Eric is also right, on no soul does Allah place a burden heavier than it can carry. Allah tests those he loves, he tests them to protect them, correct them, direct them, inspect them and perfect them.

Inshallah Allah guides you towards the right path of islam and keeps you steadfast in prayer, ameen.

it's " ان الله لا يحمل نفسا الا وسعها "
if i recall it right

but am afraid that's one of the words of widsom that does not have real impact in real life
you'll reliaze how wrong those line is when one person lose faith under hard situations
yet people are so quick to judge that person and blame him " ignoring " the reason
that got him this way
therefor i don't think i believe that line based on real living proofs

[Ramadhan]

You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.

This is also exactly my experience.

Ease is actually a harder test than hardships.

Looking back at my life (although I am nowhere as old as you are :p), i definitely failed the test during the times of ease. I practically left Islam when I was given the blessings of wealth and intellect. I also neglected relationships with real friends and family.
and only during my hardships that I turned back to Allah, when I had no one, it was only by Allah's will and blessings that I was slowly gaining everything that I squandered before during my time of ease. I shudder (and cry) everytime I am thinking about those jahiliyya period of my life, had Allah kept giving me ease, wealth and health I would've stayed in the wrong path and if I'd died then surely I would have gone straight to hell.

Many people do not realize that hardships often can be blessings from Allah so that we go back to Him. And for those that realize it, how fortunate they are!

So to the OP, this is what I want to say:
You are a muslim (even if you may not be practicing), so you believe with your heart that Allah exists.
If you believe that Allah exists, surely you also believe that Al Qur'an is the truth.
As I can see from your writing, you may not exactly have the correct knowledge and wisdom about Allah and Islam, so I suggest you to start learning and reading al Qur'an and educate yourself on the tenets of Islam. Reading Qur'an and the biography of prophet Muhammad SAW is a good place to start.
Your "concerns" will be answered fully and satisfyingly Insha Allah

[Woodrow]

:sl: Sorrow Embrace

I doubt you will ever find an answer by looking at the apparent injustice in the lives of others. Neither you nor I have the ability to look into the hearts of others and know for certain if Allaah(swt) has treated them unfairly. Perhaps this is a question we all need to ask our selves, ask of our own self the simple question "Has Allaah(swt) treated me fairly?" If your answer to that is yes, there is no need to be concerned about if you think he treats others unfairly. If you feel he has treated you unfairly, perhaps you need to share your reasons with somebody close to you.

On a personal note I feel I have been treated with the utmost fairness although some who know my life are convinced I have often been given a very unjust burden. Self perception and awareness of what Allaah(swt) has given us personally may be the answer to your question.

[Ramadhan]

but i never been person to follow blindly .. and isn't that the purpose of our mind that we were given ?

I find this rather contradictory.

you claim refuse to follow blindly, but yet from what's written by you, I am not convinced that you have learnt much about Islam.
One can only be said "not following blindly" if they have learnt all the facts.
But if they are ignorant but refusing to learn and insisting on using their desire without knowledge, then I am afraid that person is "following blindly". In this case following blindly their own mind with limited knowledge.

[Sorrow Embrace]

This is also exactly my experience.

Ease is actually a harder test than hardships.

Looking back at my life (although I am nowhere as old as you are :p), i definitely failed the test during the times of ease. I practically left Islam when I was given the blessings of wealth and intellect. I also neglected relationships with real friends and family.
and only during my hardships that I turned back to Allah, when I had no one, it was only by Allah's will and blessings that I was slowly gaining everything that I squandered before during my time of ease. I shudder (and cry) everytime I am thinking about those jahiliyya period of my life, had Allah kept giving me ease, wealth and health I would've stayed in the wrong path and if I'd died then surely I would have gone straight to hell.

Many people do not realize that hardships often can be blessings from Allah so that we go back to Him. And for those that realize it, how fortunate they are!

So to the OP, this is what I want to say:
You are a muslim (even if you may not be practicing), so you believe with your heart that Allah exists.
If you believe that Allah exists, surely you also believe that Al Qur'an is the truth.
As I can see from your writing, you may not exactly have the correct knowledge and wisdom about Allah and Islam, so I suggest you to start learning and reading al Qur'an and educate yourself on the tenets of Islam. Reading Qur'an and the biography of prophet Muhammad SAW is a good place to start.
Your "concerns" will be answered fully and satisfyingly Insha Allah

actually i got the totall idea about islam and allah .. i should know i been raised as one since birth
i know every thing about islam .. and Quran
there's no answer there in Quran for such question .. only light statements regarding eiather " god do what he wants and gives what he wants "
or as some one mentioned above that levels are made so some are made to serve others

both seem far from fair .. way too far
allah exist .. yes i don't got doubts of that
quran is allah's words yes also but simply there's no 100% sure answer
even people who believe so ... to me it seems they just believe it simply believe it
.. kinda of spiritual believe what i want is believe with 100% understanding

let me give you an example :
a king tells you he's good and fair and just and ect ect ect
but in his actions you don't see any of those things he claim .. i simply wouldn't follow that king

he got his own reasons to do what he does ? perhaps
but since i don't know his reason i am right not to follow till those reasons are cleared

[Sorrow Embrace]

:sl: Sorrow Embrace

I doubt you will ever find an answer by looking at the apparent injustice in the lives of others. Neither you nor I have the ability to look into the hearts of others and know for certain if Allaah(swt) has treated them unfairly. Perhaps this is a question we all need to ask our selves, ask of our own self the simple question "Has Allaah(swt) treated me fairly?" If your answer to that is yes, there is no need to be concerned about if you think he treats others unfairly. If you feel he has treated you unfairly, perhaps you need to share your reasons with somebody close to you.

On a personal note I feel I have been treated with the utmost fairness although some who know my life are convinced I have often been given a very unjust burden. Self perception and awareness of what Allaah(swt) has given us personally may be the answer to your question.

as much as i hate to say it but you're right
it seems like there's no answer
and by treated unfairly i don't only talk of my self even others
i walk the streets and find a homeless woman at the corner of the street and it's winter cold as hell
walk alittle more and find a guy with fancy car drinking with his gf sitting next to him
when the beggar lady approach him for little money he get the eww look on his face and drives away
this is example of one thing i saw
there's many things are wrose

why god gives people who don't deserve what they have and like this ?
why prefer them over others ? why allow such things ?
i have no idea but certinally it doesn't seem right to me
i been raised in a way to know right from wrong .. and all of allah's acts seem wrong to me
they're wrong on both accounts .. eiather done by him .. or premitted by him

[Woodrow]

Do you personally feel Allaah(swt) has ever treated you unfairly?

[Sorrow Embrace]

I find this rather contradictory.

you claim refuse to follow blindly, but yet from what's written by you, I am not convinced that you have learnt much about Islam.
One can only be said "not following blindly" if they have learnt all the facts.
But if they are ignorant but refusing to learn and insisting on using their desire without knowledge, then I am afraid that person is "following blindly". In this case following blindly their own mind with limited knowledge.

i may know of islam more than you do friend
it's my religion from birth .. and got a very religious father we go in this debate dozen times of week
my sister attained the rank of " داعية اسلام "
so i know what am talking about when it comes to islam
but even with such rank she never been able to convice me or give any answer for those questions
most people answer with spiritual evidences and answers
what i want is logic explaintion not spiritual relief

i know all facts of islam ... thing you might never heard of considering my main language is arabic
and at school at young age i been taught alot of islam in school
as soon as i grew up to 16 nothing made sense anymore and nothing seemed right
and 6 years have past and still i think nothing improved wrong still wrong

following blindly is not being able to explain something and accept it as " god never does wrong "
i don't know if he does wrong or not ... but to believe so the mind must be convinced
we see alot of wrong doing and injustice during our daily life

yeah well i work 12 hours a day for simple things i need and want " am on 3 days vacation " yay
a kid next door with rich father don't work at all and got car i can't even dream of
none of us actually worked in their mother's womb to get more than others
yet we weren't all born equal ...

a rich person wouldn't never say why am rich and why that man poor
but a poor person would ask such question naturally
and when allah don't provide the answer the man eiather follow blindly .. or simply don't follow allah
there's other option is to keep searching for some kind of explaintion .. but the search will fail
as you can see

i tried talking to alot of people about it and none seem to have the answer
only allah has it ... it's matter of giving it .. or not giving it

[Sorrow Embrace]

Do you personally feel Allaah(swt) has ever treated you unfairly?

unfortunatly yes ... like i said in the reply above to another person
i work 12 hours a day .. 6 days a week .. sometimes 7 days
just enough to get simplest things i need and want

people get born rich without working for a thing

it's rough being buried in work for such long hours at young age and not being able to enjoy little in life
and seeing others do .. not coz they earned it ... just coz they were choosed or prefered by allah
i meet alot of rich people in my job they some times bring their sons which nearly in my age
they speak of travel and fun and stuff bla bla bla
while me just buried in work for the unworthy pay at the end of the week

this alone could create a hatred for the one behind it
none of us worked before they were born did we ?

then how come there's high and low ?
and why should i be on the low end of things while actually working hard
and why some spoiled kid should be on the high end of things without working day in their life ?

life is unfair people say .. but none Ever said god is unfair
but life isn't a logical being or got character or intellegence... allah does
and it was allah who created this life and every thing on it .. bad or good
so it's allah's actions that requires explaination to be understood

i get told yeah you'll get better than them in the afterlife ect ect ect
what if i stopped believe due to this situation Before reaching the after life
will i be in hell then ? for simply having a doubt about allah which he never answered
and the spoiled rich kid who also believed in god but due to his good situation in his life
he didn't even thought of asking such question neither had doubts
he'll go to heaven ?

you see .. life is just passway to the after life .. but our actions decide wheather hell or heaven we go to
and with enough pressures in life person could have enough at some point

[CosmicPathos]

unfortunatly yes ... like i said in the reply above to another person
i work 12 hours a day .. 6 days a week .. sometimes 7 days
just enough to get simplest things i need and want

people get born rich without working for a thing

it's rough being buried in work for such long hours at young age and not being able to enjoy little in life
and seeing others do .. not coz they earned it ... just coz they were choosed or prefered by allah
i meet alot of rich people in my job they some times bring their sons which nearly in my age
they speak of travel and fun and stuff bla bla bla
while me just buried in work for the unworthy pay at the end of the week

this alone could create a hatred for the one behind it
none of us worked before they were born did we ?

then how come there's high and low ?
and why should i be on the low end of things while actually working hard
and why some spoiled kid should be on the high end of things without working day in their life ?

life is unfair people say .. but none Ever said god is unfair
but life isn't a logical being or got character or intellegence... allah does
and it was allah who created this life and every thing on it .. bad or good
so it's allah's actions that requires explaination to be understood

i get told yeah you'll get better than them in the afterlife ect ect ect
what if i stopped believe due to this situation Before reaching the after life
will i be in hell then ? for simply having a doubt about allah which he never answered
and the spoiled rich kid who also believed in god but due to his good situation in his life
he didn't even thought of asking such question neither had doubts
he'll go to heaven ?

you see .. life is just passway to the after life .. but our actions decide wheather hell or heaven we go to
and with enough pressures in life person could have enough at some point

From reading your replies here and somewhat psychoanalysis of what you have said, it seems you have a different perspective of life. It seems you want those things which you dont have, and it seems hard to you to get those things (by working tirelessly etc) and now your questions are related to that i.e. why did God put you in difficult situations while others in easy situations, situations you want to be in. The logical mistake that you are committing is that you are judging people's lives as good or bad based on your perception, and not theirs. A rich kid next door very well might be suffering from a disease that you are unaware of?

And do you know that there are certain diseases which target rich people and not poor? For example, certain kinds of cancer.

I think if you change your perspective of this worldly life, your questions will become non-questions. If you realize that "enjoyment" of worldly life is fleeting, I think you might actually not even want to be like the rich kid next door who drives a car that you cannot ever dream of.

Regarding the philosophical question that why did God make you this and not give you the option to you to decide how you want to be born, I think if you take God out of the picture, you get the same reply. Even if you believe in mother nature or the Might universe, these things also did not give you the chance to be born the way you wanted to be. So in the end, not being able to born the way you wanted to be, has no effect on the existence of God. You very well would be born without any of your control over it even if God did not exist.

astagfirullah.

[Woodrow]

i may know of islam more than you do friend
it's my religion from birth .. and got a very religious father we go in this debate dozen times of week
my sister attained the rank of " داعية اسلام "
so i know what am talking about when it comes to islam
but even with such rank she never been able to convice me or give any answer for those questions
most people answer with spiritual evidences and answers
what i want is logic explaintion not spiritual relief

I agree you know more about Islam than I do and very possibly more than I will ever know. But it may be I have more experience than you in the realm of logic and self-determination. Over 60 years of my life was in the secular realm and often ruled by a life based upon logic and logical explanations and answers. I no longer want or desire logical explanations, as I pass through what are most certainly my twilight years I need the respite and knowledge of spiritual relief. It is all that is of importance to me in these last years.

i know all facts of islam ... thing you might never heard of considering my main language is arabic
and at school at young age i been taught alot of islam in school
as soon as i grew up to 16 nothing made sense anymore and nothing seemed right
and 6 years have past and still i think nothing improved wrong still wrong

I know a lot about neuro surgery, I would imagine considerably more than the average general practitioner doctor. But I doubt if that qualifies me to be a brain surgeon.

following blindly is not being able to explain something and accept it as " god never does wrong "
i don't know if he does wrong or not ... but to believe so the mind must be convinced
we see alot of wrong doing and injustice during our daily life

We see what we believe to be wrong doing and injustice.

A child may see what appears to be an evil man cutting holes in a child with a sharp knife. the same man gives another child a candy bar and a smile. Does it seem the man is fair to both children? what if you discover the man is a doctor and he is saving the life of the first child who has a ruptured appendix and soothing the other child who is the first child's scared sister?

yeah well i work 12 hours a day for simple things i need and want " am on 3 days vacation " yay
a kid next door with rich father don't work at all and got car i can't even dream of
none of us actually worked in their mother's womb to get more than others
yet we weren't all born equal ...

I retired from active employment over 20 years ago as the result of a disability. I only wish I could return to working 12 hours a day, I would gladly work for free. You have indeed been given a great gift by being able to work 12 hours per day.

a rich person wouldn't never say why am rich and why that man poor
but a poor person would ask such question naturally
and when allah don't provide the answer the man eiather follow blindly .. or simply don't follow allah
there's other option is to keep searching for some kind of explaintion .. but the search will fail
as you can see

Searching only fails when a person closes his mind to searching in the right place. One can not find a head of lettuce if he keeps looking for it in the bottom of a fish pond.

i tried talking to alot of people about it and none seem to have the answer
only allah has it ... it's matter of giving it .. or not giving it

would you recognize the answer if you saw it?

[Dagless]

a king tells you he's good and fair and just and ect ect ect
but in his actions you don't see any of those things he claim .. i simply wouldn't follow that king

he got his own reasons to do what he does ? perhaps
but since i don't know his reason i am right not to follow till those reasons are cleared

A king is a human, he lives under the same rules as you. You can judge if a king is just but not if God is just. You cannot know God's reasoning since you do not have the information or intellect to comprehend it. By definition everything God does is just.
It is like the story where Al-Khidr does things which appear bad and unjust and Moses (pbuh) keeps asking him how he can do such awful things. Later Al-Khidr explains his knowledge and why those things were actually just. Since Allah has ALL knowledge, who do you think is best to judge what is just? Him? or you?

as much as i hate to say it but you're right
it seems like there's no answer
and by treated unfairly i don't only talk of my self even others
i walk the streets and find a homeless woman at the corner of the street and it's winter cold as hell
walk alittle more and find a guy with fancy car drinking with his gf sitting next to him
when the beggar lady approach him for little money he get the eww look on his face and drives away
this is example of one thing i saw
there's many things are wrose

Justice doesn't all happen in life, it is balanced out after death. The rich guy you see having an easy life will have to explain why he didn't use his money and time responsibly whereas someone working 12 hours a day for the basics probably won't. Btw the Quran tells us we are all tested so the guy will have his own trials at some time.

Many people suffer and always ask why me. The answer has been given by Allah but we find it difficult to accept. Just because you like something it doesn't make it good for you.

[Sorrow Embrace]

yeah i never said or mentioned that god does not exist mad scientice
i believe in god existence .. i don't blame nature or universe for the way i was born coz they're not in charge or rulers of this life
allah is ... and you can't take him out of the picture .. he Is the whole picture

we don't have options to choose who we are and such things .. it's decided by god
but at least if we're gonna be put in hard life the least thing he can do is to answer our question why ?

i doubt that answer will be any time soon though
although allah says he's near and answer the call of people ... he often ignore alot of calls

[Sorrow Embrace]

I agree you know more about Islam than I do and very possibly more than I will ever know. But it may be I have more experience than you in the realm of logic and self-determination. Over 60 years of my life was in the secular realm and often ruled by a life based upon logic and logical explanations and answers. I no longer want or desire logical explanations, as I pass through what are most certainly my twilight years I need the respite and knowledge of spiritual relief. It is all that is of importance to me in these last years.



I know a lot about neuro surgery, I would imagine considerably more than the average general practitioner doctor. But I doubt if that qualifies me to be a brain surgeon.



We see what we believe to be wrong doing and injustice.

A child may see what appears to be an evil man cutting holes in a child with a sharp knife. the same man gives another child a candy bar and a smile. Does it seem the man is fair to both children? what if you discover the man is a doctor and he is saving the life of the first child who has a ruptured appendix and soothing the other child who is the first child's scared sister?



I retired from active employment over 20 years ago as the result of a disability. I only wish I could return to working 12 hours a day, I would gladly work for free. You have indeed been given a great gift by being able to work 12 hours per day.



Searching only fails when a person closes his mind to searching in the right place. One can not find a head of lettuce if he keeps looking for it in the bottom of a fish pond.



would you recognize the answer if you saw it?

first of all sorry the i know more than you thing wasn't meant for you
it was meant for a person who said i don't know much of islam ... maybe i made mistake while replying i don't know but eiatherw ways it wasn't for you sorry again

i already agreed that a person older than me would have more experinces than me
but i'd have to experince for my self to believe ... you also had to didn't you ?

you just mentioned it .. we see what we believe wrong and injustice
it could happen for reason we as human being and limited with thinking could not know
which results that we are right to think it's wrong and injustice " according to our knowledge "
a judge at the court judge by what he knows and see .. not of what he don't

that pretty much explains the child example you brought

and i am gifted with the ability to work with strong body and all yes
but to what purpose ? if working all am doing and not enjoying life at all
then working is meaningless
it's not a gift it's rather a curse .. to work so much for so little
and not even be able to enjoy the so little you worked hard for

and am still searching aren't i ? even though am desperate enough to search on internet now .. but it's still searching
asking people of islam in life i ceased it .. coz it ends badly
eiather with the opposite side runs out of idea and start mocking my intellgence
or simply giving up and saying . may allah enlighten your spirit

there's no shame with questioning in my opinion .. even questioning allah's actions
for if we do not question and use the brain he given us then we don't fully understand and believe in allah

[Sorrow Embrace]

A king is a human, he lives under the same rules as you. You can judge if a king is just but not if God is just. You cannot know God's reasoning since you do not have the information or intellect to comprehend it. By definition everything God does is just.
It is like the story where Al-Khidr does things which appear bad and unjust and Moses (pbuh) keeps asking him how he can do such awful things. Later Al-Khidr explains his knowledge and why those things were actually just. Since Allah has ALL knowledge, who do you think is best to judge what is just? Him? or you?



Justice doesn't all happen in life, it is balanced out after death. The rich guy you see having an easy life will have to explain why he didn't use his money and time responsibly whereas someone working 12 hours a day for the basics probably won't. Btw the Quran tells us we are all tested so the guy will have his own trials at some time.

Many people suffer and always ask why me. The answer has been given by Allah but we find it difficult to accept. Just because you like something it doesn't make it good for you.

yes it was mere example and finally .. you said it your self

moses questioned every thing Al-khider did ... and at the end moses even refused to follow alkhider and required an explantion and by all means that was a holy prophet ... am mere normal human
how can i not question ?
moses questioned out of human logical thinking
the same questions i made outta of logical thinking
in my opinion it's wrong not to question .. even the acts of allah
person should understand logically before following

[Dagless]

yes it was mere example and finally .. you said it your self

moses questioned every thing Al-khider did ... and at the end moses even refused to follow alkhider and required an explantion and by all means that was a holy prophet ... am mere normal human
how can i not question ?
moses questioned out of human logical thinking
the same questions i made outta of logical thinking
in my opinion it's wrong not to question .. even the acts of allah
person should understand logically before following

He questioned another human, he did not question God. Prophets had their fair share of suffering too.
The story should give you faith because Al-Khidr only had knowledge which Allah gave him, therefore it should sink in that if Allah's knowledge is all knowledge then surely He knows what is justice better than you. You are questioning something while looking at one pixel on a monitor, you cannot possibly know what is on the whole screen, whereas Allah not only knows but created it.

[M.I.A.]

A king is a human, he lives under the same rules as you. You can judge if a king is just but not if God is just. You cannot know God's reasoning since you do not have the information or intellect to comprehend it. By definition everything God does is just.
It is like the story where Al-Khidr does things which appear bad and unjust and Moses (pbuh) keeps asking him how he can do such awful things. Later Al-Khidr explains his knowledge and why those things were actually just. Since Allah has ALL knowledge, who do you think is best to judge what is just? Him? or you?



Justice doesn't all happen in life, it is balanced out after death. The rich guy you see having an easy life will have to explain why he didn't use his money and time responsibly whereas someone working 12 hours a day for the basics probably won't. Btw the Quran tells us we are all tested so the guy will have his own trials at some time.

Many people suffer and always ask why me. The answer has been given by Allah but we find it difficult to accept. Just because you like something it doesn't make it good for you.

in all your post is hope for those that would consider themselves beyond redemption and god mercy.
and fear upon those that would consider themselves righteous and obedient.

..sorry bro the bold might be the wrong way round, but im just being a prat.

[Sorrow Embrace]

He questioned another human, he did not question God. Prophets had their fair share of suffering too.
The story should give you faith because Al-Khidr only had knowledge which Allah gave him, therefore it should sink in that if Allah's knowledge is all knowledge then surely He knows what is justice better than you. You are questioning something while looking at one pixel on a monitor, you cannot possibly know what is on the whole screen, whereas Allah not only knows but created it.

yes another human being ... but to me .. to truely believe in allah i need to question and have explaintion of his acts .. in my own view there's nothing wrong with questioning .. even allah

the incomplete monitor view you mention is like the limited intellegence of humanbeings god given us
if he act with reason we cannot fathom ? how can we truely understand him and follow him with logic sense
and mind apart from spiritual belief and majestic faith

[Woodrow]

first of all sorry the i know more than you thing wasn't meant for you
it was meant for a person who said i don't know much of islam ... maybe i made mistake while replying i don't know but eiatherw ways it wasn't for you sorry again

i already agreed that a person older than me would have more experinces than me
but i'd have to experince for my self to believe ... you also had to didn't you ?

you just mentioned it .. we see what we believe wrong and injustice
it could happen for reason we as human being and limited with thinking could not know
which results that we are right to think it's wrong and injustice " according to our knowledge "
a judge at the court judge by what he knows and see .. not of what he don't

that pretty much explains the child example you brought

and i am gifted with the ability to work with strong body and all yes
but to what purpose ? if working all am doing and not enjoying life at all
then working is meaningless
it's not a gift it's rather a curse .. to work so much for so little
and not even be able to enjoy the so little you worked hard for

and am still searching aren't i ? even though am desperate enough to search on internet now .. but it's still searching
asking people of islam in life i ceased it .. coz it ends badly
eiather with the opposite side runs out of idea and start mocking my intellgence
or simply giving up and saying . may allah enlighten your spirit

there's no shame with questioning in my opinion .. even questioning allah's actions
for if we do not question and use the brain he given us then we don't fully understand and believe in allah

I see no harm in you knowing more about Islam than I do. I am still a child in Islam having accepted it only 6 years ago.

You have a very great gift in the desire to ask questions. Time and experience will guide you into finding the best place to ask specific questions. May this gift serve you well and you master it as one of the best tools available to us humans.

Your ability to work 12 hours is a gift, that Insha Allaah you will one day look back and see as having been a great joy and not the drab duty they seem to be today. Although I have long passed the ability for gainful work, I still try to work as much as possible by raising horses. Hmmmm, perhaps I am working harder than I thought I was able too, I know very few young men who are capable of doing some of the things I have to do with untrained horses. To me the ability to work is a great gift even when it goes without compensation.

I wonder what you mean by enjoying life? I find great joy and enjoyment looking out across the vast prairie and seeing the sight of a tatanka:

Or a summer sunset:

or one of my horses:

Just what is really needed to enjoy life beside the appreciation of life and that which has been created?

[Sorrow Embrace]

thanks man ..
and it's good for you to work at old age to keep shape
as soon you let age take the best of you .. you can no longer rise out of bed so working is good
but it's not good for a young guy to work alot of time
those simple things you mentioned aren't avilable to someone like me
working 12 hours in tiring job leaves you bearly enough time to go home wash eat sleep
wakes up wash and dress and go to work .. that's it

enjoying life i mean by going out and do stuff including the ones you mentioned
but being stuck at work for long late hours prevent that .. and without job there's money to make living
so it's tough break

[YusufNoor]

:sl:


this life is an illusion of sorts. we can't see Allah, NOR can we see His WISDOM OR His Qadr in advance.

UNTIL the race is done, Yawmul Qiyama, we simply don't have the facts or the tools to decide.

HOWEVER, we believe Allah. He tells us that He is Ar Rahman Ar Raheem. IF you don't believe that, you DON'T believe Him.

AFTER Yawmul Qiyama, i reckon some in the hellfire will feel they have been mistreated.

EVERYONE in Jannah will be there by Allah's Mercy. IF any of them feel it unfair, i'll doubt they will be offering to trade places with someone in the Hellfire.

SADLY, i reckon there will be alot more "Muslims" in the hellfire than expected to be there.

THAT SAID, May Allah grant us Goodness in the life, Goodness in the Hereafter and May He protect us from the Hellfire!

:wa:

[Woodrow]

thanks man ..
and it's good for you to work at old age to keep shape
as soon you let age take the best of you .. you can no longer rise out of bed so working is good
but it's not good for a young guy to work alot of time
those simple things you mentioned aren't avilable to someone like me
working 12 hours in tiring job leaves you bearly enough time to go home wash eat sleep
wakes up wash and dress and go to work .. that's it

enjoying life i mean by going out and do stuff including the ones you mentioned
but being stuck at work for long late hours prevent that .. and without job there's money to make living
so it's tough break

But there is a trade off. Yes I do get to enjoy many things, but with them comes a great and painful price. I do have the wide open prairie suroounding me but it also means I am very far from any city and in the event of a medical emergency there is no medical help. Yes I do live on the Beautiful prairie, but there is nothing to block the bitter winds and the temperature can and often does drop to 60 degrees below zero in a very short time sometimes in just a matter of a minute. Yes, I do experience much joy, but I pay a very high price for it, so all is fair. I live here by choice and enjoy the gains but also need to accept the hardships and dangers that come with it. so far this winter I had some great personal loses not the least of which was having 3 of my favorite horses freeze to death. that caused much sorrow, but in spite of the sorrow and pain I did have the joy of enjoying their company even though it was temporary. It is/was all fair.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Sorrow Embrace;

I asked for Strength.........
And Allah gave me Difficulties to make me strong.
I asked for Wisdom.........
And Allah gave me Problems to solve.
I asked for Prosperity.........
And Allah gave me Brain and Brawn to work.
I asked for Courage.........
And Allah gave me Danger to overcome.
I asked for Love.........
And Allah gave me Troubled people to help.
I asked for Favours.........
And Allah gave me Opportunities.

I received nothing I wanted
I received everything I needed
My Prayer has been answered.

Pray for Others to Heal Yourself.
The Prophet was always concerned about other people, Muslims and non-Muslims, and would regularly pray for them. Praying for others connects you with them and helps you understand their suffering. This in itself has a healing component to it. The Prophet has said that praying for someone who is not present increases love.

In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God who answers our prayers.

Eric

[CosmicPathos]

thanks man ..
and it's good for you to work at old age to keep shape
as soon you let age take the best of you .. you can no longer rise out of bed so working is good
but it's not good for a young guy to work alot of time
those simple things you mentioned aren't avilable to someone like me
working 12 hours in tiring job leaves you bearly enough time to go home wash eat sleep
wakes up wash and dress and go to work .. that's it

enjoying life i mean by going out and do stuff including the ones you mentioned
but being stuck at work for long late hours prevent that .. and without job there's money to make living
so it's tough break

I am sorry to say but now your posts have become less philosophical and more of emotional rants. Are you really 22 years old, I mean no offense.

Life is like that. Should not you feel grateful that despite all the odds, the sperm and the egg you are made of survived the grueling journey in the loins of your father and ovaries of your mother? If the sperm you are made of was able to survive the acidic and haunting microenvironment of a woman's uterus, I am sure you can survive through life and all of its challenges.

[selsebil]

Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

Dear Brother;

1.This world is a field of trial and examination and is not the place of getting rewards.Allah SWT is testing us in order to develop our abilities and in order to show endless degrees of His names (asma).Every one has a different type of test depending on different abilities.

2. There is a Hadith the meaning of which is, “Those afflicted with the severest trials are the prophets, then the saints and those like them.” That is, “Those most afflicted with tribulations and difficulties are the best of men, the most perfect.” For example the Prophet Ayyub AS and the other prophets, then the saints, then the righteous, have regarded the illnesses they have suffered as sincere worship, as gifts of the Most Merciful; they have offered thanks in patience. They have seen them as surgical operations performed by the All-Compassionate Creator’s mercy.

3. Just as the penalties of those perpetrating small crimes are delivered locally, and serious crimes are sent to the high courts, so too, according to the rules, the small errors of believers and close friends are punished swiftly and in part in this world, in order to quickly purify them. But the crimes of the people of misguidance are so great that since their punishments cannot be contained in this brief worldly life, as required by justice they are referred to the Supreme Tribunal in the eternal realm, and mostly do not receive any punishment here.
The Hadith “This world is the prison of the believers and the Paradise of the unbelievers” also alludes to this truth. That is to say, because the believer receives partial punishment for his faults in this world, it is a place of punishment for him. In relation to his happiness in the Hereafter, this world is a dungeon and Hell. And since the unbelievers will not be released from Hell and they in part receive the rewards for their good works in this world and their large sins are postponed, this world is their Paradise in relation to their life in the Hereafter. For in reality and in meaning the believer is far happier in this world also than the unbeliever. A believer’s faith is quite simply like a Paradise in his spirit; while the unbelief of the unbeliever sets afire a sort of Hell in his being.

4. Allah Almighty, in order to display His infinite power and unlimited mercy, has made inherent in man infinite impotence and unlimited want. Further, in order to display the endless embroideries of His Names, He has created man like a machine capable of receiving unlimited varieties of pain, as well as infinite varieties of pleasure. Within that human machine are hundreds of instruments, each of which has different pains and pleasures, different duties and rewards. Simply, all of the Divine Names manifested in the macroanthropos that is the world also have manifestations in the microcosm that is man. Beneficial matters like good health, well-being, and pleasures cause man to offer thanks and prompt the human machine to perform its functions in many respects, and thus man becomes like a factory producing thanks.

Similarly, by means of misfortune, illness and pain, and other motion-inducing contingencies, the other cogs of the human machine are set in motion and revolution. The mine of weakness, impotence, and poverty inherent in human nature is made to work. It induces in man a state whereby he seeks refuge and help not only with a single tongue, but with the tongue of each of his members. Thus by means of those contingencies man becomes like a moving pen comprising thousands of different pens. He inscribes the appointed course of his existence on the page of his life or the Tablet in the World of Similitudes; he puts forth a declaration of the Divine Names; and becomes himself an ode to the glory of Allah, thus fulfilling the duties of his nature.

[Alpha Dude]

answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life

dismissed for : it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
than to have patience of person with bad life

If this was true, then Abu Lahab would have been a Muslim and would have thanked Allah. Firown would have converted and been appreciative of Allah's blessings upon him. Qaroon would have been thankful. Yet none of these people were despite all that Allah gave them.

Arrogance got the better of them. This disease of khibr is very easy for the wealthy and people who are in good position to catch.

I'm sure you know the punishment for khibr. Allah has said he won't admit into paradise the person who has even an atom's worth of it.

The poor people, by contrast, will be admitted into heaven 500 years before all else.

answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them

dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

It's not flawed. The problem is you are not thinking this matter through to it's fullest extent.

Let me give you a simple example.

Imagine there is a person who lives a very poor life. Allah makes his life very difficult for him. He initally rebels against Allah because he thinks Allah has been unfair to him but later on Allah opens the eyes of his heart to receive guidance and he turns to Allah in repentance. Then this poor person is blessed with a lot of money and because of what he experienced in his life as a poor person, he feels sorry for other poor people and gives a lot of charity and helps others as much as possible. Now a number of good has happened because of this. One is that poor people will be fed and taken care of by a stranger and another is that this person will gain a lot of reward. If the person was rich all his life, he would never have known what it means to struggle and would have had less sympathy for the poor and as a result would give less charity/earn less reward.

Another example. Imagine a little boy in school gets his head hit whilst playing and has to go to hospital. The parents will be very worried initially and may be thinking how unfair it is for their son to experience such a trauma. However, imagine that it turns out the boy has a tumour which the hospital checks pick up during the check up due to the injury. The doctors are able to then cure this child from the cancer as well as help with the injury. If the boy hadn't been hurt in the first place, the tumour would not have been found. So the initial bitter feeling of being hurt whilst playing was necessary to prevent a bigger pain of cancer later on. So this is divine wisdom in action. There are MILLIONS of examples we can think of along this line.

answer 5 : world is a test

dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests

Yes, tests are harder for some people. Allah has told us he tests more severely those who are beloved to him.

Hardships wipe away our sins! Even having a thorn prick our fingers to make us bleed takes sins away from us. Think LONG TERM. Allah is blessing such people by giving constant hardship to them so that they meet Allah on the day of judgement with less sins.

If the above is not enough to convince you, just reflect on Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihe Wasalam! His life was full of troubles and was harrassed by people. He WILLINGLY lived as a poor individual. THINK!

At the end of the day, it's your own incorrect approach to Allah mixed with shaytanic whispers which are keeping you away from the true guidance.

Honestly bro, take it from someone who used to think like you, just always have a good opinion of Allah.

Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Strange is the affair of the Mu'min (the believer), verily all his affairs are good for him. If something pleasing befalls him he thanks (Allah) and it becomes better for him. And if something harmful befalls him he is patient (Saabir) and it becomes better for him. And this is only for the Mu'mmin." [Muslim]

So a true believer with strong iman is always at the same level in connection with Allah despite what external things are going on in his life, good or bad!

The most important thing you need to understand is that this life is temporary. To give you an idea, it only equals a day or part of a day of our real life in the hereafter. So we should realise that all the material happiness (due to health, wealth, family etc) we achieve in this world is only for the sake of this world and will not last forever.

Another thing - there ARE poor people and disadvantaged people in this world who have absolutely nothing BUT they are able to thank Allah and ARE good muslims.

The question is, if they CAN do it, why can't others?

It all boils down to waswas in the end. These are the whispers of shaytan. We are born as slaves to Allah and it is our duty to submit to what Allah has got planned for us.

Brother, I say this to you sincerely, simply submit to Allah and accept what he has given you and move on from there. Don't have this mindset of being a 'victim'.

Allah has said, he is as we think of him. So if we always have this thought of Allah as being unfair then I swear, this is what will always be happening to us. Allah will misguide us because of our negative pessimistic and INSULTING approach to Allah.

By contrast, if we were thinking of Allah in the most positive light always, he will be by our side. We are told that if we go walking to him, he comes running to us.

Adopt patience, seek refuge in Allah, remind yourself that this world is a test and make plenty of dua. Do this consistently. You may not become rich overnight but Allah will inspire your heart into being happy with what he has planned for you inshaAllah and you will be a proper mu'min, as described in the hadith.

[Snowflake]

"the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom?" you asked amongst other things that amount to insulting Allah subhana wa ta'ala.


Did you cause the earth to grow the provisions you fill the pit of your belly with? How easily you insult my Allah by denying His attributes, His mercy on you,
and you eat of His provisions without gratitude. You breathe His air without measure. If He had put a price on it, you might have been dead by now. You use the faculties He gave you to insult Him? How fair are you? You thank Brother Woodrow for sharing his life with you. But Allah gave you life, and countless blessings. Yet you are ungrateful and turn your back to Him, then question His fairness and wisdom!?

So what if you work 12 hours a day. At least you can work. You're not paralysed at the mercy of carers, waiting to be fed, turned over, or unable to clean yourself after relieving yourself from the toxic waste in your body.Even the fact that you're able to do this is a blessing of Allah. If 12 hours a day worth of wages are not enough to cover your expenses, ask yourself why you are living a lifestyle beyond your means.

My beloved Prophet, SAW, said, "I sit like a servant and eat like a servant." His needs were little. His gratitude endless. He said to the companions who expressed sorrow when they saw the marks on his back, caused by sleeping on reed mat, "What have I to do with this world? In relation to this world, I am like a rider who shades himself under a tree and then (continues on his way)." Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1351

Abu Talha (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "When we complained to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) of hunger and raised our clothes to show we were each carrying a stone over our belly, he raised his clothes and showed that he had two stones on his belly."

If you exceed in acquiring what you can't afford, then you have no one to blame but yourself. But this isn't about that. I've seen people living in the harsh clutches of poverty, who are lucky if they get one meal a day, yet they say, "Shukr al hamdulillah we even get this. One day our Rabb will end our suffering. Our Rabb never does bad for anyone." Then how can you not be grateful to your Lord, for He has given you more than He has given those people? Why are the less privileged servants of Allah grateful, but not you? Because they have one thing you don't. One thing that can't be bought. That priceless thing they have is imaan. What happened to yours? Imaan lives in the heart doesn't it? What has happened to the state of your heart that imaan left? You don't need money to have imaan. If you don't possess a thing that doesn't cost anything to buy, then no amount of money in the world can make you rich. If only you recognised what real wealth is, what real blessings are, and had been grateful to Allah in all circumstances, Allah would have increased you in blessings in this life and the next. And what you lacked in this world, you would have been given unimaginable compensation in the life after. If only you had known, and believed that Allah is fair and His wisdom is faultless and beyond comprehension. If you had known that Allah doesn't judge you by your clothes, or degrees, your profession, or wealth, but by your piety, you would have realized that He is fair, but is it man who is not fair and judges you by superficial things. It is not too late. I pray Allah guides you.



Hadith Qudsi 26:

Truly of those devoted to Me the one I most favour is a believer who is of meagre means and much given to prayer, who has been particular in the worship of his Lord and has obeyed Him inwardly, who was obscure among people and not pointed our, and whose sustenance was just sufficient to provide for him yet he bore this patiently. Then the Prophet (pbuh) rapped his hand and said: Death will have come early to him, his mourners will have been few, his estate scant.

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

Firstly, you said you're an Arab; I fail to understand how you can be an Arab but fail to learn fus-ha Arabic to understand Qur'an and comprehend its true meaning through the richness, depth and preciseness of its language.

Secondly, Allah is the Just and whatever He decrees is just and has wisdom behind it. Sometimes we can perceive and understand this wisdom while at other times we cannot.

As for the rich and the poor, they may not be equal in some worldly aspects but they are evenly treated, even if one has more money than the other. Allah may give someone more and someone less, not to be unfair and unjust but to see how they would respond to Allah by it. Allah says in the Qur'an "...because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other..." [4:34].

Wealth has never bought people lasting happiness, some of the worlds greats who were filthy rich killed themselves because they though they had reached the heights of success, the status that is thought to bring happiness through the possession of money, power, women and influence. But they could not find peace and contentment and took their lives as a consequence. How is it that all the nations of the world can look at the people who have accumulated riches, thinking that such people must be the happiest in the world yet their families are crumbling, their relationships are straining and marriage is breaking? If these rich people found ultimate happiness through money they would never turn to haram women, alcohol and drugs to find solace within themselves by being drowned in restlessness and distress.

Money is not a route to happiness and never was. Money only brings momentary happiness, after your bills are paid and your needs are fulfilled, money has no further worth.

To summarize this point, shaykh Muhammad Ameen ash-Shanqeeti said, "The pursuit of happiness and contentment is one that is independent of the pursuit of wealth. Wealth itself does not come with happiness and contentment. For indeed if that were true, then Qaroon [28:76-81] would have been the most successful of people in this regard. Yet Allah caused the earth to open up, swallowing both him and his possessions."

Allah further says about the division of people, "O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware" [49:13]

As for fasting, it is not an alternative to marriage because celibacy is not encouraged in Islam. It is sunnah to marry and indeed in some cases it is waajib. The intended outcome of fasting is not to free a person of sexual desires but it is to control them and keep them in check through the Taqwaa of Allah. O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint, [2:183]. In this verse it says self restraint but the Arabic says taqwa and taqwa is a comprehensive term that encompasses all of Islam.

If one cannot marry because he cannot afford it than Allah should not be blamed, the parents who make marriage difficult due to unreasonably high dowry should be blamed. Even if one marries and he is poor, Allah promises to provide for him to sustain him. And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; We give them sustenance and yourselves (too); surely to kill them is a great wrong. [17:31]

Everyone is tested in this life whether rich or poor, and true prosperity is not achieved through money but through taqwa, patience and steadfastness in Islam.

The trials of life have nothing to do with fairness, they are to do with justice. Men and women are not equal and we are not given equal responsibilities, rather we are given even responsibilities. The rich and the poor are not even in terms of their spending power but are even in terms of how they will be dealt with, reward and punishment etc.

[M.I.A.]

ok guys the agency i have been working through has decided to no longer use me.. this is not funny anymore lol

if i put all the jobs iv been through in the last few years my cv is too long, the references may balance that out though lol

sabber inshallah.. although its not funny anymore.

[Hiroshi]

suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

The answers are clear and easily understandable.

Suppose you are a father with your wife and children and a neighbour brings an insulting accusation. The neighbour declares that you are a bad father for your family and your family hates you. The neighbour even goes so far as to say that your family only stay with you out of selfishness because of the good things that they receive. If they suffered hardship and if they were given the opportunity, he accuses, they would abandon you and leave.

How would you respond to such slanderous accusations? You might react in anger and rage and drive the man away. But would that prove to onlookers that you were right? It might actually seem to suggest that you were in the wrong and could not defend your case. How much better it would be if the members of your family themselves spoke up and declared their love for you and even proved it by sticking with you through hard times.

This would vindicate you from the accusations of your slanderous neighbour and prove him to be a liar.

Well, this is the situation that we are faced with now. God is like the accused father in that family. And Satan is the accuser. And we are like the children who can prove by our actions the loyalty and love that we have for our creator even when faced with hardship. God knows the makeup of each one of us and will not allow us to be tempted or tested beyond what we can bear. We can make God rejoice by proving our love for him and by proving Satan to be a liar.

[Insaanah]

i know all facts of islam ... thing you might never heard of considering my main language is arabic

Even the scholars don't claim to know all the facts of Islam...

it's " ان الله لا يحمل نفسا الا وسعها "
if i recall it right

Unfortunately not recalled correctly. It's best for us not to paraphrase the Qur'an if we are not sure.

This is what the Qur'an actually says:

لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا

It is from the last ayah of Surah al-Baqarah, the last two ayaat of which we recite at night before sleeping, as part of our basic daily supplications.

May Allah guide you and us all. Ameen.

[Hamza Asadullah]

ok the only reason i joined these forums is to ask a question
regarding allah
first of all .. this is post of mere question and not intend to insult anyone's belief
the examples might be harsh .. but also are facts
second as my profile says am muslim " kind of "
i was muslim since birth but since few years a question poping in my head which
i found no answer for anywhere
this could be long but i'll try to make it as short as i can

the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom ?
he certinally claim that ... and i certinally don't see this through life
the way i see it
i see poor ... i see rich
i see weak ... i see strong
i see healthy .. i see sick
there's beauty .. and there's ugly
there's happiness and there's sadness .. the list goes on forever
where is the wisdom and fairness in that ?

what sets the people from the first class above .. over the second class ?
in what rights people must work for their whole life for simplest things
that other got before they were born ?

what makes the person with happy life more special to have a good life
and what makes the person too ****ed to get bad life with poor resources ?
the same thing could be applied for all above ...

but on the outcome allah will judge eventally all of us for all i know with no regard
for our situations in life .. and the path some are " forced " to take

for example : a rich person allah have adviced honest marriage and to thank allah for his blessings on him
but a poor person who wouldn't afford marriage ? what did allah advice ? to fast
that's right .. by the way am an arab and i know what am talking about
a person who can't afford marriage god adviced him to fast " doesn't make sense to me "
but supposedly fasting reduce the lust
however this is a mere example

so god gave the rich the means to enjoy life .. while given the poor .. an extra duty replacing
one of life's joy

there's no wisdom in that ... if there's i certinaly don't see it

moving on ..
a person who lives hard life .. eiather is poor .. sick .. ect ect
have harsh life which sometimes is forced to ask these kind of question
which i view them as questions with no answer and will lead eventally to believe in god's existence .. but ain't worth of worship .. " the state i reached "

this is not question i came up with yesterday or so
this is the result of years in search for question that allah did not answer
by all means am 22 now .. this question been with me since i was 16
any one with suitable explaination please share .. it's most welcome AND needed
now please before attempt to answer this .. read below
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it's not that this the first time am asking such thing so i got answers which i consider
flawed and non realistic or not rational here they are so i don't get the same answers i dismissed in the past

answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life

dismissed for : person with happy life and comfortable one is easier for him to thank god for his blessing and all
but what about a person with hard life who the life had forced to question the order of things
and to question allah's wisdom coz there's no answers enough
that person might be forced to say : why the hell i should work hard to get what i want and always not enough .. while other people born with life of luxury
and come up with the conclusion allah is not fair
such questions are poisoned but once asked there's no turning back and the answers so far
aren't convicing ... to point it simple
it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
than to have patience of person with bad life

answer 2 : life can't go on if we're all rich or poor there must be people who have money to give other people's to do jobs these people don't do

dismissed for : simply what makes the person with money better than the cleaners of the streets ? why are those who meant to clean .. and the others are meant to be rich to pay for it ?
again .. no wisdom .. no explination

answer 3 : allah gives who ever he wants

dismissed for : being the most stupid answer ever coz it doesn't answer anything but further prove my theory of allah ain't fair .. which i hate to say but forced to

answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them

dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

answer 5 : world is a test

dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests
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so people .. any person with answers beside the above listed .. is very welcome
as much as i doubt there's any .. but nothing gained nothing lost
and thanks in advance

Asalaamu Alaikum, Brother firstly you or i are not in a position to judge the life of others. Be they poor, rich, handsome or ugly. We do not know what they go through on a daily basis. It maybe that a rich man although may look happy to you on the outiside but we know nothing about what turmoil or anguish he is going through in his life. You may look at a poor man but is may be completly content and happy with his life even more than the rich man.

Why are suicide rates in the west so much higher than anywhere else in the world? Even though the west has all of the riches in the world. Simply because people are not happy or content with their lives even though they may have wealth. Just a couple of months ago in the UK in London this millionnaire committed suicide. His family was asked his story and his mother said that he lived a normal life until he won a lot of money on th lottery. After that he bought himself a huge house and lived in it partying all of the time with his friends and he lived a life of indulgence. She mentioned sadly that out of the blue he just took his own life. When it was asked of her why her son did such a thing she said that if he did'nt win the lottery then he would still be alive today. When he won the lottery he bought whatever he wanted and he lived the high life but he was never happy. He died in a huge house all alone out of misery.

I also remember watching a documentary of a celebrity property developer who went to the slums of Bombay. He was astounded when he went there and what he had experienced. He said in a place of such poverty you would have thought that you would see people who would be miserable and depressed but they are so happy. He kept saying why are they so happy? He just could'nt understand why they were so much happier than people in the west. In the end he accepted that although these people may be the poorest people on earth but they were content and happy because they had family and friends around them and they had just about enough to survive and that was enough for them. That changed his whole perception of life because it taught him that money does not by happiness but happiness and contentment comes from other things like family, religion, feeling a sense of belonging etc.

Therefore you should never "judge" another and say just because he is rich he is happy or he is poor he is unhappy because you could not be more wrong. You do not know anything about a persons life and what they are going through and what they have experienced etc. We cannot look at another person and say they are happy even though we may always see them smile because what a person is truly going through we would never know. What is hidden inside is not necessery going to be reflected in the exterior of a person.


So accept the fact that you cannot judge who is happy or unhappy for that is something we are not aware of. We can only judge our own lives. Wealth and riches although they may bring some ease in a persons life certainly do not bring about satsifaction, contentment and happiness for it may be that a poor man has a much richer and fulfilling life than a rich man who although has all the riches in the world may live an empty existence.

So we are clear now that you can only judge your own life not the life of others. You also judged how some people are given easy or hard tests but again how can you truly know what kind of tests a person goes through throughout their lives?

A person does not just go through one or two tests in their lifetime but one goes through many tests all throughout ones life. A person may have a simple test one day and somewhere down the line get hit by a very hard test.

We all go through a varying degree of tests in our life. It doesn't mean that we are given one or two simple or hard tests. You or i will never know what kind of tests a person will go through in our lives. People do not always advertise their tests. If we were to know the kind of tests people are going through i promise we would all be shocked and think how would we ever have guessed that person is going through whay they are going through.

So my brother do not judge the life of others by what you see on the exteriour or what you hear about from others as you and i do not know how happy or sad they are throughout their lives and you and i do not know what kind of tests they will go through throughout their lives. You will only ever truly know about a fraction of a persons life and what they have been through as whatever is in the heart is hidden from us so again do not judge the life of others.

What you see on the outside is notnecesserily what is reflected on what a person is feeling on the inside. Wealth does not bring happiness nor does beauty or health. A person who is poor, ugly or ill maybe much happier and content in their life than a person who is rich, A ugly person may have more contentment, happiness and peace in their heart than a person who is beautiful. An ill person may feel more contentment and happiness than a person who has health.

It maybe that a wealthy person loses their wealth. Or a healthy person loses their health. Or a beautiful person loses their beauty. We do not know what we have until its gone. None of these things cause lifelong happiness and so you or i cannot judge happiness or sadness in ones life based on these things.

You need to ask yourself what is the purpose of my life? Is it to live, work, marry have kids and die? No of course not and if you are Muslim then you would know that is not the answer. We are only created for one purpose and that is to worship Allah. Along our journey in life we will be tested. So in effect we are in a test ground. So obviously on a test ground we are going to be tested. Maybe right now you are being tested more than me. But maybe tomorrow or next week a bigger test may come to me and your test maybe eased. Life is full of varying degree of tests.

If you have an important exam then will you pass if you don't revise? The simple fact is that if you don't work hard and make the effort then you will fail. Therefore you will have to work very hard to pass your exams. Sameway we are in an examination but the only difference is it can end at any second as we are not aware when our exam will come to an end. So just like an examination there will be easier and harder tests. So if we want to pass we need to put the effort in and that applies to anything in life. You have to work hard to get what you want. Sameway if you want Paradise then you have to work for it.

But let me ask you something. our life is on average 70 years. Lets say your 30. You have on average 40 years left in this life. Now if you devote 40 years of your life to Allah then you will gain eternity of bliss in return. Is that fair?

40 years worship= Eternity in Paradise

That is very unfair. Why should we be given eternity of bliss in Paradise for only 40 to 50 years of devotion? That doesn't seem fair to me that we should be given so much for such little devotion. That is being too generous but Allah is the most generous. For just 40 - 50 years of suffering and patience he will give eternity of bliss in Paradise. That is like a few seconds compared to eternity.

Now if a person suffered more and was patient relying on Allah, invested more into the hereafter as in worshipping and pleased Allah and another person just did minimal as in prayed, fasted and kept away from major sin etc then is it fair that they both go to the same Paradise? Of course not and that is because there are many different levels of Paradise depending on how much one put into the hereafter and pleasing Allah. The more suffering one endures with patience and the more one invests into the hereafter the higher the rank of that person will be in Paradise. The difference between one Paradise to another is like this earth and when you look up at the night sky and the star that you see far far away.

So everyone will get what they are entitled to according to their situation and what they went through in life . That is something we cannot know or judge. Only Allah has that knolwedge for he is the best of all judges and Ais most just and true justice will ONLY happen in the next world.

Therefore we are getting SO much more in return for our short life in this world yet we still complain? In the hereafter the currency will be good deeds not money or gold. Once we see our deeds we will wish we went through so much more suffering and endured it for the pleasure of Allah just so that we can gain more good deeds.

So the Reward of going through difficult trials and hardships is so much more than the suffering that oen would have gone through!

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah Allah's Messenger (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, when people who have suffered affliction are given their reward, those who are healthy will wish their skins had been cut to pieces with scissors when they were in the world." (Al-Tirmidhi #1570)

We will wish we had invested so much more just so that could have had more good deeds. We will wish we were taken back to the earth so that we can live this life again just so that we can live a life pleasing Allah and doing good deeds but we will not be able to as this is our ONLY chance. We must NOT waste this one chance we have.

Shaythan is always trying to deter us from the right path and one of the ways he tries this is by telling us how unfair Allah is when in reality what we will get in return for our devotion and patience is WAY TOO MUCH than we deserve. It is a bit like your manager giving you a million pounds a day for the current job you are doing. The simple fact is will get MUCH more than we can ever comprehend for the little good we would have done in this world.

If we think deeply about the favours Allah has done for us for will never be able to comprehend his favours because they are too numerous. What is required of us is so little in return for what we will get inshallah. So let us realise that Allah has given us too too much for us to ever even think of thinking of him as being unfair. He created us so knows what is best for us.

And Allah knows best in all matters

[Sorrow Embrace]

:sl:


this life is an illusion of sorts. we can't see Allah, NOR can we see His WISDOM OR His Qadr in advance.

UNTIL the race is done, Yawmul Qiyama, we simply don't have the facts or the tools to decide.

HOWEVER, we believe Allah. He tells us that He is Ar Rahman Ar Raheem. IF you don't believe that, you DON'T believe Him.

AFTER Yawmul Qiyama, i reckon some in the hellfire will feel they have been mistreated.

EVERYONE in Jannah will be there by Allah's Mercy. IF any of them feel it unfair, i'll doubt they will be offering to trade places with someone in the Hellfire.

SADLY, i reckon there will be alot more "Muslims" in the hellfire than expected to be there.

THAT SAID, May Allah grant us Goodness in the life, Goodness in the Hereafter and May He protect us from the Hellfire!

:wa:

that's the problem man ... we have to submit for unknown reason .. not logical explaination
we cannot fathoms allah's knowledge ? yet we have to just accept it as it is without questions
i do not agree to this .. questions must be answered in order to reach true belief
other wise belief is based on spiritual feelings not logic sense

[Sorrow Embrace]

But there is a trade off. Yes I do get to enjoy many things, but with them comes a great and painful price. I do have the wide open prairie suroounding me but it also means I am very far from any city and in the event of a medical emergency there is no medical help. Yes I do live on the Beautiful prairie, but there is nothing to block the bitter winds and the temperature can and often does drop to 60 degrees below zero in a very short time sometimes in just a matter of a minute. Yes, I do experience much joy, but I pay a very high price for it, so all is fair. I live here by choice and enjoy the gains but also need to accept the hardships and dangers that come with it. so far this winter I had some great personal loses not the least of which was having 3 of my favorite horses freeze to death. that caused much sorrow, but in spite of the sorrow and pain I did have the joy of enjoying their company even though it was temporary. It is/was all fair.

you make it sound like bad things can only happen to rich people
the things you mentioned those bad things would happen to poor people as well
suffering befalls on rich and poor alike ... only rich have the means to deal with it easily
and the poor suffers and start questioning the nature order of things and the fairness of it
it's not fair trade

[Sorrow Embrace]

Greetings and peace be with you Sorrow Embrace;

I asked for Strength.........
And Allah gave me Difficulties to make me strong.
I asked for Wisdom.........
And Allah gave me Problems to solve.
I asked for Prosperity.........
And Allah gave me Brain and Brawn to work.
I asked for Courage.........
And Allah gave me Danger to overcome.
I asked for Love.........
And Allah gave me Troubled people to help.
I asked for Favours.........
And Allah gave me Opportunities.

I received nothing I wanted
I received everything I needed
My Prayer has been answered.

Pray for Others to Heal Yourself.
The Prophet was always concerned about other people, Muslims and non-Muslims, and would regularly pray for them. Praying for others connects you with them and helps you understand their suffering. This in itself has a healing component to it. The Prophet has said that praying for someone who is not present increases love.

In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God who answers our prayers.

Eric

i can see this question can be applied for all religions does it ?
no matter christian or muslim
why would a person try search for other people suffering when you got already more than you can handle ?
i believe a merciful god wouldn't let some things go the way they are right now
merciful god would give each people an equal chance at life
but unforunatly i can see chances vary and some people chances are very small while other people's chances are big
this only could lead to the believe that god ain't fair
or he is but we don't know it somehow
eiather way when you don't know the reason behind anyone's wrongdoing
you are bound to condemn it untill you know the reason .. the wrong remain wrong

[Sorrow Embrace]

I am sorry to say but now your posts have become less philosophical and more of emotional rants. Are you really 22 years old, I mean no offense.

Life is like that. Should not you feel grateful that despite all the odds, the sperm and the egg you are made of survived the grueling journey in the loins of your father and ovaries of your mother? If the sperm you are made of was able to survive the acidic and haunting microenvironment of a woman's uterus, I am sure you can survive through life and all of its challenges.

what if you were told there's new prophet and new religion
and you didn't agree to this
would it justify me mocking you and say how old are you ? 10 ? why don't you believe this ?
but you were right to refuse that religion as false due to the lack of evidences on that
just because you don't have the answer to this question doesn't mean the question is silly or am thinking like
10 years old kid

and of course it's emotional provoked question .. but none the less logical ...
and the answers provided are spiritual ones not logical and realistic
life is tough .. yes but some people don't have it the hard way and other even have it the easy way
those who get it the hard way and gives up .. does that make them kofar ? for simply questioning
why we have to be like this in this rough situation while other people are not
seems very logic reaction to me

[Sorrow Embrace]

Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

Dear Brother;

1.This world is a field of trial and examination and is not the place of getting rewards.Allah SWT is testing us in order to develop our abilities and in order to show endless degrees of His names (asma).Every one has a different type of test depending on different abilities.

2. There is a Hadith the meaning of which is, “Those afflicted with the severest trials are the prophets, then the saints and those like them.” That is, “Those most afflicted with tribulations and difficulties are the best of men, the most perfect.” For example the Prophet Ayyub AS and the other prophets, then the saints, then the righteous, have regarded the illnesses they have suffered as sincere worship, as gifts of the Most Merciful; they have offered thanks in patience. They have seen them as surgical operations performed by the All-Compassionate Creator’s mercy.

3. Just as the penalties of those perpetrating small crimes are delivered locally, and serious crimes are sent to the high courts, so too, according to the rules, the small errors of believers and close friends are punished swiftly and in part in this world, in order to quickly purify them. But the crimes of the people of misguidance are so great that since their punishments cannot be contained in this brief worldly life, as required by justice they are referred to the Supreme Tribunal in the eternal realm, and mostly do not receive any punishment here.
The Hadith “This world is the prison of the believers and the Paradise of the unbelievers” also alludes to this truth. That is to say, because the believer receives partial punishment for his faults in this world, it is a place of punishment for him. In relation to his happiness in the Hereafter, this world is a dungeon and Hell. And since the unbelievers will not be released from Hell and they in part receive the rewards for their good works in this world and their large sins are postponed, this world is their Paradise in relation to their life in the Hereafter. For in reality and in meaning the believer is far happier in this world also than the unbeliever. A believer’s faith is quite simply like a Paradise in his spirit; while the unbelief of the unbeliever sets afire a sort of Hell in his being.

4. Allah Almighty, in order to display His infinite power and unlimited mercy, has made inherent in man infinite impotence and unlimited want. Further, in order to display the endless embroideries of His Names, He has created man like a machine capable of receiving unlimited varieties of pain, as well as infinite varieties of pleasure. Within that human machine are hundreds of instruments, each of which has different pains and pleasures, different duties and rewards. Simply, all of the Divine Names manifested in the macroanthropos that is the world also have manifestations in the microcosm that is man. Beneficial matters like good health, well-being, and pleasures cause man to offer thanks and prompt the human machine to perform its functions in many respects, and thus man becomes like a factory producing thanks.

Similarly, by means of misfortune, illness and pain, and other motion-inducing contingencies, the other cogs of the human machine are set in motion and revolution. The mine of weakness, impotence, and poverty inherent in human nature is made to work. It induces in man a state whereby he seeks refuge and help not only with a single tongue, but with the tongue of each of his members. Thus by means of those contingencies man becomes like a moving pen comprising thousands of different pens. He inscribes the appointed course of his existence on the page of his life or the Tablet in the World of Similitudes; he puts forth a declaration of the Divine Names; and becomes himself an ode to the glory of Allah, thus fulfilling the duties of his nature.

thanks for your answer and the time taken to write it down
but i find my self at the same question again
you mention life is the prison of believers and the paradise of non-believers
now what if that believer had much pain and distress in this prison and became unbeliever
questions are bound to be asked in such state and with the absense of clear answers
a person can drift away from what he once believed

to judge people fairly in some test .. you need to give them equal chances to prove them self
but you find allah in life given people previlage over others .. so they can have more chance of successs
while other people aren't giving anything but instead taking from them any kind of previlage
you think those people are treated fairly ? can you blame them if they stopped believing in allah's good nature ?
for simply dealing with facts and refusing to take things for granted ?

[Sorrow Embrace]

If this was true, then Abu Lahab would have been a Muslim and would have thanked Allah. Firown would have converted and been appreciative of Allah's blessings upon him. Qaroon would have been thankful. Yet none of these people were despite all that Allah gave them.

Arrogance got the better of them. This disease of khibr is very easy for the wealthy and people who are in good position to catch.

I'm sure you know the punishment for khibr. Allah has said he won't admit into paradise the person who has even an atom's worth of it.

The poor people, by contrast, will be admitted into heaven 500 years before all else.

It's not flawed. The problem is you are not thinking this matter through to it's fullest extent.

Let me give you a simple example.

Imagine there is a person who lives a very poor life. Allah makes his life very difficult for him. He initally rebels against Allah because he thinks Allah has been unfair to him but later on Allah opens the eyes of his heart to receive guidance and he turns to Allah in repentance. Then this poor person is blessed with a lot of money and because of what he experienced in his life as a poor person, he feels sorry for other poor people and gives a lot of charity and helps others as much as possible. Now a number of good has happened because of this. One is that poor people will be fed and taken care of by a stranger and another is that this person will gain a lot of reward. If the person was rich all his life, he would never have known what it means to struggle and would have had less sympathy for the poor and as a result would give less charity/earn less reward.

Another example. Imagine a little boy in school gets his head hit whilst playing and has to go to hospital. The parents will be very worried initially and may be thinking how unfair it is for their son to experience such a trauma. However, imagine that it turns out the boy has a tumour which the hospital checks pick up during the check up due to the injury. The doctors are able to then cure this child from the cancer as well as help with the injury. If the boy hadn't been hurt in the first place, the tumour would not have been found. So the initial bitter feeling of being hurt whilst playing was necessary to prevent a bigger pain of cancer later on. So this is divine wisdom in action. There are MILLIONS of examples we can think of along this line.
Yes, tests are harder for some people. Allah has told us he tests more severely those who are beloved to him.

Hardships wipe away our sins! Even having a thorn prick our fingers to make us bleed takes sins away from us. Think LONG TERM. Allah is blessing such people by giving constant hardship to them so that they meet Allah on the day of judgement with less sins.

If the above is not enough to convince you, just reflect on Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihe Wasalam! His life was full of troubles and was harrassed by people. He WILLINGLY lived as a poor individual. THINK!

At the end of the day, it's your own incorrect approach to Allah mixed with shaytanic whispers which are keeping you away from the true guidance.

Honestly bro, take it from someone who used to think like you, just always have a good opinion of Allah.

Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Strange is the affair of the Mu'min (the believer), verily all his affairs are good for him. If something pleasing befalls him he thanks (Allah) and it becomes better for him. And if something harmful befalls him he is patient (Saabir) and it becomes better for him. And this is only for the Mu'mmin." [Muslim]

So a true believer with strong iman is always at the same level in connection with Allah despite what external things are going on in his life, good or bad!

The most important thing you need to understand is that this life is temporary. To give you an idea, it only equals a day or part of a day of our real life in the hereafter. So we should realise that all the material happiness (due to health, wealth, family etc) we achieve in this world is only for the sake of this world and will not last forever.

Another thing - there ARE poor people and disadvantaged people in this world who have absolutely nothing BUT they are able to thank Allah and ARE good muslims.

The question is, if they CAN do it, why can't others?

It all boils down to waswas in the end. These are the whispers of shaytan. We are born as slaves to Allah and it is our duty to submit to what Allah has got planned for us.

Brother, I say this to you sincerely, simply submit to Allah and accept what he has given you and move on from there. Don't have this mindset of being a 'victim'.

Allah has said, he is as we think of him. So if we always have this thought of Allah as being unfair then I swear, this is what will always be happening to us. Allah will misguide us because of our negative pessimistic and INSULTING approach to Allah.

By contrast, if we were thinking of Allah in the most positive light always, he will be by our side. We are told that if we go walking to him, he comes running to us.

Adopt patience, seek refuge in Allah, remind yourself that this world is a test and make plenty of dua. Do this consistently. You may not become rich overnight but Allah will inspire your heart into being happy with what he has planned for you inshaAllah and you will be a proper mu'min, as described in the hadith.

first abu lahab lost coz of his own actions
it only proves that allah gives those who don't deserve it
imagin if those rich people were good people instead of the current ones who don't give **** about the poor
there will be no suffering no beggars no homeless ... but allah instead gave his blessings to those who don't
deserve it gave them way more than they need ... and taken from others what they actually need

i believe you are right at one point that i should ask allah ... abit nicer
coz due to the nature of this question it comes out with rage
not that i think it's not excused rage though
there's question plain and simple no one would have learned without asking question
blunt or polite
but i still believe allah did not offer the proper answer for this . yet

[Sorrow Embrace]

"the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom?" you asked amongst other things that amount to insulting Allah subhana wa ta'ala.


Did you cause the earth to grow the provisions you fill the pit of your belly with? How easily you insult my Allah by denying His attributes, His mercy on you,
and you eat of His provisions without gratitude. You breathe His air without measure. If He had put a price on it, you might have been dead by now. You use the faculties He gave you to insult Him? How fair are you? You thank Brother Woodrow for sharing his life with you. But Allah gave you life, and countless blessings. Yet you are ungrateful and turn your back to Him, then question His fairness and wisdom!?

So what if you work 12 hours a day. At least you can work. You're not paralysed at the mercy of carers, waiting to be fed, turned over, or unable to clean yourself after relieving yourself from the toxic waste in your body.Even the fact that you're able to do this is a blessing of Allah. If 12 hours a day worth of wages are not enough to cover your expenses, ask yourself why you are living a lifestyle beyond your means.

My beloved Prophet, SAW, said, "I sit like a servant and eat like a servant." His needs were little. His gratitude endless. He said to the companions who expressed sorrow when they saw the marks on his back, caused by sleeping on reed mat, "What have I to do with this world? In relation to this world, I am like a rider who shades himself under a tree and then (continues on his way)." Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1351

Abu Talha (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "When we complained to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) of hunger and raised our clothes to show we were each carrying a stone over our belly, he raised his clothes and showed that he had two stones on his belly."

If you exceed in acquiring what you can't afford, then you have no one to blame but yourself. But this isn't about that. I've seen people living in the harsh clutches of poverty, who are lucky if they get one meal a day, yet they say, "Shukr al hamdulillah we even get this. One day our Rabb will end our suffering. Our Rabb never does bad for anyone." Then how can you not be grateful to your Lord, for He has given you more than He has given those people? Why are the less privileged servants of Allah grateful, but not you? Because they have one thing you don't. One thing that can't be bought. That priceless thing they have is imaan. What happened to yours? Imaan lives in the heart doesn't it? What has happened to the state of your heart that imaan left? You don't need money to have imaan. If you don't possess a thing that doesn't cost anything to buy, then no amount of money in the world can make you rich. If only you recognised what real wealth is, what real blessings are, and had been grateful to Allah in all circumstances, Allah would have increased you in blessings in this life and the next. And what you lacked in this world, you would have been given unimaginable compensation in the life after. If only you had known, and believed that Allah is fair and His wisdom is faultless and beyond comprehension. If you had known that Allah doesn't judge you by your clothes, or degrees, your profession, or wealth, but by your piety, you would have realized that He is fair, but is it man who is not fair and judges you by superficial things. It is not too late. I pray Allah guides you.



Hadith Qudsi 26:

Truly of those devoted to Me the one I most favour is a believer who is of meagre means and much given to prayer, who has been particular in the worship of his Lord and has obeyed Him inwardly, who was obscure among people and not pointed our, and whose sustenance was just sufficient to provide for him yet he bore this patiently. Then the Prophet (pbuh) rapped his hand and said: Death will have come early to him, his mourners will have been few, his estate scant.

i do not like the way of this sound .. by that i mean the way you trying to make it sound like am ungrateful
for anything yet taking things he gave me and using them and yet am ungrateful
you see god created me ... now if he don't approve to me breathing from " his " air he shouldn't have created me at the first place
i worked hard for the little i have NOT ALLAH GAVE IT TO ME
I simply earn what i have not given easily by allah like some people
i am ungrateful .. for my body is the only thing allah ever gave me .. beside unanswered questions
now you might say well he gave you healthy body and some people don't have that
only proves my point that those people aren't treated fairly .. it's not only about me .. it's general question

and again am not a prophet .. am simple human with needs and hunger for answer that " allah " planted at the first place ... if allah don't want us to be curious and ask question why did he make us curious in nature ?
and demanding on answers

there's no iman without understanding .. and no understanding without answers
we may judge so shallow as humanbeings and with the knowledge lend to us by allah
but that means we shouldn't judge at all ?
would you let criminal go for murder if you commited for reason
you do not know ? of course not .. you need to know the reason first before considering
all and all .. thanks for your reply
i thank people as attempt to be polite for the time they spared to answer and argue
insult to allah or not ... we can never learn if we always thought things your way ..
that's insult to allah. . that's not right to ask .. that's blasphmy ect ect ect
we end up taking things for granted without actual understanding
yes i ask questions am not ashamed of it and never will be

[Sorrow Embrace]

:salamext:

Firstly, you said you're an Arab; I fail to understand how you can be an Arab but fail to learn fus-ha Arabic to understand Qur'an and comprehend its true meaning through the richness, depth and preciseness of its language.

Secondly, Allah is the Just and whatever He decrees is just and has wisdom behind it. Sometimes we can perceive and understand this wisdom while at other times we cannot.

As for the rich and the poor, they may not be equal in some worldly aspects but they are evenly treated, even if one has more money than the other. Allah may give someone more and someone less, not to be unfair and unjust but to see how they would respond to Allah by it. Allah says in the Qur'an "...because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other..." [4:34].

Wealth has never bought people lasting happiness, some of the worlds greats who were filthy rich killed themselves because they though they had reached the heights of success, the status that is thought to bring happiness through the possession of money, power, women and influence. But they could not find peace and contentment and took their lives as a consequence. How is it that all the nations of the world can look at the people who have accumulated riches, thinking that such people must be the happiest in the world yet their families are crumbling, their relationships are straining and marriage is breaking? If these rich people found ultimate happiness through money they would never turn to haram women, alcohol and drugs to find solace within themselves by being drowned in restlessness and distress.

Money is not a route to happiness and never was. Money only brings momentary happiness, after your bills are paid and your needs are fulfilled, money has no further worth.

To summarize this point, shaykh Muhammad Ameen ash-Shanqeeti said, "The pursuit of happiness and contentment is one that is independent of the pursuit of wealth. Wealth itself does not come with happiness and contentment. For indeed if that were true, then Qaroon [28:76-81] would have been the most successful of people in this regard. Yet Allah caused the earth to open up, swallowing both him and his possessions."

Allah further says about the division of people, "O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware" [49:13]

As for fasting, it is not an alternative to marriage because celibacy is not encouraged in Islam. It is sunnah to marry and indeed in some cases it is waajib. The intended outcome of fasting is not to free a person of sexual desires but it is to control them and keep them in check through the Taqwaa of Allah. O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint, [2:183]. In this verse it says self restraint but the Arabic says taqwa and taqwa is a comprehensive term that encompasses all of Islam.

If one cannot marry because he cannot afford it than Allah should not be blamed, the parents who make marriage difficult due to unreasonably high dowry should be blamed. Even if one marries and he is poor, Allah promises to provide for him to sustain him. And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; We give them sustenance and yourselves (too); surely to kill them is a great wrong. [17:31]

Everyone is tested in this life whether rich or poor, and true prosperity is not achieved through money but through taqwa, patience and steadfastness in Islam.

The trials of life have nothing to do with fairness, they are to do with justice. Men and women are not equal and we are not given equal responsibilities, rather we are given even responsibilities. The rich and the poor are not even in terms of their spending power but are even in terms of how they will be dealt with, reward and punishment etc.

thanks for your long answer
you mentioned rich people turning to haram women and stuff like this
what about poor people turning to that due to the lack financly to get married ?
allah after all " Created " us with lust right ?
and people who aren't able to marry should fight this lust " ALONG " with all the stuff they fight through
every day to make simple living ?
is that sound fair ? while others have the means to marry easily and turn blind eye to haram
it does not sound fair to me if it is to you

the rich who does wrong their mistakes are only blamed on them
they did not know how to spend their money in good way
it's not the right explaintion rather a pathway to another answer which is
why god gives those who don't deserve it

it just seem not right to me

[Sorrow Embrace]

Even the scholars don't claim to know all the facts of Islam...



Unfortunately not recalled correctly. It's best for us not to paraphrase the Qur'an if we are not sure.

This is what the Qur'an actually says:

لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا

It is from the last ayah of Surah al-Baqarah, the last two ayaat of which we recite at night before sleeping, as part of our basic daily supplications.

May Allah guide you and us all. Ameen.

the meaning is the same i do not every thing litarly but in the meaning both are the same
am not interested in memorize it by heart also

[Sorrow Embrace]

The answers are clear and easily understandable.

Suppose you are a father with your wife and children and a neighbour brings an insulting accusation. The neighbour declares that you are a bad father for your family and your family hates you. The neighbour even goes so far as to say that your family only stay with you out of selfishness because of the good things that they receive. If they suffered hardship and if they were given the opportunity, he accuses, they would abandon you and leave.

How would you respond to such slanderous accusations? You might react in anger and rage and drive the man away. But would that prove to onlookers that you were right? It might actually seem to suggest that you were in the wrong and could not defend your case. How much better it would be if the members of your family themselves spoke up and declared their love for you and even proved it by sticking with you through hard times.

This would vindicate you from the accusations of your slanderous neighbour and prove him to be a liar.

Well, this is the situation that we are faced with now. God is like the accused father in that family. And Satan is the accuser. And we are like the children who can prove by our actions the loyalty and love that we have for our creator even when faced with hardship. God knows the makeup of each one of us and will not allow us to be tempted or tested beyond what we can bear. We can make God rejoice by proving our love for him and by proving Satan to be a liar.

i admire your example it's very accurate and easily understood
but suppose as father of that family you actually have giving them hardship more than they can take
and they left you " rightfully " due to the over stress and hardship you gave them
doesn't that makes you wrong in some way ?
or you'll just blame them for not staying with you and sufffer " unneccarry " tragic times
that you could have stopped any moment you wanted yet you kept them to prove your point
and they simply stayed with you as their endurance could take and then when they could not endure any more
they left ... it just proves that father didn't know when to stop

[YusufNoor]

that's the problem man ... we have to submit for unknown reason .. not logical explaination
we cannot fathoms allah's knowledge ? yet we have to just accept it as it is without questions
i do not agree to this .. questions must be answered in order to reach true belief
other wise belief is based on spiritual feelings not logic sense

:wa:

it's ok to wonder, but i would advise against questioning Allah accusingly. we know there are things we don't know.

we read in Surat al Kahf:

Sahih International
And [mention] when Moses said to his servant, "I will not cease [traveling] until I reach the junction of the two seas or continue for a long period."
18:61

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But when they reached the junction between them, they forgot their fish, and it took its course into the sea, slipping away.
18:62

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So when they had passed beyond it, [Moses] said to his boy, "Bring us our morning meal. We have certainly suffered in this, our journey, [much] fatigue."
18:63

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He said, "Did you see when we retired to the rock? Indeed, I forgot [there] the fish. And none made me forget it except Satan - that I should mention it. And it took its course into the sea amazingly".
18:64

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[Moses] said, "That is what we were seeking." So they returned, following their footprints.
18:65

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And they found a servant from among Our servants to whom we had given mercy from us and had taught him from Us a [certain] knowledge.
18:66

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Moses said to him, "May I follow you on [the condition] that you teach me from what you have been taught of sound judgement?"
18:67

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He said, "Indeed, with me you will never be able to have patience.
18:68

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And how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?"
18:69

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[Moses] said, "You will find me, if Allah wills, patient, and I will not disobey you in [any] order."
18:70

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He said, "Then if you follow me, do not ask me about anything until I make to you about it mention."
18:71

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So they set out, until when they had embarked on the ship, al-Khidh r tore it open. [Moses] said, "Have you torn it open to drown its people? You have certainly done a grave thing."
18:72

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[Al-Khidh r] said, "Did I not say that with me you would never be able to have patience?"
18:73

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[Moses] said, "Do not blame me for what I forgot and do not cover me in my matter with difficulty."
18:74

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So they set out, until when they met a boy, al-Khidh r killed him. [Moses] said, "Have you killed a pure soul for other than [having killed] a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing."
18:75

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[Al-Khidh r] said, "Did I not tell you that with me you would never be able to have patience?"
18:76

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[Moses] said, "If I should ask you about anything after this, then do not keep me as a companion. You have obtained from me an excuse."
18:77

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So they set out, until when they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food, but they refused to offer them hospitality. And they found therein a wall about to collapse, so al-Khidh r restored it. [Moses] said, "If you wished, you could have taken for it a payment."
18:78

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[Al-Khidh r] said, "This is parting between me and you. I will inform you of the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience.
18:79

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As for the ship, it belonged to poor people working at sea. So I intended to cause defect in it as there was after them a king who seized every [good] ship by force.
18:80

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And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.
18:81

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So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy.
18:82

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And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the city, and there was beneath it a treasure for them, and their father had been righteous. So your Lord intended that they reach maturity and extract their treasure, as a mercy from your Lord. And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience."

even Musa was confused!? consider that!

and Allah knows best!

[Perseveranze]

thanks for your long answer
you mentioned rich people turning to haram women and stuff like this
what about poor people turning to that due to the lack financly to get married ?
allah after all " Created " us with lust right ?
and people who aren't able to marry should fight this lust " ALONG " with all the stuff they fight through
every day to make simple living ?
is that sound fair ? while others have the means to marry easily and turn blind eye to haram
it does not sound fair to me if it is to you

the rich who does wrong their mistakes are only blamed on them
they did not know how to spend their money in good way
it's not the right explaintion rather a pathway to another answer which is
why god gives those who don't deserve it

it just seem not right to me

Asalaamu Alaikum...

Your understanding is very messed up, are you going through a hard time in life right now or something?

the rich who does wrong their mistakes are only blamed on them
they did not know how to spend their money in good way
it's not the right explaintion rather a pathway to another answer which is
why god gives those who don't deserve it

"Deserve it"? And who said being rich is what everyone wants? Why didn't Muhammad(pbuh) despite having vast opportunities of "being rich" instead chose to live a poor man's life? Why is that the case for many other people in history and even today?

Your undestanding of things is messed up, you don't want to accept any answer given and I feel people are just wasting their time =/

[Sorrow Embrace]

Asalaamu Alaikum, Brother firstly you or i are not in a position to judge the life of others. Be they poor, rich, handsome or ugly. We do not know what they go through on a daily basis. It maybe that a rich man although may look happy to you on the outiside but we know nothing about what turmoil or anguish he is going through in his life. You may look at a poor man but is may be completly content and happy with his life even more than the rich man.

Why are suicide rates in the west so much higher than anywhere else in the world? Even though the west has all of the riches in the world. Simply because people are not happy or content with their lives even though they may have wealth. Just a couple of months ago in the UK in London this millionnaire committed suicide. His family was asked his story and his mother said that he lived a normal life until he won a lot of money on th lottery. After that he bought himself a huge house and lived in it partying all of the time with his friends and he lived a life of indulgence. She mentioned sadly that out of the blue he just took his own life. When it was asked of her why her son did such a thing she said that if he did'nt win the lottery then he would still be alive today. When he won the lottery he bought whatever he wanted and he lived the high life but he was never happy. He died in a huge house all alone out of misery.

I also remember watching a documentary of a celebrity property developer who went to the slums of Bombay. He was astounded when he went there and what he had experienced. He said in a place of such poverty you would have thought that you would see people who would be miserable and depressed but they are so happy. He kept saying why are they so happy? He just could'nt understand why they were so much happier than people in the west. In the end he accepted that although these people may be the poorest people on earth but they were content and happy because they had family and friends around them and they had just about enough to survive and that was enough for them. That changed his whole perception of life because it taught him that money does not by happiness but happiness and contentment comes from other things like family, religion, feeling a sense of belonging etc.

Therefore you should never "judge" another and say just because he is rich he is happy or he is poor he is unhappy because you could not be more wrong. You do not know anything about a persons life and what they are going through and what they have experienced etc. We cannot look at another person and say they are happy even though we may always see them smile because what a person is truly going through we would never know. What is hidden inside is not necessery going to be reflected in the exterior of a person.


So accept the fact that you cannot judge who is happy or unhappy for that is something we are not aware of. We can only judge our own lives. Wealth and riches although they may bring some ease in a persons life certainly do not bring about satsifaction, contentment and happiness for it may be that a poor man has a much richer and fulfilling life than a rich man who although has all the riches in the world may live an empty existence.

So we are clear now that you can only judge your own life not the life of others. You also judged how some people are given easy or hard tests but again how can you truly know what kind of tests a person goes through throughout their lives?

A person does not just go through one or two tests in their lifetime but one goes through many tests all throughout ones life. A person may have a simple test one day and somewhere down the line get hit by a very hard test.

We all go through a varying degree of tests in our life. It doesn't mean that we are given one or two simple or hard tests. You or i will never know what kind of tests a person will go through in our lives. People do not always advertise their tests. If we were to know the kind of tests people are going through i promise we would all be shocked and think how would we ever have guessed that person is going through whay they are going through.

So my brother do not judge the life of others by what you see on the exteriour or what you hear about from others as you and i do not know how happy or sad they are throughout their lives and you and i do not know what kind of tests they will go through throughout their lives. You will only ever truly know about a fraction of a persons life and what they have been through as whatever is in the heart is hidden from us so again do not judge the life of others.

What you see on the outside is notnecesserily what is reflected on what a person is feeling on the inside. Wealth does not bring happiness nor does beauty or health. A person who is poor, ugly or ill maybe much happier and content in their life than a person who is rich, A ugly person may have more contentment, happiness and peace in their heart than a person who is beautiful. An ill person may feel more contentment and happiness than a person who has health.

It maybe that a wealthy person loses their wealth. Or a healthy person loses their health. Or a beautiful person loses their beauty. We do not know what we have until its gone. None of these things cause lifelong happiness and so you or i cannot judge happiness or sadness in ones life based on these things.

You need to ask yourself what is the purpose of my life? Is it to live, work, marry have kids and die? No of course not and if you are Muslim then you would know that is not the answer. We are only created for one purpose and that is to worship Allah. Along our journey in life we will be tested. So in effect we are in a test ground. So obviously on a test ground we are going to be tested. Maybe right now you are being tested more than me. But maybe tomorrow or next week a bigger test may come to me and your test maybe eased. Life is full of varying degree of tests.

If you have an important exam then will you pass if you don't revise? The simple fact is that if you don't work hard and make the effort then you will fail. Therefore you will have to work very hard to pass your exams. Sameway we are in an examination but the only difference is it can end at any second as we are not aware when our exam will come to an end. So just like an examination there will be easier and harder tests. So if we want to pass we need to put the effort in and that applies to anything in life. You have to work hard to get what you want. Sameway if you want Paradise then you have to work for it.

But let me ask you something. our life is on average 70 years. Lets say your 30. You have on average 40 years left in this life. Now if you devote 40 years of your life to Allah then you will gain eternity of bliss in return. Is that fair?

40 years worship= Eternity in Paradise

That is very unfair. Why should we be given eternity of bliss in Paradise for only 40 to 50 years of devotion? That doesn't seem fair to me that we should be given so much for such little devotion. That is being too generous but Allah is the most generous. For just 40 - 50 years of suffering and patience he will give eternity of bliss in Paradise. That is like a few seconds compared to eternity.

Now if a person suffered more and was patient relying on Allah, invested more into the hereafter as in worshipping and pleased Allah and another person just did minimal as in prayed, fasted and kept away from major sin etc then is it fair that they both go to the same Paradise? Of course not and that is because there are many different levels of Paradise depending on how much one put into the hereafter and pleasing Allah. The more suffering one endures with patience and the more one invests into the hereafter the higher the rank of that person will be in Paradise. The difference between one Paradise to another is like this earth and when you look up at the night sky and the star that you see far far away.

So everyone will get what they are entitled to according to their situation and what they went through in life . That is something we cannot know or judge. Only Allah has that knolwedge for he is the best of all judges and Ais most just and true justice will ONLY happen in the next world.

Therefore we are getting SO much more in return for our short life in this world yet we still complain? In the hereafter the currency will be good deeds not money or gold. Once we see our deeds we will wish we went through so much more suffering and endured it for the pleasure of Allah just so that we can gain more good deeds.

So the Reward of going through difficult trials and hardships is so much more than the suffering that oen would have gone through!

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah Allah's Messenger (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, when people who have suffered affliction are given their reward, those who are healthy will wish their skins had been cut to pieces with scissors when they were in the world." (Al-Tirmidhi #1570)

We will wish we had invested so much more just so that could have had more good deeds. We will wish we were taken back to the earth so that we can live this life again just so that we can live a life pleasing Allah and doing good deeds but we will not be able to as this is our ONLY chance. We must NOT waste this one chance we have.

Shaythan is always trying to deter us from the right path and one of the ways he tries this is by telling us how unfair Allah is when in reality what we will get in return for our devotion and patience is WAY TOO MUCH than we deserve. It is a bit like your manager giving you a million pounds a day for the current job you are doing. The simple fact is will get MUCH more than we can ever comprehend for the little good we would have done in this world.

If we think deeply about the favours Allah has done for us for will never be able to comprehend his favours because they are too numerous. What is required of us is so little in return for what we will get inshallah. So let us realise that Allah has given us too too much for us to ever even think of thinking of him as being unfair. He created us so knows what is best for us.

And Allah knows best in all matters

hey bro .. thanks for replying and i suppose your reply is very reasonable
but to share few concerns and points i'd like to point to

first : does sadness befalls only on the rich ? does happiness befalls only on the poor ?
i guess both are exposed to it on equal doses
more to describe poor people are more exposed to sadness than the rich
due the daily stress and struggles to make the living in this harsh existence
a father with ill son and not enough money to treat him is a tragic
a rich person would pay easily and not worry about it
now of course money don't grant health or cure .. but it's the mean to it
a cancer can be removed by operation not prayers
healing and success in those matters is returned to allah then
so we agree that sadness and happiness does not serperate rich from poor
and comes for both of them ?

secondly : now the tests in this life vary in level of difficulty and the resources given to you to help you through them it's fact
i know allah offord higher heavens to people who endure more than others
but my point is by giving them harder test you giving them also higher risk to fail
it's like easy small gain but safe in heaven ... hard .. big reward .. high chance to fail
and the fact we didn't choose the difficulty of those tests
neither we choosed the means and previlage given to us to go through those tests
a person with very hard test and so little previlages giving to him by allah
is easily jusified to fail in my opinion
and a person with easy test and alot of means to success in this test
is highly to success but not coz he's better ... but allah favored him over the first person
would allah put to hell those who fail at hard tests ? but why not think that the test was more hard than other people ? why to ignore this fact and pretend they earned their fate but the fact is .. they were forced on their fate

and i reliaze that allah was generous to reward us with eternal life in heaven for the suffering of few years on earth but the person should ask
why must i suffer through those years to gain heaven at the end
while others lives it comfortably also worshiping allah and go to heaven at the end
the reward is surely bigger but so the odd to fail under pressure
does allah feels the same way we do ? or his nature cannot be compared to human feelings ?
does allah feels people's pain ? i really doubt this

you mentioned this is one chance we get at life .. yet we find our self giving smaller chance of success
or bigger chance of success than others .. to treat fairly all must be given equal chance

thanks for your time bro

[Soulja Girl]

:sl:

Are you questioning Allah? Do you not believe in something called "fate"? There's wisdom behind everything Allah does, we have absolutely no right whatsoever to question what Allah wishes.

Edit: Asking too many questions could lead to destruction.. :><: So.. Just be careful yea?

:wa:

[Sorrow Embrace]

:wa:

it's ok to wonder, but i would advise against questioning Allah accusingly. we know there are things we don't know.

we read in Surat al Kahf:



even Musa was confused!? consider that!

and Allah knows best!

thanks .. that's my point exactly .. even musa questioned what seemed wrong to him
why shouldn't we ? in order to truely understand
am unlike some people here who refuse to question anything about allah
i presuit knowledge which lies in understand the reason behind allah's action
not to insult him but to understand and satisfy my need to know
evently to complete my believe and subit " logicaly " before spiritualy

[Sorrow Embrace]

Asalaamu Alaikum...

Your understanding is very messed up, are you going through a hard time in life right now or something?



"Deserve it"? And who said being rich is what everyone wants? Why didn't Muhammad(pbuh) despite having vast opportunities of "being rich" instead chose to live a poor man's life? Why is that the case for many other people in history and even today?

Your undestanding of things is messed up, you don't want to accept any answer given and I feel people are just wasting their time =/

then i would kindly advice you not to waste your time with me
mohammad was given the choice .. i wasn't .. you weren't
without questions we would have never learned anything

[M.I.A.]

what if you were told there's new prophet and new religion
and you didn't agree to this
would it justify me mocking you and say how old are you ? 10 ? why don't you believe this ?
but you were right to refuse that religion as false due to the lack of evidences on that
just because you don't have the answer to this question doesn't mean the question is silly or am thinking like
10 years old kid

everybody follows somebody, look at how many people watch football.. 60 thousand and there are many teams in the league.
i could make other examples that are a lot more complicated as many would consider them to be the correct way.
this probably angers many but they do not need to claim to be prophets to mislead you..

and that is the crux of the problem, the winner is correct and the losers have no justification to claim correctness ever again...if god is fair.. but thats not how it is.. probably.

the world is a joke though, seriously
keeping religion simple is the best way, let god sort em out.

[Sorrow Embrace]

:sl:

Are you questioning Allah? Do you not believe in something called "fate"? There's wisdom behind everything Allah does, we have absolutely no right whatsoever to question what Allah wishes.

Edit: Asking too many questions could lead to destruction.. :><: So.. Just be careful yea?

:wa:

that's what i was trying to say but people fail to reliaze
we might not know the reason behind allah's action
which results that we eiather takes his actions right .. for granted .. follow blindly without questioning
or we consider those actions wrong .. and what ? suffer in hell for simply judging correctly
with the " limited " knowledge we were given
what choices there is ? both choices seem to be messed up
allah courage us to think and analyze .. but when we reach something we see in allah's actions as wrong
and we unable to justifiy it or explain it ... should eiather blindly submit .. or consider it wrong ?

am asking you this .. which choice you'd take ?

[M.I.A.]

the choice is faith,

ask a blind muslim
ask a deaf muslim

they both walk in the world, not having a faculty that we think is needed for discerning truth from lies.
whatever they do.. in an imperfect manner, allah swt is well aware of them.

belief in allah stw is the only thing i have trust in, what happens after that is just how it is.

..not easy to live with

[Uthman]

I haven't read the discussion fully but I have an idea of what you're talking about and I think the following quotations from some of the great Islamic figures in the past who possessed deep understanding might help to put things into perspective with regards to the way issues like these are viewed in Islam:

Imam Ibn'l Qayyim (rahimahullah) writes:

The divine decree related to the believer is always a bounty, even if it is in the form of withholding (something that is desired), and it is a blessing, even if it appears to be a trial, and an affliction that has befallen him is in reality a cure, even though it appears to be a disease!

Unfortunately, due to the ignorance of the worshipper, and his transgressions, he does not consider anything to be a gift or a blessing or a cure unless he can enjoy it immediately, and it is in accordance with his nature. If he were only given a little bit of understanding, then he would have counted being withheld from as a blessing, and the sickness as a mercy, and he would relish the trouble that befalls him more than he relishes his ease, and he would enjoy poverty more than he enjoys richness, and he would be more thankful when he is blessed with little than when he is blessed with a lot.

Sufyan ath-Thawri (rahimahullah) also said:

Verily, when Allah withholds, He actually gives, because He did not withhold on account of miserliness or stinginess, but rather He looked at the benefit of the servant.

So the fact that He withheld is actually His choice for the servant and His excellent decision.

In short, it is in our nature as human beings to view negatively the fact that our immediate desires are not being satisfied. However, this does not take into account the fact that this is actually beneficial for us in the long run (according to Islam), but we are too short-sighted to see it. There are many ahadeeth which talk about the benefits of us suffering in this life, particularly the fact that it serves as an expiation for our sins which we then won't be punished for in the afterlife. I don't know if this helps.

[M.I.A.]

sometimes i feel like a beast in a cage, everytime i reach through the bars for something.. they move the bloody cage lol!

my insolence preceeds me. i know iv been ungratefull.

[Woodrow]

you make it sound like bad things can only happen to rich people
the things you mentioned those bad things would happen to poor people as well
suffering befalls on rich and poor alike ...

When it comes to thinking of wealth in terms of being rich or poor I meet the criteria of poverty level. But I do live in immense wealth in terms of being able to see and enjoy the vast bounty of Creation Allaah(swt) has placed upon this earth. I can see the vast open space of the plains, the beautiful sunrises and sunsets and the abundance of wildlife that inhabits the plains.

only rich have the means to deal with it easily
and the poor suffers and start questioning the nature order of things and the fairness of it
it's not fair trade

This region I live in, while in the USA is one of the most poverty stricken regions in the world. Live in the lands inhabited by the Lakotah, Nakotah,Madakotah and the Dakotah people is not what one thinks of when they think of life in America. Yet, among this hardship and poverty I am surrounded by some of the happiest people I have ever met. They may be angry people at the injustices of life, but they understand that they have many joys not available to those who live among wealth and comfort.

To understand this region do a google search for "Pine Ridge Oglala Sioux reservation" "Crow Creek Sioux Reservation" "Cheyenne River Lakotah Sioux Reservation" and "Standing Rock Lakotah Sioux Reservation". Yet in spite of great hardship, it seems the poorest of the poor have the greatest strength to endure it, along with the ability to see the beauty of life. Ease and comfort can hinder a person's ability to see joy. Just my personal experience, but in my life I have found the poor and suffering many times more able to see the fairness of Allaah(swt) then I have seen among the wealthy and those who live a life of ease.

[Uthman]

I've heard it said that the highest rates of suicide occur amongst the rich. Something to think about. :)

[Perseveranze]

then i would kindly advice you not to waste your time with me
mohammad was given the choice .. i wasn't .. you weren't
without questions we would have never learned anything

That makes my point then doesn't it, not everyone in the world wants riches. How do you know you would be happy by being rich? You think you know yourself well don't you?

Ever thought that this may be the best test Allah(swt) has given you? The fact that your at unrest right now, questioning things, being tested with patience and understanding. Maybe if you were rich, you might not have such a test because of it's ease.

Everyone gets tested and these tests aren't suppose to be easy, everything has a reason, a purpose. Our small brains could never comprehend the reasoning behind everything in this world.

[FS123]

Uncle Woodrow, you have made my day.... Thanks!

I'm gonna quote some of your replies on my blog if thats ok.

['Abd-al Latif]

Like I said earlier, justice is more broad than being fair and this is why Allah calls Himself the Just, so you should not continuously complain that Allah is unfair due to a lack of understanding of His attributes. Men and woman are different and are not equal but this does not mean that Allah is being unfair? No, because both share the same obligations with the exception of some differences that are specific to a gender. And if men and women fulfil their duties and responsibilities towards Allah they will be rewarded equally, as Allah says, "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female [3:195] In other words, Allah will not allow the reward of the doers of good to be lost whether one is a male or female. The same thing can be said for the ones who are rich and poor.

Allah further says, On no soul does Allah place a burden greater than it can bear... [2:286]. This means that the poor will not be burdened to the extent that they will have no option but to turn to haram. And if they do turn to haram then this will be a 'choice' that they will willingly make. The reasons for this choice could be many such as impatience, lack of faith or evil intentions.

You cannot question what Allah does because He knows what we do not, His decree is always for a greater good. He did not created the heavens and the earth out of foolishness, nor will He decree something out of foolishness. He cannot be questioned for His acts, but they will be questioned (for theirs). [21:23]

Do not look at the religion through the intellect or try to interpret it through a lack of understanding. I fail to see what 'fairness' with regards to marriage and wealth has anything to do with the belief in Islam and Allah. Unless you're nitpicking and making a meal out of the most futile of issues just because of personal disagreement.

thanks for your long answer
you mentioned rich people turning to haram women and stuff like this
what about poor people turning to that due to the lack financly to get married ?
allah after all " Created " us with lust right ?
and people who aren't able to marry should fight this lust " ALONG " with all the stuff they fight through
every day to make simple living ?
is that sound fair ? while others have the means to marry easily and turn blind eye to haram
it does not sound fair to me if it is to you

the rich who does wrong their mistakes are only blamed on them
they did not know how to spend their money in good way
it's not the right explaintion rather a pathway to another answer which is
why god gives those who don't deserve it

it just seem not right to me

[Hiroshi]

i admire your example it's very accurate and easily understood
but suppose as father of that family you actually have giving them hardship more than they can take
and they left you " rightfully " due to the over stress and hardship you gave them
doesn't that makes you wrong in some way ?
or you'll just blame them for not staying with you and sufffer " unneccarry " tragic times
that you could have stopped any moment you wanted yet you kept them to prove your point
and they simply stayed with you as their endurance could take and then when they could not endure any more
they left ... it just proves that father didn't know when to stop

God is not causing or inflicting hardship. Satan is the one causing all the problems. But God does not allow Satan to go beyond certain limits.

Also if we obey God, fully trust in him and pray for help, God will give us extraordinary power. It is possible to endure and find the way out of difficulty, not in our own strength, but in God's strength. This is God's promise to us. And we also have the assurance that the human suffering, injustice and wickedness will eventually disappear because there will come a time when the righteous will inherit the whole earth (Surah 21:105).

[MustafaMc]

i presuit knowledge which lies in understand the reason behind allah's action
not to insult him but to understand and satisfy my need to know
evently to complete my believe and subit " logicaly " before spiritualy

It seems to me that herein lies your problem. We are mere creatures at the mercy of the Creator and He knows any and everything about us even our deepest and inner most thoughts. We know so very little about Allah (subhana wa ta ala) and that being what He has revealed to us. Allah (swt) exists and yet He exists outside of our realm of existence which is that of space and time. I can't understand how Allah (swt) knows at the same time the intimate details of the creation of the universe and He knows those of its end.

Your question is valid in the same sense of the question, "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?" The answers presuppose certain things in order to be answered. An essential part of the Islamic faith is in Al-Qadar and is the most difficult one for me to comprehend. Each of us have what has been written for us and, as others have indicated, what matters is what we do with 'the hand that has been dealt to us'. Which brings to mind a country song by Kenny Rogers, 'The Gambler' where he sings: 'Cuz every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser, and the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.' The point is that no matter your station in life there are others who have it seemingly better (winners) and others who have it worse (losers), but in the end we all end up standing before Allah (swt) giving an account for how we played the hand we were dealt. Are you going to go through life being mad at the dealer and complaining that you were not dealt a royal flush or 4 aces in the game of life?

[Snowflake]

Sorrow Embrace;1404495]i do not like the way of this sound

And I don't like the way you speak about Allah. Allah is my Rabb. My Creator. No one speaks blasphemy about Allah that way in front of me. Do you think you can undermine Allah's attributes without any consequence? Your rebellion was obvious from your first post.

.. by that i mean the way you trying to make it sound like am ungrateful for anything yet taking things he gave me and using them and yet am ungrateful

I didn't have to.

you see god created me ... now if he don't approve to me breathing from " his " air he shouldn't have created me at the first place

This is a perfect example of the rebellion I mentioned.

i worked hard for the little i have NOT ALLAH GAVE IT TO ME

Na udhu billah. You just proved me right.

I simply earn what i have not given easily by allah like some people

Only Allah can help you.

i am ungrateful .. for my body is the only thing allah ever gave me ..

SubhanAllah no one can help you but Allah.

beside unanswered questions now you might say well he gave you healthy body and some people don't have that only proves my point that those people aren't treated fairly .. it's not only about me .. it's general question

Are you serious? My brothers and sisters went out of their way to provide you with answers and explanations, and you just proved it was all in vain. Na udhu billah, you still think Allah is unfair. Doesn't knowing that those who seem deprived will be compensated by Allah with more than what they suffered with, tell you Allah is Fair and Just? Contemplate man!!

and again am not a prophet .. am simple human with needs and hunger for answer that " allah " planted at the first place ... if allah don't want us to be curious and ask question why did he make us curious in nature ?
and demanding on answers

Just curious? I used to question things I didn't understand. But unlike you my questions weren't void of respect of Allah subhana wa ta'ala. You didn't even give Allah's name the respect to type it with a capital 'A'. Yet you made sure your own user name was spelt correctly. You speak of Allah as if He (na udhu billah) is a person, not The Lord of the Worlds. Your curiosity isn't based on ignorance. It's a symptom of the rebellion brewing within you.

there's no iman without understanding ..

This is a poor philosophy. Islam didn’t start with understanding of how and why. It started with blind faith. When alcohol was prohibited later on, the devoted did not ask why? They emptied their vessels onto the streets with full faith in Allah’s knowledge and wisdom. That is called understanding. Thus understanding comes from imaan, not vice versa.
There are people today who are illiterate as the day they were born. They have no knowledge, yet they possess understanding. This proves again that understanding is borne from imaan. It is the fertile soil from which understanding grows. Knowledge is a tool for harvesting that understanding.

and no understanding without answers
we may judge so shallow as humanbeings and with the knowledge lend to us by allah
but that means we shouldn't judge at all ?

Not sure what you're saying here.

would you let criminal go for murder if you commited for reason
you do not know ?of course not .. you need to know the reason first before considering
all and all ..

Not sure why you're comparing a criminal case to belief in Allah's Fairness and Wisdom.
Don't question Allah's attributes, might He put you in a situation where you beg for His mercy and forgiveness but your worldly agony only ends with death. Allah said acquire knowledge so that we can excel in our deen, not to prove/question His authority and will.

thanks for your reply

Don't feel special. I don't care about you or your problems. I replied out of anger because you insulted my Creator.

i thank people as attempt to be polite for the time they spared to answer and argue
insult to allah or not ... we can never learn if we always thought things your way ..
that's insult to allah. . that's not right to ask .. that's blasphmy ect ect ect
we end up taking things for granted without actual understanding
yes i ask questions am not ashamed of it and never will be

I honestly don't care if others were polite. We are supposed to feel anger at he who insults the Prophet (saw) and execute him. Yet you insult Allah, The Lord of the Worlds, and expect those who love Him to be nice to you? You have denied Allah's attributes. Accused Him of being unjust. You, after everyone's efforts to answer your so-called question, you still claimed to have earned everything yourself, stating Allah gave you nothing but a body. Na udhu billah. You have committed kuffar. It was obvious from the start you're up to your neck in rebellion. Those seeking knowledge ask about Allah with sincerity and manners, not accusations and blasphemy.

You're a fitnah. May Allah guide you or remove you from where His name is mentioned with honour and love. Ameen.

[siam]

Interesting question.....my opinion......

The Quran says everyone is equal, yet we see around us, some people are rich and some are poor---so how can they be equal?

Blessings come with an equal weight of responsibility.
Those who have been given more blessings (such as wealth) have more responsibilities. On the day of Judgement, they will be Judged accordingly. Those who have less blessings, have less responsibilities---for example, those who live in oppressive societies will be Judged according to the level of freedom they had to fulfill God's will......

Does that mean that those who give up all their wordly goods and go off to the mountains or forests to pray and meditate have a better chance to go to Paradise?----after all, if they are poor, they have "less responsibilty"?----the Quran says no. To escape wordly responsibilty by choice is not the same as dealing with it to the best of our (God-given)ability. We decide our destiny through our use of our free-will and we will be held accountable for any abuse.

The tests God gives us are for our own benefit as they are aids in our spiritual growth. There are things in life which we do not have a choice, but as Epictetus says "...we always have a choice about the contents and character of our inner lives."

[Sorrow Embrace]

And I don't like the way you speak about Allah. Allah is my Rabb. My Creator. No one speaks blasphemy about Allah that way in front of me. Do you think you can undermine Allah's attributes without any consequence? Your rebellion was obvious from your first post.



I didn't have to.



This is a perfect example of the rebellion I mentioned.



Na udhu billah. You just proved me right.



Only Allah can help you.



SubhanAllah no one can help you but Allah.



Are you serious? My brothers and sisters went out of their way to provide you with answers and explanations, and you just proved it was all in vain. Na udhu billah, you still think Allah is unfair. Doesn't knowing that those who seem deprived will be compensated by Allah with more than what they suffered with, tell you Allah is Fair and Just? Contemplate man!!



Just curious? I used to question things I didn't understand. But unlike you my questions weren't void of respect of Allah subhana wa ta'ala. You didn't even give Allah's name the respect to type it with a capital 'A'. Yet you made sure your own user name was spelt correctly. You speak of Allah as if He (na udhu billah) is a person, not The Lord of the Worlds. Your curiosity isn't based on ignorance. It's a symptom of the rebellion brewing within you.




This is a poor philosophy. Islam didn’t start with understanding of how and why. It started with blind faith. When alcohol was prohibited later on, the devoted did not ask why? They emptied their vessels onto the streets with full faith in Allah’s knowledge and wisdom. That is called understanding. Thus understanding comes from imaan, not vice versa.
There are people today who are illiterate as the day they were born. They have no knowledge, yet they possess understanding. This proves again that understanding is borne from imaan. It is the fertile soil from which understanding grows. Knowledge is a tool for harvesting that understanding.




Not sure what you're saying here.



Not sure why you're comparing a criminal case to belief in Allah's Fairness and Wisdom.
Don't question Allah's attributes, might He put you in a situation where you beg for His mercy and forgiveness but your worldly agony only ends with death. Allah said acquire knowledge so that we can excel in our deen, not to prove/question His authority and will.




Don't feel special. I don't care about you or your problems. I replied out of anger because you insulted my Creator.




I honestly don't care if others were polite. We are supposed to feel anger at he who insults the Prophet (saw) and execute him. Yet you insult Allah, The Lord of the Worlds, and expect those who love Him to be nice to you? You have denied Allah's attributes. Accused Him of being unjust. You, after everyone's efforts to answer your so-called question, you still claimed to have earned everything yourself, stating Allah gave you nothing but a body. Na udhu billah. You have committed kuffar. It was obvious from the start you're up to your neck in rebellion. Those seeking knowledge ask about Allah with sincerity and manners, not accusations and blasphemy.

You're a fitnah. May Allah guide you or remove you from where His name is mentioned with honour and love. Ameen.

bah ... you call me names ? and stuff coz i ask questions you did not dare ?
i didn't ask your sympathy on anything yet thanks for being " so nice "
however ... neither do i care about your blank and primeval opinion " with the atttitude " that suits it
people like you who drive people away from islam .. not like me

it's the religion of peaces ... courage to ask .. knowledge ... as muslim if i didn't loved to be part of this
religion .. i wouldn't give a **** about asking questions and seeking answers
i would simply curse god for no reason yet i search for asnswers .. some people are open minded
and asome are fantatic ... i believe if it was up to you .. you would order me killed for asking question eh ?
real typicall

as stupid as it sounds but you simply saying all those things about me .. for the simple fact you don't have the
answer neither did you understand your self ... you promot the idea of blind belief
and you said it ..

seem you are very very angry at me for asking questions ... why not angry at allah for allowing children to starve to death ? for allowing families and millions dies wrongfully
but nah ... you are too blinded with faith to ask such question .. actually faith is the not right word
people with faith are open minded .. like our prophet was

ABOVE ALL
look at your last line you should be ashamed of your self
You're a fitnah. May Allah guide you or "remove you from where His name is mentioned with honour and love. Ameen."

how many sinners and kuffar ever went to the prophet ? did he make statements such as you did ?
no he didn't fact is ... i " maybe " better than you
do you know me in real life to say such things ? i don't think so

here's little something for you

من كان يؤمن بالله و اليوم الاخر" فليقل خيرا او ليصمت " و من كان يؤمن بالله و اليوم الاخر فليكرم ضيفه و من كان يؤمن بالله و اليوم الاخر فليكرم جاره

you should start working on correcting your own flaws Sister
but thanks you showed me real respect ... may allah forgive you

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[Sorrow Embrace]

i must thanks all the members who welcomed this question and explained "some" of the points
and regardless of the sensitive type of question .. thank you all

although some of things don't seem clear yet but maybe allah will answer his own way in time
i apolozie for not posting in the topic again due to some harsh opinion and fanatics
who don't know blasphmy from questions

allah couraged us to ask and learn and be guided by mind before " spirit "
yet it seems some people here think they can judge people and act with major disrespect
on the other hand there's people who welcome questions with heart and try to answer them

however .. i thank the second type of people and the first type " allah forgives you inchallah "
for you may need more help and guidience from allah than I do
and as i said first .. there was no intetion to insult anyone's belief
just sensetive questions

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

:sl:

I just came across something on the 3rd page of this thread by sorrow about knowing more than someone. It is utter arrogance to claim to know more than someone, especially if you have never met them, let alone the internet. Never should you claim to know more than someone as that is not the character of a humble person. Remember that :)

People complain about Allaah not being fair when they are sitting here in front of the PC, being given minute upon minute to live and breathe and be able to communicate. Had Allaah not created you, you wouldnt even be talking right now. Had you not been given a mind and some sort of intellect, you would not be here talking to us about this.

Rather than counting what you dont have or wish to have, u should spend your time counting the blessings of Allaah subhanahu wa Ta'ala because trust me, you could never do it for yourself and never will you be able to lift a finger on your own, without Allaah willing it. Allaah gives you sorrow so that when u experience happiness, you cherish it. When you are given happiness, you should think about those who have less than you. It's a whole cycle where which one cant exist without the other.

Some have this idea that its nothing but suffering for some and nothing but happiness for others, while it is not true. People look up to celebrities thinking they have a lot, yet they are the most disturbed and empty people on this planet. They have material happiness but not of the heart and soul.

It's easy to say you believe in Allaah but the real deal is acting upon it. Ilm wa amal, not just ilm.

[Woodrow]

i must thanks all the members who welcomed this question and explained "some" of the points
and regardless of the sensitive type of question .. thank you all

although some of things don't seem clear yet but maybe allah will answer his own way in time
i apolozie for not posting in the topic again due to some harsh opinion and fanatics
who don't know blasphmy from questions

allah couraged us to ask and learn and be guided by mind before " spirit "
yet it seems some people here think they can judge people and act with major disrespect
on the other hand there's people who welcome questions with heart and try to answer them

however .. i thank the second type of people and the first type " allah forgives you inchallah "
for you may need more help and guidience from allah than I do
and as i said first .. there was no intetion to insult anyone's belief
just sensetive questions

:sl: Ahki,

It is indeed a very sensitive question and one that does invoke emotional feelings. It is difficult to separate the emotional feeling from simple logic. Any questioning of Allaah(swt) carries with it the message that the person asking is either blasphemous or lacking in faith. Both of which may often be the case, but that should not imply that even the most sensitive question can not be asked out of sincerity and a desire to understand.

Any valid answer to your question will come from the repliers personal experiences, degree of faith, and level of understanding. This is not the type of question that can be answered with tangible and physical evidence.

Perhaps the best answers can only come from your own evaluation of how you yourself feel Allaah(swt) has treated you either fairly or unfairly. It is pointless to try to determine if another person if another person has been treated fairly or unfairly, as only that person knows his/her feeling of the happenings in that person's life.

Keep searching for your answer but keep in mind that fairness does not always mean being given the same things or in the same abundance. Each person is an individual with specific needs and to fulfill these needs different things are needed. What is a blessing to one person may be a curse to another and vive-versa.

Look first to find ways in which Allaah(swt) has treated you fairly and use that as a starting point to see the fairness of Allaah(swt)

Allaah(swt) has given us free will and he has given us the ability to choose either the path that leads to Jannah or the path to hellfire. That is Fair. He has also given us challenges and temptations to choose to follow or to fight against, he has given us the strength to overcome the temptations that lead us away from Jannah. Although we each travel through this De'en as individuals, we are all given the same degree of trials and strengths, but suited to be Fairest for each of us. This is the Fairness of Allaah(swt) that one day will be the only fairness we need to have concerned ourselves about.

[Aprender]

I wondered a question similar to this when I was much younger than I am now. I looked around the world and saw people who have, and who have not. I wondered why God made it so people have to suffer more than others, just like the author of this tread but then I understood. It seems really strange to me that you would blame, if that's the right word, Allah for what is "fair" and what is not "fair".

Allah (swt) created this world for us. We inhabit it. It is our job to take care of this earth. Yet, there are some people in this world who don't play by the rules. While there are people in other parts of the world who are dying of hunger everyday, there are people in the United States who are dying from over-consumption of food. We have an abundance but we certainly don't do all that we can to help those in need. Many just make excuses.

People have put political systems in place that make it so there will always be people who are without. Whether it is access to education, food, clean water, clothes, etc. There is not an equal distribution of wealth in the world and that is because some people simply take more than they need. Others just don't have a moral compass. Some are just greedy and really don't care. As long as they "take care of their own" then the rest of the world just doesn't matter. There are a lot of people these days, at least in my area, who live by "sucks to be you." if something bad ever happened.

Tell me, if people did what Allah (swt) said we should do, prayed, gave charity, treated their fellow brothers and sisters with respect, we probably wouldn't have these "rich" and "poor" issues in the world as you see it now. There might be some people who have more than others, but not to the extent of the devastation that you see today. I see the poverty in the world as a mirror that looks back on us in this day and time and says, "Who are we and what have we become?" Generations from now people will study our time in history books and they'll see how we let other generations of people die, while there were nations in the world who could have helped that, but they just didn't. The ones in power didn't and we rarely do anything to tell those in power to do anything about it. As long as "my people" are OK then who cares about the others? That's how it is in the USA. There are citizens who think that we should help ourselves before we help anyone else, even if anyone else is much worse off than we are. People here don't see humanity as one, but divided nations. The problem is we now live in a world where people think they know better than God when Allah knows best. Not all people quite understand that.

So you want to blame Allah (swt) for some of mankind's misdeeds and selfishness? I think what you need to do is take a look in the mirror at yourself. Instead of blaming Allah (swt), what have you done lately to help fix some of what is wrong in your community? What have you done to help tone down some of the education and poverty issues that plague the community that you live in? What have you done to inspire others around you to help fix some of these problems? I imagine not much or else you wouldn't be on the message board asking this question.

May Allah give you the strength to see the beauty in your community and to help out your fellow brothers and sisters.
Allahumma inne asaloka wal amaan e wal imaan fid dunya wal akhera. Ameen.

[Ali Mujahidin]

Allah is way beyond fair. You remind me of a man who asked one Muslim scholar:

"Why, if Allah is all that great, can't Allah just make all man good?"

To which the Muslim scholar answered:

"If everything in the world tasted sweet, you will not know what is the taste of sweet. If everything in the world were colored white, you will not know what is the color of white."

To try to understand Allah, to use a very poor analogy, is to be like a fly that tries to understand a frog. The difference in magnitude of intelligence is simply too great a chasm to be bridged. Actually you don't have to understand Allah to be able to live fully as a Muslim. Myself, I just try my best to do what Allah says to do, and tries my best not to do what Allah forbids to do. And I find that life is wonderful. AlhamduliLLah.

[selsebil]

Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

It is certainly the case that Allah knows how we act and live in this world. He sends us to be tested by Him, so that we can improve our abilities and skills through the responsibilities He ordains for us. Undoubtedly, Allah creates us just as He creates minerals such as coal, copper, iron, silver and gold: He is the Lord, the Cherisher, the Owner and Maker of all.

A person with artistic talents wants to express those talents and so is known through his works of art. In the same way, the majesty and splendour and artistry of the creation of Allah is a presentation and reflection of His sacred Names and Attributes. To show human beings His art (Might, Power, Knowledge, Wisdom, Beauty and Mercy) He created the universe and exhibited aspects of His mysterious, hidden treasures in it.

To show us how His Names, Attributes and Divine Art become manifest, He created the universe step by step. In different qualities and quantities, He grants us countless opportunities to get to know Him better, endless ways to acquire sound knowledge about Him. He is the absolute Creator who makes everything from one, and adds to whatever He wills thousands of additional benefits. Thus it is that, for example, carbon may be manifest as coal or diamond, and each further refined and adapted to a multitude of different uses.

Through whatever is created and exhibited in the universe and is given to man, man himself is tested, purified and prepared as a candidate for eternal bliss in paradise. In the same way, raw materials are refined, purified and processed into silver, gold or diamonds. In one hadith, the Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace, said: ‘Human beings are just like minerals. One who is good in jahiliyya (the time of pagan ignorance in Arabia before Islam) is also good in Islam’ (Bukhari, Iman, 10, Anbiya’, 8–14; Muslim, Fada’il al-Sahaba, 168, Mana-qib, 25; Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 3, 101). For example, ‘Umar enjoyed dignity, glory and honour before Islam, but when he became a Muslim he had more. He gained a calmer dignity, tender-heartedness and the grandeur of iman. Before Islam, he might be tough, quick-tempered, haughty, as one who thought he had everything; after becoming Muslim, he was one of the most modest and humble of men in his bearing towards the believers. Through Islam, he improved his qualities and attributes. Therefore, when we see well-mannered, dynamic, ener-getic, audacious and spirited people, we wish them to be Muslim, for one who was good, great, glorious and es-teemed before Islam will be far more so in Islam.
Islam deals with the most precious and invaluable of minerals─man. It takes man, kneads, improves and ma¬tures him, refining him as gold is refined pure. The Com¬panions of the Prophet, upon him be peace, became so, 24 carat pure. Later on, however, Muslims began to fall off from this standard of fineness, from 24 to 15 carats. In the twentieth century, some people have even fallen to a standard of one carat or less in their fineness. In consequence, sadly, this century has witnessed the trouble caused by many dissolute and criminal persons.
We are tested in this world so that we may become clari¬fied, purified and attain virtue and perfection. Even though Allah knows how well or otherwise we perform in the test, He tests us all the same. It is not because He does not know and wants to learn what He does not know through us, rather He knows and accordingly tests a man against himself, and man against others. When we make strenuous efforts to refine ourselves, to find out and prove what we are, what we have, and whether we are worthless and valueless like iron or great like gold, we are only acting as a means to make happen what Allah already knows from eternity. We are tested in what we strive for, and in what we exert ourselves to do. In this way, we shall enter the presence of Allah and give account of ourselves to Him: ...But their hands will speak to us, and their feet bear witness, to all that they did (al-Fussilat, 41.65). ‘Hands and feet’ symbolically represent all our instruments for action, all the members of our bodies, including our faculties and opportunities. In other verses, ‘eyes, ears and skins’ are all mentioned as bearing witness against us if we have misused them.

We are being tested against ourselves, in all that we have─all the members of our bodies, all our faculties of thought and feeling, and all the opportunities we have been granted to use them. Allah, Exalted is He, does not test us because He wants to know how we do in the test, but because He wants to show us ourselves so that we become aware that we are testing ourselves and being tested. And Allah knows best.

[Muslim Woman]

:sl:

so allah allows suffering of some people with injustice ...

Prophets pbut were the chosen people , yet they suffered more than us ( ordinary people ) . Hope u dont think
Allah did injustice to His messengers pbut ?

.. allah is not human .. how could he possiably understand human feelings ?

because He is our Creator . He knows about everything . If Allah needs to become human to
understand us , then He needs to be Jinn , angel and lower class animals to understand their feelings ?

Astagferrullah.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

this man does not believe in the akhirah it seems,


audhubillaah

[Sorrow Embrace]

sorry to bring up an old old topic
but i just wanted to say thanks to Allah
i no longer feel the same way i did years ago
i saw the forums message in my email inbox and reminded me
of why i signed up and thought i might come back and say this

now i look back at it . it seems like childish question
but it helped me alot to understand my God and religion more
and thankfully Allah gave me my answers
hopefully everyone gets their answers as well
the answer vary from person to person
and only Allah can give answer good enough to remove doubts entirely
and He will when the time is right
peace ! and again sorry to bring up a very old topic

[M.I.A.]

Allah swt is just..

I have no knowledge of the afterlife so my answer should end there.

But how do you consider this life?


Years of research..

To define your character.


Answer 1: yes its easiest to be nice when not walking up hill..

But if you ever have to walk up hill.. Try not to push a boulder along with you.

Maybe it will make you realise that every person pushes a boulder of some kind.

Or not.

Answer 2: iv been humbled or humiliated by both rich men and cleaners..

Recognise authority in its many forms. Wait till you get old.. Those flippin upstarts >:(

But yes, it would be rather nice to wear a better suit.. Or a clean one some days.

Answer 3: all you can do is try. Sometimes at least you can show how not to do it.. Or inspire others.. In work or ideas.

Let me pick your brain for a moment...

Funny I didn't think I had one :/

...I do, that was a joke

Really? I was so angry I missed it.


Question 4: yes, the most we can do is oppose Allah swt with all that we have..

If only to know our selves.

...I would pray so hard!!

(Not isreal)

Answer 5: yes the world is actually a test. I'd fight tooth and nail for what I believe in..

As much as my character allows me..

Mr.muscle the kitchen cleaner.



Imo... These are quick answers that should turn your frown upside down for a moment.

It's not entirely in jest.

You can't look up out of the hole and say how on earth did I get here?

We all get what we put forward.. Good deeds and conduct are something for Allah swt to decide on..

All you can do is try..


Out of work for an absolute age, cv's like the post man.. Finally got two job interviews in a week... Two! Count em!

Admitted to hospital a few days before and missed them both.

You couldn't make it up if you tried. Alhamdulillah.

It would be ungrateful of me to overlook those that have helped me all this time.

[ayaanaa]

Allah is fair. The Quran mentions several times that he is just. [emoji173]

[saif-uddin]

Allah tala Owns all of Creation,

He has the right to set the rules and punish accordingly any of his creation that Disobeys and Forgive whom he wills,

As stated before several times,

Allah tala is not unjust in the Least degree,

[AlfiAnfahsa]

Am i late? I think I am late..

Hello I'm 16 years old, and since around a month ago, i also have this problem of overthinking whether is Allah fair, then later on it leads me to the question "is Allah really the right God?" But judging from other religions, it seems to me that Islam is the current most logical religion out of all the others. But still, i can't stop thinking of it because in my head there's like so much conclusions... aaaaaaaaarghhh...
Have you found the answers yet?
I am very confused by this, and i think i will die before knowing the truths
Please if you know the answers to this topic, i really need it

[AlfiAnfahsa]

Help me please what was the answers

[a_user]

Am i late? I think I am late..

Hello I'm 16 years old, and since around a month ago, i also have this problem of overthinking whether is Allah fair, then later on it leads me to the question "is Allah really the right God?" But judging from other religions, it seems to me that Islam is the current most logical religion out of all the others. But still, i can't stop thinking of it because in my head there's like so much conclusions... aaaaaaaaarghhh...
Have you found the answers yet?
I am very confused by this, and i think i will die before knowing the truths
Please if you know the answers to this topic, i really need it

What makes you question Allah's fairness..?

But to answer your question yes, Allah is Just and He is the One and Only God.

[iammuslim98]

Aoa. Allah is whatever you think of Him.

[Ümit]

Aoa. Allah is whatever you think of Him.

Yes and no.

I am aware of the hadeeth:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah says: 'I am just as My slave thinks I am, (i.e. I am able to do for him what he thinks I can do for him) and I am with him if He remembers Me. If he remembers Me in himself, I too, remember him in Myself; and if he remembers Me in a group of people, I remember him in a group that is better than they; and if he comes one span nearer to Me, I go one cubit nearer to him; and if he comes one cubit nearer to Me, I go a distance of two outstretched arms nearer to him; and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running.' "

However, this does not mean that if you think "Allah is unjust" that Allah is indeed unjust in reality. Allahs justice is not dependant on our thoughts...He is ALWAYS just.

The hadeeth just means that, If you for example do not make dua because you think "Allah is unjust, so He will not grant my dua anyways"...then it means that He probably will not give you want you want...

Am i late? I think I am late..

Hello I'm 16 years old, and since around a month ago, i also have this problem of overthinking whether is Allah fair, then later on it leads me to the question "is Allah really the right God?" But judging from other religions, it seems to me that Islam is the current most logical religion out of all the others. But still, i can't stop thinking of it because in my head there's like so much conclusions... aaaaaaaaarghhh...
Have you found the answers yet?
I am very confused by this, and i think i will die before knowing the truths
Please if you know the answers to this topic, i really need it

Like sister a_user already asked, what is exactly what you are confused about?
This question is relevant because the topic is huge.
I think you just don't have enough information to see the whole picture...there are some gaps in your general knowledge about Islaam that creates confusion.
Read and investigate more and I'm sure your confusion will slowly go away.
The things that are unclear you could ask here and we can look at it together.

Right now I want to say that humans are all different and they undergo different tests. individuals that are strong, usually undergo a heavier test and weaker individuals undergo a lighter test.
No one will get a heavier burden than he/she can carry.

This of course results in an unjust world...but this world being unjust has nothing to do with Allah being unjust...those are two separate things.
depending how you have done your test in this world, you will get your reward, and that compensates the unjustness of this world more than enough.

[iammuslim98]

Aoa. I didnt know it is limited to dua only. Howeber i do believe if u think اللہ is unfair, then things become unfair and unjust.
But thanku

[Ümit]

Aoa. I didnt know it is limited to dua only. Howeber i do believe if u think اللہ is unfair, then things become unfair and unjust.
But thanku

Yes...things SEEMS to become unfair...you just earned that because you were thinking bad about Allah...so in the end it is still fair.

Allah is never unfair...if something seems unfair...then it is your own fault...not Allah.

[*charisma*]

Posting on behalf of br. @Eric H

is Allah really the right God?"

Allah chooses whom he wills, if you feel called towards Islam it is because Allah has first chosen you.

If you are not sure who Allah is, study and reflect on his 99 names.

May Allah bless you on your journey,
Eric

[iammuslim98]

Aoa. We can look at it from another perspective. Fair is a relative concept.. For some it might be unfair that they get to drive a honda, while their neighbor drives a mercedes whereas works half as hard as themselves. Fair could also mean that a person gets meals twice a day.

[Ümit]

Aoa. We can look at it from another perspective. Fair is a relative concept.. For some it might be unfair that they get to drive a honda, while their neighbor drives a mercedes whereas works half as hard as themselves. Fair could also mean that a person gets meals twice a day.

İ agree...however, it is only a relative concept because we live in an unfair world.
A person in this world could drive a mercedes without earning it.
So yes..."fair" is relative in this world.
İn the next world if someone is driving a "mercedes"...no one will be in the position of saying "that is unfair".

[AlfiAnfahsa]

Alhamdulillah, I've found my own answer.
My confusion was about the ones who don't know Islam, but they are kind peoples..
I've come to the conclusion that if they try to really learn who the true God is(of course it's Allah) they will (Insha Allah) find the answer because there are many things in their bible that are not true so of course they will sometimes come up with a question, and that will lead them to Qur'an sooner or later.

Sorry for the stupid question, and thank you for your answersᕙ(＠°▽°＠)ᕗ
stay halal brothers, may we all go to Jannah when Allah calls us.. Aamiin...

(also "Read and investigate" will really help)