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Samiun
09-04-2011, 12:54 PM
:sl: this gives me a headache. Months ago I thought it would not be obligatory now I find it obligatory again. Can someone shed some light on this matter? Jazakhalkhaira

Touching the quran without wudhu is not permissible




Touching the quran without wudhu is permissible

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zakahmed
09-04-2011, 01:27 PM
That is very confusing :(
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Alpha Dude
09-04-2011, 02:49 PM
:sl:

It is wajib. As mentioned in the first video, there is consensus with the four imams that wudhu is required. Stick with that and ignore all opinions to the contrary.

Dr Zakir Naik, while he's a good dawah and maybe a decent scientific speaker at times, is not an authority on fiqh so I'd advise you stay away from learning your actual deen from him. Why take his modern interpretation as opposed to the understanding of the earlier generations?

In any case it is always going to be better to recite and touch quran with wudhu so don't let yourself get confused and remain on the safe side by always doing wudhu.
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Mr.President
09-04-2011, 03:55 PM
Its really easy bro don't get confused just compare both scholars and come to a conclusion ?
if you go on following one scholar then u will endup as a blind believer so compare and come to a conclusion


NOTE : Don't touch your Phone if you have installed Mobile QURAN :P
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Endymion
09-04-2011, 05:23 PM
Assalam Alekum Respected Brother.

I think this small Ayah says it all.

(56:79) which none but the pure may touch.
Al-Wa'qiah.
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Yanal
09-05-2011, 04:02 AM
Asalam alaikum,

It is not permissible for an impure person to touch the Holy Quran unless you purify yourself. Abdullah bin Abu Bakr reported that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) said: "None except the pure shall touch the Holy Quran." Insha'Allah that will help clarify doubts.
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ayesha.ansari
09-05-2011, 05:15 AM
JAZAKALLAH but if some one is not present home and you must need to move your Quran to other place then what would you do wait for some one to come or do that with out wudu.
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Yanal
09-05-2011, 06:26 AM
Just a question to asses the situation more clearly,is it a must neccesary to move the Quran?
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Mr.President
09-05-2011, 07:09 AM
@Endymion

Please read the 56:77 , 56:78 cuz some scholars say this verse refers to the quran which is in Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz and the meaning of non can touch but the purified means it is only touched by angles

@Yanal

at the same time there are ahadeethes which confirm that ibn abbas ralilallahu anhu allowed it among the Companions



what happens if you have quran on ur mobile ? is this rule only applies to written quran ? and what about non muslims ?
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Tyrion
09-05-2011, 07:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Mr.President
Please read the 56:77 , 56:78 cuz some scholars say this verse refers to the quran which is in Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz and the meaning of non can touch but the purified means it is only touched by angles
This is how I understand that verse... Seems to make the most sense when you consider that there was no physical Quran at the time it was revealed... And I don't know if we can ever really be "pure"... Plus, it would kind of be hard to do proper Dawah/spreading Islam if non Muslims couldn't touch the Quran. Still, you can't deny that it's better to have wudhu when handling a Quran. I tend to stick to digital copies though, since it's more convenient. :p:

format_quote Originally Posted by Mr.President
what happens if you have quran on ur mobile ? is this rule only applies to written quran ? and what about non muslims ?
I would think the mobile thing would be simple... It wouldn't really make sense if we couldn't touch our phones/computers just because they had a digital version of the Quran on them...
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Yanal
09-05-2011, 08:54 AM
Could you provide a few examples insha'Allah?
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Mr.President
09-05-2011, 09:19 AM
@tyrion

I couldn't agree with you more
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Endymion
09-07-2011, 03:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ayesha.ansari
JAZAKALLAH but if some one is not present home and you must need to move your Quran to other place then what would you do wait for some one to come or do that with out wudu.
Assalam Alekum Dear Ayesha.

According to the Ulema's,if it is neccessary to move the Quran,you can hold it through a clean piece of cloth or if it is not available,you can hold it with the covering.The more respectable and careful you become towards the Noble Quran,is better for every Muslim :)
Hope it helps,dear sizta :)

format_quote Originally Posted by Mr.President
@Endymion

Please read the 56:77 , 56:78 cuz some scholars say this verse refers to the quran which is in Al-Lauh Al-Mahfûz and the meaning of non can touch but the purified means it is only touched by angles





what happens if you have quran on ur mobile ? is this rule only applies to written quran ? and what about non muslims ?
format_quote Originally Posted by Tyrion

This is how I understand that verse... Seems to make the most sense when you consider that there was no physical Quran at the time it was revealed... And I don't know if we can ever really be "pure"... Plus, it would kind of be hard to do proper Dawah/spreading Islam if non Muslims couldn't touch the Quran. Still, you can't deny that it's better to have wudhu when handling a Quran. I tend to stick to digital copies though, since it's more convenient. :p:


format_quote Originally Posted by Mr.President
@tyrion

I couldn't agree with you more
Assalam Alekum my respected Brothers.

We need to be very careful while talking about the Quran and only make an opinion or agree with a opinion when it is prroved by Quran and Sunnah or the Respected Scholars as they are learned people and know all the aspects of teachings and we all are just learners.Here is the full explanation of the verse,hope it will help you understand.

Al-Waqia verse 77-79.
That this indeed is a noble Qur'an,inscribed in a well-guarded Book,which none but the pure may touch.

Explanation by Mulana Abul-Ula Moududi .Resources: Ibn Kathir | Maarif | Dawat

This is a refutation of the accusation that the disbelievers used to level against the Quran. They regarded the Prophet (peace be upon him) as a sorcerer and asserted that he was being inspired with the Word by the jinn and Satans. An answer to it has been given at several places in the Quran, e.g. in Surah Ash-Shuara, where it has been said: This (lucid Book) has not beer brought down by satans, nor does this work behoove them, nor are they able to do it. They have indeed been kept out of its hearing. (verses 210-212). The same theme has been expressed here, Saying: None but the purified can touch it. That is to say Not to speak of its being brought down by the Satans, or its being tampered within any way when it is being revealed, none but the pure angels can come anywhere near it when it is being revealed from the well-guarded Tablet (lohemahfuz) to the Prophet (peace be upon him). The word mutahharin has been used for the angels in the sense that Allah has kept them free of every kind of impure feeling and desire. This same commentary of this verse has been given by Anas bin Malik, Ibn Abbas, Saeed bin Jubair, Ikrimah, Mujahid, Qatadah, Abul Aliyah, Suddi, Dahhak and Ibn Zaid, and the same also fits in with the context. For the context itself shows that after refuting the false concepts of the Makkan disbelievers about Tauhid and the Hereafter, now their false accusations against the Quran are being answered, and by swearing an oath by the positions of the stars, it is being stated that the Quran is an exalted Book, which is inscribed in the well-guarded divine writ, in which there is no possibility of any interference by any creation, and it is revealed to the Prophet (peace be upon him) in such a safe way that none but the pure angels can touch it.
Some commentators have taken la in this verse in the sense of prohibition, and have interpreted the verse to mean: None who is unclean should touch it. Although some other commentators take la in the sense of negation and interpret the verse to mean: None but the clean and pure touch this Book, they express the opinion that this negation is a prohibition in the same way as the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) saying is a prohibition: A Muslim is a brother of a Muslim, he does not treat him unjustly. Although, here it has been said that a Muslim does not treat the other Muslim unjustly, you it enjoins that a Muslim is not to treat the other Muslim unjustly. Likewise, although in this verse it has been stated that none but the clean and pure angels touch this Book, yet it enjoins that unless a person is purified, he should not touch it.

The fact, however, is that this commentary does not conform to the context of the verse. Independent of the context, one may take this meaning from its words, but if considered in the context in which the verse occurs, one does not see any ground for saying that: None is to touch this Book except the clean and purified people. For the addressees here are the disbelievers and they are being told, as if to say: This Book has been sent down by Allah, Lord of the worlds. Therefore, your suspicion that the satans inspire the Prophet (peace be upon him) with it is wrong. What could be the occasion here to enunciate the Shariah injunction that no one should touch it without purification? The most that one could say in this regard is that although this verse has not been sent down to enjoin this command, yet the context points out that just as only the purified (mutahharin) can touch this Book in the presence of Allah, so in the world also the people who at least believe in its being divine word should avoid touching it in the impure and unclean state.

The following are the traditions that bear upon this subject:

(1) Imam Malik has related in Muatta this tradition on the authority of Abdullah bin Abi Bakr Muhammad bin Amr bin Hazm: The written instructions that the Prophet (peace be upon him) had sent to the Yamanite chiefs by the hand of Amr bin Hazm contained this instruction also: La yamass-ul Quran a illa tahirun. No one should touch the Quran except the pure one. This same thing has been related by Abu Daud from Imam Zuhri in the traditions which are immediately traced to the Prophet (peace be upon him), (marasil), saying that the writing that he had seen with Abu Bakr Muhammad bin Amr bin Hazm contained this instruction as well.

(2) The traditions from Ali in which he says: Nothing prevented the Prophet of Allah from reciting the Quran but the state of uncleanness due to sexual intercourse. (Abu Daud, Nasai, Tirmidhi).

(3) The tradition of Ibn Umar in which he states: The Messenger (peace be upon him) of Allah said: The menstruating woman and the one who is unclean on account of sexual intercourse should not read any portion of the Quran. (Abu Daud. Tirmidhi).

(4) The tradition of Bukhari in which it has been said that the letter which the Prophet (peace be upon him) sent to Heraclius, the Roman emperor, also contained this verse of the Quran: Yaahl al-Kitabi to alau ila kalimat-in sawaaun bainana wa baina-kum.

The views that have been related from the Prophet’s companions and their immediate followers are as follows:

Salman, the Persian, saw no harm in reading the Quran without the ablutions, but even according to him touching the Quran with the hand in this state was not permissible. The same also was the view of Saad bin Abi Waqqas and Abdullah bin Umar. And Hasan Basri and Ibrahim Nakhai also regarded touching the Quran with the hand without the ablutions as disapproved, (AI-Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur an). The same has been reported from Ata, Taus, Shabi and Qasim bin Muhammad also. (Ibn Qudamah, Al-Mughni). However, according to all of them, reading the Quran without touching it with the hand, or reciting it from memory, was permissible even without the ablutions.

Umar, Ali, Hadrat Hasan Basri. Hadrat Ibrahim Nakhai and Imam Zuhri regarded reading the Quran in the state of uncleanness due to sexual intercourse and menstruation and bleeding after childbirth as disapproved. But Ibn Abbas held the view, and the same also was his practice, that one could recite from memory the portion of the Quran that one usually recited as ones daily practice. When Hadrat Saeed bin al-Musayyab and Saeed bin Jubair were asked about their view in this regard, they replied: Is not the Quran preserved in the memory of such a person? What then is the harm in reciting it? (Al-Mughni, Al- Muhalla by Ibn Hazm).

The following are the viewpoints of the jurists on this subject:

The Hanafi viewpoint has been explained by Imam Alauddin al-Kashani in his Badai-as-Sanai, thus: Just as it is not permissible to offer the Prayer without the ablutions, so also it is not permissible to touch the Quran without the ablutions, However, if the Quran is in a cast or a cover, it may be touched. According to some jurists, the case or cover implies the binding, and according to others, the bag or the envelope or the wrapper in which the Quran is kept and can also be taken out. Likewise, the books of the commentary also should not be touched without the ablutions nor anything else in which a Quranic verse may have been written. However, the books of Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) may be touched although preferably they too may not be touched without the ablutions, for they also contain Quranic verses as part of argument and reasoning. Some Hanafi jurists hold the opinion that only that part of the Quran where the text may have been written should not be touched without the ablutions. As for the margins there is no harm in touching it, whether they are blank or contain notes on the text. The correct thing, however, is that the margins also are a part of the Book and touching them amounts to touching the Book. As for reading the Quran, it is permissible without the ablutions. In Fatawa Alamgiri children have been made an exception from this rule. The Quran can be given in the children’s hand for teaching purposes whether they are in the state of ablutions or not.

The Shafei viewpoint has been stated by Imam Nawawi in Al-Minhaj, thus: As it is for the Prayer and the circumambulation of the Kabah, it is also forbidden to handle the Quran or to touch a leaf of it without the ablutions. Likewise, it is also forbidden to touch the binding of the Quran, and also a bag, or a bow containing the Quran, or a tablet on which a part of the Quran may have been written for instructional purposes. However, it is lawful to touch the baggage of a person containing the Quranic inscription. A child may touch the Quran without the ablutions, and a person without ablutions may turn over a leaf with a piece of wood, or something else, if he wants to read the Quran.

The Maliki position as stated in Al-Fiqh alal-Madhahib al- Arbah is: They concur with the other jurists in this that the state of ablutions is a prerequisite for touching the Quran, but in the matter of imparting instruction in the Quran they make both the teacher and the taught an exception from the rule, and allow even a menstruating woman to touch the Quran if she is engaged in learning or teaching it. Ibn Qadamah has cited in Al-Mughni this saying of Imam Malik: Although reading the Quran in the state of uncleanness due to sexual intercourse is forbidden, the woman who is discharging the menses is permitted to read it, for she would forget her recitations if prohibited from reading the Quran for a long time.

The Hanbali viewpoint as stated by Ibn Qadamah is as follows: In the state of uncleanness due to sexual intercourse and menstruation and bleeding after childbirth it is not permissible to read the Quran or any complete verse of it. However, it is permissible to recite bismillah, al-hamdu-lillah, etc. for although these also are parts of one or the other verse, their recitation does not amount to recitation of the Quran. As for handling the Quran, it is not permissible in any case without the ablutions. However, one is not forbidden to touch a letter, or a book of Fiqh, or some other writing containing a Quranic verse. Likewise, one may handle even without the ablutions, something that contains the Quran. The state of ablutions is also no pre-requisite for handling the books of exegesis. Furthermore, if a person who is not in the state of ablutions is required to handle the Quran under an immediate need, he may do so after purification with the dust (tayammum). Al-Fiqh alal-Madhahib al- Arabah also contains this ruling of the Hanbali Fiqh: It is not right for the children to handle the Quran without ablutions even when receiving instruction in it, and it is the duty of their guardians to make them perform the ablutions before they give the Quran to them.

The Zahiri viewpoint is that reading the Quran and handling it is permissible under all conditions, whether one is without the ablutions, or unclean due to sexual intercourse, or even if the woman is menstruating. Ibn Hazm has discussed this question fully in Al-Muhalla (vol. 1, pp. 77-84) and given arguments for the validity of this viewpoint and has concluded that none of the conditions laid down by the jurists for reading the Quran and handling it, is supported by the Quran and the Sunnah.


A very simple way to understand the point is The Quran is the most Noble book,sent down by Allah SWT through the most Honorable Angel,so why not we read this book in the most honorable and respectable way?


I would think the mobile thing would be simple... It wouldn't really make sense if we couldn't touch our phones/computers just because they had a digital version of the Quran on them...
Talking about Mobile Quran,its like your brain.When you go to bathroom,you dont remove your brain because you memorize the Ayahs and they are saved in your brain,you just dont recite them in Bathroom.The same is with listening the Quran,its not necessary to make ablution but when you yourself want to recite it,you need to be in the pure state.
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