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patientgrace
06-24-2012, 04:47 PM
Please forgive me if my question is not appropriate, against rules and regulations, or in the wrong location, I am new here.

I am just curious to know if there are any divorced Muslims/Islams on the forum?

1.) What are the Islamic laws regarding divorce (in today's society), I am only familiar with the bibles laws and even they are interpreted differently in today's society.

2.) How do the Islamic laws regarding divorce compare/contrast to the Bible's laws of divorce?
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
06-25-2012, 03:17 AM
Asalaam Aleikum,

Welcome to the forums!

Could you be a bit more specific with your question? Or would u prefer a more general answer? Is there a specific situation that you would like to clarify?

Hope we can be of some help :)

- cOsMiC
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ardianto
06-25-2012, 03:54 AM
Sister patientgrace asks about law of divorce in Islam. It's means she want to know about rules like talaq, or idah, that are in sharia field. I am not capable to answer this question.

Maybe akhee Hamza Asadullah or akhee Abd-Al Latif ?
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Muhaba
06-25-2012, 11:02 AM
In Islam, a man divorces his wife by saying the word "Talaq" once. there are restrictions to when he can pronounce Talaq. It shouldn't be pronounced during the menstrual period but after the period ends & he hasn't touched her again or after he knows that she is pregnant.

when she is divorced, she remains in the same house for three months. If she is pregnant, then until the end of the pregnancy. During this time, the husband can take her back.

If he doesn't take her back, when her waiting period (known as Iddah) ends, she is divorced from him. If he does take her back, she remains his wife. A man can divorce his wife three times like this. after the third divorce, she is irrevoqably divorced and she cannot remarry him unless she marries another man and then he divorces her.

If her waiting period ended after the first or second divorce, she is no longer his wife but can remarry him.

During the waiting period, the husband is responsible for her expenses according to his status. after the waiting period he is responsible for child support and he must pay her too if she is breastfeeding his child.

When theman divorces her, he cannot take back anything he gave her such as dowry, gifts etc. and he must get two witnesses who witness that they are divorced. they should also have a written signed statement for proof that he divorced her to avoid problems later.


A woman can get divorce by returning the dowry (mahr) (which the man had given her at the time of marriage). Usually she goes to court to ask for divorce and the court tells the husband to divorce her. nowadays, some courts compel the woman not to seek divorce etc but this wasn't done at the time of the Prophet (SAW). The woman can also directly ask the husband to divorce her and return the mahr (dowry) to him. when the woman asks for divorce, it is called khula.

If your country requires a court divorce certificate, then it's important to get one to avoid problems later.
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Hamza Asadullah
06-25-2012, 01:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by patientgrace
Please forgive me if my question is not appropriate, against rules and regulations, or in the wrong location, I am new here.

I am just curious to know if there are any divorced Muslims/Islams on the forum?

1.) What are the Islamic laws regarding divorce (in today's society), I am only familiar with the bibles laws and even they are interpreted differently in today's society.

2.) How do the Islamic laws regarding divorce compare/contrast to the Bible's laws of divorce?

Greetings patientgrace,


The following should answer your question regarding the Islamic perspective of divorce:


Divorce is something that is permissible in Islam but used as a last resort. As such, a couple deciding to end a marriage must really think deep and hard before going ahead with the divorce.


In the brother's case, he should first sit down and discuss matters with his wife, other family members (from both sides) and a local scholar of knowledge and piety. Explain the problem to him and seek his advice. (Meaning everything should be tried before seeking divorce, thus divorce should be last option when everything else has been exhausted)


Allah Most High says:


"If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers; if they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation: For Allah has full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things." (Surah al-Nisa, V. 35)


If it is thought that there is no way in making the marriage work, then the brother should explain this to his parents in a gentle and polite manner, using allot of wisdom. The mediation of a local scholar, whom the parents also respect, may well make maters easy in explaining to the parents.


The parents may be explained that divorce is not something that is unlawful. At times, people don't get on well with one another, thus there is no option but divorce. Even some of the Prophets (Peace and blessings be upon them) divorced their wives. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also contemplated divorcing all his wives, thus gave them an option to remain with him or otherwise.


Thus, despite being a last resort, divorce is not unlawful and should not bring about disrespect and humiliation to the family. Unfortunately, many Muslim societies regard divorce as an evil and sin, which is completely untrue.


The consequence of this is manifested in the fact that due to divorce being considered an evil and an act of sin, it is presumed that there has to be one guilty party, thus both parties start to point fingers at one another and become enemies for life.


The perception of Islam is quite the opposite. Divorce does not mean that there has to be one guilty party, rather it occurred because of the couple not being able to get on with another, which can be quite normal.


This is the reason why at times we see that two of the best people (in their piety, manners and characteristics) could not save their marriage. Many people start to wonder, how their marriage failed, but with the above explanation it becomes clear that, divorce does not mean that one of the spouses was evil or bad.


Islam commands the husband to give his wife a small gift (known as Mut'a) at the time of divorce, as to avoid any hard feelings.

Allah Most High says:


"For divorced women, maintenance (mut'a) (should be provided) on a reasonable (scale). This is a duty on the righteous." [/COLOR](Surah al-Baqarah, v. 241)


The meaning of maintenance (mut'a), according to the Hanafi jurists is a small gift consisting of cloths, blanket, etc. (See: al-Ikhtiyar li Ta'lil al-Mukhtar, 2/127)


Thus, Islam orders the husband to release his wife in a polite manner without having any grudges due to the failure of marriage. The same command is given to the woman, in that she should not blame her former husband on the breakdown of her marriage.


Despite this, the unfortunate situation in most Muslim societies is that when divorce takes place, not only do the man and woman have grudges with one another but the whole family and other relatives are involved and become lifelong enemies. The woman's family use the children as a means to make the man suffer. This, along with being a major sin, is totally inhumane and unacceptable.


Well, coming back to your questions, the brother concerned does not have to divorce his wife if she demands it, as divorcing is the exclusive right of the husband, for which there are many wisdoms that have been explained in an earlier post.


However, if there is allot of hatred between the spouses and there is no real life in the marriage, and all efforts in saving the marriage have failed, then the husband should divorce his wife.


In the situation where the brother does not divorce his wife, his responsibilities will be no different from any other husband. However, if he does decide to divorce his wife, he will have to maintain her financially throughout her waiting period (iddah), which is three menstrual cycles. His will have to support his male children until they reach puberty and female children until they marry.


Regarding the difference between khula and divorce:


The only difference between divorce and Khul' is that a divorce is given by the man without demanding a financial payment form the wife, where as in khul', the wife receives the divorce in return for a financial payment. This is usually in a situation where the husband in unwilling to give the divorce and the wife persuades him to issue the divorce in return of this payment.

It should be remembered that a Khul' can not come into effect without the consent and agreement of the husband. The wife can persuade him to enter into the agreement of Khul' but not enforce it upon him. For more details see the recent post on Khul' on the Hanafi forum.

With regards to stipulating a right of divorce for the wife in the case where the husband fails to fulfill a certain promise or condition, this is permissible and known in the fiqh terminology as Tafweed.

If this tafweed takes place at the time of contracting the marriage, meaning the wife stipulates the condition, and demands the right to divorce herself in the case of non-fulfillment, it will be valid, provided one condition is met, which is that the offer of marriage is initiated by the woman coupled with the demand for Tafweed, and the man accepts this. If the opposite takes place, it will be void.

(See: Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar, 2/285 & Bahr al-Ra'iq, 3/318).

So the statement of the woman would be as follows: "I give my self to you in wedlock on the condition that you do not marry again and if you do then I have a right to divorce my self" and the husband says: "I accept you in my marriage in agreement with the condition stipulated".

In this way, if the husband was to marry again, the wife would have the right to divorce herself. (For more details, see a previous post on 'placing conditions in a marriage contract'.


Referance: Sunnipath


Many other issues of divorce in Islam answered:


http://spa.qibla.com/browse.asp?ToDo...id=12&catId=11


Regarding the differences between divorce in the Bible and in Islam then it rerally depends on which denomination you are referring to as many of the fundamental concepts of many matters pertaining to scripture vary within each denomination.
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patientgrace
06-25-2012, 02:43 PM
Thank you all for your feedback! You all answered my questions directly and thoroughly! I apologize if my questions were not very direct :)
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Zabel
06-26-2012, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by WRITER
A woman can get divorce by returning the dowry (mahr) (which the man had given her at the time of marriage). Usually she goes to court to ask for divorce and the court tells the husband to divorce her. nowadays, some courts compel the woman not to seek divorce etc but this wasn't done at the time of the Prophet (SAW). The woman can also directly ask the husband to divorce her and return the mahr (dowry) to him. when the woman asks for divorce, it is called khula.
This is probably pretty rare, but suppose a woman is unable to return the dowry but staying with her husband means that she gets abused/beaten/raped, somehow seriously endangering her well-being, or her husband is repeatedly and shamelessly sleeping with other women, etc. What does she do?
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ardianto
06-27-2012, 02:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zabel
This is probably pretty rare, but suppose a woman is unable to return the dowry but staying with her husband means that she gets abused/beaten/raped, somehow seriously endangering her well-being, or her husband is repeatedly and shamelessly sleeping with other women, etc. What does she do?
The fair judge who always hold the justice will be able to make fair decision, maybe with liberate the woman from obligation to payback the mahr. maybe with other ways.


If the judge is unfair?. Scholar said, the place for unfair judges is in the hell.
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cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn
06-27-2012, 05:14 PM
The mahr (dowry) is something that is paid by the man to his wife. It is paid to the wife and to her only as an honor and a respect given to her and to show that he has a serious desire to marry her and is not simply entering into the marriage contract without any sense of responsibility and obligation or effort on his part.http://www.java-man.com/pages/marriage/marriage06.html
As far as I know, the Mahr (dowry) is the right of a woman when entering a marriage. The man cannot ask for it back, as it is a means of security for her. A woman cannot be held in a marriage because she "owes" something, especially not if there is in justice going on. It is her right to have a dowry upon entering marriage, it is a gift for her to keep, not something borrowed.

I asked Ibn 'Umar about those who were involved in a case of Lien. He said, "The Prophet said to those who were involved in a case of Lien, 'Your accounts are with Allah. One of you two is a liar, and you (the husband) have no right over her (she is divorced)." The man said, 'What about my property (Mahr) ?' The Prophet said, 'You have no right to get back your property. If you have told the truth about her then your property was for the consummation of your marriage with her; and if you told a lie about her, then you are less rightful to get your property back.' " Sufyan, a sub-narrator said: I learned the Hadith from 'Amr. Narrated Aiyub: I heard Sa'id bin Jubair saying, "I asked Ibn 'Umar, 'If a man (accuses his wife for an illegal sexual intercourse and) carries out the process of Lian (what will happen)?' Ibn 'Umar set two of his fingers apart. (Sufyan set his index finger and middle finger apart.) Ibn 'Umar said, 'The Prophet separated the couple of Bani Al-Ajlan by divorce and said thrice, "Allah knows that one of you two is a liar; so will one of you repent (to Allah)?' "
Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 63, Number 232
Allahu Alim

- cOsMiC
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muhammad0315
07-11-2012, 12:48 AM
What if the girl wants a divorce but the man dosnt want a divorce?
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dqsunday
07-11-2012, 04:05 AM
The way I understand it, it really doesn't matter if both partners want a divorce. If one does, then he/she can request one. Efforts should be done to see if it can be worked out, but if not, then same rules apply as mentioned above.
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ardianto
07-11-2012, 04:15 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by muhammad0315
What if the girl wants a divorce but the man dosnt want a divorce?
The wife can go to sharia court. Judge in sharia court can divorce her from her husband. Of course, after trial process.


Note: this is sharia rule in Indonesia. In other places may be different.
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Futuwwa
10-28-2012, 02:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zabel
This is probably pretty rare, but suppose a woman is unable to return the dowry but staying with her husband means that she gets abused/beaten/raped, somehow seriously endangering her well-being, or her husband is repeatedly and shamelessly sleeping with other women, etc. What does she do?
It is largely a matter of consensus that if the wife requests a divorce due to actual misconduct on the part of the husband, she will not be required to return the dowry. Returning of the dowry only applies for a no-fault divorce.
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rose88
11-17-2012, 07:48 PM
Some of you are very knowledgable on here.

What happens with regards to custody of the children? If the dowry is returned must the husband also accept or wouldhe have no choice in the matter?
What are the options if the husband refuses to get divorced? Specifically the husband in this case is Muslim by birth but does not practice, only follows things which benefit him to follow and the rest ignores. Also specifically he has divorced the woman twice already and a third time he will not beable to get her back, he has been abusive physically and emotionally, forced abortions and punches to the face among other things. Refuses to give a divorce, would allow it if she gives him all the money and the house and the kids otherwise nothing. The Sheikh in this case did not grant a divorce but made them get back together to try and "work it out" but she knows it cant work out, she feels dead inside. The children in this case are 2 and 4 years old.

Salam
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