Can Iblis Overpower Us?

this all came from me watchin a film and the devil in the film basically which ever women he met...he'd fornicate with her, whatever guy he didnt like he'd get them instantly killed....what does islam say about, can he really do that?

or is the best thing iblis can do is whispering bad stuff to us?

it whispers to you - just as humans can,
it entices you - just as humans can
PAST THAT LINE OF FREEWILL...............................
they can possess you - just as humans now can.

there are satans among jinn and among men - read the last verse of the last chapter of the Quran

you may find this interesting:


imagine this process being reversed:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_paperclip

http://www.skewsme.com/cia.html#axzz1Z1BAQaTb

yes brother Ramadan - it is true,
however there is something which does exist which ventures past the line of freewill - and even the Prophet (pbuh) was affected by it.
though we must bear in mind that life is a test from Allah, and that He knows and has power.

you cannot blame a murderer's actions on Allah, despite Allah having full power, because He gave us laws, and showed us what was good and bad, (the test of Adam as to what to avoid) and if we abide by them (these rules) the whole of humanity runs smoothly, if humans divert from the guidance (the manufacturer's manual) given, the appliance can malfunction.
you are correct that it is built on rules which cannot be broken and which Allah has full power over, but then there are rules where man has been given choice - and some choose to go to the limits of those rules - which make them go astray.

41. Mischief has appeared on land and sea because of (the meed) that the hands of men have earned,
that ((Allah)) may give them a taste of some of their deeds: in order that they may turn back (from Evil).
Quran 30:41

101. And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah, confirming what was with them,
a party of the people of the Book threw away the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!
102. They followed what the satans recited over the kingdom of Solomon: but Solomon did not disbelieve, but the satans disbelieved,
teaching people Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut.
But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not disbelieve."
They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife.
But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission.
And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if only they knew!
103. If they had kept their Faith and guarded themselves from evil, far better had been the reward from their Lord,
if they but knew!
Quran 2:101-103

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.1.
1. Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn
2. From the evil of created things;
3. From the evil of Darkness as it overspreads;
4. From the evil of those who blow into knots (practise secret arts);
5. And from the evil of the envious one as he practises envy.
Quran 113

it is not a good topic to dwell too much on unless affected by it, but it sure does exist - even the evil ones who practise it give us short hidden messages.
and that it is built on rules which they cannot transgress - remember the story of the boy and the king? where the king could not kill him until Allah was ready to take him, that is a bypassing of the normal rules - which we call miracles.

It can over power you only if you allow it to, but if you're somebody who religiously reads Sura Falak and Naas plenty of times in a day and shoof over yourself, its effects go and weaken, untill they are gone.

jazaks for the reply guys, its maybe then christian or jews (i said maybe) who think that iblis can fornicate or kill ppl too if wished but i dont kno...allah knows best

This video was made by a good brother of mine, named Mohammad (known on youtube as Bushwackk). I think you will all find this video quite enlightening in reference to the subject being discussed here:

Scimitar said:

This video was made by a good brother of mine, named Mohammad (known on youtube as Bushwackk). I think you will all find this video quite enlightening in reference to the subject being discussed here:

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oh....my...god....is this video for real? im not denying it or anythn but i guess most of us 50% chance are jus gonna think "this is fake"?

i understand jinns can harms us but iblis himslf however....can he?

they work for iblis, he doesn't always do the direct work,
you don't see obama or bush murdering people - even though it is they who are doing it.


regarding the above vid..............
it seemed a bit bait- the jinn calls their leader dajjal (DECEIVER)?
no that's the name the righteous use to describe him, not the satanists.
the satanists call him prince of darkness and the illuminated one etc.
anyways - it just felt off key and bait.

but it is true - they do serve him:

Naw i discovered this maybe two day ago, Ilbis/Shaitan decieves you, so essentially you know how Allah the master of all, he gives us strength to walk through the valley of shadows and guides us, but anytime we stray we risk giving up the strength and gifts Allah gives us for evil uses, so essentially, Ilbis is really just a smooth talker, and you end up giving him yourself letting him possess you (he can only possess after people willingly follow him). Allah knows all things.

YM Usrah Umar said:

oh....my...god....is this video for real? im not denying it or anythn but i guess most of us 50% chance are jus gonna think "this is fake"?

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Yes, this is for real. The brother in the video is an Algerian brother named Abdul Raouf - far as I'm aware, he's the only one on the exorcism circuit who releases the Jinn even if they don't accept Islam. He is pretty well known by Muslims, and the Jinns know of him. With regard to Brother Mohammed (youtube user: Bushwackk), the brother is the one who made the infamous Solomons Temple series on youtube, and like me, affiliated with the same group of people who made the arrivals... Though I'm nowhere as near important as Bro Bushwackk is.

If you haven't seen the Sololmons Temple series then let me get for you, the first part.

This is just the intro/ part one (it's very short):


And here is part two (it really starts from here):


I seriously recommend subscribing to his channel.

During the stay of the Prophet(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) in Madinah a Jew cast a magic spell over him.The main reason for this was hasad(envy).

The incident narrated in Musnadi Ahmad is that a Jew performed magic over the Prophet(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) through the effect of which he became ill. Jibraeel(Alaiyhis salaam) came and informed the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam that a Jew has performed magic over him on a certain object which is in such and such well. The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam sent men to the said well. They brought the object (upon which) magic was spelled from the well with knots in it. The Prophet(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) recited the Surahs (Falaq and Naas) and opened the knots and immediately he recovered fully and was up on his feet. (Although the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam knew from Jibraeel(A.S.) the name of the Jew, but because the habit of personal vengeance never existed in his life) he never said a word to him nor were any signs of complaint (or displeasure) seen on his auspicious face while he (the Jew) was present. (The Jew being a hypocrite was regular in attending the gatherings of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam).

In the narration of Bukhari from Aaishah(radhiyallahu anha) it is stated;
Magic was worked on Allah's Messenger(sallallahu alayhi wasallam). (The effect was such that) he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. (One of the narrators,Sufyaan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect.)

Then one day he said, "O Aaishah! Do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me (in my dream) and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other. 'What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied, 'He is under the effect of magic.' The first one asked, 'Who has worked magic on him?' The other replied, 'Labeed Ibne Aasim, a man from Bani Zurayq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.' The first one asked, 'What material (did he use)?' The other replied, 'A comb and the hair stuck to it.' The first one asked, 'Where (is that)?' The other replied, 'In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of
Zarwaan."

So the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam sent some companions to that well and took out those things and said "That was the well which was shown to me (in the dream). Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of devils."

(notice the devil horns sign on the church of satan's founder's hand, and the hebrew letters in the pentagram behind him)

The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam added, "Then that thing was taken out." I said (to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam), "Why do you not let the people know about it?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people." (i.e. if the Jew was exposed, people would have harmed him or even killed him).

According to a narration in Musnadi Ahmad, this illness of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam lasted for six months. In some narrations it is also stated that those Companions who came to know the fact that this was the work of Labeed Ibne Aasim, asked the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam,"Why don't we kill this wretched one?" The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam gave the same reply as the one to Aaishah radhiyallahu anha.

According to a narration of Imaam Tha'alabi, a Jewish boy served and attended to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. The hypocrite Jew allured him and he brought a few teeth from Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam 's comb and hair stuck to it. The Jew made eleven knots on a thread and tied a needle in each knot.He then enclosed it in a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree and buried it under a stone in a well.

Allah revealed these two chapters(Surah Falaq and Surah Naas) consisting of eleven verses. When the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam recited a verse of these two surahs a knot opened and thus upon recitation of the total eleven verses all the knots opened, and suddenly a burden-like heavy load was removed from the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. (All the narrations are quoted from Ibne Katheer). -

Commentary
The chapter Surah Falaq and the following chapter Surah Naas, both were revealed at the same time upon the same incident. Haafiz Ibne Qayyim has written the commentary of these two chapters together as a unit. In it he writes,"The benefits and blessings of these two chapters and the people's need towards them is such that no human can become independent of them. These chapters have great effect in removing (the effects of) magic, witchcraft, evil eye and all spiritual and physical calamities. And if we understand the reality, then the human is in more need of it than his breathing, food,clothing and everything else.

and anyone who may think all this is just hot air would be advised to look into Isaac Newton's occult studies,
this is the man who was into science and astrology, who made known to the world some of the laws of motion etc,
surely not someone who wasted time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

In addition to scripture, Newton also relied upon various ancient and contemporary sources while studying the temple of Solomon.
He believed that many ancient sources were endowed with sacred wisdom and that the proportions of many of their temples were in themselves sacred. This belief would lead Newton to examine many architectural works of Hellenistic Greece, as well as Roman sources such as Vitruvius, in a search for their occult knowledge. This concept, often termed "prisca sapientia" (sacred wisdom), was a common belief of many scholars during Newton's lifetime.


6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-
7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits,
8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,
9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,
10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.
Quran 37:6-10

these people are seriously into this stuff and includes presidents, prime ministers, kings, princes etc:

The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean

Translation & Interpretation by Doreal

A LITERAL TRANSLATION AND INTERPRETATION OF ONE OF THE MOST ANCIENT AND SECRET OF THE GREAT WORKS OF THE ANCIENT WISDOM

“Now shall I speak to thee knowledge ancient beyond the thought of thy race.
Know ye that we of the Great Race had and have knowledge that is more than man’s.
Wisdom we gained from the star-born races, wisdom and knowledge far beyond man’s.
Down to us had descended the masters of wisdom as far beyond us as I am from thee.
List ye now while I give ye wisdom. Use it and free thou shalt be.

Know ye that in the pyramid I builded are the Keys that shall show ye the Way into life.
Aye, draw ye a line from the great image I builded, to the apex of the pyramid, built as a gateway.
Draw ye another opposite in the same angle and direction.
Dig ye and find that which I have hidden.
There shall ye find the underground entrance to the secrets hidden before ye were men.”


the jinn (iblis etc) were created long before man (adam).


.....And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them.
And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter.
And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if only they knew!
If they had kept their Faith and guarded themselves from evil, far better had been the reward from their Lord,
if they but knew!
Quran 2:102-103

I like your analytical avenue of thought here Abz2000.

With regard to astrology, most people think that it is simply to do with personal fortune or misfortune, it's not as simple as that though. Let me explain: On WUP-FORUM, there was a thread named Elenin (about the comet etc) and members were trying to predict when it would get to earth, and more importantly - what effect it will have on it, and relayed this with "The Blast" we have been told about in scripture. Something didn't feel right in that thread... I mean, here were people who were trying to predict the fate of all of humanity, and attributing it all to cosmic influence. Anyway, in my study of the matter - What I discovered was that anyone who attributed causation to astronomy, becomes an astrologer - and whoever becomes an astrologer, is gulty of Astrological Causation... and Astrological Causation - is shirk.

I tried to warn the members there of their folly, but many are young testosterone fuelled youngsters as well as sisters who have an affinity with the stars - and they didn't "want" to understand... So I made this video instead for them:


The title of this thread is "Can Iblis Overpower Us?" ... when people engage in shirk, does he need to even try? All he and his minions have to do is whisper to our nafs and if our nafs is corrupt, it will do all the evil suggested to it. Alhamdulillah, the video made the heaviest contributers in the Elenin thread do a U-Turn in their desire to attribute end time scenarios to astrological causation.

Wahuwa Ala Kulli Shay'in Kadeer (and HE has power over all things).

you are correct brother, however they do unlawfully get a tid-bit which only Allah allows them to snatch, and whisper it into their worshippers with a bunch of lies, then get them to do their work for them in leading mankind astray - and anyone who falls into this has indeed become a mushrik.
but to believe that evil exists and to not fall into it is not shirk.
if you see the positions of the stars as a clock by which things may possibly be measured - then it may make sense that those satans who snatch away information from the angels by eavesdropping use the position of the stars and planets etc as reference points and pass it on to those who fall into the worship of evil. (research pyramid constellations) and geometry of masons. - and see the blue hadith below.
also notice how many in influential positions throughout history have used and worshipped names of objects in the cosmos.
saturday, sunday, orion pictures.

i found this on a masonic site, i carefully learn how their minds work through finding what they work on - just like google does to us - see my new world order page for more info:
http://abz2000.com/newworldorder.aspx

ASTROLOGY
A whence demanding the respect of the scholar, notwithstanding its designation as a black art, and, in a reflective sense, an occult science; a system of divination foretelling results by the relative positions of the planets and other heavenly bodies toward the earth. Men of eminence have adhered to the doctrines of astrology as a science. It is a study well considered in, and forming an important part of, the ceremonies of the Philosophus, or fourth grade of the First Order of the Society of Rosicrucians. Astrology has been deemed the twin science of astronomy, grasping knowledge from the heavenly bodies, and granting a proper understanding of many of the startling forces in nature. It is claimed that the constellations of the zodiac govern the earthly animals, and that every star has its peculiar nature, property, and function, the seal and character of which it impresses through its rays upon plants, minerals, and animal life. This science was known to the ancients as the divine art (see Magic).
End.

it is Allah who governs these things, and i believe that the constellations don't govern anything, but their locations - like a clock are milestones known to Allah, and some of this news is given to angels.
(an example can be the night of decree, the day of eid, the months, the years, the rising of the sun from the west)
we say "such and such is coming at 5 o'clock - God Willing", we don't know for sure - and are attributing the knowledge to God - but we sure as hell are not saying that the clock will make the person come.
i'm sure you'd agree that this is not shirk, however going to the jinns and devil worshippers for this guidance is not just shirk but can be kufr.

102. They followed what the Satans gave out against the kingdom of Solomon: but Solomon did not disbelieve, but the satans disbelieved, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not disbelieve."
Quran 2:102


it must be emphasised that only Allah knows the unseen and any other information on it is what He has allowed to be known,
and anyone other than a Prophet who relates it should not be trusted as 100% accurate, we should not put our trust in their predictions.
and we should not seek their guidance as they require misguidance as a pledge before they even give snippets of "guidance" Allah may have allowed them to steal.

they plot and plan,
and Allah too plans,
and Allah is the best of planners.

303. Chapter: The prohibition against going to soothsayers, astrologers, diviners and looking for omens

1668. 'A'isha said, "Some people asked the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, about soothsayers, and he said, 'They have nothing.' They said, 'O Messenger of Allah, they tell us something about those of us who are alive and then it sometimes comes true.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'That is a word of truth which a jinn got hold of and then cast into the ear of his helper, but they mix a hundred lies with it.'"
[Agreed upon]

In a variant of al-Bukhari, 'A'isha heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say,
"The angels descend into the clouds mentioning something which has been decreed in heaven.
Then Shaytan eavesdrops and hears it and then reveals it to the soothsayers. Along with it, they tell a hundred lies from themselves."

1669. Safiyya bint Abi 'Ubayd reported from one of the wives of the Prophet, from that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "If anyone goes to a diviner and asks about something and believes it, his prayer will not be accepted for forty days." [Muslim]

1670. Qabisa ibn al-Mukhariq said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'Divining, augury and taking omens from the flight of birds are part of idolatry.'" [Abu Dawud]

1671. Ibn 'Abbas said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,
'Anyone who takes knowledge from the stars, takes a branch of sorcery
and his sorcery increases according to the amount of knowledge he gains.'" [Abu Dawud]

The three degrees of Craft or Blue Lodge Freemasonry are those of:

1. Entered Apprentice – the degree of an Initiate, which makes one a Freemason;
2. Fellow Craft – an intermediate degree, involved with learning; and
3. Master Mason – the "third degree", a necessity for participation in most aspects of Masonry.

The degrees represent stages of personal development. No Freemason is told that there is only one meaning to the allegories; as a Freemason works through the degrees and studies their lessons, he interprets them for himself, his personal interpretation being bounded only by the Constitution within which he works.

No offence to those who posted freemason illumaniti stuff but i wasnt looking for them but jazaks for the lniks tho

my question was can iblis harm us lik we kno jins can but can "IBLIS" lik go in our bodys or fight us physically? maybe its not worthwhile going into this or maybe i should ask a scholar shekih or imam or sumthn

Iblis has no reason to go into your body... why would he waste his time with you when his army is comprised of Men and Jinn?

The men are the Sahirs (evil magicians) who do black magic by calling Jinns to go harm someone - they way these Jinn harm people are many. only one form is by possession.

The Jinn, sometimes attack humans out of vengeance - other times they are attracted to humans. Both scenarios lead to the human in question being worse off.

Satan/Iblis; His role is to oversee his minions. And satan only directly attacks a human when that human is able to stand up to all other Jinn... even then, more often than not, satan will leave you alone. His role nowadays os one of ruling over the Jinn and the freemasons. The freemasons - at the highest level commit satanic rituals and worship satan.

The reason why I posted these videos is to give you and anyone else here, an opportunity into finding out the "why" and the "how" of all this demonic/magic etc takes place here, in modern times - beleive it or not, but these masons are the ones who know magic. At the highest levels, they are the ones doing it.