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Grofica
01-28-2011, 04:50 AM
It is said that in the Beginning, before Adam and eve there was Adam and Lilith. she was made from dirt and sediment. (dirt but not as pure as Adam) and that because she was made of dirt she did not want to be subservient to man so she was cast out of eden. some believe that she when she was cast out she was cursed to give birth to demons.

Later when Cain killed able he escaped to the city over the mountains. some believe since it was only supposed to be Adam and eve and Cain and able at the time that the city he escaped to was the city of demons, the city of Eve.

not to get too off track but what is the view point on Lilith. I know she was taken out of Genius in the bible because that story was not well liked. but she does appear in a few other sections sporadicly through out the bible
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Ramadhan
01-28-2011, 06:45 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
It is said that in the Beginning, before Adam and eve there was Adam and Lilith. she was made from dirt and sediment. (dirt but not as pure as Adam) and that because she was made of dirt she did not want to be subservient to man so she was cast out of eden. some believe that she when she was cast out she was cursed to give birth to demons.

Later when Cain killed able he escaped to the city over the mountains. some believe since it was only supposed to be Adam and eve and Cain and able at the time that the city he escaped to was the city of demons, the city of Eve.

not to get too off track but what is the view point on Lilith. I know she was taken out of Genius in the bible because that story was not well liked. but she does appear in a few other sections sporadicly through out the bible
This is the first time I've heard of such story.

Well, Adam (as) was the first human created by Allah SWT, and Hawa (as) was made of him. So they were the first humans.
as for Lilith (whoever she was), you need to ask jewish scribes who invented her.
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Muslim Woman
01-28-2011, 06:53 AM
Salaam

yap , same here , read it for the first time that Adam as was not the first human being.
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Grofica
01-28-2011, 04:10 PM
Im not sure what you mean. It says adam was first. but Eve was not the first woman that was made for him. and it was not Jewish scribs that invented her it used to be in the bible too but it was removed.

who is Hawa?
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Muslim Woman
01-28-2011, 04:19 PM
Salaam


O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Hawwa (Eve)), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an AllWatcher over you.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #1)
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Grofica
01-28-2011, 04:23 PM
ok sorry i have never heard her referred to as Hawa before :-)
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Mr Fussy
01-28-2011, 07:21 PM
Mods please delete this post.

Jazakallah khair.
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Mr Fussy
01-28-2011, 07:22 PM
Lilith is a character in Jewish mythology, found earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, who is generally thought to be related to a class of female demons Līlīu in Mesopotamian texts. However, Lowell K. Handy (1997) notes that "Very little information has been found relating to the Akkadian and Babylonian view of these demons. Two sources of information previously used to define Lilith are both suspect." [1] The two problematic sources are the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arshlan-Tash amulets.

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th Century Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Kohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.
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Ramadhan
01-28-2011, 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by Grofica
Im not sure what you mean. It says adam was first. but Eve was not the first woman that was made for him
then who was the first woman created?
The qur'an does not name the first woman created, but from ahadith, the name mentioned is Hawwa.

O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you (QS. 4:1)

He it is Who did create you from a single soul, and therefrom did make his mate that he might take rest in her. And when he covered her she bore a light burden, and she passed (unnoticed) with it, but when it became heavy they cried unto Allah, their Lord, saying: If thou givest unto us aright we shall be of the thankful. (QS. 7:189)


Originally Posted by Grofica
and it was not Jewish scribs that invented her it used to be in the bible too but it was removed.
In Islam, we must not believe any narration that is not authentic. The Old Testament, a book which we know for certain was edited by humans, is a far cry from an authentic source. That is why the Prophet (PBUH) said, "When the People of the Book quote you [from there scriptures], do not believe them and do not disbelieve them!" (Reported by Al-Bukhaari; narrated by Abu-Hurayra and Ibn Abi-Namla; rated Authentic by Al-Albaani).
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Woodrow
01-28-2011, 08:43 PM
There is considerable Jewish Mythology relating to pre-Adamites. At various times throughout history it had some times worked it's way into Jewish scripture and even into some of the earliest Christian Bibles in the OT of them. Also some of the Jews did confuse mythology with scripture.
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'Abd Al-Maajid
02-03-2011, 03:23 AM
Isn't Lilith considered to be wife of Lucifer according to some people?
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Grofica
02-03-2011, 03:56 AM
no she was never considered the wife of lucifer.
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Maryan0
02-03-2011, 04:15 AM
I've also heard of this Lilith. I don't believe Islam makes any mention of her.
Salam
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Ramadhan
02-03-2011, 05:02 AM
in Qur'an and sunnah, there is also never mention of lucifer.
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'Abd Al-Maajid
02-03-2011, 05:51 AM
Originally Posted by naidamar
in Qur'an and sunnah, there is also never mention of lucifer.
Although in my previous post I mentioned Lucifer and Lilith as a couple, I agree with you that neither of the entities are mentioned in Quran and Ahadeeth.
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Aprender
03-18-2011, 03:47 AM
I was wondering the same thing and was going to make a post about this. I've heard it frequently and I've also seen the mention of Lilith in the Bible as well and did some research a few years back and found out where it came from.

Good to know it's not found anywhere in the Qur'an. I'm reading an English translation now.
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Fivesolas
03-18-2011, 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Aprender
I was wondering the same thing and was going to make a post about this. I've heard it frequently and I've also seen the mention of Lilith in the Bible as well and did some research a few years back and found out where it came from.

Good to know it's not found anywhere in the Qur'an. I'm reading an English translation now.
Where in the Bible is a Lilit mentioned?
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sherz_umr
03-18-2011, 02:32 PM
isnt lucifer satan?..
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Ramadhan
03-18-2011, 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by
isnt lucifer satan?..

lucifer is not found anywhere in qur'an or ahadeeth. Maybe it is in bible, I don't know.
the satan that was arrogant and refused Allah's command was iblees
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Eve
07-18-2019, 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Grofica
Im not sure what you mean. It says adam was first. but Eve was not the first woman that was made for him. and it was not Jewish scribs that invented her it used to be in the bible too but it was removed.

who is Hawa?
Assalamu Alaikum, Hawwa (A) is the first woman of this world and Adam's (A) first wife. There is no one called Lilith in Islam. The only demon mentioned is Iblis. Lilith is a myth ma'am/sir.
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ibrahimmifxal
08-11-2019, 08:03 PM
What's the meaning of lilith in Arabic..and is that a good name for Muslim baby girl..?
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ibrahimmifxal
08-11-2019, 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Salaam


O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Hawwa (Eve)), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an AllWatcher over you.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #1)
A salaam .. what's lilith meaning in Arabic.. is that good to call lilith to Muslim baby girl?
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Altaqwa
08-13-2019, 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by Ramadhan
in Qur'an and sunnah, there is also never mention of lucifer.
What about Surah 86?

It wasn't really until Protestants started creating their own DIY doctrines that Lucifer was associated as some kind of deity/entity, prior to that both the Jewish book of Psalms and various passages in the Christian New Testament refer to Lucifer as the morning star, literally a start in the sky.
Perhaps it's a case of astrotheology though being placed into the concept of the Shaitan (in Christianity though, their almost duotheistic deification of the Shaitan) and conflating Lucifer with it?
However there is definitely no deity/entity/demon called "Lucifer" in the Bible. But the Bible isn't scripture to begin with so we shouldn't be giving to much credence to such things.

But again to recap my first point, Surah 86 does speak of that particular Star and not in a negative way.

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*I meant to write astrolatry
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CuriousonTruth
08-13-2019, 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by ibrahimmifxal
What's the meaning of lilith in Arabic..and is that a good name for Muslim baby girl..?
No Lilith is from Jewish Zohar, a book of commentary and exegesis on the torah by Rabbis.

I had read about this is depth a long time ago so I don't remember but she had something to do with seducing Adam, according to the exegesis by rabbis.
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