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yasir12
12-30-2011, 05:48 PM
Assalmalakum dear brothers and sisters.

I am wanting to clarify what people read during naamaz, for Fradh naamaz I read surt Fatiah and then a surat from the quran such as Surat Nas/Surat Falaq etc. Is this what other people do to? I have heard that the surahs that you read from the Quran should start in chronological order such as if reading Surah Falaq in the first rukoo then you should read something from the quran that is based after surah falaq? like Surah Nas comes after Surah Falaq in the quran hence this can be read in the second rukoo.

Also When reading Sunat naamaz such as 4 Sunnat in Zohar naamaz what do you guys read? Should you read Surah Falaq, Surah Ikhlas and then another surat from the quran?? And again does it have to be surat from the quran in chronological order.

I feel that these basic things should be taught in the mosques but arent. If you guys could tell me that would be great, also is there a website expalingint this?

Your help would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
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syed1
12-30-2011, 10:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by yasir12
I have heard that the surahs that you read from the Quran should start in chronological order such as if reading Surah Falaq in the first rukoo then you should read something from the quran that is based after surah falaq? like
when you are praying fard namaz:

the first 2 rakats of any fard will have surah fatiah followed by another surah.

If it is a 4 rakart fard then the last 2 rakat you do not have to follow a surah after surah fatia, (simply say Allah hu akbar and proceed to the next step)

for sunnat :

in each rakat, whether 2 or 4 you must recite a surah after each rakat so in a sunnut namaz you are reading total of 4 surah's if it is a 4 rakat sunnat.

in terms of reading in chronological order, you are correct. You should try to read so that if you have read surah iklas in the first rakat then read a surah that comes after such as falaq or nas in the following rakats...

hope that helps
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serena77
12-31-2011, 12:34 AM
i feel really stupid but could someone spell this out a little better... i hate to be so confused or ask such a stupid question..
my apologies but many thanks to anyone who takes the time to do so.
Serena
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syed1
12-31-2011, 01:11 AM
I'm embarrassed :( I tried

what are you confused with sister
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Ramadhan
12-31-2011, 01:40 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by syed1
in terms of reading in chronological order, you are correct. You should try to read so that if you have read surah iklas in the first rakat then read a surah that comes after such as falaq or nas in the following rakats...
I haven't heard about this before.
Even in Masjidil Haraam in Makkah or in Masjid Nabawwi in Madinah, the imams often do not recite surah in chronological order during shalah fard.

Can you please provide the daleel for it?
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syed1
12-31-2011, 02:02 AM
hi, you know i havent looked into it but my grandfather told me this so i just took his word
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serena77
12-31-2011, 02:22 AM
i hate to say in a sense... all of it. is naamaz another word for salat .. and what about the chronological order... told you i was really feeling stupid. i would say its just due to a heavy dose of medications today... but i think i'd still be confused...
please don't be embarrased... it wasn't how you said it... i'm just... still learning ( a lot)
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syed1
12-31-2011, 05:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by serena77
naamaz another word for salat .. and what about the chronological order...
Salat= Namaz = prayer so yes you are right it is just another word.

In terms of the chronological order, I guess I do not have any hadith or evidence to support that it should recited in such order but nonetheless, logically it sort of makes sense to go in sequence instead of jumping back and forth (in my opinion).

some other notes:

Fard salat = obligatory, mandatory

Sunnat salat= optional (there are 2 types of sunnat) which I would rather not elaborate on. Nonetheless you should perform them if you have the time.
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serena77
12-31-2011, 07:27 PM
jakazallah khair for the clarification and additional information, its much appreciated.
i can't remember if the prayer book i use ... uses the chronological order, I believe it does, but until you said that... I never paid attention to it. i know the last sura it uses is an nas so i guess any would come before it :)
serena
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questions123
01-02-2012, 01:26 AM
I was unsure whether we have to read Surah's in chronological order, so I just do, incase. Its not hard to do =).
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~ Sabr ~
01-10-2012, 08:56 AM
:salamext:

From what I have learnt, anything from the Qur'aan can be read after surah Fatiha, providing it has at least 3 verses.

And Allah knows best.
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Ramadhan
01-11-2012, 11:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by questions123
I was unsure whether we have to read Surah's in chronological order, so I just do, incase. Its not hard to do =).
Please bring any daleel that we have to read the surahs in shalah in the "chronological" order.

And it's not hard to do for some people if we have to, but it's very hard to do for many others.

Do not innovate and make haram on something which is made halal by Allah (swt) and Rasulullah (saw)
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serena77
01-11-2012, 11:29 PM
I WISH i knew enough of the koran to be able to do that easily. I'm sure it will come w/ time and practice but right now that seems really daunting to me...

i know AN Nas is the last sura i use and w/ good reason... its the last one... but i don't remember which is used before in the book i have
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Hamza Asadullah
01-17-2012, 02:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramadhan

Please bring any daleel that we have to read the surahs in shalah in the "chronological" order.

And it's not hard to do for some people if we have to, but it's very hard to do for many others.

Do not innovate and make haram on something which is made halal by Allah (swt) and Rasulullah (saw)
:sl:

According to the Hanafi School, reciting the Surahs in the order that they are in the Qur’an is necessary (wajib) inside the Fardh and Wajib prayers such as the five daily obligatory prayers, the Jumu’ah prayer, the Witr prayer and the Eid prayer. As such, reciting the Surahs in a reversed order deliberately is considered to be prohibitively disliked (makruh tahriman) in these prayers, although it is not disliked in voluntary (nafl) prayers.



Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states in his al-Durr al-Mukhtar whilst discussing the disliked acts of prayer:



“…And that one recites the Surahs in a reversed order unless when one completes the Qur’an, in which case one will recite from Surah al-Baqarah. It is stated in al-Qunya (m: name of a book) that if one recited Surah al-Kafirun in the first Rak’at and Surah Alam tra (al-Fil) in the second Rak’at… thereafter one remembered, then one should complete the Surah one is reciting (i.e. Surah al-Fil). And it is said that one should stop what one is reciting and start again. And none of this is disliked in the voluntary (nafl) prayer.”



Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) explains the above by stating:



“(al-Haskafi’s statement: “And that one recites the Surahs in a reversed order”) such as reciting in the second Rak’at a Surah that is antecedent to the one recited in the first Rak’at. This is so because reciting the Surahs in order is from the necessary acts (wajibat) of recitation.” (Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr al-Mukhtar, 1/546-547)



It is stated in Maraqi al-Falah:



“It is disliked (m: prohibitively) to recite a Surah antecedent to the one already recited. Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) said: “Whoever recites the Qur’an in a reversed order will himself be treated that way…” (Maraqi al-Falah, P: 352)



It should be remembered; however, that the condition for reciting the Surahs in a reversed order being prohibitively disliked (makruh tahriman) is that it be done deliberately and intentionally. If one recites the Surahs in a reversed order out of forgetfulness or mistake, it is not considered prohibitively disliked.



Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states:



“Reciting the Surahs in a reversed order (tankees)… is only disliked when it is done deliberately. If, however, it is done out of forgetfulness, then it is not disliked, as mentioned in Sharh al-Munya.” (Radd al-Muhtar, 1/547)



As for repeating the prayer or performing the prostration of forgetfulness (sujud al-sahw), indeed the general principle (qa’idah) is that “Any prayer offered with an element of prohibitive dislike attached to it, it is necessary to repeat it” (kullu salatin uddiyat ma’a karahat at-tahrim, tajib i’adatuha) but, as explained by Imam Ibn Abidin, this is when a prohibitively disliked element comes into the prayer by leaving out a Wajib that is of the prayer itself, and not a Wajib that is of something else. It is for this very reason that if one offers one’s prayer individually without joining in with the congregation (jama’ah), it is not necessary to repeat the prayer, even though offering the prayer in congregation (without having an excuse) is a Wajib, but this Wajib is not of the prayer itself.



Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states after discussing the above:



“This is supported by the fact that they (the fuqaha) have said reciting the Qur’anic Surahs in order is Wajib. However if one recites them in a reversed order, one is sinful, but offering a prostration of forgetfulness (sujud as-sahw) is not necessary because observing the order of the Surahs is of the necessary elements (wajibat) of reciting the Qur’an (qira’at) and not of the prayer itself, as mentioned in al-Bahr (of Ibn Nujaym) in the chapter of making mistakes.” (Radd al-Muhtar, 1/457)



As such, the prostration of forgetfulness and/or repeating the prayer is not necessary due to the fact that the necessity (wujub) of reciting the Surahs in order is of the necessary elements (wajibat) of reciting the Qur’an (qira’at) and not of the prayer itself.



Having said this, although the prostration of forgetfulness (sujud as-sahw) is never necessary, it may be better to repeat the prayer (if possible) in the case of reciting the Surahs in a reversed order deliberately. This is so because certain contemporary Fuqaha in their Fatawa works have stated that the prayer should be repeated. Imam Ibn Abidin himself has declared that repeating the prayer (i’adah) is necessary in situations such as performing the prayer in cloths containing pictures and praying whilst there is a suppressing need to urinate or defecate, both of which are prohibitively disliked and do not require the prostration of forgetfulness. (See: Fatawa Darul Uloom 2/224 & Radd al-Muhtar 1/457)



Finally, if an Imam recites the Surahs in a reversed order, the follower should simply assume that he did it forgetfully or by mistake, because it is one’s duty to interpret the actions of others in the best light, as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) has commanded us in many hadiths.



In conclusion, we learn the following points:



1) It is necessary in Fardh and Wajib prayers to recite the various Surahs of the Qur’an in order and prohibitively disliked to recite them in a reversed order deliberately.



2) It is not disliked to recite the Surahs in a reversed order unintentionally and forgetfully.



3) There is no prostration of forgetfulness whether this is done deliberately or unintentionally.



4) It is also not necessary to repeat the prayer, though better to do so if this is done deliberately.



5) If an Imam was to do this in prayer, one should assume that it was done unintentionally.



And Allah knows best


Source: http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/...during-prayer/
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Hamza Asadullah
01-17-2012, 03:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by yasir12
Assalmalakum dear brothers and sisters.

I am wanting to clarify what people read during naamaz, for Fradh naamaz I read surt Fatiah and then a surat from the quran such as Surat Nas/Surat Falaq etc. Is this what other people do to? I have heard that the surahs that you read from the Quran should start in chronological order such as if reading Surah Falaq in the first rukoo then you should read something from the quran that is based after surah falaq? like Surah Nas comes after Surah Falaq in the quran hence this can be read in the second rukoo.

Also When reading Sunat naamaz such as 4 Sunnat in Zohar naamaz what do you guys read? Should you read Surah Falaq, Surah Ikhlas and then another surat from the quran?? And again does it have to be surat from the quran in chronological order.

I feel that these basic things should be taught in the mosques but arent. If you guys could tell me that would be great, also is there a website expalingint this?

Your help would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
:sl:

Yes that is correct according to the Hanafi madhab Surah's are recited in accordance to the order they are in the Qur'an. But this only applies to Fard and waajib prayers and not in Nafil (voluntary) prayers. Surah Ikhlas comes before Surah Falaq. If in doubt just look at the order of the Surah's in the last few pages of the Qur'an it is not difficult to do.

If you need any help with anything at all then please do not hesitate to ask.
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Hamza Asadullah
01-17-2012, 03:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by serena77
I WISH i knew enough of the koran to be able to do that easily. I'm sure it will come w/ time and practice but right now that seems really daunting to me...

i know AN Nas is the last sura i use and w/ good reason... its the last one... but i don't remember which is used before in the book i have
:sl:

You will get there sister. It is much easier if you had a teacher like another new Muslim sister etc to help you learn the Qur'an, salaah etc. If you do need any help or have any questions then please do not hesitate to ask.
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Al-bint
03-25-2012, 07:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by syed1
If it is a 4 rakart fard then the last 2 rakat you do not have to follow a surah after surah fatia, (simply say Allah hu akbar and proceed to the next step)

for sunnat :

in each rakat, whether 2 or 4 you must recite a surah after each rakat so in a sunnut namaz you are reading total of 4 surah's if it is a 4 rakat sunnat.
Asalaamualaikum!

need evidnce for this. if anyone can provide it i'd be obliged

wasalaam!
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