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Ramadhan
12-14-2011, 03:32 AM
Interesting News from Particle/Theoretical Physics, coming from latest examinations of results of LHC by CERN:
http://news.yahoo.com/long-sought-go...140202981.html

Physicists are closer than ever to hunting down the elusive Higgs boson particle, the missing piece of the governing theory of the universe's tiniest building blocks.
Scientists at the world's largest particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Geneva, Switzerland, announced today (Dec. 13) that they'd narrowed down the list of possible hiding spots for the Higgs, (also called the God particle) and even see some indications that they're hot on its trail.
"I think we are getting very close," said Vivek Sharma, a physicist at the University of California, San Diego, and the leader of the Higgs search at LHC's CMS experiment. "We may be getting the first tantalizing hints, but it's a whiff, it's a smell, it's not quite the whole thing."
Today's announcement was highly anticipated by both the physics community and the public, with speculation running rampant in the days leading up to it that the elusive particle may have finally been found. Though the news is not the final answer some were hoping for, the progress is a significant, exciting step, physicists say. [Top 5 Implications of Finding the Higgs Boson]
"It's something really extraordinary and I think we can be all proud of this," said CERN physicist Fabiola Gianotti, spokesperson for the LHC's ATLAS experiment, during a public seminar announcing the results today.
Experts outside the LHC collaborations agreed.
"These are really tough experiments, and it's just really impressive what they're doing," Harvard University theoretical physicist Lisa Randall told LiveScience.
Origin of mass
The Higgs boson is thought to be tied to a field (the Higgs field) that is responsible for giving all other particles their mass. Ironically, physicists don't have a specific prediction for the mass of the Higgs boson itself, so they must search a wide range of possible masses for signs of the particle.
Based on data collected at LHC's CMS and ATLAS experiments, researchers said they are now able to narrow down the Higgs' mass to a small range, and exclude a wide swath of possibilities.
"With the data from this year we've ruled out a lot of masses, and now we're just left with this tiny window, in this region that is probably the most interesting," said Jonas Strandberg, a researcher at CERN working on the ATLAS experiment.
The researchers have now cornered the Higgs mass in the range between 114.4 and 131 gigaelectronvolts (GeV).For comparison, a proton weighs 1 GeV. Outside that range, the scientists are more than 95 percent confident that the Higgs cannot exist.
Within that range, the ATLAS findings show some indications of a possible signal from the Higgs boson at 126 GeV, though the data are not strong enough for scientists to claim a finding with the level of confidence they require for a true discovery.
"Based on the predicted size of the signal, the experiments may have their first glimpse of a positive signal," University of Chicago physicist Jim Pilcher wrote in an email to LiveScience. "It is especially important to compare the results of two independent experiments to help reduce statistical fluctuations and experimental biases."
But it shouldn't be much longer before scientists can be sure if the Higgs exists, and if so, how much mass it has.
"We know we must be getting close," Strandberg told LiveScience. "All we need is a little bit more data. I think the data we take in 2012 should be able to really give a definitive answer if the Higgs boson exists."
Underground explosions
The Large Hadron Collider is a 17-mile (27-kilometer) loop buried underneath France and Switzerland, run by CERN, based in Geneva.
Inside this loop, protons traveling near the speed of light collide head-on, and release huge amounts of energy in powerful explosions.
This energy then coalesces into new particles, some of which are exotic, hard-to-find species like the Higgs. The Higgs quickly decays into other particle products, which are then sensed by the detectors inside ATLAS and CMS. [6 Exotic Particles Explained]
The new results are based on data accumulated over 500 trillion proton-proton collisions inside the LHC.
Big payoff
The Higgs boson and its related Higgs field were predicted in 1964 by physicist Peter Higgs and his colleagues. Though the Higgs mechanism is the best explanation for why particles have mass, it can't be trusted until its major prediction — the Higgs boson — is found. [Infographic: The Higgs Boson]
"It would be a major discovery, absolutely," said Randall, who is the author of a recent book covering the Higgs and other particle mysteries called "Knocking on Heaven's Door: How Physics and Scientific Thinking Illuminate the Universe and the Modern World" (Ecco, 2011). "We've known about the Higgs mechanism for years, but we don't know if it's right."
The discovery of the Higgs would offer final credence to the idea and its originators.
"If it is found there are several people who are going to get a Nobel prize," said Vivek Sharma, a physicist at the University of California, San Diego, and the leader of the Higgs search at LHC's CMS experiment.
You can follow LiveScience senior writer Clara Moskowitz on Twitter @ClaraMoskowitz. Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.

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Scimitar
01-02-2012, 06:21 AM
Sheesh. They've come quite some way from creating anti-hydrogen in the anti-matter projects from last decade. Corrnering the GP, *whistles* I'd like to see what they "narrow" it down to.

Nice find bro.
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Eric H
01-02-2012, 05:01 PM
Greetings and peace be with you Ramadhan;
Physicists are closer than ever to hunting down the elusive Higgs boson particle, the missing piece of the governing theory of the universe's tiniest building blocks.

(also called the God particle)
But will scientists find God with their wonderful machine?

Blessings

Eric
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Ramadhan
01-02-2012, 07:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
But will scientists find God with their wonderful machine?
An answer from a muslim would be an absolute No, because God is not and never a created, be it particles, universe, or man.
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Eric H
01-02-2012, 07:43 PM
Greetings and peace be with you Ramadhan;

An answer from a muslim would be an absolute No, because God is not and never a created, be it particles, universe, or man.
I agree with you totally that God is not created, rather he is the creator of all that is seen and unseen. But God created the universe somehow, so when scientists are searching for a first cause, are they going to find God?

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric
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Scimitar
01-02-2012, 11:19 PM
scientists looking for the Higgs boson are a bit like blind men trying to describe colour... it's a bit out if their depth. I just find it interesting that they think even if they do manage to find it - that it somehow makes a difference in their understanding. All it will do is point them back to hypothesis that they shoulda maybe explored first anyways.
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Tyrion
07-06-2012, 02:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
scientists looking for the Higgs boson are a bit like blind men trying to describe colour... it's a bit out if their depth.
Apparently not. :p:
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Eric H
07-06-2012, 04:31 AM
Greetings and peace be with you Ramadhan;

The Large Hadron Collider is a 17-mile (27-kilometer) loop buried underneath France and Switzerland, run by CERN, based in Geneva.
Inside this loop, protons traveling near the speed of light collide head-on, and release huge amounts of energy in powerful explosions.
God has no beginning, so if you were to search for a true ‘God Particle’ then this particle should also have no beginning. The Hadron Collider uses existing protons traveling near the speed of light, if some existing forces or protons created the ‘God Particle’ then what created these protons originally?

Scientists appear to be spending $billions searching for a second cause and not a first cause, only my thoughts.

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric
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dqsunday
07-06-2012, 06:58 AM
The name for this particles is named by people who really do not understand who or what God is. ITs just a fancy name tagged to it. They could easily just have called it the Higgs particle. God has created all things, seen and unseen, including things smaller than atoms.

The articles are just fine samples of the wonders of God's creations. Afterall smash apart objects enough and you will continue to get smaller and smaller pieces... God is not a piece of anything he's created, afterall.
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Al-Mufarridun
07-06-2012, 10:46 AM
:sl:


What is fascinating to me is the unique thing about the Children of Adam, who have been endowed with the faculty of understanding and the response-ability of choice, is that a singular event witnessed by the same individuals - can lead them to totally different conclusions.

For example, One morning, a farmer will go out to milk his cow, reflect, and conclude that this 'cow' is feeding him and his family, so they should be grateful(worship) to it.

Another farmer will go out to milk his cow on that same morning, he will also reflect, and after some reflections conclude that the grass his cow is eating are what allows his cow to produce milk, so he will be grateful(worship) to the grass(earth).

Yet another farmer will go through the same routine, but will conclude that it is actually the sun that helps the grass grow, so the sun should be given more gratitude.

So the children of Adam, like all other created beings, can't escape their purpose of creation whether they like it or not.
Our Purpose is to worship, to acknowledge and to be grateful.

Evolutionary Scientists are really no different from those farmers, the 'creation' they choose to worship is Nature, from the subatomic to the cosmic.

We believe that the Creator alone is worthy of Worship, acknowledgement and gratitude.

Whether they find this particle or not, if they do you'll see them glowing, mesmerized and amazed by the power of their 'deity'; nature.

And We will Insha'Allah say; SubhanAllah

May Allah swt guide us all and increase us in Guidance. Ameen ya Rabb!!




That is Allah , your Lord; there is no deity except Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Disposer of all things.
Qur'an 6:102
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