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03-19-2012, 09:03 PM
Assalamu Alaikum

We speak to world-renowned scholar Imran Hosein in a new, can-not-miss series of Q&A’s, exclusive to KN-OW!

In the first of our expert interviews, we caught up with Sheikh Imran to get our subscribers' questions answered. Eye-opening to say the least, this is truly profound information – ranging from finance, geopolitics and what may be in store in the immediate future!

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marwen
03-19-2012, 10:14 PM
Lot of people are watching Imran Husein lately. I find his views weird although interesting.
But to be honest, he looks to me like someone who makes simple prediction more than a scholar. May be he is a scholar, but what is published on youtube from his lectures is not ilm (scholarship) based on Quran and sunnah. He uses too much symbolism in his reasoning and uses too much imagination which makes you become reserved and cautious when you listen to his discourse.
If I watch him, it's only to learn about his personal views/predictions, but not because I believe that 100% of what he says is correct.
I know his lectures are interesting, but as muslims we should look for reliable and true information about our deen if we want to remain on the right path. Something Ilm based on Quran and hadeeth sahih with reliable explanation/interpretation is only what we can take without discussing. Anything else has to be filtred and discussed.

I'm not telling you should not view these type of videos. I'm just telling be careful.

please watch these 2 videos:

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Galaxy
03-19-2012, 10:21 PM
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Jazak Allahu khayr marwen, I thought I was the only one who thought he was off on some topics.
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Insaanah
03-20-2012, 08:50 PM
:sl:

Jazaakallah khayr brother Marwen for this much needed post.
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جوري
03-20-2012, 10:43 PM
He has some interesting views and makes a few good historical points but some of his views are far far out there, sometimes I think it is a language barrier but most of the times I feel like he's just putting his own opinion rather than facts from Quran and Sunnah which isn't good.
It does remind me of the saying of Umar Ibn Ilkhtaab (RA) ''learn Arabic for it will teach you wisdom'' I think a basic understanding of Arabic first will close so many of the gaps he creates or misunderstands ...

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MustafaMc
03-20-2012, 11:40 PM
I have watched his "Jerusalem in the Quran" and he clearly and emphatically said the punishment for adultery is 100 lashes and not stoning. I am not sure that the majority of scholars agree with this view.
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Scimitar
03-31-2012, 09:41 PM
Are you sure it was for adultery? And not fornication?

Scimi
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GuestFellow
03-31-2012, 09:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
Lot of people are watching Imran Husein lately. I find his views weird although interesting.
But to be honest, he looks to me like someone who makes simple prediction more than a scholar. May be he is a scholar, but what is published on youtube from his lectures is not ilm (scholarship) based on Quran and sunnah. He uses too much symbolism in his reasoning and uses too much imagination which makes you become reserved and cautious when you listen to his discourse.
If I watch him, it's only to learn about his personal views/predictions, but not because I believe that 100% of what he says is correct.
I know his lectures are interesting, but as muslims we should look for reliable and true information about our deen if we want to remain on the right path. Something Ilm based on Quran and hadeeth sahih with reliable explanation/interpretation is only what we can take without discussing. Anything else has to be filtred and discussed.

I'm not telling you should not view these type of videos. I'm just telling be careful.

please watch these 2 videos:

Salaam,

Woah he has a loud voice. Wish I could speak as loud as that. My voice is soft and gentle. <_<

As for Imran Hosein, his analysis of geo-politics is not to my liking. I wish he presented strong evidence to support his views.
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MustafaMc
03-31-2012, 10:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Are you sure it was for adultery? And not fornication?

Scimi
Yes, I am sure. Quoting from this link which was my reply concerning this question:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...vealed-in-2003

"I had replied last night, but it seems that it was blocked due to links in the post.

I am sorry that I can't provide the exact quote as I gave the DVD to a more learned brother for him to evaluate. In the DVD he clearly and emphatically said the punishment was the same and it disagreed with my understanding.

However, I had sent this message to another brother for his perspective: "I watched the DVD Jerusalem in the Quran and at 1:11:47 I was surprised that Imran Hosein said that the punishment of 100 lashes in Surah 24:2 applies to both adultery (married) and to fornication (unmarried). He said that Prophet Muhammad (sal alahu alayhi wa salam) did not differentiate between the 2 illegal relations.

I did a hadith search and Bukhari 82.106 references the stoning of a man who had confessed to adultery in which the man was asked if he was married. This implied to me that the punishment was different between fornication and adultery. Also Bukhari 78.629 an adulteress was stoned but the laborer who had relations with her was only lashed implying that he was unmarried.

Is the first instance a deviant ruling? The reason I ask is that I am still trying to decide if I should accept what this person says or writes as being correct."
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Scimitar
04-11-2012, 01:24 AM
Bro, now I'm just as confuddled as you are



Scimi
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Samiun
04-11-2012, 01:47 AM
:sl: before you guys start listening to Abu Mussab maybe you should take these videos into consideration. I do listen to his lecture about music and it was really good but somehow I can't really understand why he make many allegations against other muslims






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Scimitar
04-11-2012, 01:59 AM
He's a salaf, but an extreme one in his opinions of others... that's what I can gather. He says some nice things, but he's so young ... kinda hard to take seriously.

Scimi
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IslamicRevival
04-11-2012, 02:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
please watch these 2 videos:

Ive watched a few of his videos and i think he has a screw loose somewhere, he seems ever so keen to divide the Muslims with his rhetoric and has his own wacky views when it comes to issues of Deen. I personally wouldn't take advice from such people, may be a good speaker but extremely ignorant.

format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
Lot of people are watching Imran Husein lately. I find his views weird although interesting.

But to be honest, he looks to me like someone who makes simple prediction more than a scholar. May be he is a scholar, but what is published on youtube from his lectures is not ilm (scholarship) based on Quran and sunnah
Its disrespectful to question the Sheikh's credentials, He clearly uses Quran and Hadith to back up his opinions.
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TrueStranger
04-11-2012, 02:50 AM
Salaam Aliakum,

It would be much better if our Muslim leaders advised each other privately instead of telling Muslims to be aware of so and so. I watched a video that talked about Professional Jealousy, where one Shiekh/Mufti/Imam will say something about another one and the other will retaliate....I thought that was the job of layman and laywoman, and not that of our Ulama ;D

I haven't heard anything extremely negative about Imran Hosein, he just brings another perspective into the conversation. We all have the right to agree or disagree, but no need to portray him as someone that is dangerous.
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marwen
04-11-2012, 03:47 PM
Bro scimitar, I prefer not to response here for your comment about he being a salaf"i" so I did not quote it, because it needs a whole thread with a lot of time and knowledge to discuss about aqueeda salafyia, and I also avoid to classify muslims, because this takes us away from sunna.
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
He says some nice things, but he's so young ... kinda hard to take seriously.
You can't stop listening to people because they are young, if they have a point. I don't defend this "young" sheikh, but what he said is good.

format_quote Originally Posted by Vision
Ive watched a few of his videos and i think he has a screw loose somewhere, he seems ever so keen to divide the Muslims with his rhetoric and has his own wacky views when it comes to issues of Deen. I personally wouldn't take advice from such people, may be a good speaker but extremely ignorant.
to answer this quote I will let a nice brother called Vision reply :
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format_quote Originally Posted by Vision
Its disrespectful to question the Sheikh's credentials,
But I will add to his wise reply that I was not disrespecting Imran Hussein. I said may be he is a scholar, but in his discourse in the videos he is not doing the role of scholar, he is giving his own opinion (that I respect) as an ordinary muslim, but I am not to take his opinion as a determinative islamic rule or fatwa, but as another point of view. I don't think it's his intention, but unfortunately many people take his speech as a 100% truth.

format_quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger
It would be much better if our Muslim leaders advised each other privately instead of telling Muslims to be aware of so and so. I watched a video that talked about Professional Jealousy, where one Shiekh/Mufti/Imam will say something about another one and the other will retaliate....I thought that was the job of layman and laywoman, and not that of our Ulama
Sister, If you watch his videos again, he is always saying that it's wrong to speak about ulama' in public and that's what ahlu sunna wa jamaa believe. But when a muslim or a person spreads wrong and dangerous information about islam, it's obligatory for ulama' to warn people about the person, to save the majority of muslims from losing their deen. In this case it's the job of ulama'.


format_quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger
I haven't heard anything extremely negative about Imran Hosein, he just brings another perspective into the conversation. We all have the right to agree or disagree, but no need to portray him as someone that is dangerous.
format_quote Originally Posted by Vision
He clearly uses Quran and Hadith to back up his opinions.
Yes he sometimes uses Quran and Hadeeth. But he interprets them incorrectly, and without supporting his interpretation with reliable tafseer, especially for controversial hadeeth, where the meaning is not clear for everyone. Islam is not about throwing up hadeeths and verses here and there, and inserting whatever we want to say in between.
If it's ok to quote quran and hadeeth and then say what you want, then every one is a scholar.

Now I'm not preventing anyone to watch Imran Hussein, I also watch his videos to see his opinions and to know what many people watch, but I don't have to take his words literally as a true aqeeda, because that will be very dangerous, because muslim youth may get influenced by a certain sheikh and will follow all things he says withought discussing, even if it's against true aqeeda.
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Scimitar
04-11-2012, 04:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
Bro scimitar, I prefer not to response here for your comment about he being a salaf"i" so I did not quote it, because it needs a whole thread with a lot of time and knowledge to discuss about aqueeda salafyia, and I also avoid to classify muslims, because this takes us away from sunna.

You can't stop listening to people because they are young, if they have a point. I don't defend this "young" sheikh, but what he said is good.
You're right, it does need a new thread. We had a discussion on the same issue on another forum (wup) and in every aqeedah, there are moderates and extremists... this is where the trouble starts.

format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
I said may be he is a scholar, but in his discourse in the videos he is not doing the role of scholar, he is giving his own opinion (that I respect) as an ordinary muslim, but I am not to take his opinion as a determinative islamic rule or fatwa, but as another point of view. I don't think it's his intention, but unfortunately many people take his speech as a 100% truth.
He makes it very clear in his lectures that when he is providing an opinion, he wants you - the viewer - to not take what he says as the gospel truth, but to investigate what he says in order to understand the nature of his comment better... and if you arfe 100% convinced that his opinion is correct, only then, can you believe him. But he never tell you that what he says is gospel... Seems to me that the problem of beleiveing everything he says is largely to do with the audience failing to understand his intention, and not the other way around.

format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
If you watch his videos again, he is always saying that it's wrong to speak about ulama' in public and that's what ahlu sunna wa jamaa believe. But when a muslim or a person spreads wrong and dangerous information about islam, it's obligatory for ulama' to warn people about the person, to save the majority of muslims from losing their deen. In this case it's the job of ulama'.
Except, Imran Hosein is not spreading dangerous and inaccurate information around... I have to disagree with anyone who says that he is. he does propagate sensitive information, and that is to be expected given the nature of his talks. Just, people need to understand the difference here, that's what I believe.

format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
Yes he sometimes uses Quran and Hadeeth. But he interprets them incorrectly, and without supporting his interpretation with reliable tafseer, especially for controversial hadeeth, where the meaning is not clear for everyone. Islam is not about throwing up hadeeths and verses here and there, and inserting whatever we want to say in between.
Can you give me just one example? I too have some problems with some of his explanations, but like he says VERY CLEARLY, that these are his "opinions" and that we sjhouldn't take hnis word for it on blind faith, no... but to investigate the matter ourselves. And refute him in case he is wrong.

Personally, I believe he is wrong about his sun rising from the west being the rise of the USA analogy... but hey, I still think he's spot on about a lot of other things.

format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
Now I'm not preventing anyone to watch Imran Hussein, I also watch his videos to see his opinions and to know what many people watch, but I don't have to take his words literally as a true aqeeda, because that will be very dangerous, because muslim youth may get influenced by a certain sheikh and will follow all things he says withought discussing, even if it's against true aqeeda.
The Sheikh actually tell us the same thing. Not to beleive wht he says unless you have arrived at the same conclusion as himself...

...You know, Imran Hosein has never once pushed his opinion on anyone. he provided it. And with his advanced years and educational background, he's more than earnt the right to do so...

...enter young salaf shaikh, who calls out any shaikh that isn't a salaf and guess what? KABOOOM, thread goes viral. LOL. Loving that.

Scimi
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IslamicRevival
04-11-2012, 07:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen

to answer this quote I will let a nice brother called Vision reply :
I'm simply calling a spade a spade. Taking advice off someone who has a warped way of thinking and openly lambastes and ridicules other Scholars (most who are his elders!) such as the great Sheikh Hamza Yusuf (etc etc) is a no go area for me. That's not how a student, or a Scholar of Islam should address such complex issues. Disagreeing with another Scholar or school of thought is fine, but there are other ways and means going about it then openly criticizing them.

But I will add to his wise reply that I was not disrespecting Imran Hussein. I said may be he is a scholar, but in his discourse in the videos he is not doing the role of scholar, he is giving his own opinion (that I respect) as an ordinary muslim, but I am not to take his opinion as a determinative islamic rule or fatwa, but as another point of view. I don't think it's his intention, but unfortunately many people take his speech as a 100% truth.
The Sheikh has spent his entire life for this Deen, but yet again you are questioning his role as a Scholar? If that isn't disrespectful then i really don't know what is! Ive watched a lot of Sheikh Imran Hosein's lectures and he always states to his audience NOT to take his opinion as correct UNLESS they are 100% convinced!

As an admirer of the Sheikh myself, I do not agree with him on everything but his views are incredibly interesting nevertheless. We should take the good and leave the things which we deem incorrect but either way we do so with respect
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marwen
04-11-2012, 10:42 PM
^ obviously you did not read and/or understand what I posted. Anyway, my intention, like every sincere muslim here, is to warn all my fellow muslim brothers and sisters from any influence that can cast muslims away from the right manhaj (method/approach) which is based on strict adherance to Quran and sunnah, anything not related to Quran and sunnah will only cause innovations and deviation. We should care about defending our deen, more than defending any person. No matter how much we admire him.
You feel my advice unacceptable or disrespectful, then don't take it, and good luck.


Abu Hurairah (radi Allahu anhu): "The Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: 'The Jews separated into 71 sects, and the Christians into 72, and my nation will divide into 73 sects.'" [Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah]

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Seventy-two (of the 73 sects of the Muslim nation) will be in the fire, and only one will be in Paradise; it is the Jama'ah (i.e. Ahle Sunnah Wa Jamaah)." [Abi Dawud, Ad-Darimi, Ahmad]

The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- said: "I have left among you two matters by holding fast to which, you shall never be misguided: Allah's Book and the Sunna of His Prophet."[Malik in his Muwatta] Another version adds: "And these two shall never part ways until they show up at the Pond."[al-Bayhaqi in al-Madkhal]

The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- was reported to say: "Whoever hears of a hadith of mine then belies it, has belied Allah, His Prophet, and the one who brought him that hadith."[al-bukhari]
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Abz2000
04-12-2012, 06:14 AM
I also listen to the sheikhs lectures and have found him to be spot on about many things, especially in the finance field, yes he has been wrong about many things, but has been correct about more, and has opened the eyes of many, I have much love and respect for the brother.

It was after watching his lecture to bankers in Malaysia and a few other vids by non muslim and nwo americans that I began to put aside a few gold and silver coins when I could, and have watched the paper money devalue while they are holding their value.

I personally believe we should spend more time focusing our hate on the enemies of Islam raher than a brother who has dedicated his life to exposing their lies and often put himself in harm's way.
And regarding the rajm issue, yes, I have also read that umar ra clearly stated that some people may later say that rajm was not in the Book of Allah, but he made it clear that the Messenger of God did punish adulterers with It and fornicators with lashes.

Some people tend to put more weight on Quran than Hadith when here's an apparent conflict, but that is not for me to argue as my knowledge on the topic is not as rich as others, but I do believe he's wrong in his opinion on he issue.

He never says he is absolutely correct in his predictions and explains that a whole host of minds is required to come together and work out these events, but then we do seem to cheer even when a psychopathic lying murderer like tony Blair makes a one line positive mention on Islam, while wasting our time fighting those on our side for human mistakes.
I say: let he who is without flaw cast the first stone. lol

Watching this series of vids was an eye opener:
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MustafaMc
04-12-2012, 11:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
And regarding the rajm issue, yes, I have also read that umar ra clearly stated that some people may later say that rajm was not in the Book of Allah, but he made it clear that the Messenger of God did punish adulterers with It and fornicators with lashes.

Some people tend to put more weight on Quran than Hadith when here's an apparent conflict, but that is not for me to argue as my knowledge on the topic is not as rich as others, but I do believe he's wrong in his opinion on he issue.
Assalamu alaikum, thank you for your response. My source for Islamic knowledge is Quran > Hadith > Scholars. I am not among the 'Quran-only' group. I agree with what you said regarding the financial issues and what he has to say about interest and the fiat currency that has absolutely ZERO intrinsic value, nor is it associated with anything of value.
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GuestFellow
04-12-2012, 09:49 PM
Paper money is just an acceptable means of exchange. If this system fails, we will just resort to bartering.
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IslamicRevival
04-13-2012, 12:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
^ obviously you did not read and/or understand what I posted.
I'm not a rocket scientist but I understood very well thanks. Maybe try re reading your own posts again.

Anyway, my intention, like every sincere muslim here, is to warn all my fellow muslim brothers and sisters from any influence that can cast muslims away from the right manhaj (method/approach) which is based on strict adherance to Quran and sunnah, anything not related to Quran and sunnah will only cause innovations and deviation.
As the saying goes...the cats out the bag! Instead of the 'Warnings' we should concentrate on bettering ourselves rather then pointing fingers at others.

Ive listened to many speakers from different schools of thought and even though i may hold a different opinion to the speaker, believe it or not, ive actually learnt quite a lot. None of us owns this deen, we might think were on the right path but Allah is, and will be the judge of that.

We should care about defending our deen, more than defending any person. No matter how much we admire him.
Abu Hurairah (radi Allahu anhu): "The Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: 'The Jews separated into 71 sects, and the Christians into 72, and my nation will divide into 73 sects.'" [Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah]
Yes, we can defend our deen by uniting as one Ummah, rather then tearing it apart with petty squabbling and 'warning' people off from listening to a particular Scholar or Speaker.
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