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demmaster
08-17-2011, 08:05 PM
Hello brothers and sisters, my name is Dwayne.

I am from the United States, in the state of South Carolina. I have recently made the decision to become a Muslim, for Allah, myself and my girlfriend. I was a Christian and from a Christian background. I do not regret being a Christian, but I've made the decision to become Muslim because the Bible left me with questions and grief. I agree with Islam and I plan on staying Muslim for the rest of my life. It's kind of scary for me right now, because it's a new world for me. But I find Islam very beautiful and the Qur'an doesn't leave me with questions. Even as a Christian, I didn't agree with Trinity and I've always believed in one God. My biggest fear was telling my Christian mother, but she was very understanding. I also would not be able to marry my girlfriend in the future being a Christian. That isn't the reason I converted though, but it did help. I am still learning and I do agree with Islam and I believe Allah wants me to be Muslim. I also believe like a lot of Muslims do, that the Bible was corrupted over time. Even my girlfriend kept asking me if I was sure I wanted to do this, and though I know it'll be a tough transition, I am definitely sure I want to be Muslim. I worry a little about some things, due to my mental illness with schizophrenia, as I want to do all that is required of me even though I don't have a sane mind. My girlfriend has been guiding me through the basics, and even when I was Christian, I wanted to raise our future children Muslim. And she deserves to have a Muslim husband. I agree that Mohammed is the messenger of God and that Allah is the one true God. I don't believe anyone shares in his divinity. I'm 24-years-old and have kept my virginity for marriage. I want to learn all I can about Islam and I've come here for help and guidance. I know of the five pillars of Islam and have been learning about them. I'm happy I've made this decision, especially during Ramadan. I feel it was meant to be! :)

-Dwayne
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aadil77
08-17-2011, 08:11 PM
As'salam 'Alaykum (Peace be onto you)

Congratulations brother :p

welcome to islam, yes probably no better time than ramadhan to become a muslim - hope you can feel the peace and tranquility already :shade:

Take it easy, don't burden your self to much at this stage and Any questions you have be sure to ask us

Take Care
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alhamdulilaah
08-17-2011, 09:20 PM
Asalamu alaikum,

Welcome to the forum, Hope you enjoy ur stay here.

I am posting some links here which are good Islamic websites, so you can study.

Translation of Quran by Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D. and Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan

http://www.dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html

Another good translation is by Saheeh International.In this link you will find translation of saheeh international also
and many other translations, but I advise you to choose translation by (DR.Hilali and khan) or Saheeh International.
If you like you can listen to recitation of Quran from this software also.It has both the translations I mentioned.

http://tanzil.net/#1:1



Some good Islamic websites:

http://www.kalamullah.com/ (Many free Islamic ebooks) ,

In this site there is section named " Quran" http://www.kalamullah.com/al-quran.html
(Here you will be able to find Translation of Quran also.)

http://www.islamhouse.com/ (many free Islamic ebooks)

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php

http://islamworld.net/

http://www.sultan.org/

http://www.islaam.net/main/


In the end, I invite you to ponder and read the translation of Quran:


Home of Peace:

Allah calls to the home of peace (i.e. Paradise, by accepting Allah's religion of Islamic Monotheism and
by doing righteous good deeds and abstaining from polytheism and evil deeds) and guides whom He wills to a Straight Path.

Surah Yunus (Jonah) 10, ayah 25


Way to forgiveness from your Lord:

And march forth in the way (which leads to) forgiveness from your Lord, and for Paradise as
wide as are the heavens and the earth, prepared for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
Surah Ale-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3, ayah 133


The final home:

Those who fulfill the Covenant of Allah and break not the Mithaq (bond, treaty, covenant);

Those who join that which Allah has commanded to be joined (i.e. they are good to their relatives and
do not sever the bond of kinship), fear their Lord, and dread the terrible reckoning
(i.e. abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which Allah has forbidden and perform all kinds of good deeds which
Allah has ordained).

And those who remain patient, seeking their Lord's Countenance, perform As-Salat (Prayer) (Iqamat-as-Salat), and
spend out of that which We have bestowed on them, secretly and openly, and defend evil with good, for such there is a good end;

'Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens), which they shall enter and (also) those who acted righteously
from among their fathers, and their wives, and their offspring. And angels shall enter unto them from every gate (saying):

"Salamun 'Alaikum (peace be upon you) for that you persevered in patience! Excellent indeed is the final home!"

Surah Ar-Ra'd (The Thunder) 13, ayat 20-24





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جوري
08-17-2011, 10:07 PM


:welcome: aboard and Allah Akbar we're certainly very glad to have you join us and in the holy month.. Masha'Allah.. btw we have quite a few converts surprisingly from the 'bible belt' so insha'Allah perhaps some of them can get in touch and make your experience less painful..

The religion of Islam is vast so go it at your own pace and don't be overwhelmed..

The Prophet said: 'The religion (of Islam) is easy. No one ever made it difficult without it becoming too much for him. So avoid extremes and strike a balance, do the best you can and be cheerful, and seek Allah's help (through prayer) in the morning, and evening, and part of the night.' (Sahîh Bukhârî)

p.s. There is no reason why you can't marry your current girlfriend, and Allah swt knows best..

:w:
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MustafaMc
08-18-2011, 01:58 AM
Assalamu alaikum, Brother Dwayne,

Alahu akbar! I am glad to hear that you have become a Muslim. I believe this is the most important decision of your life. Truly, Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) has blessed you with guidance. There is much to learn, but go at your own pace and don't let others push you too much and overwhelm you with information over-load. I am also a convert to Islam. I grew up as a Christian and became a Muslim in 1982. I had a rocky road along the way, but have been practicing consistently since June 2001, as Allah (swt) has willed.

The book 'Islam in Focus' was very helpful to me and can be accessed here http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_...m_in_focus.pdf

One of the first things one should learn is a few short surahs (102 to 114) to recite in prayer. I have found this software to be very helpful. http://www.imaanstar.com/juz30.php I like the recitation by Husaree. This Ramadan I have learned 8 of the 9 ayat of Surah Al-Humaza (104) with this program.

I have 7 translations of the Quran and like the Majestic Quran best, but it is out of print. Next I like the Gracious Quran that I got from Amazon.com http://www.universalknowledgeinstitu...ki-hammad.html
http://www.amazon.com/Gracious-Quran...3632083&sr=1-1

We are here to help with what questions you may have.
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IslamicRevival
08-18-2011, 02:36 AM
Allah Hu Akbar, Welcome to Islam brother :)
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noorseeker
08-18-2011, 03:54 AM
Welcome aboard brother, Hope you are well

I think the fact you being christian before has made your faith in islam that much stronger

So you been on both sides of the coin

Again Welcome our Dear brother :D
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Ramadhan
08-18-2011, 05:34 AM
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MashaAllah what a fantastic news!

It is past mid day here in my place and I am very thirsty, but reading your post feels like I've just had refreshing shower and had a nice cold drinks.
May Allah SWT always keep you on the straight path and give you the best in this world and hereafter. ameen.

Just make lots and lots of du'a (supplications) to Allah.
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Riana17
08-18-2011, 07:23 AM
Asalam alaikkum

Subhanallah! we have another convert, Masha Allah really makes me cry whenever I see converts especially after reading their story.

As a convert surely Allah will show you His love through his blessings & some test, may you pass them all and remains a real MUSLIM till death. May your family also finds ISLAM in their hearts one day.
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Amat Allah
08-18-2011, 12:24 PM
Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar

Welcome O my respected and noble brother to IB as a new dear and precious member of our Family...

May Allah love you, be pleased with ya , guide your way always and forever and May He The Exalted The Most Merciful reward ya with the highest level of the Paradise without being reckoning O Allah Ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

take care of your precious self, God Willing.

leaving you under Allah`s sight, care and protection...

Humbly, your sister :

Amat Allah
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shible
08-18-2011, 12:58 PM
:sl:

Welcome aboard Brother,

While going through the posts you may feel there are too much to know about Islam, But it is a fact not only for the new reverts but also for people who are already practising. Islam is a treasure which rewards you with more and more knowledge as you dig.

So take you own time and learn slowly but firmly,

May Allah provide you the strength to overcome your problems and issues and Make your life in Dhunia easy and May Allah guide you towards the right path, the path which Muhammad (S.A.W) had asked us to follow.

Make your stay comfortable.

:wa:
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Khalil_Allah
08-18-2011, 06:16 PM
+1 on what everyone else said.

Allahu akbar. Allah guided you in Ramadan, just like His last Prophet saws. :D You are a new baby as far as your sins are concerned, and mashaAllah that you are waiting till marriage. You cannot underestimate the value that this will add to your marriage, inshaAllah.

And as others have said, take it easy for right now and don't burn yourself out. You can spend the rest of your life learning this religion, and you will find that your understanding is renewed with each step of the way. There are millions and billions of rules and do's and don't's and guys with convincing beards that will try to tell you how you had ought to live your life now that you are Muslim. They all generally mean well, but it can certainly be overwhelming. Just take it slow and do everything with the intention to please God, and He will not leave you confused. Believe that!

All across this planet, there are over a billion people praying to God in lines, facing one place. We are all connected, all part of one body, and we are all here to help each other. Welcome to the ranks. :) May God bless you with all the success, and may your family follow shortly behind you. Ameen
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demmaster
08-19-2011, 12:37 AM
Thanks so much everyone for the warm welcome to the boards and to Islam. I'm still learning a lot. Even when I was a Christian I would read the Qur'an and I would always keep an open mind and open heart to my Muslim brothers and sisters. I hope everyone is having a blessed Ramadan! :)

-Dwayne
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Zafran
08-19-2011, 01:52 AM
Salaam

welcome to the forum and Islam

Hope you enjoy your stay here

peace
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Strzelecki
08-19-2011, 03:05 AM
Wa alaykum salaam brother Dwayne.
Welcome to Islam ad welcome to the forums.

Insha'Allah you'll enjoy your stay here and it will be filled with mutual benefit.

May Allah swt protect and reward you always. Ameen.
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brmm
08-19-2011, 11:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc

I have 7 translations of the Quran and like the Majestic Quran best, but it is out of print. Next I like the Gracious Quran that I got from Amazon.com http://www.universalknowledgeinstitu...ki-hammad.html
http://www.amazon.com/Gracious-Quran...3632083&sr=1-1
Bismallah Alrahman Alrahim

Assalam Alaikom,
Brother Mustafa and our new brother in Islam, I wish to say my opinion inshallal about the best Quran translation.

I never heard about this translation before. Anyway I have checked few verses on line and I don't recommended it to any Muslims. I think the translation is not that good. Again I have checked few ayaz only. Mainly I look to Sora Al-Iklas (112) to see if the translation is good or not as short cut.

In this translation the translator translated the first Aya (Kol Howa Allaho Ahad) to (Say, He is God, one). There is one huge mistake which is translating the name of Allah Sobhanaho to God. The translation of the word god in Arabic is "raab" not "Allah". The Aya says: Say Allah not Say God.
He used it for the rest, as I think, of the Quran. This is the worse mistake the translator can ever make.

Second mistake: he translated the word "Ahad" to One, which doesn't go with the miracle of the aya. The word one has two and three after it. "wahid" in Arabic means "one " in English, but Ahad means the only one which has no two or three ..etc.
Two big mistakes in one aya doesn't sounds good at all.

You can find 6 different translations on www.quran.com in English language. The best one is Dr. Ghali translation.

I think it is not available as abook but you can download it as PDF file from this link below or read it online.
www.4shared.com/document/t0OLrVzR/*Quran_Translation_by_Dr_Ghali.*html

On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Towards-Unders...3753779&sr=1-3


Inshallah that was useful.


BRMM
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Asiyah3
08-19-2011, 01:25 PM
SubhaanAllah, what beautiful news at this blessed month. :) Thank you for sharing this with us, and we're all here for you if you need anything.

Welcome back to Islam!
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SFatima
08-19-2011, 02:47 PM
:sl:welcome to the boards!

Please do search the forums and find links for new muslims , hope it is of assistance to you InshAllah o taala'.
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MustafaMc
08-20-2011, 12:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by brmm
I never heard about this translation before. Anyway I have checked few verses on line and I don't recommended it to any Muslims. I think the translation is not that good. Again I have checked few ayaz only. Mainly I look to Sora Al-Iklas (112) to see if the translation is good or not as short cut.

In this translation the translator translated the first Aya (Kol Howa Allaho Ahad) to (Say, He is God, one). There is one huge mistake which is translating the name of Allah Sobhanaho to God. The translation of the word god in Arabic is "raab" not "Allah". The Aya says: Say Allah not Say God.
He used it for the rest, as I think, of the Quran. This is the worse mistake the translator can ever make.

Second mistake: he translated the word "Ahad" to One, which doesn't go with the miracle of the aya. The word one has two and three after it. "wahid" in Arabic means "one " in English, but Ahad means the only one which has no two or three ..etc.
Two big mistakes in one aya doesn't sounds good at all.
Brother, you have a right to your opinion. I tend to agree with your point about the Gracious Quran using 'God' instead of 'Allah'; however, another way of looking at it is that this is an English translation of Arabic to convey a meaning to a person who knows English but not Arabic. You may disagree with me but my understanding is of the word 'Allah' is the same as found in Wikipedia, "The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and 'ilah "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God". When I am talking to Christians I most often use the word 'God' to convey the meaning of the same Deity or Divine Being that they worship. If I were to use 'Allah' this word conveys the meaning of a different God that Muslims worship. This gets back to the argument of 'my God is bigger or more powerful than yours'. We worship the same God as the Jews (YHWH) and the Christians (the Father), except that Christians also worship Jesus.

I don't speak Arabic so I am not in a position to debate, but even the Hilali-Khan translation has, Say (O Muhammad): "He is Allah, (the) One." This is in agreement with the Gracious Quran because what is in parenthesis is not translation of an Arabic term, but merely stuck in by the translator to clarify meaning. I disagree that 'Rabb' (the ba has the shadah & no double alif) is translated as Allah because 'Allah' and 'Rabb' are two different Arabic words with different Arabic letters. The Hilali/Khan translates 'Rabbil 'alameen' as "Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn, and all that exists)." This ayat illustrates why I don't like Hilali/Khan with too many Arabic words explained in parenthesis.

In summary, the use of 'God' was a legitimate choice, but he should have include 'the' with it. The translation of 'ahad' as 'One' is also legitimate. To convey meaning of the Arabic text to an English speaker, I still believe that the Gracious Quran is the best one available among the ones that I have. I prefer the Majestic Quran published by the Nawawi Foundation, but it is no longer available.
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Muhaba
08-20-2011, 12:46 PM
I am really happy that you have decided to become a muslim. You will find that Islam is the most beautiful and peaceful religion.
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demmaster
08-20-2011, 01:39 PM
Thank you so much everyone. When I was a Christian, I was always at war with my beliefs. I had a very difficult time convincing myself that Jesus was the son of God and that he died for our sins and the whole idea of Trinity seemed preposterous to me. I've always felt there was one God and that he was perfect. I don't believe God as a man would be perfect, and would suffer through the same sins as regular men. I was so much at war with the bible and it just kept leaving me with questions. Is this right what so many believe? Is it right that in my home country that Christianity is smiled upon, while Islam is constantly persecuted? At first, when I read that Muslims believe the bible was corrupted over time, I was uncomfortable in believing so. But then I tested the theory in my mind. So many lies were in the bible.

Then, when I converted recently, all the questions vanished. The first time in a long time, I was at peace in my mind. The Qur'an doesn't leave me with questions. The Qur'an is the absolute word of God and the true Final Testament. I am so thankful to be Muslim. The Qur'an and Islam altogether makes absolute sense to me! No more questions, only truth! Praise Allah! :)

-Dwayne
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MustafaMc
08-20-2011, 02:21 PM
I am happy for you. You have been guided to step out of darkness into the light. I know you are thankful to be chosen for this special honor while so many around you are still led astray.
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Muslim Woman
08-20-2011, 02:24 PM
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Alhamdulillah.

may Allah grants what is best for u . Ameen.
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Abz2000
08-20-2011, 11:26 PM
Peace be to those who follow the guidance,

you made my day,

when i see so many things happening around the world at such a fast pace, it makes every second struggling worthwhile as if a farmer is watching his seeds grow into fruit bearing trees.

and guess what?
a double reward awaits - especially seeing that you'll bring a wealth of previous striving along with you:

51. Now have We caused the Word to reach them themselves, in order that they may receive admonition.
52. Those to whom We sent the Book before this,- they do believe in this (revelation):
53. And when it is recited to them, they say: "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will) from before this.
54. Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert Evil with Good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them.
55. And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."
56. It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.
Quran 28
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brmm
08-22-2011, 01:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc
Brother, you have a right to your opinion. I tend to agree with your point about the Gracious Quran using 'God' instead of 'Allah'; however, another way of looking at it is that this is an English translation of Arabic to convey a meaning to a person who knows English but not Arabic. You may disagree with me but my understanding is of the word 'Allah' is the same as found in Wikipedia, "The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and 'ilah "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God". When I am talking to Christians I most often use the word 'God' to convey the meaning of the same Deity or Divine Being that they worship. If I were to use 'Allah' this word conveys the meaning of a different God that Muslims worship. This gets back to the argument of 'my God is bigger or more powerful than yours'. We worship the same God as the Jews (YHWH) and the Christians (the Father), except that Christians also worship Jesus.

I don't speak Arabic so I am not in a position to debate, but even the Hilali-Khan translation has, Say (O Muhammad): "He is Allah, (the) One." This is in agreement with the Gracious Quran because what is in parenthesis is not translation of an Arabic term, but merely stuck in by the translator to clarify meaning. I disagree that 'Rabb' (the ba has the shadah & no double alif) is translated as Allah because 'Allah' and 'Rabb' are two different Arabic words with different Arabic letters. The Hilali/Khan translates 'Rabbil 'alameen' as "Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn, and all that exists)." This ayat illustrates why I don't like Hilali/Khan with too many Arabic words explained in parenthesis.

In summary, the use of 'God' was a legitimate choice, but he should have include 'the' with it. The translation of 'ahad' as 'One' is also legitimate. To convey meaning of the Arabic text to an English speaker, I still believe that the Gracious Quran is the best one available among the ones that I have. I prefer the Majestic Quran published by the Nawawi Foundation, but it is no longer available.

Assalam Alaikom brother Mustafa, ramadhan mubarak inshallah...
I respect your kind opinion but inshallah you will change it and you will agree with me :)

You remind me with an argument on a Christian-Muslim debate from Canada, where the Christian man said: does it make sense that I should disagree with the Bible about what it says about Jesus (and all the other issues) and agree with the Quran which had been sent around 600 years after it ? (In another words, he was saying should I believe the new or the old book if I need to believe one of them).
My answer for this man is Yes, you should do so. Why?! because the Quran from Allah, but the Bible is a mixed book and a man chosen. Allah is the first not the man.

The same about your argument, who was first, Wikipedia or Allah ? Allah He is the One who told His all creations that His name is Allah, so they will not worship any one/god else but Him, this issue is very very vital and very very critical in Islam because it is the core of the religion.

Allah is not a man made name, it is what we have told from Allah Sobhanaho Wataala through His prophets and messengers( PBUT all).

Thats why Mohammed PBUH spocke Arabic but he told his followers that our god's name is Allah. Jesus (Isa) PBUH spoke ancient Syriac or Aramaic and he told his followers that our god's name is Allah. I read some of the Sabieen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeism) book (who believe in prophet John the baptist, Yahya PBUH) which available only in Arabic, and the name of god is also Allah. I am very sure it is the same for the rest of the prophets and messengers PBUT.

Do you change/translate your name if you travel outside your country? The answer is NO, so why you accept to translate Allah's name ?

Translation of Allah's name caused a big problem for the Jew and the Christian. All the Bible does not contain the name of god (or God).

Thats why we say: Allah Sobhanaho Wataala but we don't say Al-Rabb Sobhanaho Wataala.

At the day of Judgment we will all be asked: who is your god ? We will say: Allah or we will say: god (but with a big g) ?

Through my research and comparison of different translations, I found Dr. Muhammad Mahmud Ghali's translation is the most accurate one, not with the meanings but with the structures of the translated sentences also, to the Arabic Quran. Allah will reword him inshallah the Janna for his work, he spent around 15 years to finish it.

For sure, there are many translations that I don't know or read before.

Inshallah that was useful.


Wasalaam

BRMM
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Ansariyah
08-22-2011, 02:28 PM
Allahu Akbar!

I'm happy to hear this beautiful news, May Allah Allah swt keep you on the straight path and grant you Jannah ameeen.=)
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Abz2000
08-22-2011, 08:00 PM
2And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

the name "GOD" is also not a semetic name, it is just a translation into english,
i tend to agree with brother Mustafa MC somewhat, in that the word Allah has a meaning, and when you are talking in a different language, it can be useful to use terms that explain the meaning rather than give them arabic words which take on a whole different meaning in their minds - they tend to think of it as an arabic word therefore foreign - and forget that the word God is an english word and can be found nowhere in the original texts, i can also give you Quranic verses to support my argument:

110. Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well):
for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.
Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between."
Quran 17:110

Yes - the Quran uses the word Allah, and the Quran was revealed in the Arabic language, and the term Allah was used by arabs before Islam, so in order to translate - it can be rendered into different languages - though the term Allah is quite unique and without ambiguity in meaning. it can become clouded to some who see it as alien to what they know, and imagine all these stereotypical ideas rather than simply imagine the creator when you speak of Him, so the term Almighty God imho is a valid one, when speaking in English.
i remember debating with someone once and he was telling me that he believed in God and i was telling him about Allah or something, despite the fact that i wasn't, i had explained to him that it was an Arabic term which had the same meaning of Almighty God, he didn't believe me and i had to pull out the verse from exodus 6:3 to prove that the prophets before Moses had used the term Almighty God in their respective languages, and Jehovah was new to Moses, and that even the word "God" was not a Hebrew or Aramaic word - but a meaning which described something.

however, the person on the cross (mistaken to be Prophet Jesus (pbuh) ) is recorded to have said: Eli, Eli, Lamasabachthani? meaning: My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
the term Eli is of importance here, as the Arabs would use the term Ilahi, to mean "my God", ilah meaning god, "i" at the end refers to oneself, and the term "EL" describes divinity in the Hebrew tongue, so it was a term used :
here's a breakdown:

ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, e.g. ����, ����, ܐܠ, אל, إل or إله etc.) is a Northwest Semitic word meaning "deity", cognate to Akkadian ‘ilu and then to Hebrew עֵלִי:Eli and Arabic الله: Allah).
In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Eli or Il was the supreme god,[2] the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Rās Shamrā- Arabic: رأس شمرا‎, Syria).[2]
The noun ʾēl was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of gods or the Father of all gods, in the ruins of the royal archive of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC.

so again, it comes down to the fact that Almighty God used human terms to communicate with humans, and the term itself has a meaning, and is not just a name without meaning,
the reason why many names are not translated is because many names don't have any meaning whatsoever. the term barrington, i don't think can be translated into any language, but the term Allah can, and if the meaning is more clear to the listener than the word, then i'd say it's useful to use the meaning.
and finally:
We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them.
Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
Quran 14:4

i won't argue against the fact that Allah is a unique term, but then the whole Quran is unique and can be lost in translation, as the words have many meanings.

peace
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MustafaMc
08-23-2011, 09:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by brmm
Assalam Alaikom brother Mustafa, ramadhan mubarak inshallah...
I respect your kind opinion but inshallah you will change it and you will agree with me :)
Wa alaikum assalam wa Ramadhan mubarak. Perhaps you are right.
Allah is not a man made name, it is what we have told from Allah Sobhanaho Wataala through His prophets and messengers( PBUT all).
From the Dictionary of the Holy Quran: "The word Allah is not a contraction of al-ilah, as some people tend to believe, but quite a different word. This being the proper name of the Supreme Being, and having no parallel or equivalent in any other language of the world. The original name 'Allah' should be retained in the translation."
Thats why Mohammed PBUH spocke Arabic but he told his followers that our god's name is Allah.
What ayah or hadith can you quote to support this statement?
At the day of Judgment we will all be asked: who is your god ? We will say: Allah or we will say: god (but with a big g) ?
Insh'Allah, we will answer correctly.
Through my research and comparison of different translations, I found Dr. Muhammad Mahmud Ghali's translation is the most accurate one, not with the meanings but with the structures of the translated sentences also, to the Arabic Quran. Allah will reword him inshallah the Janna for his work, he spent around 15 years to finish it.

For sure, there are many translations that I don't know or read before.

Inshallah that was useful.


Wasalaam

BRMM
Yes, that was helpful. Thank you for your kind correction of my error. Jazak Allahu khayran.
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brmm
08-23-2011, 05:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc
"What ayah or hadith can you quote to support this statement?Insh'Allah
Assalamo alaikom brother Mustafa warahmato Allah,
I think the most clear example is the first and the most important peace of information in Islam which is "La Ilaha Illa Allah, There is no god but Allah" which is the head of the Islam.
From the Holy Quran I can quote some clear ayas like:
20:14 "Surely I, Ever I, am Allah; there is no god except I; so worship Me, and keep up the prayer for My Remembrance."
27:09"O Musa, surely I, Ever I, am Allah, The Ever-Mighty, The Ever-Wise."
28:30"Then, as soon as he came up to it, he was called out from the right bank of the valley in the blessed spot, from the Tree, (that), "O Musa, surely I, Ever I, am Allah, The Lord of the worlds."

As you can read brother, Allah Sobhanaho Wataala Himself calling Himself Allah, can any man argue after this ?

Jazaka Allah Khair for your patience and understanding.
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brmm
08-23-2011, 06:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by abz2000
2And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

the name "GOD" is also not a semetic name, it is just a translation into english,
i tend to agree with brother Mustafa MC somewhat, in that the word Allah has a meaning, and when you are talking in a different language, it can be useful to use terms that explain the meaning rather than give them arabic words which take on a whole different meaning in their minds - they tend to think of it as an arabic word therefore foreign - and forget that the word God is an english word and can be found nowhere in the original texts, i can also give you Quranic verses to support my argument:

110. Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well):
for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.
Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between."
Quran 17:110

Yes - the Quran uses the word Allah, and the Quran was revealed in the Arabic language, and the term Allah was used by arabs before Islam, so in order to translate - it can be rendered into different languages - though the term Allah is quite unique and without ambiguity in meaning. it can become clouded to some who see it as alien to what they know, and imagine all these stereotypical ideas rather than simply imagine the creator when you speak of Him, so the term Almighty God imho is a valid one, when speaking in English.
i remember debating with someone once and he was telling me that he believed in God and i was telling him about Allah or something, despite the fact that i wasn't, i had explained to him that it was an Arabic term which had the same meaning of Almighty God, he didn't believe me and i had to pull out the verse from exodus 6:3 to prove that the prophets before Moses had used the term Almighty God in their respective languages, and Jehovah was new to Moses, and that even the word "God" was not a Hebrew or Aramaic word - but a meaning which described something.

however, the person on the cross (mistaken to be Prophet Jesus (pbuh) ) is recorded to have said: Eli, Eli, Lamasabachthani? meaning: My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
the term Eli is of importance here, as the Arabs would use the term Ilahi, to mean "my God", ilah meaning god, "i" at the end refers to oneself, and the term "EL" describes divinity in the Hebrew tongue, so it was a term used :
here's a breakdown:

ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, e.g. Λ΍, ऀऋ, ܐܠ, אל, إل or إله etc.) is a Northwest Semitic word meaning "deity", cognate to Akkadian ‘ilu and then to Hebrew עֵלִי:Eli and Arabic الله: Allah).
In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Eli or Il was the supreme god,[2] the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Rās Shamrā- Arabic: رأس شمرا‎, Syria).[2]
The noun ʾēl was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of gods or the Father of all gods, in the ruins of the royal archive of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC.

so again, it comes down to the fact that Almighty God used human terms to communicate with humans, and the term itself has a meaning, and is not just a name without meaning,
the reason why many names are not translated is because many names don't have any meaning whatsoever. the term barrington, i don't think can be translated into any language, but the term Allah can, and if the meaning is more clear to the listener than the word, then i'd say it's useful to use the meaning.
and finally:
We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them.
Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.
Quran 14:4

i won't argue against the fact that Allah is a unique term, but then the whole Quran is unique and can be lost in translation, as the words have many meanings.

peace
Assalamu Alaikom my dear brother,
Thank you for your kind opinion.
I don't agree with many ideas you have said.
Pls take it easy and it will be more clear.

1)You said Allah is an Arabic term. I don't agree. Allah is The First before everything else, so when you say Allah is an Arabic term it means even 1. The Arab new Allah Sobhanaho or His name after using the Arabic language, or 2. Allah Sobhanaho have said to each prophet a different name depending on his people local language. Both options are wrong.
Allah is not an Arabic term, it is the Holy name of Allah Sobhanaho, which Allah Sobhanaho have decided to call Himself and as Allah told us in the Quran.
20:14
إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي




2) Yes we can call Allah Sobhanaho by Al-Rahman, Al-Rahim, ...etc any of His 99 names, but the word (god or rabb) is not one of them.

3) The Christian have a completely different view about the god that they worship than Muslims, so I don't think it is a good idea to say: That Muslims and Christian are worshiping the same god. Their god is 3 in 1, which is not the same that we worship.
Jesus (Isa) PBUH didn't speak Arabic, but He told His people that My and your god is Allah.
You can use the Syriac/Aramiac (Isa's pbuh language) dictionary online, right the word "god" and read the result -----> " Allah"

http://www.atour.com/cgi-bin/diction...ng&VTI-GROUP=0

Allah is The First before any language or any thing.

Baraka Allah Feek.

BRMM
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Abz2000
08-26-2011, 04:15 AM
Thank you for the differing view brother, as it keeps the concept of the forum alive for people to learn different opinions ad decide from, however, the fact remains that the word Allah was used in Arabia long before the Glorious Quran was revealed to the prophet pbuh in his mother tongue, the Jews AND Christians of Arabia referred to the Almighty as Allah and so did the pagans (despite them having confusing opinions of Him) , the prophet's father's name was Abdullah and so where many of the pagans, some of the Jews also had the name, the word may have existed from Adam pbuh and I'm not disputing that, however I am saying that the word Allah in it's current form was used almost exclusively by people in and around the Arabian peninsula, the Hebrews used "El", it may have been Allah in pure Aramaic,

Secondly you asserted that Allah said: inni Ana Allahu la-ilaaha illa Ana,
From that you concluded that Allah was saying the word Allah in it's exact form - which is not in any way an evidence, as He would have been speaking to Moses in his mother Tongue, and it is highly unlikely that he would have used the words inni, Ana, la, ilaha, illa, and Ana, these are all Arabic words, so although Allah swt is saying that's what he said, he's rendering it into Arabic for the prophet pbuh, although Allah says in the Quran that pharaoh said this and pharaoh said that, I can assure you that pharaoh did not utter those exact words as he wasn't speaking in Arabic, Allah was explaining it in the Quranic language.

A nice example, something I found amazing in the previous scripture (despite its edits) was when Moses pbuh asks? Who shall I say sent me? And Allah swt says: I am what I am.
This is a profound statement as it fills in every description and quality of Almighty God into three words, ehye Asher ehye, ie the creator of the heavens and the earth, your creator, my creator, the sustainer, the forgiver, the punisher..... You could go on for ever,

31.27. If all the trees on the earth were pens, and all the sea (were ink), with seven more seas added thereto, the words of God (Hic decrees, the acts of all His Names and Attributes manifested as His commandments, and the events and creatures He creates) would not be exhausted in the writing. Surely God is the All-Glorious with irresistible might (Whom none can frustrate, and Whom nothing can tire), the All-Wise.
وَلَوْ أَنَّمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ مِن شَجَرَةٍ أَقْلَامٌ وَالْبَحْرُ يَمُدُّهُ مِن بَعْدِهِ سَبْعَةُ أَبْحُرٍ مَّا نَفِدَتْ كَلِمَاتُ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

I am sure you would disagree if someone chastised another because he decided to call Allah, the creator of All, or The Almighty, since these are His attributes, and can be called by them,
Similarly, if you check for the word "God" in the dictionary, you will find that it describes His qualities, and when you add the word "Almighty" to that, there's not much ambiguity remaining, so it can be considered a perfectly valid description of the Supreme Being. And it is sometimes more useful to describe him through these attributes than to use a word which may cause a "slide" in the listener's head,
The intelligence community have studied "slides" through various means and have found that a single word or gesture can cause a breakdown in the receptiveness of a subject and cause them to become unreceptive,
For example, if you are having a conversation with a normal person who doesn't know you, they may listen attentively, as soon as you use the words "conspiracy" or "aliens" or "flying saucers" or "massive plot" they can lose focus and their brain will lose reception as they have been conditioned to see these words as bizarre, you could say "Muslim" before 9/11 and "Muslim" after 9/11 and you would find different images pop up in their head due to social conditioning - from hats and prayer rugs to turbans and rpgs and suicide belts and what not, the advertising industry is also well versed in propaganda techniques, this is simple human psychology, if you say "fatwa" they think of something evil and foreign, however, if you simply used the term "ruling" they would continue to listen with neutrality, it is not wrong to use the word Allah, and it should be used, but it is also not wrong to give a clearer word which they can receive with neutrality, and then go on to explain that Allah is the Arabic word to describe Almighty God and it is this word that is used in the Quran, so is now exclusively used by Muslims as the name of Almighty God/the creator/the sustainer etc.

It was a test done by an American scientist, he would get a rabbit and put it near the baby, baby's fine, he makes scary noises behind the rabbit, baby starts getting scared and crying, he moves the rabbit, gets anything furry, baby starts crying - the baby had mentally associated the rat -and in extension, anything furry- with a scary experience, in psychology it's called generalisation. I say freedom fighters, you say extremist fundamentalist terrorists, the people will see the same group in two different lights, despite the subjects of the topic being exactly the same. Why? The different words stir different emotions, and some actions are better explained than labelled to avoid confusion.
A man grows up having heard somewhere that Allah is an intolerant imagined being who lives in a big black box which people encircle in the desert in Saudi arabia, and He requires that they blow themselves up in order to kill as many infidels as possible - no matter how much you try to invite him to Allah, he thinks, I don't want to worship a god who lives in a box in he desert in Saudi Arabia no matter how many nice things you say about him to me! And I definitely don't want to blow myself up! You simply use the accurate description of that God and you see minds wide open - simply because there's no prejudice involved in their judgement and they are receiving it with neutrality, when propagandists want to revile someone, they say a few nice things about them first - simply to give the impression of neutrality....... I hope you get my gist, this video should explain it all:





Peace
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MustafaMc
08-27-2011, 08:49 AM
I like to read opposing points of view as there is always at least one alternative view to our own. When we respect each other we can begin to see through there eyes and understand what is in their heart. Taken with our own understanding, comprehending another one's point of view often enriches our own. This is of course within reason and we should never compromise on what is the very essence of Islam. What comes to mind are the many discussions and debates I have had with Christians about the nature of Jesus (alayhi salam). I think that we agree in this instance to a large degree. Whenever possible and certainly in English translations of the Quran (with a footnote explanation), we should refer to our Creator and Lord as Allah (subhana wa ta'ala). I don't see that it is wrong to use 'God' in personal communications with Christians due to the very point you made of a 'mental slide' and closing of the mind by the one you are talking to if you use 'Allah'. I believe that what is important is conveying of concepts in the language that is understood by the person you are talking to. You can think about a conversation as standing in the doorway of someone's home with the door open when they are listening to you. If you lay too much on them too quickly or use 'foreign' words, then mentally they close the door of their mind to what you are saying. In this case you would do about as much good as if you were talking to a rock and expecting it to understand.
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Insaanah
08-27-2011, 01:35 PM
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It is interesting to see that in some places in the Qur'an, Allah has described/referred to Himself as Ilaah (God).



Dr. Ghali
"And He is (The One) Who in the heaven is God, and in the earth is God; and He is The Ever-Wise, the Ever-Knowing."(43:84)

I take note of brother brmm's point about the importance of accuracy of translations; jazaakallah khayr for bringing up the issue. It is interesting that most here have translated Ilaah as Allah, apart from Ghali and Muhsin Khan, who have either retained the word ilaah (Muhsin Khan), or have translated as God (Dr Ghali).

Also, when preaching to people, Allah did sometimes instruct the Prophet :saws: to tell people that they had only One God, using the word ilaah (God).



Dr. Ghali
Say, "Surely I am only a mortal like you. To me it is revealed that your God is only One God; so go straight to Him, and ask for His forgiveness; and woe to the associators. (41:6)

In fact Rasoolullah :saws: is instructed by Allah to say (using the command 'Qul', meaning 'Say'), "ilaahukum ilaahun waahid" (Your God is One God), at least three times in the Qur'an.

And sometimes Allah says it Himself :



Dr. Ghali
"Your God is One God. So, the ones who do not believe in the Hereafter, their hearts (are) denying and they are waxing proud." (16:22)

So when we are preaching/giving da'wah, we can also use the word God, providing we clarify without a shred of doubt, as the Qur'an does, what the concept of God is in Islam, and how it differs from any other faith.

And Allah knows best in all matters.

Also, welcome to brother Dwayne and apologies for side-tracking this thread.

format_quote Originally Posted by demmaster
I want to learn all I can about Islam and I've come here for help and guidance.
We'll all do our best to help inshaa'Allah, so please do ask away.

May Allah keep you steadfast, ameen.

Assalaamu alaikum.
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