Praying Nafl after Witr

[Abu Zainab]

I know there is a hadeeth that says we should keep witr as our last prayer of the night. In Ramadan we pray taraweeh and witr in jamaa'ah. So if we want to pray more nafl after that, is it permissible?

One more question about tahajjud....is it necessary to get some sleep before praying it / Is the reward lesser if we pray it late night without sleeping at all?

[IsamBitar]

So if we want to pray more nafl after that, is it permissible?

Yes. You can pray as much as you want even after you do witr (Arabic word for "odd" -as in numbers) but you never do another witr after that. Only one witr per night. This is how Mohammad dictated it.

is it necessary to get some sleep before praying it / Is the reward lesser if we pray it late night without sleeping at all?

No. As far as I know, the fact that you bothered to pray at such late night is good enough to grant you full credit.

[Insaanah]

This is how Mohammad dictated it.

Are you a Muslim? Your religion says "Other". Our Muslim members refer to the prophet :saws: or (peace be upon him) with respect.

[Hamza Asadullah]

I know there is a hadeeth that says we should keep witr as our last prayer of the night. In Ramadan we pray taraweeh and witr in jamaa'ah. So if we want to pray more nafl after that, is it permissible?

One more question about tahajjud....is it necessary to get some sleep before praying it / Is the reward lesser if we pray it late night without sleeping at all?

Asalaamu Alaikum, regarding your question about witr then it is better to pray it as the last prayer of the night as this is the most rewarding way of praying Witr. So Witr could be prayed either before sleeping or if one will awaken for Tahajjud then after Tahajjud one should pray the Witr.

If one is uncertain whether or not one will be able to awaken for Tahajjud or not then it is better to pray Witr before sleeping just to be on the safe side as Witr is compulsory whereas Tahajjud is not. That means that if it is missed then one is sinful and one has to repeat the prayer.

If one prayed their Witr but wants to pray Nafil after it then that is also fine. Tahajjud can be prayed straight after completion of Isha Fard and Sunnah as it is not necessery to sleep first but it is far more rewarding to sleep for 2-4 hours before awakening to pray Tahajjud for the reason Tahajjud is so rewarding is because of the fact that one is awakening at the deep stage of ones sleep which is the hardest to awaken from and whilst everyone else is sleeping one is standing in front of Allah in the latter part of the night sincerely worshipping him and asking of him. That is why to pray and to ask of Allah in the last third part of the night is the best time of all and is when ones prayer is most likely to be accepted.

There is no doubt that one can attain a special bond, relationship and closeness to Allah with waking up for Tahajjud everynight as well as higher ranks of Jannah. So waking up for tahajjud is by far the best habit a Muslim can gain.

May Allah give us all the ability to wake up everynight to pray this auspicious prayer. Ameen

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[ayesha.ansari]

Yes you can there is no restriction on it perform Nafl in prayers after Witr as far as the concern of your second question so the answer is also yes you need to get little sleep a while before starting Tahajjat.

[Hamza Asadullah]

Yes you can there is no restriction on it perform Nafl in prayers after Witr as far as the concern of your se:phewcond question so the answer is also yes you need to get little sleep a while before starting Tahajjat.

:sl:

You dont need to sleep to pray Tahajjud as you can pray it straight after Isha Salaah but its best to so that one can gain more reward for it as there is far more reward for getting up to pray and worship Allah in the latter part of the night.

And Allah knows best in all matters

[~ Sabr ~]

:wasalamex

^ Can you provide a daleel for that please InshaAllaah? That you can pray tahajjud right after Isha.

['Abd-al Latif]

I know there is a hadeeth that says we should keep witr as our last prayer of the night. In Ramadan we pray taraweeh and witr in jamaa'ah. So if we want to pray more nafl after that, is it permissible?

One more question about tahajjud....is it necessary to get some sleep before praying it / Is the reward lesser if we pray it late night without sleeping at all?

:salamext:

The Prophet :saws1: said that witr should be the last prayer of the night. But if one wants to continue praying tahajjud after taraweeh is over during Ramadan, he can break witr standing up after the imam has said salam for witr prayer, and pray one rakah in order to make witr into an even number, thus not count as witr anymore (sicne with is meant to be prayed in odd numbers). This is what Ibn Umar (r) did and this is also the opinion of Shaykh Uthaymeen (r). Witr can be prayed at any time of the night and sleep is not a requirement before praying it. But one should sleep as long as one is sure that he will pray it and not miss it. The Prophet :saws1: said in Bukhari and Muslim to pray it before dawn and as far as I understand the best time for witr is before the break of dawn.

Allah knows best.

[~ Sabr ~]

:wasalamex

^ Can you provide a daleel for that please InshaAllaah? That you can pray tahajjud right after Isha.

:salamext: brother Abd Al Latif

Can you help with this?

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext: brother Abd Al Latif

Can you help with this?

:wasalamex

Tahajjud can be prayed at any time after isha until fajr. It is better however to pray at the last third of the night because it is the time when Allah descends to the lowest heaven, but it is still an act of great servitude to Allah to pray tahajjud at any time.

[~ Sabr ~]

^ Jazaak Allaah Khayr, can I have a daleel for that InshaAllaah? (Not that I doubt what you are saying, but just to make sure?)

['Abd-al Latif]

I can't remember any from the top of my head, I'll have to post them later today inshaa'Allah.

[~ Sabr ~]

^ Jazaak Allaah Khayr. I mean personally I always find it hard to wake up that early in the morning.

So if I can pray Isha at 18:30 and then pray Tahajjud 2 hours later, Alhamdulillah for that.

[Hamza Asadullah]

:wasalamex

^ Can you provide a daleel for that please InshaAllaah? That you can pray tahajjud right after Isha.

:sl:

Sheikh Yusuf Badat explains it in the following link very well regarding Tahajjud being prayed after Isha up until just before dawn:

http://www.mathabah.org/20100521154/...d-prayers.html

[~ Sabr ~]

:wasalamex

^ I meant is there a hadith or something that states we can do so?

Edit: Who is this scholar? where is he from? Just read fatwa.

[~ Sabr ~]

From Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

For Verse: "And in some parts of the night offer the salah (prayer) with it (reciting the verses of the Quran), as an additional prayer (Tahajjud)" (Holy Quran 17:79)

(The Night prayer) Allah commanded His Messenger to pray the Night prayer after offering the prescribed prayers, and the term Tahajjud refers to prayer that is offered after sleeping. This was the view of `Alqamah, Al-Aswad, Ibrahim An-Nakha`i and others. It is also well-known from the Arabic language itself. A number of Hadiths report that the Messenger of Allah used to pray Tahajjud after he had slept. These include reports from Ibn `Abbas, `A'ishah and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them. This has been discussed in detail in the appropriate place, praise be to Allah. Al-Hasan Al-Basri said, "This is what comes after `Isha', or it could mean what comes after sleeping.''

Source: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...2796&Itemid=72

Comments?

[~ Sabr ~]

Can I have a reply to my question InshaAllaah.

[Periwinkle18]

Asalaamu Alaikum, regarding your question about witr then it is better to pray it as the last prayer of the night as this is the most rewarding way of praying Witr. So Witr could be prayed either before sleeping or if one will awaken for Tahajjud then after Tahajjud one should pray the Witr.

If one is uncertain whether or not one will be able to awaken for Tahajjud or not then it is better to pray Witr before sleeping just to be on the safe side as Witr is compulsory whereas Tahajjud is not. That means that if it is missed then one is sinful and one has to repeat the prayer.

If one prayed their Witr but wants to pray Nafil after it then that is also fine. Tahajjud can be prayed straight after completion of Isha Fard and Sunnah as it is not necessery to sleep first but it is far more rewarding to sleep for 2-4 hours before awakening to pray Tahajjud for the reason Tahajjud is so rewarding is because of the fact that one is awakening at the deep stage of ones sleep which is the hardest to awaken from and whilst everyone else is sleeping one is standing in front of Allah in the latter part of the night sincerely worshipping him and asking of him. That is why to pray and to ask of Allah in the last third part of the night is the best time of all and is when ones prayer is most likely to be accepted.

There is no doubt that one can attain a special bond, relationship and closeness to Allah with waking up for Tahajjud everynight as well as higher ranks of Jannah. So waking up for tahajjud is by far the best habit a Muslim can gain.

May Allah give us all the ability to wake up everynight to pray this auspicious prayer. Ameen

JazakAllah khayr

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

Sorry for the late reply. This hadeeth below is worded for witr, but witr is a part of qiyaam. And therefore Qiyaam can be prayed at any time after the sunnah of Isha.

The Prophet :saws1: said: "Whoever fears that he will not wake up in the later part of the night, let him perform witr in the first part of it. And whosoever expects to wake up in the later part of the night, let him pray it then. Indeed the prayer at the later part of the night is witnessed (by the angels), and that is better. (Saheeh Muslim and others)

[Hamza Asadullah]

:wasalamex

^ I meant is there a hadith or something that states we can do so?

Edit: Who is this scholar? where is he from? Just read fatwa.

:sl:

He is a respected sheikh from Canada. Regarding your question then as the Sheikh mentioned it is agreed upon by the majority of scholars that Tahajjud prayer although it is far better to sleep first and then pray it in the third portion of the night as Rasulallah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) used to do, it can still be prayed after Isha as sleep is not a requirement for prayng Tahajjud prayer. So if one cannot awaken for Tahajjud in the latter part of the night then one can pray it after Isha or before going to sleep. See: al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 2/232.

Witr should be the last prayer of the night and should be prayed after Tahajjud but if a person was to awaken after a few hours and it was still before dawn then one can still make wudu and pray Tahajjud. The latter part of the night is also the best time to worship Allah and make sincere dua and tawbah as that is the time most are asleep and Allah's mercy extends to his devotees even more at that time.

If one divides the night in thirds, then the final middle third is most virtuous. [Durr al-Mukhtar]

If one divides the night in half, then the second half is more virtuous. [ibid.]

So Tahajjud comes under Qiyaam Al Lail which also includes other acts of worship like dhikr, Qur'an recitation, Dua etc, which can be done before or after sleep for an unspecified amount of time - Basically however much one can do even if it is for a short while.

May Allah enable us to worship him when most are asleep. Ameen

And Allah knows best in all matters

[~ Sabr ~]

:salamext:

So why does it not mention that anywhere in the tafsir ibn kathir?

[Amat Allah]

Is it permissible to pray naafil after Witr?

Praise be to Allaah. There is nothing wrong with the person who prays Witr in the first part of the night or the middle of the night offering any naafil prayers he wants after Witr, even though it is mustahabb for the last of his prayer at night to be Witr. In this case he should not repeat Witr, rather the Witr that he prayed at the beginning of the night is sufficient.
It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Make the last of your prayer at night Witr.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 998; Muslim, 749.
And it was narrated that that Talq ibn ‘Ali said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, “There should not be two Witrs in one night.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 470; al-Nasaa’i, 1679; Abu Dawood, 1439. Classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 7567. Ibn Hazm said in al-Muhalla, 2/92, 93:

Witr at the end of the night is better, but whoever prays Witr at the beginning of the night, that is fine. It is permissible to pray after Witr but one should not repeat Witr.

Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo, 3/512:

If a person prays Witr then he wants to offer a naafil prayer etc at night, that is permissible and is not makrooh, but he should not repeat Witr. The evidence for that is the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who was asked about the Witr of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). She said: “We used to prepare his siwaak (tooth stick) and water for wudoo’ for him, then Allaah would cause him to wake up at any time He willed at night. He would use the tooth stick, do wudoo’ and pray nine rak’ahs, in which he would not sit except in the eighth, when he would remember Allaah, glorify Him and make du’aa’. Then he would get up without saying salaam, and pray the ninth rak’ah. Then he would sit down and again remember Allaah, glorify Him and make du’aa’. Then he would say a salaam that we could hear, then he would pray two rak’ahs after that, whilst sitting down.” Narrated by Muslim; this is part of a lengthy hadeeth, which is to be understood as meaning that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed two rak’ahs after Witr to show that it is permissible to pray after Witr.

source: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20851

Witr

It starts when a person has prayed ‘Isha’, even if it is joined to Maghrib at the time of Maghrib, and lasts until dawn begins, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has prescribed for you a prayer (by which He may increase your reward), which is Witr; Allaah has enjoined it for you during the time between ‘Isha’ prayer until dawn begins.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 425; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
Is it better to offer this prayer at the beginning of its time or to delay it?
The Sunnah indicates that if a person thinks he will be able to get up at the end of the night, it is better to delay it, because prayer at the end of the night is better and is witnessed (by the angels). But whoever fears that he will not get up at the end of the night should pray Witr before he goes to sleep, because of the hadeeth of Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever fears that he will not get up at the end of the night, let him pray Witr at the beginning of the night, but whoever thinks that he will be able to get up at the end of the night, let him pray Witr at the end of the night, for prayer at the end of the night is witnessed (by the angels) and that is better.” Narrated by Muslim, 755.
Al-Nawawi said: This is the correct view. Other ahaadeeth which speak of this topic in general terms are to be interpreted in the light of this sound, specific and clear report, such as the hadeeth, “My close friend advised me not to sleep without having prayed Witr.” This is to be understood as referring to one who is not sure that he will be able to wake up (to pray Witr at the end of the night). Sharh Muslim, 3/277.

source: http://islamqa.info/en/ref/46544

and click on the following to know more in shaa Allah:
Is there any difference between tahajjud and qiyaam al-layl?

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

So why does it not mention that anywhere in the tafsir ibn kathir?

Allah knows best, but I think that is in reference to the Messenger :saws1: only. It was obligatory for the Messenger :saws1: to pray tahajjud whereas for us it is the best prayer after the obligatory prayers.

[~ Sabr ~]

:salamext:

^ Not convinced, sorry. It's best to go with what the majority of the scholars say, and that is that tahajjud can only be prayed after sleeping.

And Allaah knows best.

[Amat Allah]

Praise be to Allaah.Qiyaam al-layl means spending the night, or part of it, even if it is only one hour, in prayer, reading Qur’aan, remembering Allah (dhikr) and other acts of worship. It is not stipulated that it should take up most of the night.

It says in Maraaqi al-Falaah: What is meant by qiyaam is spending most of the night in worship, or it was said: spending one hour of it, in reading Qur'aan, listening to hadeeth, glorifying Allah (tasbeeh) or sending blessings upon the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). End quote. Al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah al-Kuwaitiyyah, 34/117.

Tahajjud means specifically praying at night, and some scholars limited it to prayers that are offered at night after sleeping. Al-Hajjaaj ibn ‘Amr al-Ansaari (may Allah be pleased with him) said: One of you thinks that if he gets up at night and prays until morning comes that he has done tahajjud. But in fact tahajjud means praying after sleeping, then praying after sleeping. That is how the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah upon him) prayed. Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said in al-Talkhees al-Habeer (2/35): Its isnaad is hasan; it includes Abu Saalih, the scribe of al-Layth, and it is somewhat weak. It was also narrated by al-Tabaraani, whose isnaad includes Ibn Luhay‘ah, whose report is supported by the one that came before it. End quote.

Thus it becomes clear that qiyaam al-layl is more general than tahajjud, because it includes prayer and other actions, and it includes prayer before and after sleeping. But tahajjud is exclusively praying, and there are two opinions concerning it. The first is that it means praying at any time of the night, which is the view of the majority of fuqaha’.

The second is that it is prayer after sleeping. See: al-Mawsoo‘ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 2/232.

read here please May Allah be pleased with you Ameen:

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/143240

[Abu Zainab]

Sorry to cut in with a new question (since we seem to have a lot of knowledgeable people on this thread):

When is the best time to pray the sunnah of fajr if one misses it - right after fard or wait till sunrise?

['Abd-al Latif]

Sorry to cut in with a new question (since we seem to have a lot of knowledgeable people on this thread):

When is the best time to pray the sunnah of fajr if one misses it - right after fard or wait till sunrise?

The best time is to pray before the sun rises. If one has still missed it and the sun has begun to rise, he should make it up after about 10-15 mins (depending on the country) once the sun has risen.

[Abu Zainab]

The best time is to pray before the sun rises. If one has still missed it and the sun has begun to rise, he should make it up after about 10-15 mins (depending on the country) once the sun has risen.

But what about the ruling that there is no prayer between fajr and sunrise? Or is this an exception?

[~ Sabr ~]

^ What do you mean? The time for Fajr finishes once the sun has risen. There is no prayer DURING sunrise, but once the sun has risen the prayers can be qaza'd.

['Abd-al Latif]

But what about the ruling that there is no prayer between fajr and sunrise? Or is this an exception?

That's why I said after sunrise. :)

Note that it cannot be straight after sunrise, the sun has to be a spear's length from the ground (if you were to thrust a spear in the ground from where you are standing and look between it and the sun's distance on the horizon) before you can pray again. This is roughly 10-15 minutes after sunrise depending on the country you live in.

[Hamza Asadullah]

Sorry to cut in with a new question (since we seem to have a lot of knowledgeable people on this thread):

When is the best time to pray the sunnah of fajr if one misses it - right after fard or wait till sunrise?

:sl:

The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wa sallam) laid great emphasis on the sunnah prayer of Fajr, saying, "It is more superior than the world and everything within it." (Sahih Muslim 1:151)


The best way to pray Fajr is to pray it quickly and at home and then for men to proceed to the Masjid and women to pray it at home:

Aishah (RA) narrates: "The Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) would pray the two rak'at before the dawn prayer in my house so quickly that I wondered if he had recited the Fatihah in them or not." [Ahmed]

عن عائشة، قالت: كان رسول اللّه صلى الله عليه وسلم يقرأ في ركعتي الفجر: " قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ [ الكافرون: ]، و: " قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ " [الإخلاص: ]. وكان يُسِر بهما

'Aishah (RA) reports that the Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) would silently recite the following in the two rak'at before salatul fajr

"Say: O disbelievers," and "Say: He is Allah, the One." [Ahmed, Tahawi]


Regarding your question then It depends on whether the question you are asking is if you were to miss the Sunnah of fajr altogether because the time of Fajr was nearly over to which the ruling is that In the event that the 2 Rakaah (units) of Fajar Sunnah are omitted or missed entirely then a person may make them up i.e. offer them after sunrise.

عن أبي هريرة، أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: "من لم يصل ركعتي الفجر، حتى تطلع الشمس، فليصلها"

Abu Hurairah (RA) reports that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: "Whoever fails to pray the two [sunnah] rak'at of the fajr until the sun rises, [he should then] pray them." [Baihaqi]


Also if the Sunnats and Fardh Salaats should be made before the time of Zawaal, and if Qadhaa of Fajr Salaat is done after Zawaal, then only the Fardh should be performed, not the Sunnats. However, if only the Sunnats were missed, it should not be repeated after the Fardh of Fajr Salaat, i.e. before sunrise. It may be performed before Zawaal on the same day. (Ibid pg.512)


If your question is regarding whether you missed the Sunnah if you joined a congregation in the Masjid and happened to miss the Sunnah. Then this ruling will depend on which madhab you adhere to as there is a difference of opinion among the Muslim jurists.

The opinion of Imam Al-Shafi'i and Imam Ahmad is that he should join the jamaah and pray sunnah after the jamaah is finished, either before sun rise or after that. On the other hand Imam Abu Hanifah and Imam Malik are of the views that if one expects to find at least one rakat of the jamaah he may pray sunnah preferably in his home or at a place in the Masjid which is distant from the Imam. This view of Imam Abu Hanifah's based firstly on the Mutawatir Ahadith prohibiting any prayer after the fard of Fajr upto the sun rise and secondly on the basis of the practice of a large number of Sahaba who used to pray sunnat before they joined the jamaah. This practice is reported from Abdullah Ibn 'Umar, Abdullah ibn Masud, Abdullah ibn Abbas and Abu al-Darda (Radi-Allahu anhum ajma'een). These reports may be seen in Tahavi 1:183 and Musannaf Abdur Razzaq v.2 p.444 No. 4021 etc.

The following is a good conclusion to differences of opinion in matters pertaining to fiqh:

It is to be noted that such differences in the opinions of the Muslims Jurists have long been discussed and debated. Every Muslim Jurist has some basis in the Qur'an, Sunnah or in the practice of the Sahabah and their differing views are based on various interpretations of the same resources of the Islamic Shariah. Therefore, whoever adopts a practice based on any one of these schools of interpretation should not be blamed of violating the Shariah or the Sunnah, nor should these differences be taken as a means of creating disputes or quarrels between the Muslims because every Muslim Jurist did his best to reach the truth and no one is totally incorrect.

And Allah knows best in all matters

Sources used:

http://www.albalagh.net/qa/fajrsunnah.shtml

http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=4714&act=view

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/fajarsunnah.htm

[Hamza Asadullah]

From Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

For Verse: "And in some parts of the night offer the salah (prayer) with it (reciting the verses of the Quran), as an additional prayer (Tahajjud)" (Holy Quran 17:79)



Source: http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...2796&Itemid=72

Comments?

:sl:

As mentioned before the majority of scholars state that sleeping is not a pre-requisite for praying Tahajjud and this opinion is also mentioned in the commentary above when Al Hasan Al Basri mentions that it could also mean a prayer after Isha.

There are some scholars who say otherwise but the majority of scholars confirm that it can be prayed after Isha although it is far better to sleep first as it is more superiour in reward and more pleasing to Allah because it is harder to get up from sleep to worship and pray when most others are asleep.

And Allah knows best in all matters

[IbnAbdulHakim]

please post the stances of the madhabs on this issue.


JazakAllah khair