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Zuzubu
04-04-2011, 07:19 AM
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Anyone can tell me the hadith og verses from Qur'an about Gog and Magog? Where are they? Is it true that they are the kids of Adam (saw) and not Eve (saw)?

Where are they? Inside a mountain in the Caucasus? Or what? So many teories about this, and King Alexander's travels where he is said to be Zul Qarnain.

Anyone can clarify this without using self-made teories?
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
04-04-2011, 11:27 AM
Wa Alaaykum As'salaam

Well to your first question, as far as i remember one of the surahs where mentioned regarding Yajuj wa majooj is in surah Al Kahf (The Cave), and probably some others too. Zul Qarnayn is also mentioned in the same surah. Maybe you should read up on the surah and the Tafsir.

Also that they Yajuj and majooj are two disbelieving tribes from among the children of Adam (as), who spread mischief in the dunya etc.

First of all, we’d like to stress that what we know for certain is that Gog and Magog are descendants of Adam who will appear before the end of the world. All information about them should be taken from the Qur’an and authentic Sunnah. We should not crave for tiny details, because it is a matter of unseen or unknown things which are known only to Almighty Allah.

I wont attempt to answer this as i have very little knowledge regarding it and only those who do will insha'Allaah try answer to their best ability.

.. peace ..
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Zuzubu
04-12-2011, 11:38 AM
Bumb, still no answer, anybody knows?
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Ramadhan
04-12-2011, 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by Zuzubu
Bumb, still no answer, anybody knows?
sister Pearl of Wisdom has answered fully, succinctly and satisfyingly in the second post.
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Ubeyde
04-12-2011, 03:07 PM
There is a lot of discussion about Yajooj and Majooj.. for example, some believe as you rightly stated that they are living behind a giant metal gate in a mountain side..
Others say Yajooj and Majooj were 99 people from Jahanam (not sure this is backed up tho).. others say that there is 2 tribes living in Georgia with the same name- but this could be done to try to make themselves popular like when Gearge Bush Jr. used to call himself the Anti-christ..

ISA someone can help :)
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Hamas
04-12-2011, 08:49 PM
The Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj

During the reign of Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) people will live an extremely peaceful life filled with prosperity and abundance. Then the wall which imprisons Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj will break and they will surge forth in large numbers.

"But when Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj are let loose and they rush headlong down every hill" (Quran 21:96)

Who are the Ya'jooj and Majooj?

Zul Qarnain (A.S.) who was a pious and just Ruler travelled to many lands and conquered them, establishing justice and the Law of Allah therein. Allah Ta'ala provided him with all forms and material strength through which he was able to carry out his conquests and missions.

He once carried out a mission in three directions, the far west, the far east, and then in a northerly direction. It was here that he came across a tribe of people who complained to him about the tribes of Ya'jooj and Majooj which inhabited the land behind two huge mountains and often emerged from behind these mountains to perpetrate acts of anarchy and plunder among them. They requested Zul Qarnain (A.S.) to erect a barrier between themselves and the tribes of Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj so that they could be saved from their atrocities. With the material strength at his disposal, Zul Qarnain (A.S.) enlisted their physical labor and set about erecting a high wall between the two mountains. The height of the wall or its exact length is unknown. What is known is that the height of this wall reaches that of the summit of both mountains. It is made with blocks or sheets of iron, which is further strengthened by molten lead. In this manner Ya'jooj and Majooj are unable to scale the wall, or cross it, except when it is the will of Allah.

"And when the promise of my Rabb approaces, He will level it to dust" (Quran 18:98)

They are situated in a land of ice which is hidden from our gazes and the exact location of which is unknown. Though many interpretations do exist in this respect, none of these can be said to absolute.

Ya'jooj and Majooj are human beings and according to a narration they are from the progeny of Yafith ibn Nooh (A.S.).

Some Ahadith...

In a lengthy hadith by Hadhrat Nawwas ibn Sam'aan (R.A.) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have said:

"...Allah will send revelation upon Eesa (A.S.) that 'Such a creation of mine is now going to emerge that no power will be able to stop them. Therefore take my servants and ascend the Mount of Toor.' Then Ya'jooj and Majooj will emerge and surge forth in all their fury. When those from among them who constitute the former part of their army pass the lake of Tiberias (which is in northern Palestine), they will drink up all the water of that lake and by the time those that constitute the latter part of that same army pass the lake, they will say, "There used to be water here (long ago). When they reach the Mount of Khamr in Jerusalem, they will arrogantly proclaim: 'We have conquered the people of the earth, now we will annihilate those in the sky.' So saying they will fire their arrows towards the sky. When the arrows return to the ground they will be blood stained.

In the meantime, Eesa (A.S.) will be on the Mount of Toor with his followers. At that time the head of and ox will be as valuable as is a hundred dinars to you in this day. [This indicates the scarcity of provisions]. Faced with these hardships, Eesa (A.S.) and his followers will make dua unto Allah (to remove this calamity). As a result, Allah will cause sores to appear on the necks of each and every individual of these people which will cause their death suddenly. When Eesa (A.S.) and his followers descend from the Mount of Toor there will not be a single space on the land where the dead rotting bodies of these people is not littered, giving off a horrendous odour. Eesa (A.S.) and his followers will once more supplicate unto Allah as a result of which Allah will send down huge birds whose necks will be as thick as that of the necks of camels, and they will dump these bodies in a place where Allah wills. (According to a narration by Tirmidhi, they will be dumped at a place called Nahbal).

Allah Ta'ala will then send down a heavy rain, the waters of which will flow in every part of the earth cleansing it thoroughly. It will rain for a period of forty days.

The Muslims will then burn the bows and arrows of the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj for a period of seven years.

Allah will order the earth to yield forth its crops in abundance and there will be such blessing and prosperity that one pomegranate will be sufficient for a whole group while the peel thereof will suffice to cast a shadow over them. The milk of one camel will be sufficient for many groups while one milk giving cow will be sufficient for a whole tribe. One milk giving goat will be sufficent for a whole family..."

(Muslim)

Hadhrat Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:

"On the day of Qiyamah Allah will say to Adam (A.S.) to pick out the Jahannamis from his entire progeny. Adam (A.S.) will ask: 'O Rabb, who are they?'

Allah will say: 'Nine hundred and ninety nine of a thousand are Jahannami while the one is a Jannati.'

On hearing this the Sahaba were overtaken by fear and they asked "O Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam), who will that one Janniti be?'

Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: 'Do not grieve, the nine hundred and ninety nine will be Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while you will be the Jannati."' (i.e. your numbers in relation to them will be one in a thousand).

(Bukhari and Muslim)

Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:

"Allah Ta'ala divided mankind into ten parts. Nine tenths constitute Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while the remaining tenths constitutues the rest of mankind."

Hadhrat Zainab bint Jahsh (R.A.) says: "...once Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wassallam) awoke from such a sleep that his face was red and these words were on his tongue: 'There is none worthy of worship except Allah. Destruction is upon the Arabs on account of the evil which has come close to them. Today a hole as big as this has opened up in the wall of Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj.' ..and Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) indicated the size of the hole forming a ring with his index finger and thumb."

(Bukhari and Muslim)

Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A.) narrates that every day Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj break (dig) through the wall erected by Zul Qarnain (A.S.) until they reach the end of it to that extent that they can actually see the light on the other side. They then return (home) saying that 'We will break through tomorrow.' But Allah Ta'ala causes the wall to revert to its original thickness and the next day they start digging through the wall all over again, and this process continues each day until as long as Allah wills them to remain imprisoned. When Allah wishes them to be released, then at the end of the day they will say, "If Allah wills, tomorrow we will break through." The following day they will find the wall as they had left it the previous day (i.e. it will not have returned to its orginal state) and after breaking the remaining part of it they will emerge."

(Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)

Commenting on the above hadith, Allamah Ibn Arabi says, Three miracles are evident in this Hadith:

1.) It never occurs to these tribes that they must continue work during the night. After all, they are in such large numbers that they can easily delegate the work among themselves and work in shifts. But Allah does not allow this thought to occur to them.

2.) It never occurs to them that they can merely cross the mountains or scale the wall, which they can do through the aid of equipment and implements wich they possess in large numbers. According to a narration by Wahab ibn Munabbah it is known that these tribes are agriculturists and artisians possessing various types of equipment.

3.) The thought of saying "If Allah wills" never enters their minds and it will only occur to them to say it when Allah wills that they be released.

from: "Signs of Qiyamah"
by Mohammed Ali Ibn Zubair Ali
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Ubeyde
04-12-2011, 09:05 PM
Originally Posted by Hamas
The Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj

During the reign of Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) people will live an extremely peaceful life filled with prosperity and abundance. Then the wall which imprisons Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj will break and they will surge forth in large numbers.

"But when Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj are let loose and they rush headlong down every hill" (Quran 21:96)

Who are the Ya'jooj and Majooj?

Zul Qarnain (A.S.) who was a pious and just Ruler travelled to many lands and conquered them, establishing justice and the Law of Allah therein. Allah Ta'ala provided him with all forms and material strength through which he was able to carry out his conquests and missions.

He once carried out a mission in three directions, the far west, the far east, and then in a northerly direction. It was here that he came across a tribe of people who complained to him about the tribes of Ya'jooj and Majooj which inhabited the land behind two huge mountains and often emerged from behind these mountains to perpetrate acts of anarchy and plunder among them. They requested Zul Qarnain (A.S.) to erect a barrier between themselves and the tribes of Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj so that they could be saved from their atrocities. With the material strength at his disposal, Zul Qarnain (A.S.) enlisted their physical labor and set about erecting a high wall between the two mountains. The height of the wall or its exact length is unknown. What is known is that the height of this wall reaches that of the summit of both mountains. It is made with blocks or sheets of iron, which is further strengthened by molten lead. In this manner Ya'jooj and Majooj are unable to scale the wall, or cross it, except when it is the will of Allah.

"And when the promise of my Rabb approaces, He will level it to dust" (Quran 18:98)

They are situated in a land of ice which is hidden from our gazes and the exact location of which is unknown. Though many interpretations do exist in this respect, none of these can be said to absolute.

Ya'jooj and Majooj are human beings and according to a narration they are from the progeny of Yafith ibn Nooh (A.S.).

Some Ahadith...

In a lengthy hadith by Hadhrat Nawwas ibn Sam'aan (R.A.) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have said:

"...Allah will send revelation upon Eesa (A.S.) that 'Such a creation of mine is now going to emerge that no power will be able to stop them. Therefore take my servants and ascend the Mount of Toor.' Then Ya'jooj and Majooj will emerge and surge forth in all their fury. When those from among them who constitute the former part of their army pass the lake of Tiberias (which is in northern Palestine), they will drink up all the water of that lake and by the time those that constitute the latter part of that same army pass the lake, they will say, "There used to be water here (long ago). When they reach the Mount of Khamr in Jerusalem, they will arrogantly proclaim: 'We have conquered the people of the earth, now we will annihilate those in the sky.' So saying they will fire their arrows towards the sky. When the arrows return to the ground they will be blood stained.

In the meantime, Eesa (A.S.) will be on the Mount of Toor with his followers. At that time the head of and ox will be as valuable as is a hundred dinars to you in this day. [This indicates the scarcity of provisions]. Faced with these hardships, Eesa (A.S.) and his followers will make dua unto Allah (to remove this calamity). As a result, Allah will cause sores to appear on the necks of each and every individual of these people which will cause their death suddenly. When Eesa (A.S.) and his followers descend from the Mount of Toor there will not be a single space on the land where the dead rotting bodies of these people is not littered, giving off a horrendous odour. Eesa (A.S.) and his followers will once more supplicate unto Allah as a result of which Allah will send down huge birds whose necks will be as thick as that of the necks of camels, and they will dump these bodies in a place where Allah wills. (According to a narration by Tirmidhi, they will be dumped at a place called Nahbal).

Allah Ta'ala will then send down a heavy rain, the waters of which will flow in every part of the earth cleansing it thoroughly. It will rain for a period of forty days.

The Muslims will then burn the bows and arrows of the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj for a period of seven years.

Allah will order the earth to yield forth its crops in abundance and there will be such blessing and prosperity that one pomegranate will be sufficient for a whole group while the peel thereof will suffice to cast a shadow over them. The milk of one camel will be sufficient for many groups while one milk giving cow will be sufficient for a whole tribe. One milk giving goat will be sufficent for a whole family..."

(Muslim)

Hadhrat Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:

"On the day of Qiyamah Allah will say to Adam (A.S.) to pick out the Jahannamis from his entire progeny. Adam (A.S.) will ask: 'O Rabb, who are they?'

Allah will say: 'Nine hundred and ninety nine of a thousand are Jahannami while the one is a Jannati.'

On hearing this the Sahaba were overtaken by fear and they asked "O Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam), who will that one Janniti be?'

Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: 'Do not grieve, the nine hundred and ninety nine will be Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while you will be the Jannati."' (i.e. your numbers in relation to them will be one in a thousand).

(Bukhari and Muslim)

Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:

"Allah Ta'ala divided mankind into ten parts. Nine tenths constitute Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while the remaining tenths constitutues the rest of mankind."

Hadhrat Zainab bint Jahsh (R.A.) says: "...once Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wassallam) awoke from such a sleep that his face was red and these words were on his tongue: 'There is none worthy of worship except Allah. Destruction is upon the Arabs on account of the evil which has come close to them. Today a hole as big as this has opened up in the wall of Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj.' ..and Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) indicated the size of the hole forming a ring with his index finger and thumb."

(Bukhari and Muslim)

Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A.) narrates that every day Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj break (dig) through the wall erected by Zul Qarnain (A.S.) until they reach the end of it to that extent that they can actually see the light on the other side. They then return (home) saying that 'We will break through tomorrow.' But Allah Ta'ala causes the wall to revert to its original thickness and the next day they start digging through the wall all over again, and this process continues each day until as long as Allah wills them to remain imprisoned. When Allah wishes them to be released, then at the end of the day they will say, "If Allah wills, tomorrow we will break through." The following day they will find the wall as they had left it the previous day (i.e. it will not have returned to its orginal state) and after breaking the remaining part of it they will emerge."

(Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)

Commenting on the above hadith, Allamah Ibn Arabi says, Three miracles are evident in this Hadith:

1.) It never occurs to these tribes that they must continue work during the night. After all, they are in such large numbers that they can easily delegate the work among themselves and work in shifts. But Allah does not allow this thought to occur to them.

2.) It never occurs to them that they can merely cross the mountains or scale the wall, which they can do through the aid of equipment and implements wich they possess in large numbers. According to a narration by Wahab ibn Munabbah it is known that these tribes are agriculturists and artisians possessing various types of equipment.

3.) The thought of saying "If Allah wills" never enters their minds and it will only occur to them to say it when Allah wills that they be released.

from: "Signs of Qiyamah"
by Mohammed Ali Ibn Zubair Ali
Jazakarallah Khair, a truely wonderful explanation.
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Ramadhan
04-13-2011, 01:32 AM
Can you please verify this from the article you posted:

Hadhrat Abdullah ibn Umar (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:

"Allah Ta'ala divided mankind into ten parts. Nine tenths constitute Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while the remaining tenths constitutues the rest of mankind."
Can you post the complete hadith along with its verification, because I heard it was only estimation from the writer.
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Zuzubu
04-13-2011, 07:11 AM
No Naid, the 2nd post was too small and I already knew, it not is not as imformative as I expected.

Shukran Hamas. =) That clarifies it I guess.

Ehh, who is Gearge Bush Jr.?? There is no such person? O.o
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Zuzubu
04-13-2011, 07:23 AM
If we are 1 in 1000 people, and we got sattelites, and we explored the earth, then howcome we never saw them? They must be underground, or in outer space.

And gog and magog is human? O.o I thought Noah's seed touches the ground, and from it came Gog and Magog. They ain't normal humans, they are very tall too.
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Ramadhan
04-13-2011, 10:23 AM
Originally Posted by Zuzubu
And gog and magog is human? O.o I thought Noah's seed touches the ground, and from it came Gog and Magog. They ain't normal humans, they are very tall too.
source please?
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
04-13-2011, 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Zuzubu
If we are 1 in 1000 people, and we got sattelites, and we explored the earth, then howcome we never saw them? They must be underground, or in outer space.

And gog and magog is human? O.o I thought Noah's seed touches the ground, and from it came Gog and Magog. They ain't normal humans, they are very tall too.
Assalaamu Alaaykum brother

Did you read my post? im thinking i didnt make sense :-\ at all!

Khaair insha'Allaah
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ahmdali
11-27-2013, 01:27 PM
May be they are aliens. Who come and attack the earth.
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greenhill
11-27-2013, 05:35 PM
Salaam'

I have read up on many things to do with this and alien theories (ha ha! joking), there's really not a lot about. There must be an explanation for this. This is mine, or an attempt at one. Here's to sticking my neck out !

Imagine 200 years ago. Night was dark! We lived on necessities. Could they even conceptualise the way the world lives today? What progress we have made in the last decade? I guess the description of Gog Magog or Yajooj Majooj, would be that they are humans, totally obsessed with the trappings of life in a world of modern resources. How they would people during the times of the prophet s.a.w. describe the world today? Hence a metaphoric story, perhaps not so literal. Plus, there was describing a lifestyle unknown, and after succession, may not be word perfect.

Yajooj and Majooj are most likely 'mindset' implanted into people that corrupts. Spread from a certain tribe that infiltrates into everyone's lifestyle and becomes almost a 'must' have although it may be counter to Allah's laws. It seems that the wall has already been broken.

A lifestyle dependent on money and the financial institution already means our lives are tinged with riba in someway or another, some in more ways than others.

But then again, this in itself should not be a real issue if it does not lead you to wanting more and greed and cheat and then yes, you will pay the price. There are those who exploit nature and repress the weak, killing the world already. Don't need a special breed of locked up loonies to destroy us. We destroy ourselves! It's easy, just corrupt the mind. Make everything against the command of Allah the best way to be.

..:argue:
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Nur Student
11-27-2013, 09:00 PM
The events involving Gog and Magog are mentioned concisely in the Qur’an, and there are some details of them in narrations. Those details are not firmly established like the concise but incontrovertible matters of the Qur’an, and may be considered allegorical. They require interpretation. Indeed, they need to be interpreted, for the narrators’ interpretations have been mixed in with them.

Yes, None knows the Unseen save God, one interpretation is this: it is an allusion and indication that just as the Manchurian and Mongol tribes, which in the heavenly tongue of the Qur’an are called “Gog and Magog,”(1) together with some other tribes, several times overturned Asia and Europe; so will they again cause chaos in the world in the future. In fact even now some of them are famous anarchists, and anarchy is born of communism.

Yes, socialism sprang up in the French Revolution from the seed of libertarianism. Then since socialism destroyed certain sacred matters, the ideas it inculcated turned into bolshevism. And because bolshevism corrupted even more sacred moral and human values, and those of the human heart, of course the seeds it sowed will produce anarchy, which recognizes no restrictions whatsoever and has respect for nothing. For if respect and compassion quit the human heart, those with such hearts become exceedingly cruel beasts and can no longer be governed through politics. Just the place for the idea of anarchy will be those oppressed, numerous raiding tribes, which are backward in respect of both civilization and government. The people who fit those conditions are the Manchurian, Mongol, and some of the Kirghiz tribes, who caused the building of the Great Wall of China, which is forty-days’ distance in length and is one of the seven wonders of the world. Expounding the Qur’an’s concise statements about them, Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) predicted their appearance miraculously and precisely.

~Fifteenth Matter



Dipnot-1 See, Qur’an, 18:94, 21:96.
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Scimitar
01-13-2014, 05:39 PM
actually no, to this:

Originally Posted by Nur Student
Yes, None knows the Unseen save God, one interpretation is this: it is an allusion and indication that just as the Manchurian and Mongol tribes, which in the heavenly tongue of the Qur’an are called “Gog and Magog,”(1)
You do realise that it was the persecuted people who told Dhul Qarnayn that "ya'juj ma'juj" are causing corruption in the land - this means that Ya'juj Ma'juj are not Arabic words at all :) they are Japhetic in origin and come from a language a semitic person such as Dhul Qarnayn would not have understood.

So, in order to identify who ya'juj wa ma'juj were, we must first identify who calls the two nations "Ya'juj wa Ma'juj" in their native tongue.

>..... And the noble prophet pbuh told us to "seek knowledge where you find it, even if it takes you to Qin" - and I believe there is a VERY good reason for that.

more than this I cannot say atm. But alhamdulillah, I feel I have been shown certain things and I am about to go public with it soon in sha Allah.

Scimi
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Ahmad H
01-17-2014, 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by Scimitar
You do realise that it was the persecuted people who told Dhul Qarnayn that "ya'juj ma'juj" are causing corruption in the land - this means that Ya'juj Ma'juj are not Arabic words at all
I have to say something about this. Do note that the British have their own folklore concerning "Gog and Magog". It would be good to read into scholarly articles about these words before fully concluding this.

Also, the words Ya'juj wa Ma'juj are words to describe a large group of people by Allah. Thus, just like the other words in the Qur'an, there is at least some meaning to the roots of these words at least. I know there must be something known from the Arabic dictionaries on this, but I can't read Arabic. There is something explained about them I can't translate:

http://www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=...AC%D9%88%D8%AC

My point is. We can't write this off as being from another language completely. There is some meaning to these words which both you and I may not know. Best to keep an open mind about these things. If I could read Arabic I would share what I found, but I can only give you this webpage and hope you know someone who would tell you the meanings of what is mentioned there. This is why I am still trying to learn Arabic. There are many things which remain mysterious in their meanings unless we read what they mean.
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truthseeker63
01-21-2014, 07:30 AM
Thanks for posting.
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Scimitar
07-21-2014, 04:53 AM
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