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'Abd-al Latif
01-10-2012, 11:40 AM
Attractive Hijabs & Shari'ah

Shaikh (Dr) Haitham Al-Haddad

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On the streets of London, Amsterdam and other big cities in Europe we witness various types of un-Islamic hijabs. Tight Jeans (also known as ‘skinny jeans’), long leather high heeled boots and tight shirts with a head scarf are all typical representations of the kind of hijab that is now being promoted by many young and middle aged Muslim women."
Living in the west, the hijab has become a potent indicator of identity with many non-Muslims viewing it as a political statement. However, it is pertinent to note that the hijab is, first and foremost, an act of worship that women engage in, and an act undertaken to seek the pleasure of one’s Lord.The definition of a hijab is fiercely contested by many Muslims, and unfortunately most of those who engage in the topic are unaware that it is very much defined by Islamic law, the Shari’ah, and not cultural habits or one’s idea of what modesty is, or should be.

In discussing the hijab, Islamic jurists have stipulated a number of conditions for it to be a hijab in the Islamic sense. In brief, these conditions are that one’s clothing must cover the entire body in a way that the shape of the body is not apparent and the material must not be so thin that one can see through it. Clothing should not resemble that which is specific to men nor the disbelievers. It should not be attractive to men, nor should women be perfumed in public. The main aim of hijab is to stop fitnah; females who are attractive by nature attract the gaze of males which then leads to other greater sins such as fornication and adultery. Allah commanded women neither to display their adornment nor to display any form of behaviour that might attract the attention of men. Allah says,

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands fathers, their sons, their husbands sons, their brothers or their brothers sons, or their sisters sons, or their women, or the female slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.”[1]

The Shari’ah also prohibits women from speaking softly for essentially the same reason – to prevent fitnah. Allah says,

“O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat, and give Zakat, and obey Allah and His Messenger.”[2]
As the verse states, Allah forbids the wives of the Prophet to incite the desires of weak men, and given that this effective cause (illah) is to do with desire which is found everywhere, then this command should certainly be applied to all other women as well.

In fact, scholars from various schools of thought prohibit women from raising their voices in public, even if it be the utterance of the talbiyah during hajj or the adhan (call to prayer) between females. The Shari’ah also prohibits men to visit lonely women and to stay alone with them. It also prohibited men to look at women. Allah says,

“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.”[3]
On the streets of London, Amsterdam and other big cities in Europe we witness various types of un-Islamic hijabs. Tight Jeans (also known as ‘skinny jeans’), long leather high heeled boots and tight shirts with a head scarf are all typical representations of the kind of hijab that is now being promoted by many young and middle aged Muslim women. Fancy scarves are also a form of covering that is seen as a ‘Shari’ah compliant hijab’. Indeed, the way many Muslim women adorn the hijab defeats the whole purpose of hijab itself. Furthermore, western women are very fond of attracting the interest and attention of men. It seems that many of our Muslims sisters have been influenced by this and have started to wear clothes to attract the admiration of “brothers” in an enticing way.

One of the main problems is limiting the hijab as being a manifestation of female Muslim identity. When France banned the hijab they looked at it as a religious symbol unable to understand the meaning of ibaadah (worship). However, it is unfortunate to see many Muslims treating it as merely a form of identity, and once the symbolic representation has been accomplished the necessity to perform it in a way that meets its conditions laid down by Allah is overlooked. This is one of subtly reprehensible values that many western Muslims have unknowingly adopted. We have to understand that Islamic practices including observing the hijab are actions of ibaadah. They are meant to please Allah, avoid being disobedient, and earn hasanaat in order to attain a high rank in paradise. Allah says,

And (remember) when it was said to them: "Dwell in this town (Jerusalem) and eat therefrom wherever you wish, and say, (O Allah) forgive our sins; and enter the gate prostrate (bowing with humility). We shall forgive you your wrong-doings. We shall increase (the reward) for the good-doers."[4]
In misunderstanding the fundamental aim of entering paradise, we lose in this life and the hereafter as any other aim is considered by Shari’ah as a worldly one. The reward of worldly aims is given in this life and no reward will be given after death. Allah says,

Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.[5]

This is a major mistake that many Muslims fall into when undertaking many Islamic practices. Having the correct aim in wearing the hijab is the first and main step towards a solution for this problem. It should be noted that projecting concerns about this non-shar’ii form of hijab does not imply discouraging Muslim women from observing a limited form of hijab which they have chosen, but instead it serves to encourage Muslim women to progress to observe the correct method of hijab. The intention of this article is driven by the desire for improvement and progress and not to incite women to withdraw from the hijab completely.

Some Muslims posit that we should not be strict in calling for the proper observance of many Islamic practices in the west, and as such, we should encourage Muslim women to do as much as they are, without criticism, even if some do not complete such observance. Undoubtedly we agree to encouraging Muslim women to do as much as they can, but correcting wrong or incomplete Islamic practices is an obligation upon those who know.

It is indeed the case that many sisters are completely ignorant about the conditions of the legally valid hijab, and hence it is incumbent upon us to raise awareness of the legal conditions and features of a correct hijab. Knowledge is the cure for many of our mistakes. Advising sisters who undoubtedly wear the hijab out of good intentions as well as educating their parents is another way towards solving this issue. It might be a good idea to print and distribute some leaflets that describe the authentic hijab in a way that goes beyond merely a head covering.


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[1] 24:31

[2] 33:32-33

[3] 24:30

[4] 7:161

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Ramadhan
01-10-2012, 11:49 AM
I re-read it again, but the opinion of the shyakh above does not say anything about the color(s) of the hijab, the syaikh merely states that hijab should not be attractive to men.
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'Abd-al Latif
01-10-2012, 11:51 AM
And the title says the same. Different coloured hijabs are not prohibited (as far as I know) because 'Aisha (r) the wife of the Prophet (:saws1:) used to wear different colours. But it's when hijabs become glittery and attractive is it when it becomes a problem.
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Marina-Aisha
01-10-2012, 11:52 AM
Yea sometimes I see girls in London wearing tight jeans and make up sometimes wonder if that was right as I have been reading lot bout the hijaab.
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~ Sabr ~
01-10-2012, 11:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
Different coloured hijabs are not prohibited (as far as I know) because 'Aisha' (r) the wife of the Prophet (:saws1:) used to wear different colours. But it's when hijabs become glittery and attractive is it when it becomes a problem.
Subhan'Allah. Agreed. Jazak'Allah Khayr.
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'Abd-al Latif
01-10-2012, 11:58 AM
On a related note, I believe the article below will bring the point home.


Does women’s hijab have to be black?

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Is it haraam for a woman to wear coloured clothes even if it fulfils the conditions of hijab? If it is haraam, then is there a hadeeth or verse to prove that? What is meant by saying it should not be an adornment in itself?.

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Praise be to Allaah.

The conditions of the hijab of the Muslim woman have already been explained in the answer to question no. 6991.

It is not one of these conditions that it should be black. A woman may wear whatever she wants, so long as she does not wear a colour that is only for men , and she does not wear a garment that is an adornment in itself, i.e., decorated and adorned in such a way that it attracts the gaze of men, because of the general meaning of the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“…and not to show off their adornment…”

[al-Noor 24:31]

This general meaning includes the outer garment, if it is decorated. Abu Dawood (565) narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not prevent the female slaves of Allaah from attending the mosques of Allaah, but let them go out unadorned.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 515.

It says in ‘Awn al-Ma’bood:

“ ‘Unadorned’ means not wearing perfume… they are commanded to go out like this and are forbidden to wear perfume lest they provoke men’s desires with their perfume. That also includes other things which are forbidden because they provoke desire, such as beautiful clothing and visible and expensive adornment.”

What a woman must do if she appears before non-mahram men is to avoid clothes that are decorated and adorned, which attract the gaze of men.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (17/100):

It is not permissible for a woman to go out in a decorated garment that attracts people’s gaze, because this is something that tempts men.

It also says (17/108):

The dress of the Muslim woman need not only be black. It is permissible for her to wear any colour of clothing so long as it covers her ‘awrah, does not resemble men’s clothing, and is not so tight as to show the shape of her limbs or so thin as to show what is beneath it, and does not provoke temptation.

And it says (17/109):

Wearing black for women is not a must. They may wear other colours that are worn only by women, do not attract attention and do not provoke desire.

Many women choose to wear black, not because it is obligatory, but because it is farthest removed from being an adornment. There are reports which indicate that the women of the Sahaabah used to wear black. Abu Dawood (4101) narrated that Umm Salamah said: “When the words ‘and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)’ [al-Noor 24:31 – interpretation of the meaning] were revealed, the women of the Ansaar went out looking as if there were crows on their heads because of their garments.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

The Standing Committee (17/110) said: This is to be understood as meaning that those clothes were black in colour.

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/39570/colourful hijab
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Marina-Aisha
01-10-2012, 03:09 PM
i wondering r these hijaab pins acceptable?i really love them but i dont want to wear something thats not right.
http://www.facebook.com/CoutureHijabPins
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Salahudeen
01-10-2012, 11:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
Yea sometimes I see girls in London wearing tight jeans and make up sometimes wonder if that was right as I have been reading lot bout the hijaab.

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Men say about such girls that she must be having a bad hair day or her hair isn't nice that's why she's covering it and flashing everything else.
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~Zaria~
01-17-2012, 09:27 PM
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O Sisters in Islam!

"Wrap that noble cloth of obedience around your head and body, before the cloth of death is wrapped around you in your grave;
Obedience to Allah(swt) is far more rewardable than the obedience of your own soul.


To cover is part and parcel of being a Muslim women.
And a Muslim is one who submits and surrenders to the commands of their Lord, Glorified and Exalted is He."

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Who Am I?
01-18-2012, 03:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Salahudeen
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Men say about such girls that she must be having a bad hair day or her hair isn't nice that's why she's covering it and flashing everything else.

Good one, brother.
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Hamza Asadullah
01-19-2012, 11:50 AM
I think this article is very relavent to the thread and the current situation in our societies where the hijaabi barbies are taking over:

Hijab is not a piece of cloth on your head. It's a way of life!

by Asma Bint Shameem.



Just because some of the sisters have their head covered, they think that the requirement of Hijaab is fulfilled. They don’t realize that wearing a Hijaab requires much more than just covering your head.

Actually, if you think about it, Hijaab is the way you talk…..the way you walk….the very way you carry yourself. In fact, Hijaab is an attitude in itself. Its a whole way of life.

Allaah says:

“And say to the believing women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty (zeenah) except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you believers, in order that you are successful.” (Surat-un-Nur: 31).

Here are some of the more common issues in light of this verse about the Hijaab.

Well, my head is covered. What more do you want?

If you look carefully at the ayah, it clearly states that the head covers (khumur) should be drawn over the neck slits (juyoob). Khumur is the plural of the Arabic word "khimar" which means a headcover. Juyoob is the plural of the Arabic word "jaiyb" ,which refers to the neck slit (of the dress).

Yet, some sisters just cover their head with something, and think they are fulfilling the rights of Hijaab, although part of their hair or body is showing, or their whole neck and chest area are exposed. Actually, that was the way of the women of Jahilliyah.

Al-Qurtubi said: "Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."

So secure the scarf well around your face, covering your neck/chest area, and keep those half sleeves and capri pants for your Mahrams

Sorry.…tight jeans and short shirt just don’t cut it

You can’t wear tight jeans and a short shirt with a piece of cloth on your head and think this is Hijaab. Nor can you wear anything else that is tight, describing the shape of the body in any way, even if it is long. The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said:

"In later (generations) of my ummah there will be women who will be dressed but naked. On top of their heads (what looks) like camel humps. They will not enter into paradise or (even) get a smell of it." (Muslim)

If it is see-through, its NOT Hijaab

You CANNOT use chiffon or other see through material to cover your hair and body. Everything should be covered and the color of the skin underneath should not be visible.

The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) once received a thick garment as a gift. He gave it to Osamah b. Zayd, who in turn gave it to his wife. When asked by the Prophet why he did not wear it, Osamah indicated that he gave it to his wife. The Prophet then said to Osamah "ask her to use a "gholalah" under it (the garment) for I fear that it (the garment) may describe the size of her bones." (Ahmad, Abi-Dawood)

(The word gholalah in Arabic means a thick fabric worn under the dress to prevent it from describing the shape of the body).

The Hijaab shouldn’t attract attention

The dress should not be such that it attracts men's attention to the woman's beauty. Allaah clearly states “not to display their beauty (zeenah).” Yet, Subhaan Allaah, some Hijaabi sisters are dressed in such a way that they attract more attention to themselves than they would if they didn’t wear Hijaab!! How could such zeenah be concealed if the dress is designed in a way that it attracts men's eyes to the woman? It beats the purpose of Hijaab.

Allaah tells us: “And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance…” [al-Ahzaab:32]

What about make-up and perfume???

Wearing make up is also part of the zeenah that Allaah orders us NOT to display. So if your head and body are appropriately covered yet you are wearing bright red lipstick or dark eyeliner such that people confuse between you and a raccoon….uh sorry, that’s not Hijaab. And keep those nice fragrances for the home, between you and your husband. That’s part of Hijaab too, even if you are going to the Masjid. The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said: “Any woman who puts on perfume and passes by people so that they can smell her fragrance, is an adulteress.” (al-Nasaa’i, Tirmidhi: hasan by Albaani)

Tinkling Jewelry and Jingling bracelets

‘Loud’ and tinkling anything, be it jewelry, bracelets, clip-clopping shoes, little bells on clothes, you name it, if it jingles or makes noise, it is against the principles of Hijaab, because it attracts attention to the one wearing it. That is what is meant when Allaah orders us in the above verse…“not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments.”

No laughing, joking, or hanging out with non-Mahrams

Some sisters assume that since they are properly covered, its okay for them to sit around and talk, laugh, joke, etc. with the men, but that’s not right, even if he is ‘the Shaikh’. Allaah says:". . . then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner." [al-Ahzaab:32]

So talk to them when there is a specific need, and in a manner that is not necessarily rude, yet it is polite but firm.

Staring at the brothers or ‘checking them out’ is NOT Hijaab

Allaah orders us to “lower your gaze” in the above verse. Why? Because a single ‘look’ can say more than a thousand words. So, even if you are properly covered, keep those eyes down, conduct yourself with ‘Hayaa’, and avoid ‘fitnah’

‘Chatting’ on the internet/phone is not part of Hijaab, either

There is no such thing as “we’re just friends”. Talking to non-Mahrams is wrong even if it is through the internet or telephone. There are too many stories of illegal relationships, fornications, broken homes, extra-marital affairs and runaway brides to even mention. That is why in Islam anything that leads to haraam is also haraam. Allaah says:
“Do not (even) come close to fornication, for it is an indecency, and its way is evil.” (Surah Israa:32)

Be careful, even in the way you walk

Remember, you are not a runway model displaying the latest fashion. Walk with modesty and hayaa and you will be respected. The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said:

“There are two types of the people of Hell that I have not seen yet….women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait…..” (Muslim).

Don’t shake hands with non-Mahrams. Its part of Hijaab

It is not permissible to shake hands with a non-Mahram, because the Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than to touch a woman who is not permissible for him.” (at-Tabaraani saheeh by al-Albaani).

And no, it is not rude to refuse to shake hands with non-Muslims. Simply politely explain that its part of your religion and they are very understanding.

Stay away from the men’s areas

I see many sisters entering the Masjid from the men’s entrance, or standing idle in the hallways or where there is a chance of unnecessary mixing with the brothers. What for?

Don’t we have a separate entrance for ourselves? Why do you think Allaah ordained the Hijaab in the first place? To avoid fitnah, by reducing temptation and separating the genders.

“The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said to the women on his way out of the mosque when he saw men and women mixing together on their way home: ‘Give way (i.e., walk to the sides) as it is not appropriate for you to walk in the middle the road.’ Thereafter, women would walk so close to the wall that their dresses would get caught on it.” (Abu Dawood)

Hijaab is also to conceal your sister

Although some sisters wear the Hijaab themselves, they forget that they cannot talk about another sister and her beauty in front of their own husbands, brothers, etc. Remember, part of your Hijaab is to cover your sisters ‘awrah’ as well.

The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said: “No woman should mix with a woman and describe her to her husband so that it is as if he can see her.” (Muslim)

May Allah guide us and bless us with the TRUE understanding of His Deen. Ameen.

Source: http://www.farhathashmi.com/dn/Hijab...8/Default.aspx
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Marina-Aisha
01-19-2012, 01:42 PM
Omg I didn't even know most of that thanx. Guys aren't allowed shake women's also right? Unless its ur wife/husband?
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Who Am I?
01-19-2012, 05:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
Omg I didn't even know most of that thanx. Guys aren't allowed shake women's also right? Unless its ur wife/husband?
:sl:

Heh. That's a little difficult in a Western non-Muslim society where a handshake is an expected part of introduction.
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Marina-Aisha
01-19-2012, 08:36 PM
i think its great that u can only touch ur wife/husband! thats wot drew me in even more
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Who Am I?
01-19-2012, 09:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
i think its great that u can only touch ur wife/husband! thats wot drew me in even more
:sl:

Honestly, one thing that attracted me to Islam is the seperation of genders between men and women. I'm very much a socially awkward nerd who never got over my teenage years when it comes to relating to women, so having them around all of the time is really a distraction for me. I have enough to deal with in trying to become a better man without having women around all of the time.

I do have non-Muslim friends who are married, and sometimes I visit them. I try not to be alone with their wives in any situation. Not because I would do anything, or they would do anything, but out of respect for them and respect for Islam, and partly because of my social awkwardness.

This to me is part of the beauty of Islam, that respect for purity and respect for propriety.
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Marina-Aisha
01-19-2012, 09:56 PM
for me it was repect for women and the way women r covered,ive always been most;y covered..i hate when guys used to perv at u like ur some piece of meat.
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'Abd-al Latif
01-19-2012, 10:12 PM
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The Arabic in the image says: "You can't stop them. But you can protect yourself. Your creator has your best interests at heart."
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CosmicPathos
01-19-2012, 10:26 PM
^^ lol. The problem is that picture makes a woman just a lollipop and not a person/human being. :p
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Hamza Asadullah
01-19-2012, 10:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
for me it was repect for women and the way women r covered,ive always been most;y covered..i hate when guys used to perv at u like ur some piece of meat.
Unfortunately in the society we live in women are made to be like a peice of meat. Islam has given women more honour and respect than any other faith and belief in the history of mankind. The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wasallam) did more for womens rights than anyone else. Islam honours women for the precious jewels that they are. Hidden from the site of others except their partners and given a honourable status. That is why there are more women turning to Islam than men. I hope everyone else can see the truth about Islams stance on women rather than accept the utter lies an deception of the media and the ignorant.
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Who Am I?
01-19-2012, 11:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
for me it was repect for women and the way women r covered,ive always been most;y covered..i hate when guys used to perv at u like ur some piece of meat.
:sl:

This is a big struggle for me, in refraining from looking at women like that. Our secular society places so much emphasis on sex and relationships, and as a single Western man living in that culture (who has been encouraged to have relationships with women recently), it's really a struggle for me sometimes not to engage in that kind of activity.
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Hamza Asadullah
01-19-2012, 11:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Who Am I?
:sl:

This is a big struggle for me, in refraining from looking at women like that. Our secular society places so much emphasis on sex and relationships, and as a single Western man living in that culture (who has been encouraged to have relationships with women recently), it's really a struggle for me sometimes not to engage in that kind of activity.
:sl:

Your not the only one brother for most of us are struggling with such desires, but the only real solution is marriage. Whether we are ready for it or not it is really the best and only real solution to the issue of lowering gaze and controlling desire for women. Otherwise it is a constant daily struggle to lower the gaze and control ones desires. I am not saying after marriage that ones desires will dissapear but it will certainly be easier to control than if one is not married.
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Who Am I?
01-20-2012, 02:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza Asadullah
:sl:

Your not the only one brother for most of us are struggling with such desires, but the only real solution is marriage. Whether we are ready for it or not it is really the best and only real solution to the issue of lowering gaze and controlling desire for women. Otherwise it is a constant daily struggle to lower the gaze and control ones desires. I am not saying after marriage that ones desires will dissapear but it will certainly be easier to control than if one is not married.
:wa:

Ah. This again.

I hear, and I understand, but I'm going to have to disagree, at least for me. I am nowhere near ready for any relationship, much less one as serious as marriage. I don't even know who I am yet, or who I am supposed to be. If and when I figure that out, then yes, I will gladly enter into a marriage with a pious sister. Until then, I must remain alone, for my sake as well as for hers.
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Sothis Girl
01-29-2012, 04:37 PM
oh my gosh....I wear my hijab with tight jeans. But I'll tell you : about the muslim women in Europe, it's better to wear hijab with tight jeans than to not wearing hijab at all. I live in a muslim majority country, whether you're wearing attractive hijab or Taliban-like burqa is not a problem. But In Europe, wearing hijab even with the casual clothes is already a challenge. wearing hijab is already one step to proof courage for Allah.

Appreciate what they do, rather than judging ;)



Peace,

~Arachnide
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Beardo
01-29-2012, 04:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by arachnide
oh my gosh....I wear my hijab with tight jeans. But I'll tell you : about the muslim women in Europe, it's better to wear hijab with tight jeans than to not wearing hijab at all. I live in a muslim majority country, whether you're wearing attractive hijab or Taliban-like burqa is not a problem. But In Europe, wearing hijab even with the casual clothes is already a challenge. wearing hijab is already one step to proof courage for Allah.

Appreciate what they do, rather than judging ;)



Peace,

~Arachnide
Whereas I may differ in my view and I certainly do not condone wearing tight clothing, I agree with you. Mind your own business, people. Lower your gaze and look at your own faults. Pray that Allah Ta'ala guides them and yourself, too.

And how do you know what's in their hearts? Maybe they're trying to gradually move towards modesty. It's not an easy conversion.
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
01-29-2012, 05:50 PM
AsSalaamu Alaaykum sis

format_quote Originally Posted by arachnide
oh my gosh....I wear my hijab with tight jeans. But I'll tell you : about the muslim women in Europe, it's better to wear hijab with tight jeans than to not wearing hijab at all. I live in a muslim majority country, whether you're wearing attractive hijab or Taliban-like burqa is not a problem. But In Europe, wearing hijab even with the casual clothes is already a challenge. wearing hijab is already one step to proof courage for Allah.

Appreciate what they do, rather than judging ;)



Peace,

~Arachnide
I agree with you that one should not judge one. And when one see's a wrong it is not wrong of him to advice the other, the only problem is with the way it is said i.e. harshly, in public etc, it itself requires certain techniques in doing so.

But aren't you doing the same when you say 'Taliban-like burqa', who say's only people from the Taliban wear the burqa, or it originated from there?

All I know as long as a women and man stick to the right ways of applying the hijab aka the cover, the cover as in wearing loose clothing, non see through, non attention seeking etc etc , it may even refer to ones character and how they display themselves to others etc then nobody can judge, that individual is to be judged by Allaah alone! But I don't think it's right either to judge one who doesn't follow either of these, But that doesn't or shouldn't stop one from advising his bro or sis in Islaam or in any case otherwise where they may be see a wrong doing regardless of being muslim or non-muslim.

Likewise, I am not saying that you shouldn't appreciate one who isn't wearing the hijaab or not, we are nobody to judge them, it may be that it is not the right time or so on, by speaking out and judging them, 'your a bad muslim coz you don't wear the hijab' or whatever it may be, that is bad manners, thus it will or may take one away from what's good , I am speaking in regards to one who isn't aware of the wrong they may be doing or isn't aware of something that they should be made aware of, they should be made aware of it insha'Allaah ofcourse with the best of ways good approach, good manners etc, should they not be adviced? Atleast the important matters should be made clear one way or the other, maybe the way one say's it usually messes it up for another.

format_quote Originally Posted by arachnide
Appreciate what they do, rather than judging ;)
Also I really doubt that anybody was judging, rather the article was showing how hijab is applied.

However, if i've misunderstood you anywhere, feel free to correct me.
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Hamza Asadullah
01-29-2012, 06:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by arachnide
oh my gosh....I wear my hijab with tight jeans. But I'll tell you : about the muslim women in Europe, it's better to wear hijab with tight jeans than to not wearing hijab at all. I live in a muslim majority country, whether you're wearing attractive hijab or Taliban-like burqa is not a problem. But In Europe, wearing hijab even with the casual clothes is already a challenge. wearing hijab is already one step to proof courage for Allah.

Appreciate what they do, rather than judging ;)



Peace,

~Arachnide
Sister I could understand your point when it comes to the niqaab which is not easy wearing in the west and may Allah bless those sisters who wear it properly and with the right intentions, but why would it be an issue for a girl who covers her head to wear loose clothing? Isnt it so much easier to wear loose clothing than it is to cover the head?

There are many girls who dont cover their head but they still wear loose clothing, even non Muslim women wear loose clothing, so why would it be an issue for a girl who covers her head? A headcover on its own does not show modesty. Especially if a girl is covering her head but is wearing lots of perfume, makeup etc tight clothes and acts immodestly. There are many girls who dont cover their head but are far more modest. There are even many non Muslim women who dress and act more modestly that many girls who wear a headcover on its own.

Why does she feel the need to wear tight clothing to show off her curves and figure to the whole world when she is wearing a head cover assuming she is doing so to fulfill hijaab but in fact isnt that a contradiction? Surely the hijaab is for the entire body not just the head.

Once this non Muslim guy asked me. "Mate I dont want to sound offensive or anything but I see so many girls who cover their head wearing lots of makeup and tight clothes but isnt that a contradiction? I told him: "I agree with you completely that its a complete contradiction and thats a very valid question but Im as clueless as you are as to why".

I do not see any reason why someone who would go so far as to cover their head but would not wear loose clothing when many girls even non Muslim wear loose clothing. What I have noticed is that many do wear the head cover as a fashion accessory knowing they can attract even more attention than those girls who dont wear hijaab and I do find that quite sad.

The headcover should be honoured and respected and not turned into a fashion accessory used to attract even more male attention.
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~Zaria~
01-29-2012, 07:14 PM
Assalamu-alaikum,

I think I can speak from standing on both sides of this fence:

Being the woman who covered her hair.....but otherwise dressed in jeans/ skirts/ dresses, etc (perhaps not figure hugging - but attractive enough to earn compliments, etc.).....to the one who is now in full hijab (and in niqab on the weekends (since this week :) ) -Alhamdulillah!)

And looking back - I can understand why this was so.

In fact, I only started covering my hair on a full-time basis, after returning from umrah.
Alhamdulillah - just spending a few weeks in that blessed land was enough to turn my heart for the better.

But still too, even after that life-changing trip - I could not give up the rest of my attire.

Why?

Well, firstly - I actually didnt consider my way of dressing as being 'wrong'.
Coming from a non-religious background, just covering my hair was breaking away from my 'norm'.
And - unless you actually spend the time in acquiring knowledge in deen, its quite easy to continue along lifes course, just being content that you are doing ok.

Secondly:
I hate to admit this, but I actually enjoyed being the one to turn heads, be admired, get compliments, etc.
I think that this is the nature of many women.
In fact, is this not how society at large operates? - men are the admirers, women are the ones admired......and sub-consciously, most women enjoy this sort of attention.
And I used to tell myself - I can be in 'hijab', but still look attractive.....clearly the actual concept of hijab flew right over my head at the time :(

And finally.....and I think this is the most important reason:
I was doing it for the wrong reasons.
Yes, I wanted to fulfill 'obligations' in my deen.....but at the same time, I was seeking this dunya as well.

And this only happens when you are following the commands of Allah - as a duty......rather than stemming from an understanding, and love for your Rabb and His messenger (sallahu alaihi wasalam).

When something is done as a duty -

- It becomes a chore.
- You question 'why' - often.
- You look for loopholes to support your wishes.

But when the same action is done out of love....(and perhaps also fear):

- Then, you can see no other way.
- When you realise that you have been in error - you change your ways immediately and completely......Yes, you may feel the pangs of pain of letting go of a bad habit.....but the sweetness of knowing that you are now pleasing your Lord makes it all worthwhile.
- You REGRET.....for ever being so blinded in the past.
- And you sincerely intend never to make the same errors in life again.


We need to build our understanding......and our LOVE for Allah (subhanawata'ala) and His messenger (sallalahu alaihi wasalam).
And actually mean it.

Alhamdulillah - then, how EASY and FULFILLING this deen really becomes.


Finally, my actual point to this post is that:

Dont ever lose hope on those who seem to have gone astray.....who may be only half-fulfilling their ibaadat......whose intentions at present do not seem complete.
Imaan is a journey.....some get to the peak of taqwa very early in life; whilst some much later.....and unfortunately - others never get the chance to taste its sweetness.
Its our duty to gently show them the right way.
And make duaa for them.
And insha Allah - their hearts will turn as well.

The fact that one is heading in the right direction in the first place - may be a good sign.
Every step we take towards Allah, is one step away from Shaytaan, and vice versa.



Salaam
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Periwinkle18
01-29-2012, 07:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
And the title says the same. Different coloured hijabs are not prohibited (as far as I know) because 'Aisha (r) the wife of the Prophet (:saws1:) used to wear different colours. But it's when hijabs become glittery and attractive is it when it becomes a problem.
I agree too. jazakAllah khayr for the reminder its just so sad ppl hea design abaya's and sell them some hav gems n stuff, its just so hard to tell ppl tht its not allowed if u try to tell them they'll start fighting with u... May Allah guide us all and protect us frm shaytan Ameen
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'Abd-al Latif
01-29-2012, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by arachnide
oh my gosh....I wear my hijab with tight jeans. But I'll tell you : about the muslim women in Europe, it's better to wear hijab with tight jeans than to not wearing hijab at all. I live in a muslim majority country, whether you're wearing attractive hijab or Taliban-like burqa is not a problem. But In Europe, wearing hijab even with the casual clothes is already a challenge. wearing hijab is already one step to proof courage for Allah.

Appreciate what they do, rather than judging ;)



Peace,

~Arachnide
I hope not to discourage you, but a headscarf with tight jeans isn't the Islamic hijab. The Islamic hijab is the full covering of the body. Anything less than that is not the Islamic hijab.

Allah says in the Quran:

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Quran 33:59]

Allah also says:

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils all over "Juyoobihinna" (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful. [Quran 24:31]
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Marina-Aisha
01-29-2012, 10:06 PM
My partner told me story today he was out and some girl swore at him and he said to her take off ur hijaab ur disgracing the hijaab when ur speaking like that. Which true, u should have respect and honor when u wear it, if not u shouldn't wear it
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Sothis Girl
02-05-2012, 08:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ğħαrєєвαħ

But aren't you doing the same when you say 'Taliban-like burqa', who say's only people from the Taliban wear the burqa, or it originated from there?

However, if i've misunderstood you anywhere, feel free to correct me.

LOL nooooo.....I have a best friend, a true inspirator, a sister I loved dearly who was wearing niqaab in a style like Taliban burqa in Aljazeera videos ;D
thanks to her, I feel no judgmental toward sisters who are wearing niqaab. I'm actually like, how can they do that?
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Tyrion
02-05-2012, 09:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
But it's when hijabs become glittery and attractive is it when it becomes a problem.
Indeed, nothing inflames a mans sexual ardor like a glittery hijab.
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ardianto
02-05-2012, 01:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tyrion
Indeed, nothing inflames a mans sexual ardor like a glittery hijab.
Only abnormal men who sexually attracted to hijab because normally, men are sexually attracted to women.

If a woman wear glittery hijab but she's not attractive enough, men will not attracted to her. If a woman wear black abaya but she tries to attract men with her voice and her body language, men can be sexually attracted to her.
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Hamza Asadullah
02-05-2012, 02:17 PM
An attractive women who further tries to beautify herself by wearing brightly coloured glittery headcover, lots of makeup, tight clothes, high heels etc is obviously going to appear more attractive and therefore gain the attention she craves. But in reality that is not pure beauty for the women who possesses true pure beauty is the one who conceals herself from the world and does not crave attention from lustful eyes.
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crimsontide06
02-05-2012, 02:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Who Am I?
:sl:

Heh. That's a little difficult in a Western non-Muslim society where a handshake is an expected part of introduction.
Here, it's seen as a form of respect... not anything sexual.
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~Zaria~
02-05-2012, 02:38 PM
Hijab is not only the outer covering, but also the covering of ones inner self - when in the public eye.


As mentioned above, the woman who wears a simple black hijab, but speaks/ walks/ acts provocatively - is not fulfilling all conditions of hijab, exp for the external obligation.

And the women who wears flashy, eye-catching garments and head-coverings - though she may be reserved in her speech and manner - she too has only fulfilled one part of hijab.


Hijab is a veil between the woman and the world.
Not only does she veil her external beauty, she needs to remember to veil the beauty that lies within her as a person too.


Salaam
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~Zaria~
02-05-2012, 05:27 PM
And not to forget:


Hijab is for both brothers and sisters. :)

Alhamdulillah.



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Marina-Aisha
02-05-2012, 09:17 PM
Yet I hardly see guys wear it
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Who Am I?
02-05-2012, 09:32 PM
Yet I hardly see guys wear it
It's not just about covering yourself. For me, hijab is lowering my gaze and not checking out women when they walk by. For me, hijab is not looking at pornography whenever I get the sexual urge. For me, hijab is avoiding women whenever possible. This is what hijab is to me.
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Hamza Asadullah
02-05-2012, 09:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
Yet I hardly see guys wear it
Sister she did not mean that the hijaab for men and women is the same as it isnt. She meant that men should also be modest (not wear overly tight clothes or dress provocatively, dress like a woman or imitate non believers etc) and cover what was ordained for them to cover (Navel to knees for men). Just to clarify incase you didnt understand.
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Marina-Aisha
02-05-2012, 11:02 PM
Okay cool, I knew wot they meant but I meant I hardy ever men cover they head or dress modest..see Muslim men wearin shorts or tight jeans.
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Hamza Asadullah
02-05-2012, 11:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marina28
Okay cool, I knew wot they meant but I meant I hardy ever men cover they head or dress modest..see Muslim men wearin shorts or tight jeans.
It is not obligatory for men to cover their head. Wearing a topee (small cap) is a great Sunnah. Shorts can only be worn if they cover from navel to kne and they should not be tighte. Those which are above the knee are not permissable.

Men should also generally wear clothing which is not too tight and clothes which do not resemble female clothing nor should they try to resemble non believers who adopt any trends and fashions which are contrary to shariah.
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Sothis Girl
02-06-2012, 06:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
Not only does she veil her external beauty, she needs to remember to veil the beauty that lies within her as a person too.
You cannot hide an inner beauty, you can only watch your attitude and that's it.


format_quote Originally Posted by Who Am I?
I For me, hijab is avoiding women whenever possible. This is what hijab is to me.
Avoiding women? Why? Imagine if the inhabitants of earth are all-men, what would that be? Both woman and man are created by Allah on purpose. Women are not the source of sin or disease to be "avoided". Islam has its own rules and fences for men-women relationship to prevent a moral degradation, but "avoiding women" is not the point.
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ardianto
02-06-2012, 08:04 AM
I've spent much money to buy "modest beautiful" Muslimah dresses for my wife because I like if she look beautiful. Ulama in my place never forbade women to look beautiful as long as still modest.
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'Abd-al Latif
02-06-2012, 11:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
I've spent much money to buy "modest beautiful" Muslimah dresses for my wife because I like if she look beautiful. Ulama in my place never forbade women to look beautiful as long as still modest.
And that beauty should only be for you. As I'm sure you know that it's not the scholars but verses in Qur'an that forbid a women to look beautiful in public. Of course it doesn't mean that she should be careless and homely, but should maintain a moderate and modest appearance .
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ardianto
02-06-2012, 02:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
And that beauty should only be for you. As I'm sure you know that it's not the scholars but verses in Qur'an that forbid a women to look beautiful in public. Of course it doesn't mean that she should be careless and homely, but should maintain a moderate and modest appearance .
:sl:

I did not say look sexy, but look beautiful, I mean look good.

My wife does not wear glittery head cover although sometime she wore head cover with more than one colors. She does not use lots of makeup, never wear tight clothes and high heel shoes. She wear "modest beautiful" Muslimah clothes that designed for Muslim women. Ulama in my place never forbade Muslim women to look beautiful in "modest beautiful. Ulama in my place do not forbid women to show their faces, but always remind men to lower their gaze.
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~Zaria~
02-06-2012, 04:44 PM
Assalamu-alaikum,


^ I guess my only concern with the above is that it allows for interpretation of what 'modest beautiful' actually means......the definition of which would differ from person to person.

At the end of the day, if we do not lose sight of the actual purpose of hijab, then we are doing ok. :)

Consider the meaning of hijab:

I am not arabic speaking, but from what I understand - Literally, hijab means “partition”, “separation”, or “curtain”.

However, today when we think of 'hijab' - we have very different ideas.
We think of womens clothing.....in association with a head-scarf.

And this has become a new standard of modesty amongst muslim women......one which we have created.


What are we trying to 'partion' or 'veil'?

--> A womans physical and sensual beauty.
--> Her voice - which can be the means of seduction as well.
--> Her scent - and so, women are forbidden to leave the home using perfumes/ fragrances.
--> Her true personality - by this I mean: a woman may be a very jovial, talkative and maybe even loud-spoken person by nature.......but in the presence of non-mahrams - she conceals this.
She lowers her voice and her gaze, she does not speak unnecessarily, etc.


The beauty of a woman (both modestly, and immodestly, lol) - is for the pleasure of her husband - and him alone.

No one else (apart from her mahrams) should even partake of such a wonder.

And therefore, once we understand the meaning behind hijab - it becomes a lot more ful-filling for a woman who has chosen to completely submit to the commands of Allah (subhana wata'ala).


Salaam
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Who Am I?
02-06-2012, 06:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by arachnide
Avoiding women? Why? Imagine if the inhabitants of earth are all-men, what would that be? Both woman and man are created by Allah on purpose. Women are not the source of sin or disease to be "avoided". Islam has its own rules and fences for men-women relationship to prevent a moral degradation, but "avoiding women" is not the point.
:sl:

You have to understand me, though. I'm still very much a socially awkward nerd when it comes to women. For me, it's easier to just avoid them whenever possible, because then I don't have to worry about whether or not I look like a dork when they're around. I can just concentrate on being a better man.
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TrueStranger
02-25-2012, 02:39 PM
Don’t shake hands with non-Mahrams. Its part of Hijaab

It is not permissible to shake hands with a non-Mahram, because the Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than to touch a woman who is not permissible for him.” (at-Tabaraani saheeh by al-Albaani).
I think the respected Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradhawi spoke about this matter....

......Furthermore, some contemporary Muslim scholars have based their ruling concerning the prohibition of shaking hands with women on the Hadith narrated by Al-Tabari and Al-Baihaqi on the authority of Ma`qil ibn Yassar that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “It would be better for one of you to have himself stabbed on the head with an iron needle than to touch a woman that is illegal for him.”

Here, the following should be noted:

1. The scholars and Imams of Hadith have not declared the authenticity of this Hadith. Some of them say that its narrators are trustworthy, but this is not enough to prove the authenticity of the Hadith because there is a probability that there is an interruption in the chain of narrators or there was a hidden cause behind this Hadith. That is why Muslim jurists in the periods that followed the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) have not based their ruling on the prohibition of shaking hands with women on this Hadith.

2. Some Hanafi and Maliki jurists stated that the prohibition is not proven unless there is a certain qat`i (definitive) piece of evidence such as textual proofs from the Glorious Qur’an or authentic Hadiths on which there is no suspicion regarding the chains of narrators.

3. If we suppose that the above-mentioned Hadith is authentic, it is unclear to me that the Hadith indicates that it is prohibited for males and females who are not mahrams to shake hands. That is because the phrase “touch a woman that is illegal for him” does not refer to the mere touching without desire as happens in normal handshaking. But the Arabic word “al-mass” (touching) as used in the Shar`i texts of the Qur’an and the Sunnah refers to one of two things:

1. Sexual intercourse, as reported by Ibn `Abbas in his commentary to Almighty Allah’s saying, ‘… or ye have touched women …’. He stated that “touching” in the Qur’an refers figuratively to sexual intercourse. This is clear in the following Qur’anic verses that read: “She (Mary) said: ‘My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me?’” (Al `Imran: 47) and “If ye divorce them before ye have touched them …” (Al-Baqarah: 237)

2. Actions that precede sexual intercourse such as foreplay, kissing, hugging, caressing, and the like. This is reported from our righteous predecessors in the interpretation of the word “mulamasah”.

Al-Hakim stated in his Al-Mustadrak `Ala as-Sahihain: Al-Bukhari and Muslim have narrated many Hadiths that show that the meaning of the word “lams” (touching) refers to actions that precede sexual intercourse. Among them are:

a) The Hadith narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “…The hands fornicate. Their fornication is the touch …”

b) The Hadith narrated by Ibn `Abbas that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “You might caress her.”

c) The Hadith narrated by Muslim that Ibn Mas`ud is reported to have said that a person came to Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and told him that he had kissed a woman or touched her with his hand or did something like this. He inquired of him about its expiation. It was (on this occasion) that Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, revealed this Qur’anic verse that reads “Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo! good deeds annul ill deeds …” (Hud: 114)

d) `A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said, “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) used to visit us (his wives) and it was his habit to kiss and caress us and do actions other than sexual intercourse until he reached the one whose turn was due and he stayed there.”

e) `Abdullah ibn Mas`ud is reported to have said in his commentary to Almighty Allah’s saying, “… or ye have touched women, …” that it refers to actions that precede sexual intercourse for which ablution is obligatory.

f) `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said, “Kissing is to be considered among the touching acts, so perform ablution if you do.” (Al-Mustadrak, vol. 1, p. 135)

Hence, the opinion of Imam Malik and the substantial meaning of the legal verdict issued by Imam Ahmad in this respect are that the touching of a woman that nullifies ablution is that which is accompanied by desire. And this is the way they interpreted Almighty Allah’s saying, “… or ye have touched women, …”....
http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-stud...f-al-qaradawi/
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ardianto
02-25-2012, 02:51 PM
I notice, in another place, the suggested color for hijab is black.

Just for information. In my place, the suggested color for hijab is white.
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Snowflake
02-25-2012, 04:16 PM
Thank you for this article. I've worn black/grey for as long as I can remember. But there are days when you feel absolutely depressed because everything in your life and in your wardrobe seems to be black and grey. Colours are beautiful creations of Allah and they affect our moods. So it's good to know you can wear coloured hijabs as long as they are not too bright and glittery etc. Just to add here, big hijabs (camel hump hijabs) such as those that end up looking like a woman's got two heads are a big no-no. This is vanity and ends up defeating the whole purpose of hijab.
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CosmicPathos
02-25-2012, 04:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tyrion
Indeed, nothing inflames a mans sexual ardor like a glittery hijab.
Yea, I've read from multiple accounts that Western men are quite attracted to the woman from Arab lands because of the "concealing" of face behind a mask, increasing the curiosity of such "men" to unveil what is veiled. Remember how in bygone days Orientalists talked about harems, drew harems in their paintings, and lusted to be part of the harems of Sultan? So I am surprised you can so arrogantly ignore the mentality of men from your cultures.
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~Zaria~
03-15-2012, 06:39 PM
"Dear sisters,

Do you know that the whole world is actually wearing Hijab?!

...
The earth is surrounded by the atmosphere.

Fresh fruits have peels on them.

The sword is preserved in a sheath.

Ink pen would dry without a cap.
And would be thrown away because it became useless.

Why would we cover our books, if not to protect them?!

If an apple became without a peel, it would be rotten.
If a banana became without a peel, its color would turn to black.

And a woman is a beautiful flower which every one wishes to pick.
So she must be protected by Hijab.

SubhanAllah! All the world is wearing Hijab!"
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Marina-Aisha
03-15-2012, 07:15 PM
Totally true!!I have say I do love wearing hijaab. I know some sisters don't wear it but I love it.
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Snowflake
03-15-2012, 08:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
"Dear sisters,

Do you know that the whole world is actually wearing Hijab?!

...
The earth is surrounded by the atmosphere.

Fresh fruits have peels on them.

The sword is preserved in a sheath.

Ink pen would dry without a cap.
And would be thrown away because it became useless.

Why would we cover our books, if not to protect them?!

If an apple became without a peel, it would be rotten.
If a banana became without a peel, its color would turn to black.

And a woman is a beautiful flower which every one wishes to pick.
So she must be protected by Hijab.

SubhanAllah! All the world is wearing Hijab!"
Lol masha Allah. I like it. My computer wears hijab too. It's called a screen saver : )
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Marina-Aisha
04-06-2012, 01:41 PM
i had to share wot happened to me yesterday when i was at work im always on till...
a regular customor came in yesterday..
C: you never use to wear that before...(pointing at my hijaab)
Me: I converted couple weeks ago
C: to islam?
Me:yes
C: are you happy?( she was giving me some strange look)
Me: yes very happy
C: well as long as ur happy...

that whole conversation was strange..like why wouldnt i be?lol some elderly women are kinda racist too....one said she stop going to ilford cos there too many foreigners...i guess that im always gonna have someone point or comment on my hijaab just seemed strange question to ask.
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Jedi_Mindset
04-06-2012, 02:23 PM
You will have these convo's yes, sometimes you can't avoid it. don't feel strange, u may find women who are interested why you wear it and so on and why you reverted to islam ;)...
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Marina-Aisha
04-06-2012, 02:42 PM
yea ur totally right...yea some comment on my hijjab show nice it looks..some guy was like arent u hot haha
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~Zaria~
04-12-2012, 04:48 PM
Just a reminder:

"If you can't pray in the clothes you're going out with, then you should not be wearing them....."


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TrueStranger
04-12-2012, 07:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
"Dear sisters,

Do you know that the whole world is actually wearing Hijab?!

...
The earth is surrounded by the atmosphere.

Fresh fruits have peels on them.

The sword is preserved in a sheath.

Ink pen would dry without a cap.
And would be thrown away because it became useless.

Why would we cover our books, if not to protect them?!

If an apple became without a peel, it would be rotten.
If a banana became without a peel, its color would turn to black.

And a woman is a beautiful flower which every one wishes to pick.
So she must be protected by Hijab.

SubhanAllah! All the world is wearing Hijab!"
Salaam Aliakum Zaria,

I just want to state my impression and understanding of comments that compare Hijabis with objects, books, fruits, mineral etc. The worst one was the candy. Hijab is meant to create a strong bond between a woman and her Creator, weaken her desires for worldly materials, and protect her socially. The cloth itself does not have value, but the woman's character, demeanor, and her relationship with God is the core value to the Hijab. The number of women who wear hijab has probably increased over the past ten years, but the value of Hijab sadly hasn't. That is probably due to people emphasizing the cloak, and not the importance of prayer, devotion, and the inward characteristic of hijab.

There is something disturbing about pens becoming "useless', apples become "rotten", banana's "turning black", unwrapped candies being "surround by flies". These things are for the most part true, but we are comparing them to Human Beings....and that is where it becomes a problem. This attitude usually allows certain Muslim women and men to directly insult women who for whatever reason are not wearing their Hijab. Has a non-Hijabi woman completely diminished in value? Is she useless? Rotten? Surround by flies as if she is filthy? That is the message of those words. We have to remember that sometimes the atmosphere is polluted, fruits with fresh peels are rotten from within, sheath cracks, and the pages of the book are of low quality, and no amount of exterior protection will change that easily.


I heard the term "HoeJabi" yesterday for the first time in a Muslim talk show. What demented mind constructed such a term? And what purpose was it meant to serve? In the process of advocating, praising, and encouraging the Hijab we unfortunately make comparisons which might be appealing to some, and insulting to others. Let's just focus on what God and His Messenger says about Hijab, and its importance and ignore new innovative endorsements of the Hijab. Some people might disagree with me, but most hijabis will continue to wear their hijab without constantly hearing some of those misplaced comparisons.
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'Abd-al Latif
04-12-2012, 07:53 PM
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Comparisons were never meant to replace the true spirit of hijab but to remind people of its value. The message portrayed by most of these images is intended to remind one for whom they are wearing the hijab for and what it brings to them. When a woman resolves to wear hijab it is usually to please the Creator but after a while the human forgets. Having knowledge in addition to what one knows already about hijab doesn't bring any harm, it should increases one in iman by reminding one of what Allah has guided her to and whom she is trying to please with it.

As for cultivating and refining one's manners and worship then this is something continuous. To be able to have a deep and meaningful bond with the Creator one needs to attend circles of knowledge, be with righteous company and do good deeds; wearing hijab sincerely for Allah won't replace the need to make additional effort to improve one's self.

And as for those who insult non-hijabi's, who are they? The righteous or the ignorant? It's usually the ignorant who have a lack of direction and overzealousness that makes them reckless.
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CosmicPathos
04-12-2012, 08:05 PM
if unbearded men and nonhijab women can get the same status in front of Allah (while looking good and clean in public) that bearded men and hijabi women can, then is there any purpose for growing facial hair or putting some piece of cloth on?
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جوري
04-12-2012, 08:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
Attractive Hijabs & Shari'ah
I must challenge the concept of attractive hijab per article.. what is posted above just looks very busy to me. Attractive to me are Earth toned & monochromatic which I presume are the garment accepted by sharia'a and looks very professional. It is true when I travel to places like Egypt everyone looks like candy to me compared to KSA.. One can't change people's tastes but I personally love simplicity and I know it comes with a high price. You just need to browse the web and see, I think the majority dress this way because it is what is made available to them at an affordable price.. I wish more people would either cater to Muslim taste at an affordable price or folks would learn the craft of garment making but When I buy a simple gray skirt with a kick box pleat or a Jelbab from Aabuk.com it costs a fortune. Not every Muslimah can afford that and it is really unfortunate that cheap polyester crap from China is making it on Muslim bodies...

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TrueStranger
04-12-2012, 08:54 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
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Comparisons were never meant to replace the true spirit of hijab but to remind people of its value. The message portrayed by most of these images is intended to remind one for whom they are wearing the hijab for and what it brings to them. When a woman resolves to wear hijab it is usually to please the Creator but after a while the human forgets. Having knowledge in addition to what one knows already about hijab doesn't bring any harm, it should increases one in iman by reminding one of what Allah has guided her to and whom she is trying to please with it.
Salaam Aliakum,

I cannot speak about the intentions behind those comparisons, but their overall meaning and inferences. The value of hijab does not lie in apples, bananas, candies, and minerals. It lies in the individual and Islam. Largely, the message has a theme that has two opposing extremes. Good/bad, religious/****ed, pure/impure. One cannot simply compare a hijabi with a fresh fruit and simultaneously imply that rotten fruits indict non-hijabi. One requires having the correct knowledge to be guided towards Allah, and comparisons that downgraded non-hijabi Muslims is not a correct knowledge. I personally would not take a compliment that insults someone else.

As for cultivating and refining one's manners and worship then this is something continuous. To be able to have a deep and meaningful bond with the Creator one needs to attend circles of knowledge, be with righteous company and do good deeds; wearing hijab sincerely for Allah won't replace the need to make additional effort to improve one's self.
Manners and worship are not merely additional aspects of Islam, but essential columns of faith. One does not replace the other, but in general, people but more emphasis on outward appearance especially when it comes to hijab and ignore or downplay other characteristics of hijab.

And as for those who insult non-hijabi's, who are they? The righteous or the ignorant? It's usually the ignorant who have a lack of direction and overzealousness that makes them reckless.
I cannot simply describe someone righteous or ignorant, but these ignorant views are becoming more common these days and misplaced comparisons are not helping at all.
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~Zaria~
04-12-2012, 09:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger
Salaam Aliakum Zaria,

I just want to state my impression and understanding of comments that compare Hijabis with objects, books, fruits, mineral etc. The worst one was the candy. Hijab is meant to create a strong bond between a woman and her Creator, weaken her desires for worldly materials, and protect her socially. The cloth itself does not have value, but the woman's character, demeanor, and her relationship with God is the core value to the Hijab.

The number of women who wear hijab has probably increased over the past ten years, but the value of Hijab sadly hasn't. That is probably due to people emphasizing the cloak, and not the importance of prayer, devotion, and the inward characteristic of hijab.

There is something disturbing about pens becoming "useless', apples become "rotten", banana's "turning black", unwrapped candies being "surround by flies". These things are for the most part true, but we are comparing them to Human Beings....and that is where it becomes a problem. This attitude usually allows certain Muslim women and men to directly insult women who for whatever reason are not wearing their Hijab. Has a non-Hijabi woman completely diminished in value? Is she useless? Rotten? Surround by flies as if she is filthy? That is the message of those words. We have to remember that sometimes the atmosphere is polluted, fruits with fresh peels are rotten from within, sheath cracks, and the pages of the book are of low quality, and no amount of exterior protection will change that easily.


I heard the term "HoeJabi" yesterday for the first time in a Muslim talk show. What demented mind constructed such a term? And what purpose was it meant to serve? In the process of advocating, praising, and encouraging the Hijab we unfortunately make comparisons which might be appealing to some, and insulting to others. Let's just focus on what God and His Messenger says about Hijab, and its importance and ignore new innovative endorsements of the Hijab. Some people might disagree with me, but most hijabis will continue to wear their hijab without constantly hearing some of those misplaced comparisons.


Wa-aliakumsalam sister,

JazakAllah for expressing your views.

I completely agree with your initial statements......as has been discussed in this thread, hijab does not only refer to the outer garb of a woman.

However,

The similitude of the hijab to those things which are known to protect, remove from harm and emphasise how precious that concealed item is - are all means of praising the hijab, and as brother 'Abd al Latif has said - to remind people the purpose and wisdom of hijab.

The comparisons that have been drawn above - are all true.
The unwrapped candy does indeed draw flies and insects towards it.
The apple does indeed go bad, without its peel......

Just as these items require the protection of their respective coverings - so too, do women.
Alhamdulillah.

These examples are in no way meant to be demeaning of those who do not observe hijab.
Rather - within these examples are lessons......for those who wish to reflect on Allah (subhanawataálas) wisdom in all matters.
There are soo many similitudes in life (not just with regards to hijab) - for man to draw upon these and contemplate upon their meanings.

And yes, a change of the external self may not necessarily reflect the internal self.

However, very often - it is initially by means of a inner/ spiritual 'awakening' - that 'propels' a woman to observe hijab completely and willingly (when in the past, she may have found great difficulty in doing so).

The woman who choses to ignore the commands of hijab, most certainly needs to reflect on the weaknesses within her imaan and taqwa which are hindering her from obeying her Creator in this regard.

And yes, many will (mentally) distinguish between the 'hijaabi' women and the 'non-hijaabi' women......the 'bearded' men and the 'non-bearded' men.......
And this is not with the intention to belittle/ insult their choices or to be judgemental.

But rather - these physical attributes of a mu'min serve to create sub-conscious 'first impressions' to any observer.
Which is why Islam emphasizes the importance of attire/ not dressing like the disbelievers, etc.

If we wish to provide a true reflection of our internal selves - then it is up to us, to make an effort to reveal this externally as well - both in our attire and behaviour towards others.


:wa:
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'Abd-al Latif
04-12-2012, 09:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger
Salaam Aliakum,

I cannot speak about the intentions behind those comparisons, but their overall meaning and inferences. The value of hijab does not lie in apples, bananas, candies, and minerals. It lies in the individual and Islam. Largely, the message has a theme that has two opposing extremes. Good/bad, religious/****ed, pure/impure. One cannot simply compare a hijabi with a fresh fruit and simultaneously imply that rotten fruits indict non-hijabi. One requires having the correct knowledge to be guided towards Allah, and comparisons that downgraded non-hijabi Muslims is not a correct knowledge. I personally would not take a compliment that insults someone else.



Manners and worship are not merely additional aspects of Islam, but essential columns of faith. One does not replace the other, but in general, people but more emphasis on outward appearance especially when it comes to hijab and ignore or downplay other characteristics of hijab.



I cannot simply describe someone righteous or ignorant, but these ignorant views are becoming more common these days and misplaced comparisons are not helping at all.
You're missing my point. I never said that the value of hijab lies in objects nor was I comparing hijab with fruits. What I said was that there is nothing wrong with these pictures. If you've browsed any of my threads/posts before then you would have seen that I am far removed from encouraging people to practice Islam through 'modern' means, i.e. nonsensical emotional nasheeds, pictures etc. I always quote the Qur'an and hadeeth.

Let me try again. If a sister wants to wear hijab because she doesn't want flies (metaphorically speaking) coming to her and feels hijab is the way out, then the intention is wrong; if she does it because it's the norm, the intention is again wrong and if she does it because doesn't want to be seen as 'rotten' on the inside, the intention is still wrong. One has to wear hijab for Allah. But if one wants to wear hijab for the right reasons and these pictures give them a push, what's wrong with it?
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TrueStranger
04-12-2012, 10:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
Wa-aliakumsalam sister,

JazakAllah for expressing your views.

I completely agree with your initial statements......as has been discussed in this thread, hijab does not only refer to the outer garb of a woman.

However,

The similitude of the hijab to those things which are known to protect, remove from harm and emphasise how precious that concealed item is - are all means of praising the hijab, and as brother 'Abd al Latif has said - to remind people the purpose and wisdom of hijab.

The comparisons that have been drawn above - are all true.
The unwrapped candy does indeed draw flies and insects towards it.
The apple does indeed go bad, without its peel......

Just as these items require the protection of their respective coverings - so too, do women.
Alhamdulillah.

These examples are in no way meant to be demeaning of those who do not observe hijab.
Rather - within these examples are lessons......for those who wish to reflect on Allah (subhanawataálas) wisdom in all matters.
There are soo many similitudes in life (not just with regards to hijab) - for man to draw upon these and contemplate upon their meanings.

And yes, a change of the external self may not necessarily reflect the internal self.

However, very often - it is initially by means of a inner/ spiritual 'awakening' - that 'propels' a woman to observe hijab completely and willingly (when in the past, she may have found great difficulty in doing so).

The woman who choses to ignore the commands of hijab, most certainly needs to reflect on the weaknesses within her imaan and taqwa which are hindering her from obeying her Creator in this regard.

And yes, many will (mentally) distinguish between the 'hijaabi' women and the 'non-hijaabi' women......the 'bearded' men and the 'non-bearded' men.......
And this is not with the intention to belittle/ insult their choices or to be judgemental.

But rather - these physical attributes of a mu'min serve to create sub-conscious 'first impressions' to any observer.
Which is why Islam emphasizes the importance of attire/ not dressing like the disbelievers, etc.

If we wish to provide a true reflection of our internal selves - then it is up to us, to make an effort to reveal this externally as well - both in our attire and behaviour towards others.


:wa:

There will always be difference of opinion and views, and for me personally it's quite difficult to see the logic or wisdom of comparing objects, plants, animals, or minerals with the Hijab. One can’t simplify human nature. There are modest women who dress modestly and have ‘flies” around them. Sometimes the apple’s peel is in fact rotten. And those observations can also be said to be true. However, at the end, they do not provide a holistic picture. I really can’t use such terms to refer to humans and their behavior. A woman is not only protected by the hijab, but also by the law ( Islamic) and society (Usually not the case in most countries).

The candy ad remains to be misleading. The flies ( I'm assuming Men) are not there merely as a “result” of the missing wrap, but also because they are committing a crime- harassing or sexually assaulting the woman. One just cannot argue/imply that wearing proper hijab alone will protect Muslim women, and once she takes it off, any problem that might arise is her fault. Sister, there are plenty of incidents that involves a hijabi getting unwanted attention and/or being harassed by Muslim men. More importantly, the ad gives the false impression that Hijabis are chaste, holy, and virtuous. Two unnecessary and extreme generalizations. These are neither lessons nor examples that are in the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) or the Qu’ran.

It’s obvious that these examples are by nature distorted when dealing with Hijabis and non-Hijabis in the sense that it creates a one dimensional perspective of reality, not to forget overgeneralizations. We simply do not know the “preciousness” or the “holiness” of any woman. These phrases are superficial and lack the most essential meaning of hijab and its purpose.

To me, it appears as we’re indirectly mocking these women by saying they attract files, diminishing their value by associating them with insects, and emphasizing negativity and badness by comparing it to what appears to us as “pure”.

There are other ways to encourage the Hijab without judging or comparing Muslim women with objects, plants, animals, or minerals. I will respect anyone who sees these comparisons differently, but I can’t respect the comparisons that are made.
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TrueStranger
04-12-2012, 11:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
You're missing my point. I never said that the value of hijab lies in objects nor was I comparing hijab with fruits. What I said was that there is nothing wrong with these pictures. If you've browsed any of my threads/posts before then you would have seen that I am far removed from encouraging people to practice Islam through 'modern' means, i.e. nonsensical emotional nasheeds, pictures etc. I always quote the Qur'an and hadeeth.

You also said
"Comparisons were never meant to replace the true spirit of hijab but to remind people of its value"
Do you honestly think that those comparisons can remind people of the value of Hijab? And if your answer is yes, then would you agree that those comparisons also de-value non-hijabis in the process?

Let me try again. If a sister wants to wear hijab because she doesn't want flies (metaphorically speaking) coming to her and feels hijab is the way out, then the intention is wrong; if she does it because it's the norm, the intention is again wrong and if she does it because doesn't want to be seen as 'rotten' on the inside, the intention is still wrong. One has to wear hijab for Allah. But if one wants to wear hijab for the right reasons and these pictures give them a push, what's wrong with it?

I think there is a good reason why there isn't any prescribed worldly punishment for not wearing the hijab in the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) and the Qu'ran. Dress code can not be equated with behavior.

I will tell you what I find wrong with these images and comparisons. It does not only describe the supposed "pureness" of a Hijabi, but goes a step further and degrades the non-Hijabi. Like I've stated before, if not a Hijabi, then one must be useless, rotten, unprotected etc....The hijab is being used as a tool to measure a woman’s supposed religiosity, purity, preciousness, and even sexuality. Generalization and stereotypes is all these comparisons provide.

Walahi, Muslim women who wear the Hijab and the Niqab should know this experience first hand. I personally get angry when I see Westerns making indications that stereotype women who wear the Hijab or the veil. The associated negativity includes notions such as "oppressed", "asexual", "subordinate", "uneducated", and ignorant of her own "existence". Generalizations and Stereotypes.

Again, you do not have to agree with me or even understand my view, but it's an opinion I hold.
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CosmicPathos
04-13-2012, 12:17 AM
Abdal Latif: if you can answer my question above?

Generalizations are very important for human societies to work. Without generalizations, human societies will become non-functional. Some generalizations are right, some are wrong, once you realize that the one you made is wrong, you correct it, and make another one. That is how societies work. A person who does not get into med school, despite numerous tries, it can be reasonably generalized that he/she is not cut for it. Yes, this generalization could be wrong, but the onus is on that person to prove it wrong.

As for someone saying that dress code does not equte to behavior. This is quite childish and irresponsible claim. Dress code, if you have free will, represents one's thoughts, behaviors and intentions for the most part. A doctor who dresses like a rock star at work is highlighting unprofessional behavior. |A businessman who dresses in Khaki shorts and sandals at business meeting is being unprofessional. A Muslim who dresses like kaafirs is being sinful.

Someone mentioned that hijab cant be compared to candy wrappers because does it mean non-hijabis are rotten? Why do not you think they are rotten when it comes to following this specific command of Allah? Are two people who engage in zina rotten? Well Western ethics say that as long as it consensual, it is a normal human activity and totally benign. But does Islam consider such two people filthy unless they repent? Yes. So why cant such reasoning be extended to unbearded men and nonhijabi women? Why special pleading for sinners?

And yes human behavior can be simplified to basic components: genetics + environment + neurotransmitters + pathologies. That is how science progresses and that is how the whole discipline of psychology works.
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جوري
04-13-2012, 12:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
that is how the whole discipline of psychology works.
It is NOT and I think you'll soon learn once you sit for your MLE's just how many correct answers there are amidst the one most correct. Life isn't so black and white and we're certainly all individuals .. Allah swt has conferred such a dignity on us that doesn't loan itself to a broad brush:


Al-Mutaffifin (Those Who Deal in Fraud) [83:26]

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Khitamuhu miskun wafee thalika falyatanafasi almutanafisoona
83:26 : And for this let those aspire, who have aspirations:

Generalizations are only created and meant so that kaffirs can classify us in totality as terrorists.

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CosmicPathos
04-13-2012, 12:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by لميس
It is NOT and I think you'll soon learn once you sit for your MLE's just how many correct answers there are amidst the one most correct. Life isn't so black and white and we're certainly all individuals .. Allah swt has conferred such a dignity on us that doesn't loan itself to a broad brush:


Al-Mutaffifin (Those Who Deal in Fraud) [83:26]

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Khitamuhu miskun wafee thalika falyatanafasi almutanafisoona
83:26 : And for this let those aspire, who have aspirations:

Generalizations are only created and meant so that kaffirs can classify us in totality as terrorists.

:w:
wsalam sis, I agree that we dont know how it works but there are some basic facts. Even Prophet Muhammad pbuh understood basic human psychological functioning. I just need to mention one incident. There was an orphan child sitting and not playing around like other people. Prophet pbuh saw it and went to him and started the conversation by saying something that when he was a child, he lost both his parents. Prophet pbuh knew that this is the only way which would let this child confide in him, because Prophet has been through what he is going through. It is all basic human psyche (which of course is result of our brain, our neurons and all that music).

and those generalizations of kaafirs are wrong. evidence is contrary to that. come on sis, you also acknowledge that without generalizations, we cant function. We get some right, others wrong. That is how Allah swt created our brain to function. When I see a Muslim with a beard, I wont be wrong to generalize that he eats halal food. If I find him eating pork, then yes my genearlization was wrong, but the fact still remains that most bearded Muslims eat halal and I extrapolated from that and that is quite reasonable. we do the same thing in medicine, we generalize from population studies and apply the evidence to the individual on the assumption that most likely the individual falls within 2 std deviation of the bell curve.
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جوري
04-13-2012, 01:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos
wsalam sis, I agree that we dont know how it works but there are some basic facts. Even Prophet Muhammad pbuh understood basic human psychological functioning. I just need to mention one incident. There was an orphan child sitting and not playing around like other people. Prophet pbuh saw it and went to him and started the conversation by saying something that when he was a child, he lost both his parents. Prophet pbuh knew that this is the only way which would let this child confide in him, because Prophet has been through what he is going through. It is all basic human psyche (which of course is result of our brain, our neurons and all that music).
wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb akhi,

Do you not believe that his action shows complexity rather than simplicity? It was the prophet PBUH who said:
مسلم عن ابن مسعود قال "ما أنت بمحدث قوما حديثا لا تبلغه عقولهم إلا كان لبعضهم فتنة.

and though it is a weak hadith we can see it play in several portions such as with the Bedouin who came to ask the prophet PBUH on how to be a good Muslim and he told him only of the five pillars as he knew the Bedouin wouldn't reason laws of governance, economics and inheritance!
So human psychology wasn't invented by westerners sometime a century ago as let's face it not only are they constantly amending their ways, they've been proven wrong about a great many things.
If you truly reason Islam in your heart and mind you'll find no greater philosophy, creed or a way of life. You can't coin common sense and turn it into a science I am hoping that one day you'll see past all the crap they teach.. Everything even math is borne out of our imagination if you'd reflect on:

Al-Baqara (The Cow) [2:31]

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WaAAallama adama alasmaa kullaha thumma AAaradahum AAala almalaikati faqala anbioonee biasmai haolai in kuntum sadiqeena
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MustafaMc
04-13-2012, 01:41 AM
Although I believe that wearing a scarf is an essential part of a woman's hijab, I also believe that the intention of the woman for modesty in her dress is reflected in the choices she makes in what to wear. If we are honest with ourselves, a woman has a natural tendancy to make herself look beautiful as it is in man's nature to look at beautiful women. The degree to which a person strives to control those natural tendencies (for the sake of Allah) is, in my opinion, a reflection of his/her faith. I personally don't believe a strict mandatory dress codes like a niqab or only drab scarves should be forced on women. Again I believe it is a matter of faith and her heart should tell her what is acceptable Islamically as opposed to what is the bare minimum to get by with. I don't think the color or designs on a hijab is what attracts men, but rather the shape of her body and the flow of her hair. That is what she should conceal. My opinion is that an example of the influence a woman's hair has on her attractiveness, is that almost no African-Americans wear their naturally curly/kinky hair, but instead use straighteners and many braid their hair quite intricately. Again, if a woman fears Allah, she should cover her hair and modestly conceal the shape of her body.

I am reminded of the hadith, Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah 's Apostle said, "Treat women nicely, for a women is created from a rib, and the most curved portion of the rib is its upper portion, so, if you should try to straighten it, it will break, but if you leave it as it is, it will remain crooked. So treat women nicely."
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'Abd-al Latif
04-13-2012, 09:17 AM
:salamext:

Sis TrueStranger, I have never disagreed with you and I am not arguing against you. I hold the same view as you but I have only gone further and said that there is nothing wrong with those pictures. Pictures will never replace the true meaning of worshipping Allah but I don't see the harm in looking at the benefits from another angle after first knowing whom we are doing our actions for. Is there anything Islamically wrong with this?

I fully understand the value of having substance and not judging one's image alone. I can't speak for sisters but I can at least talk about myself; I've noticed over the years that a lot of people feel intimidated by me because I have a beard. Does having more facial hair than is the custom in UK make me threatening in some way? Or does it mean that I should automatically be given preference to lead the prayer because the people should assume the man the with the longest beard is somehow always supposed to be the imam? When one has not been accompanied by righteous company who affirm one's good actions, see such images just bring a mere smile to one's face. It's why I said that I see no harm in them but again it can never replace the true meaning of doing actions, with knowledge, for the sake of Allah.

Cosmicpathos, sorry I didn't know your question was directed to me. The only one's who are higher in the sight of Allah are those with the most taqwa. And having taqwa is not exclusive to actions of the heart, it includes actions of the limbs and statements of the tongue. So if one grows a beard or wears hijab for the sake of Allah then he/she is far better than one doesn't wear hijab at all or grows a beard.
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Insaanah
04-13-2012, 09:34 AM
:sl:

Hijaab really doesn't sit well with the comparisons/analogies given on the previous page. If we want to take the comparison of fruits and their skins, then what covers our interior, is actually our skin. Without our skin, our organs would not be held in place, we would look unbelievably ugly, we would smell unbearable, and our insides would dry up (amongst other major bodily problems that would happen) and we'd die. Hijaab is stretching it a bit.

No one puts it better and more graciously than Allah:

O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. (33:59)

I also think that rather than looking at hijaab (referring to scarf and jilbaab here) in isolation as is so often done, one needs to look at where it fits into the whole Islamic system in context:

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...ml#post1468117

This is what is said about hijaab on a short leaflet on Islam:

Muslim men and women must dress modestly. Hijaab literally means 'to cover' and is generally used to refer to the covering a Muslim woman (Muslimah) adopts out of modesty when in public. It is one aspect out of a wider context of purity of thought and action for both men and women. This includes lowering one's gaze, avoiding freemixing with the opposite gender, behaving in a proper manner in necessary interactions with the opposite gender, etc. Due to differences in temperament and nature between men and women, a greater degree of privacy is required for women. Hijaab protects a Muslimah - it is not a sign of authority of man over woman, nor of subjugation or oppression. A Muslimah's standards of modesty come from God, not from man, nor from society at large, and there is inner peace that comes from that.

And Allah knows best in all matters.

:sl:
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MustafaMc
04-13-2012, 11:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
So if one grows a beard or wears hijab for the sake of Allah then he/she is far better
So, if a person wears a hijab AND grows a beard, then is he/she even better than doing either alone? (Sorry, for the humor, but I couldn't help myself.;D) BTW, I agree with what you said.
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'Abd-al Latif
04-13-2012, 11:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc
So, if a person wears a hijab AND grows a beard, then is he/she even better than doing either alone? (Sorry, for the humor, but I couldn't help myself.;D) BTW, I agree with what you said.
It's why I said if one wears hijab or [one] grows a beard. I would have thought the absence of mentioning a gender shouldn't cause this confusion.
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MustafaMc
04-13-2012, 11:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah
Muslim men and women must dress modestly. Hijaab literally means 'to cover' and is generally used to refer to the covering a Muslim woman (Muslimah) adopts out of modesty when in public. It is one aspect out of a wider context of purity of thought and action for both men and women.
Assalamu alaikum, masha'Allah, wonderfully written. I agree with what you wrote.

I am of course not a woman and I don't know the difficulty of wearing hijab in the West. I have kept a beard since early 2002 due to my desire to follow the sunnah of Muhammad and I have no intention of ever shaving it off. However, if I am coerced to do so one day (as in prison or such), I don't think I would be any less a Muslim because of it. Perhaps, a Muslimah's attire is a reflection of what is in her heart and the strength of her iman and taqwa.
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~Zaria~
04-13-2012, 07:31 PM
Assalamu-alaikum,


I am not sure why these comparisons, that are simply highlighting one aspect (of many important aspects of hijab) - has been construed so negatively.

Attachment 4779


The image is actually critical of men - by comparing them to flies (lol).......from whom woman need protection.
From the first picture, it is clear that even the candy, covered in its wrapper - may gain the attention of some flies.
i.e: the hijab is certainly a hinderance from the unwanted attention of men (hence less 'flies' around, but of course, its not a guarantee against all men).

By saying:

"You can't stop them......


is laying blame at mën - not women.


"But you can protect yourself. Your creator has your best interests at heart."

This is meant to empower women to protect themselves - by means of hijab.

And to emphasize just one of the great reasons behind Allahs command for hijab.

The picture likens woman to something sweet and pleasurable - such as candy.
The woman in hijab is still the same candy - except that she is covered up.

In other words - the non-hijaabi woman is not compared to something that is inferior or demeaning......but rather, something that is exposed and vulnerable to the evil external forces of this world.


It all depends on how one wishes to view something - is the glass half empty, or half full?

Personally, i think that women need all the encouragement we can give them, backed by good reasonings (such as above) - that insha Allah, something.....anything.....may result in a change of heart.

And sometimes, the hijab may not be adopted purely to gain the pleasure of Allah.
Sometimes - it may be adopted just because ones father/ husband has said so......or the realisation that it protects ones modesty......or the need to 'fit' into a group of other 'hijaabis'......

Whatever the initial reason to wear hijab, it is, insha Allah, a step in the right direction.


:wa:
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Cabdullahi
04-15-2012, 11:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ~Zaria~
Assalamu-alaikum,


I am not sure why these comparisons, that are simply highlighting one aspect (of many important aspects of hijab) - has been construed so negatively.

Attachment 4779


The image is actually critical of men - by comparing them to flies (lol).......from whom woman need protection.
From the first picture, it is clear that even the candy, covered in its wrapper - may gain the attention of some flies.
i.e: the hijab is certainly a hinderance from the unwanted attention of men (hence less 'flies' around, but of course, its not a guarantee against all men).

By saying:

"You can't stop them......


is laying blame at mën - not women.


"But you can protect yourself. Your creator has your best interests at heart."

This is meant to empower women to protect themselves - by means of hijab.

And to emphasize just one of the great reasons behind Allahs command for hijab.

The picture likens woman to something sweet and pleasurable - such as candy.
The woman in hijab is still the same candy - except that she is covered up.

In other words - the non-hijaabi woman is not compared to something that is inferior or demeaning......but rather, something that is exposed and vulnerable to the evil external forces of this world.


It all depends on how one wishes to view something - is the glass half empty, or half full?

Personally, i think that women need all the encouragement we can give them, backed by good reasonings (such as above) - that insha Allah, something.....anything.....may result in a change of heart.

And sometimes, the hijab may not be adopted purely to gain the pleasure of Allah.
Sometimes - it may be adopted just because ones father/ husband has said so......or the realisation that it protects ones modesty......or the need to 'fit' into a group of other 'hijaabis'......

Whatever the initial reason to wear hijab, it is, insha Allah, a step in the right direction.


:wa:
If the campaign ad above portrays men as flies...then at least I'm a free living thing with wings unlike the inanimate object that has a short shelf life....sweet now, soon to be bitter.
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MustafaMc
04-15-2012, 02:03 PM
On Friday, one of our contingent staff came to work with her hair fixed up nicely and I commented that she must be getting ready for the weekend. I told her and the other workers in the room that in Islam the hijab or scarf that women wear is for modesty and to not attract men. I also told about going to Memphis to hear American converts to Islam talk about there experiences and one of the Americans in the room asked why women had to wear the scarf that identifies them as a Muslim while the men do not. The panel answered well about the modesty and concealment aspect, but they didn't mention that it is a part of following the teachings of Islam as indicated in the Quran and hadith.
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