Is fuctioning of the heart contradict between science and Islam ?

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu aliqum ! my brother and sister

As per my knowledge : functioning of the heart is contradict between science and Islam .

According to science : heart is the organ which can helps to distribute blood in our body . Its act as a pumping machine . Brain is the cause for all type of emotions such as love , hate, trust , believe , angry etc .
But
According to Islam : Heart is the cause or place for all type of emotions such as love, hate , trust , believe , angry etc .

So any body can help me to remove this contradiction ? ...... Please please please ... ....


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[Beardo]

Physical Heart Vs Spiritual Heart

[Human_Being]

We need a scientist to post here I think but I remember watchin an entire documentary bout the heart and it was about revolushionary new research about how the heart has a complex neural network like the brain used to be thot that it was just 2 keep the heart rhythm or sumthin like but they found its lots more complicated than that and it contains some memories and parts of ur personality and heart transfushions can sumtimes change ppl but i may hav picked it up wrong sum1 who knows needs 2 post and say or u could research what i mentioned and see if its right or not but stuf like this confuses me lol dont take my word for it

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu alaiqum ! brother and sister

Any body can pleasant surprise me by donating his/her knowledge about this tread regarding heart mater . please .....

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[Dagless]

According to Islam : Heart is the cause or place for all type of emotions such as love, hate , trust , believe , angry etc .

Can you quote the evidence so it's easier to respond? From what you've said so far I'm inclined to agree with Beardo (as much as I don't want to... maybe we could say Beardo agrees with me instead).

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu alaiqum my sear brother " Dagless " !

Here I am sending few evidence from Quran about Heart as you want me to do , kindly look at here and awarded me by your precious knowledge regarding the thread of mine about Heart :

If you were severe or harsh-hearted (in treating them), they would have left you. So, pardon them, and ask (Allah) to forgive them, and consult them in the affairs (of the community). (Al-E-Imran, 3: 159).

Except he, who came to Allah with a sound heart ( Al-Shu’ara, 26: 89)



Who feared the unseen Al-Rahman (The Merciful), and came with a repentant heart (Qaf, 50: 33)



... and he calls Allah to witness about what is in his heart; yet he is the most contentious of enemies (Al-Baqara, 2: 204)



Do not conceal the testimony. And whoever conceals it his heart is sinning. (Al-Baqara, 2: 283)


... and his heart assured by faith (Al-Nahl, 16: 106).



... lest the one in whose heart there is sickness should aspire (to you). (Al-Ahzab, 33: 32)



... and whoever believes in Allah, (Allah) guides his heart (Al-Taghabun, 64: 11)



He (Allah) said: Haven’t you believed yet? He (Ibrahim) said: “Yes,” but for my heart to be assured (Al-Baqara, 2: 260)



We shall cast great fear into the hearts of the nonbelievers (Al-E-Imran, 3: 151)



Those who believe, and whose hearts find assurance (and peace) in the remembrance of Allah. For, in the remembrance of Allah, hearts find assurance (and peace) (Al-Ra’ad, 13: 28)



and whoever glorifies the rituals of Allah, it is (a sign) of piety of hearts (Al-Hajj, 22: 32)



Have they not traveled throughout the Earth, with their hearts to reason with, and ears to hear with? Truly it is not the eyes that become blind, but do the hearts which are in the chests (Al-Hajj, 22: 46)



I hope, I will get an instant answer that , Is functioning of the heart contradict between science and Islam . Thank you ...

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu alaiqum my sear brother " Dagless " !

Here again I am sending few evidence from Quran about Heart as you want me to do , kindly look at here and awarded me by your precious knowledge regarding the thread of mine about Heart :

Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to hear? Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts. ( Al- hajj,22:46 )

Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). ( Al- Baqara,2:7 ).

I hope, I will get an instant answer that , Is functioning of the heart contradict between science and Islam . Thank you ..

[Dagless]

Assala mu alaiqum my sear brother " Dagless " !

Here again I am sending few evidence from Quran about Heart as you want me to do , kindly look at here and awarded me by your precious knowledge regarding the thread of mine about Heart :

Thank you for posting, but I just wanted to see the verses. I am not a scholar and probably do not have the answer.
I can say, however, that even in the English language now we have a lot of sayings linked to the heart; like saying someone has a "good heart" or a "broken heart". These things are not literal and are attributed to emotion. This maybe the same in Arabic. It is not contradicting science since it is just a way of saying something. Language can often have more than one meaning if you are not aware of it's context.

[Alpha Dude]

I'd concur with Rashad when he says it's a case of physical heart vs spiritual heart.

We are told of the existence of the soul (which science doesn't recognise either, btw) so perhaps the spiritual heart is related to the soul in someway, i.e. the soul has a spiritual counterpart where the physical heart would be found.

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu alaiqum ! " Degless "

Thank you so much for your reply . Many languages have many different meanings in a same word . That I know . I would like to open my view here that, we are discussing about Quranic verse . One misunderstanding can destroy my life . So we have to careful . As you said it may be the way of saying something ; for understanding the verse we need to see the context . It seems you have understood about those verses . So I request you , please awarded me by informing what exactly it means , tell me the other meanings of those words, show me the context . help me to understand the literal meaning of those verse .

Thank you ....

[hopeonallah]

Assalamu alaiqum ! " Bedouin "

Thank you for sharing your knowledge . As per my knowledge science neither recognize nor unrecognized the soul . But science recognized the heart . and there are no concept about physical and spiritual heart in the Quran or sahih hadid . If is there then show me the QUOTE.

[Alpha Dude]

Assalamu alaiqum ! " Bedouin "

Thank you for sharing your knowledge . As per my knowledge science neither recognize nor unrecognized the soul . But science recognized the heart . and there are no concept about physical and spiritual heart in the Quran or sahih hadid . If is there then show me the QUOTE.

I think you're just over thinking this issue.

It's quite obvious that the references you brought aren't referring to anything physical. It's really plain and clear that it's speaking in spiritual terms.

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu alaiqum ! " Bedouin "

I think we should not limit any one by measuring our own capacity . I didn't found that, those verse are talking any thing about spiritual .
neither it mentioned in the commentary nor any Notes . Its clearly mentioned about physical heart . Again I would like to inform you that there are no concept In the Sahih Hadid or the Quran about Spiritual Heart . Here I don't want to think that, you got holy spirit who is coming to inside you and telling about those verse that that is not physical heart just like christian people says .

If you are truth then show me the prove .

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu alaiqum ! " Bedouin "

I think we should not limit any one by measuring our own capacity . I didn't find that, those verse are talking any thing about spiritual .
neither it mentioned in the commentary nor any Notes . Its clearly mentioned about physical heart . Again I would like to inform you that there are no concept In the Sahih Hadid or the Quran about Spiritual Heart . Here I don't want to think that, you got holy spirit who is coming to inside you and telling about those verses are not talking about physical heart just like christian people says .

If you are truth then show me the prove .

[Dagless]

Assala mu alaiqum ! " Degless "

Thank you so much for your reply . Many languages have many different meanings in a same word . That I know . I would like to open my view here that, we are discussing about Quranic verse . One misunderstanding can destroy my life . So we have to careful . As you said it may be the way of saying something ; for understanding the verse we need to see the context . It seems you have understood about those verses . So I request you , please awarded me by informing what exactly it means , tell me the other meanings of those words, show me the context . help me to understand the literal meaning of those verse .

Thank you ....

To me it is referring to the heart as the centre of the person (in an emotional/feeling way). The same way it is used in English idioms.

[Alpha Dude]

Assala mu alaiqum ! " Bedouin "

I think we should not limit any one by measuring our own capacity . I didn't found that, those verse are talking any thing about spiritual .
neither it mentioned in the commentary nor any Notes . Its clearly mentioned about physical heart . Again I would like to inform you that there are no concept In the Sahih Hadid or the Quran about Spiritual Heart . Here I don't want to think that, you got holy spirit who is coming to inside you and telling about those verse that that is not physical heart just like christian people says .

If you are truth then show me the prove .

Wa alaykum salam

Look man, don't know what proof you want. The matter is as clear as day.

We are composed of both material matter (our bodies) and the immaterial (our souls). Obviously, the verses you picked out do not refer to the physical aspect - so what else could they possibly be referring to apart from the immaterial spiritual aspect of our souls/hearts?

Seriously bro, stop over thinking this. It's a simple matter.

We are told in hadith: “Verily, in the body there is a piece of flesh, if it is sound then the entire body will be sound, and if it is corrupt then the entire body will be corrupt, indeed it is the heart.” [Bukhari & Muslim]

Corrupt and soundness does not refer to anything physical, rather it is talking about sins/virtuousness. You don't need any next level 'proof' in order to figure this out.

[Insaanah]

functioning of the heart is contradict between science and Islam

Alhamdulillah no contradiction between science and Islam.

Allah :arabic2: Who created our hearts, knows best how they work. He alluded to in the Qur'an over 1400 years ago what scientists are only just beginning to discover now, years later.

Read this:

http://www.answering-christianity.co...ng_miracle.htm

And for further reading about the heart (though not from an Islamic perspective):

http://www.lostartsofthemind.com/200...-and-feel.html

http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/Dep...lume2/kate.pdf

And no doubt more discoveries are yet to be made.

Hope that helps a little inshaa'Allah.

[Ubeyde]

Wa Alaykum assalaam

The "Heart" in the context of Islam is the concious awareness of whether an action is good or not. E.g. If a person makes a bad action, he feels stress in his heart or when you do something worthwhile todo with Islam- e.g. Tahajudd, the sensation in the heart- the feeling of elation an almost ectasy is the process whereby one's heart is filled with the Noor.

Also, deeper intentions for actions should be made by the heart and not just by the tongue.

According to Science- which in this case is not in actual fact contradictory of the Teachings of the Holy Qur'an, is that it is an organ made almost entirely of muscle fibres.
It refers to the physical being of the heart- e.g. its functions and its design.

"According to science : heart is the organ which can helps to distribute blood in our body . Its act as a pumping machine . Brain is the cause for all type of emotions such as love , hate, trust , believe , angry etc .
But
According to Islam : Heart is the cause or place for all type of emotions such as love, hate , trust , believe , angry etc . "

The brain is signalling system. It sends signals to other parts of the body through nerves. It also houses physical emotions, however, deeper emotions come from within the heart itself.

I'm not really sure if this answers your apparant contradiction. Jazakrallah Khair Akhi.

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu Alaiqum ! brother and sister .

it seems my Question answer is very far . it may take long time to reach here . Thank you all .

[hopeonallah]

Assalamu alaiqum " brother & sister "

Allah knows batter that, how long i need to wait for my Question's Answer about Heart ?

[Insaanah]

it seems my Question answer is very far . it may take long time to reach here . Thank you all .

Allah knows batter that, how long i need to wait for my Question's Answer about Heart ?

:wa:

I think you missed seeing especially the first link in my post above, that answers your question:

http://www.islamicboard.com/importan...ml#post1426771

:sl:

[hopeonallah]

Assala mu alaiqum " Insaanah "

My dear friend I have seen all links which you have given to me .

links are :

http://www.answering-christianity.co...ng_miracle.htm

http://www.lostartsofthemind.com/200...-and-feel.html

http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/Dep...lume2/kate.pdf

This three links are nothing but only statements . Those statements are not approved by any modern scientific society . In this world there are many authentic scientific organizations . For example : In India AIIMS ( All Indian Institute of Medical Sciences ) , American Medical association , there are many .
I am not bother about others statements . Every body have right to speak . It does not mean speaker is always right . I hope you understand ....

[ummibby]

Brother i think you are seeing a problem where there is none.

reference to the heart (broken heart, hard hearted, whole hearted) can be used in a metaphorical sense as well as the physical sense.

why?

the physical heart is probably the most important organ after the brain, it keeps us alive, it sends blood around our bodies nourishing other organs, it reacts to emotion...

ever had your heart skip a beat? ever had your heart melt?

these metaphorical expressions by no means contradict science.

and just asides...i, too, have read something to the effect that there exist 'memory cells' in the heart and that reports exist of transplant patients displaying characteristics or talents which were unique to the heart donor.

[al yunan]

Assalamu Alaikum hopeonallah,
The first problem is the English language it does not have similar idioms and the richness of the ancient languages as is so with Arabic and even less with Fushat (the Arabic of the Quran). Mind you I don't speak it, but my mother tongue is as old as and has many similar saying and expressions (different language same expressions)
While you are thinking in one language it's hard to understand another so try and get into the spirit of the language and not the English equivalent words. Some explanations are as the brothers in previous post told you similar to English.
When you hear that memorising is from the chest you assume the heart "Qalb" where as the reference is to the "Fuad" the heart of the soul.
For when you die you body disintegrates along with your organs, but the spiritual self was there before you where born and still there after you're gone. The essence of you is in that "Fuad" pains, sorrows, sins, knowledge all.
The same applies for the brain its neurons, nerves and what have you, what it is not, it's not a recorder of your life that would be the "Fuad" again.
I and millions of others wish it was only the brain so when the worms ate it our bad self would vanish also but alas it ain't so.
So back to the verses such as "sealed their harts" would again reffer to unfeeling as the heart the emotional center which again could only be the "Fuad". The Quran was delivered to the prophet s.a.w's heart ?
You may ask why then does not Allah S.W.T just make it clear ?
There are of course many many theories but the best answer would be that He chose not to and He surely knows best.
You could to look at the Tafsir of those verses to get a analogy of different ways to accept the same.
Another point I would like to make that a lot of people say that this "Fuad" thing is from Sufis if that be true then what better explanation can they offer and mind you it would have to be in the realms of what would have been acceptable to those past generations as well. The truth does not change only perceptions do.

One last thing too, that the heart muscle as it may be and a pump it gets damaged from emotional stress does it not and it cant just be pumping issues otherwise athletes would die from stress; and a final neurological truth about the brain's true main function take a look at diagram of the body and see where the majority of these neurons end up. I'm sure then you will see the irony !

In today's world some of us place our hopes in science for they may find a solution that suits the hopes of our sinful self.
I hope I've not confused you more in my attempt to keep this brief,
Masalam

PS: The true mistery lies in how the one heart (physical) relates to the other (spiritual)